J.S. Bach - Psalm 51, BWV 1083 "Tilge, Höchster, meine Sünden" (from Pergolesi's work)

[@P1B1U1H1]

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[@adolflazary5864]

Es así amigo

[@arichis]

This is taken note for note from Giovanni Battista Pergolesi's "Stabat Mater". (Nothing new as Bach did this with Vivaldi as well). Bach greatly admired Pergolesi's woks and was influenced by him.

[@robertferrieux9179]

Nancy Argenta , bravo. Hiératique Guillemette Laurens, tant de chaleur retenue et de ferveur canalisée. Merci de nous donner tant de bonheur.

[@stargirlsusan]

The music is so fantastic, Bach was a real genius who knew when a piece was brilliant! I like this one just like he did. The lyrics give a deep meaning in to it too, Thnx for uploading

[@thomasduval7019]

This is not a piece of Bach...it's the Pergolesi's Stabat mater

[@emmanueldeleon3074]

They coined the term "borrowing" in the Baroque period. Both J.S. Bach and Handel borrowed materials from other composers and from themselves!

[@saturne46]

Merveilleuse interprétation de Guillemette Laurens et Nancy Argenta. Parmi les meilleures que je connaisse de cet air. Bravo

[@Caeliusrufus]

@Galantski It’s wrong to say that Bach stole this. Clearly Bach was immensely impressed by the work (who wouldn't be) and arranged it to fit the Lutheran context. Don't forget Pergolesi's Stabat Mater was the most widely printed music in the 18th century and became legendary almost from the moment of his early death and reams of composers copied it, arranged it, and imitated it (up to the present century). So everyone would have known it was essentially Pergolesi's. It was a common practice.

[@P1B1U1H1]

@jessgirard This is in my opinion the best performance, Latin or German. Nancy Argenta & Guillemette Laurens are exquisite, singing here better than any of their other performances, many of which are magnificent.

[@anordinaryshaman]

It is a great gift that Johann Sebastian Bach lived so long and worked so hard. We came perilously close to losing much of his music. Thanks to the research of Felix Mendlessohn-Bartholdy we have so much of his music was rescued from dark cupboards in forgotten rooms in dank churches. Fortunately Giovanni Battista Pergolesi, who managed to get Stabat Mater down on paper just before he died of TB aged only 26. What might he have gone on to produce?

[@leodepuydt308]

Bach was a genius. But if one listened to all of Pergolesi, one would hear that his musicality was transcendental, off the charts. Relatively speaking, he produced as much as Bach if not more in his five or six years, again, relatively speaking. Personal opinion: There was never anyone like Pergolesi and there will never be again. Leo Depuydt

[@lacrthxx14]

This is just amazing, Bach was Lutheran and Pergolesi Catholic but despite the religion, Bach recognise the great quality and beauty of Pergolesi's work that he even inserted a entire piece of The Stabat Mater in one of his Works. Truly remarkable.

[@juandediosjosesaavedra6094]

Protestant german and english composers adopted whithout problem most of their music genres from catholc Italia: cantata, oratorio... Bach himself composed some music for catholic churches, like his magnificent Magnificat. Musiciens have been oechumenical before oechumenism appeared in our times

[@jonathanvalk726]

@@juandediosjosesaavedra6094 Bach didn't compose magnificat for the catholic church, but since there was some ancient literature in the catholic church that the Lutheran church and Luther himself didn't have a problem with, they performed some of these pieces. For example: Bach would never compose a litany of the saints, but he would compose magnificat (a literal part of the Bible). This explains also this work very well. In stabat mater the non-biblical thoughts about Mary are apparant. This was clear for Bach. he liked however the music so much that he searched for a more biblical (exactly biblical) application, and this was psalm 51.

[@juandediosjosesaavedra6094]

@@jonathanvalk726 I did not say that Bach composed its Magnificat for the Catholic Church, but for a catholic church, which commanded it to him (I read so). Otherwise he would have composed its Magnificat in german and not in latin, which was at the time the liturgical language of the Latin Catholic Church. And the Stabat Mater Hymn just developes the very biblical theme of Mary's sufferings by the Cross, with some influences from the Book of Lamentations: "And a sword will pierce your own heart too", Lc 2, 35-

[@jonathanvalk726]

@@juandediosjosesaavedra6094 All the lutheran church oppose was unbliblical doctrines. Magnificat is a literal part of the bible. Luther wanted the german people to understand so mostly singing was in german. However at some occasions they still used latin in the lutheran church. Magnificat was composed for the lutheran church of Leipzig (look at history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificat_(Bach)) Bach never ever used a text that was against his christian/reformed/lutheran belief. from verse 9 of Stabat Mater, Maria is called upon. Protestants don't belief this to be right. The bible NEVER tells to call to late people, and there are no examples in the Bible of believing people doing this. They only prayed and called to God! Only Jesus was human without sins. He was God and men. Stabat mater was against protestant doctrine and belief, and therefore Bach replaced the text.

[@adolflazary5864]

Dale con sus religiones . Esto es música y es divina más allá de dogmas y fanatismos. Saludos

[@brickxmw]

Two rivers take you home: One flows with bitter tears of remorse, the other with sweet tears of joy. For most of time, the principal path of travel was the bitter one. Only once soaked in those bitter waters could you rise to embrace your G‑d with joy. But now we have experienced more than our fill of pain. That which our people suffered in lands across the ocean has purged every stain, bleached every garment of our souls, refined us and lifted us high. We have cried enough bitter tears. Now is time to return with joy.

[@MrFpam]

It is an exaggeration to say that 19th century writers considered Telemann to be a hack, and he was certainly not despised. Rather he was largely forgotten due to the emphasis on Bach and Handel. The revival of interest in his music started in Germany in the 1920s and has grown and spread ever since. The attitude towards him was similar to that towards Vivaldi (someone once said Vivaldi wrote the same piece 400 times) . It was then reappraised and both are now highly respected composers.

[@stargirlsusan]

@protestant7 you must have a good ear, because after hearing this marvelous piece i went to listen to Pergolesi and notice no difference.

[@yourforte]

This music is beautiful.

[@rynaldo55]

...göttlich, divin, divino!

[@caquerio]

This is from my favourite Stabat Mater (Pergolesi) and is sung by my favourite soprano singer (Nancy Argenta). Thanks for posting it.

[@l000kin]

Wunderbar, wunderschön! :-) Interesting, that Bach appreciated this Pergolesi music so much, that he used it. And I must appreciate this great recording, with such plane exact voices. It is really hard to find Pergolesi Stabat Mater without awful vibrating opera-singers...

[@pablorosujovsky81]

Sublime

[@browilliams]

Magnificent

[@elmer2flp]

Awesome!

[@coyote20010]

The lyrics are from the Bible, but the music, obviously, was by Pergolesi. Bach appreciated Pergolesi works. Beautiful.

[@mauriciocotapos313]

Excelente….👏👏👏👏👏

[@odettefrancois6566]

Bach es el padre de la música , sus obras sublimes llegan al alma, saludos desde Chile 🎼🎶

[@ThomasWiemer]

Muy agradecido por este exquisito manjar.

[@MrFpam]

I have never heard that "Bach fanatics" or anyone else despised Telemann. He was a friend of Bach and Handel, who both admired him greatly and he was godfather to Bach's son Carl Philipp Emanuel, who succeeded him in Hamburg. Perhaps you are confusing it with Vivaldi, who was beliittled by many until it was discovered that some very attractive concertos by Bach were arrangements of Vivaldi. This discovery led to a reappraisal of Vivaldi, and the discovery of many more fine works.

[@Tomsfilipsons]

You can find the information you seek in Telemann's Wikipedia article, impatient one. Look under "Legacy". I think it wasn't that Bach ARRANGED a Telemann concerto, it was simply a Telemann concerto that was thought to be by Bach.

[@baroquegeek]

I was taught that during those times it was an honor to "borrowed" music from another. It was common practice and most of everyone did it. Handel and Vivaldi are among others that practiced this. It is an unfair statement to say that he was unoriginal/overrated. Needless to say Bach was a master in his own right. He is a genius at Fugues and has the tightest woven Counterpoint compared to any other of his contemporaries.

[@jessgirard]

@stargirlsusan I absolutely agree with @protestant7. I cannot hear a whit of difference. It's almost impossible to decode the words aside from being able to hear that the Bach arrangement is in German, but the phrasing, melody lines, harmonies, etc. all seem identical. This has been my favorite piece of vocal music for around 50 years now, and frankly whoever arranges and performs it, it's "good by me"! It's certainly in "Gift from God" territory!

[@Tomsfilipsons]

Btw, that was Stravinsky who is functioning as a "someone" in a parenthesis in your comment :) He was just an endless source of conceited opinions, old Igor ("music is powerless to express anything"!) All of this doesn't change the fact that there was a respected 19th century writer on Bach who was snubbing Telemann constantly until he found out that a concerto of Bach's was actually by Telemann. Maybe an isolated fact, I grant you, but a fact still.

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[@LorenzTrevvv]

This is amazing...I never knew that Bach had his own version of the first movement of Pergolesi's 'Stabat Mater'(well, different words:-)) thankyou:-))))

[@stargirlsusan]

@jessgirard you got that right.

[@Tomsfilipsons]

Well I have heard of that. Late 19th century writers considered Telemann to be a hack. (You can look that up in Google Books somewhere, don't remember where) Obviously Bach admired Telemann, Vivaldi and Pergolesi (and probably Scarlatti) because Bach was a great man with a profound understanding of music. Unlike critics from the 19th century who considered Bach to be the greatest composer ever with Gounod a close second (yes, that actually happened).

[@Tomsfilipsons]

Wasn't there also the issue with the one of Bach concertos that Bach fanatics (who universally despised another German composer called Telemann) praised as one of Bach's great compositions for a hundred years until they discovered that it was actually by another German composer called Telemann? Had not history preserved Pergolesi's original work we would surely now consider this another proof of Bach's limitless genius.

[@lejayarielle3877]

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[@Nazartan1]

Thank you ! :o)

[@MrFpam]

That comment has been attributed to a number of people. I am not sure that it was Stravinsky, but that doesn't matter. Who was the respected 19th century writer. I haven't heard of him and you don';t seem to know. You are almost certainly confusing it with the Vivaldi situation I mentioned earlier. I have never heard of a Telemann concerto which was thought to be by Bach. Bach arranged a number of concertos by Italian baroque composers, but as far as I know, none by Telemann. Why would he?

[@codonauta]

Did J S bach rework in that Pergolesi's composition? I didn't know that.

[@3NUNS]

@P1B1U1H1 : Ja !

[@stargirlsusan]

by the way does anyone know the exact translations of this lyrics? i know they are from psalm 54 but, that is a long psalm and im just wondering what verses he used?

[@upinvermont3064]

I've read elsewhere that while Bach greatly admired Pergolesi's Stabat Mater, he created the parody, partly to demonstrate to students that the newer style of music could still benefit from the "learnèd style". He filled out the harmonies while deliberately preserving the tenor of Pergolesi's original. To that extent, I think the comments here risk missing the point of Bach's parody. Bach's effort very much reminds me of Mozart's rewrites of Handel. They were for different reasons, but the end result is strikingly similar. Harmonies are filled out, enriched, thematic ideas expanded. Almost two hundred years later other composers would be enriching Bach's music with their own harmonic pallet. Think of Rachmaninoff's transcriptions of the violin Partitas for keyboard.

[@violettavalery857]

Bach che trascrive Pergolesi. In musica Martin Lutero non è mai esistito. Almeno in questo aggiungo io.

[@bch1729]

Non capisco la Sua affermazione che Martin Lutero non sia mai esistito in musica. Potrebbe chiarirmi la Sua opinione?

[@Galantski]

If Bach made mention of Pergolesi on the title page, then it's an homage; if he made no mention, but rather boldly put his own name forth as "composer', then he was a thief. And, please, don't anyone try the excuse it was to make Pergolesi "better known", because at then the Italian opera composer was 100 times more famous in Europe than the German kapellmeister. Not only is Pergolesi's better because it's his original work, but because it was written from his heart just days before his death.

[@juandediosjosesaavedra6094]

i don't know exactly if ever Bach made mention of being based on Pergolesi, but if he didn't, that did not mean that he was stealing from him. Some musical pieces were pretty well known at that time. Everybody then knew that that melody was from Pergolesi's Stabat Mater, Bach didn't need to specify such a thing.

[@MrFpam]

You call me impatient, and perhaps I am in that I don't suffer fools gladly. Wikipaedia is nort exactly a reliable source of information and currently one of our government ministers is being mocked for quoting it as a source. However, the article makes the point (as I did) that Telemann was criticized for being a "Vielschreiber", i.e being too prolific. It was his cantatas, not concertos, which were mistaken for Bach, which is not surprising as they are similar in style.

[@Tomsfilipsons]

Hey, I just noticed that I apparently got involved in one of those things you always see under a youtube video, some two guys arguing on and on about some irrelevant topic. Cool! I didn't mean to call you impatient, it was just a turn of phrase from Star wars or something. And yes, the work in question was a cantata, specifically Ich weiß, dass mein Erlöser lebt (BWV 160), formerly attributed to Bach, actually by Telemann. Originally praised by Spitta, who hated Telemann, which is FUNNY.

[@adolflazary5864]

Es muy común tomar una música conocida y cambiarle la " letra"

[@ArtemisSpira]

@roquefort88888 And I think if Bach had the chance to hear this wonderfull music on radio, tv or cd he didn`t need to tranpone it...

[@joewarren8567]

From God to us, via Bach

[@seanscott2063]

This is a good version and less faltering and insipid than other versions I've heard, but not as crisp and sublime (like a good German white wine) as conducted by Christophe Rousset, and sung by Vivica Genaux (I believe the finest mezzo-soprano of her generation) and Sabina Puertolas. Bach was estabished long before Pergolesi (being born 25 years earlier and out living Giovanni by a further 14 years) The younger student would have learnt much from the elder - however , Johann rightfuly plays homage to the youngers' finest work.

[@adolflazary5864]

Cuántos desatinos jajaja

[@Tomsfilipsons]

You're not a German speaker by any chance? Because the German Wikipedia article on Telemann has more extensive discussion of all of this: under "Systematische Diffamierung", it quotes Riemann, Schweitzer, Spitta, with comments ranging from "composer only by profession", "flat", "dry", etc. Those three are just about the most famous musicologists of the 19th century. Of course, maybe the evil Wikipedia is just making all of this up.

[@dominoconnery3507]

Corsica!1! couchon' Avi

[@xavi2625]

El original fue de Alessandro Scarlatti, encomendaron a Pergolesi una versión más moderna de Stabat Mater. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKDNgXaDiNN0nrs

[@adolflazary5864]

Y aquí los protestantes con sus traumas de pecados y culpas. Salute

[@stellario82]

Not "from Pergolesi's Stabat Mater", this is Pergolesi's Stabat Mater, only the words are different.

[@이선규-t5q]

페르골레지의 "stabat mater" 와 비교감상......(^^)

[@Eyelash85]

This is Pergolesi. But beautiful anyway.

[@GBADCD]

Music much more richer than Pergolesi's original.

[@Roncagliolo]

Ta cagao abba

[@adolflazary5864]

Porque asombroso? Ah por los fanatismos religiosos. Bueno.

[@pascalebertier1653]

This is a catholic piece, Sir 🤭😉

[@giorgiolamborghini813]

Non male, ma accenti degli archi troppo marcati che a me personalmente disturbano.

[@sebastianbach3397]

I wish Bach had "stolen" more music. LOL.

[@mflonflon]

Effortless.