The Quest That Nearly Ruined Fallout 4

[@ItsJabo]

TWOTTER - @its_jabo NexusMods User RedxYeti made a mod to change the MOF quest and make it better (along with hiding the 10mm pistol) - www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/57785

[@Chuked]

My advice: just play survival and everything is a fight for survival, ammunition weighs, disease, sleep to save, hunger, thirst when you take a stimpak, the PA slows you down and it really doesn’t help! Also the minigun ammo would be wayyy to heavy early on to be viable.. Survival is always the way to go for me

[@CentreMetre]

@@Chuked ive been playing survivbal recently, and ive found that the power armour just doesnt help really. i got ganged up on 2 feral ghouls when helping danse, and died. killed by a frag mine when at least 3 metres away with all peices on. Has the power armour been like this for you (if you have played survival).

[@Chuked]

@@CentreMetre dude, i only play survival and my entire comment aluded to the fact i only do.. i never touch the base modes because they are boring and i hate fast travel on open world survival games

[@shawnbarton3670]

@@Chuked I too only play on survival+ 58 mods and agree i always leave the minigun and power armor on the ground as soon as the deathclaw dies, but this video is meant for the majority of players and what he says is true on normal difficulty having a minigun right away with power armor does make the game dumb until they run out.

[@Chuked]

@@shawnbarton3670 literally can’t bring myself to play on normal

[@dakman12]

What’s hilarious is that Fallout 4 was my first Fallout game. After getting the armor and mini gun, I stored them both at the red rocket gas station we find dog meat at, and I never used them the rest of the game

[@jeangranolax6024]

It was the same for me

[@Jokertron3000]

I scrapped the minigun right away

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

wait dog meat is in fallout 4? they really did have 0 original ideas.

[@TocoOW]

You clearly never played fallout 4 so how would you know if they had 0 original ideas or not

[@hengineer]

Mini gun is nerfed. Power arm got left behind mainly because of the lack of power cores

[@pmchad]

i love how in new vegas, the difficulty doesn't gradually increase based on where you are, it just throws 23 cazadores at you wherever

[@slayallrebels5996]

Specifically, the cazadors are New Vegas' way of making sure you go where the game wants you to go.

[@Adierit]

yeah, older RPG's always had that funny charm of new player spawning in and getting massacred by things way higher level then you. sort of like in skyrim how you can bump into a giant right off the bat and get your ass flung to the moon

[@Prootgen]

Hey what’s that in the distance Looks like a weird bloatfly… why is it moving so fast, now there’s three of them huh they are bigger than I thoug-WHAT THE

[@yugitrump435]

The only thing in the game that can kill you (without accident) regardless of your level.

[@ryanoutram7059]

It absolutely does though, that's how the game directs you on the path it wants you to take.

[@Wyrmknave]

"You're not supposed to take this behemoth on single-handedly. This is a team battle and it takes a lot to even come off on even odds" [footage shows the behemoth being almost one-shot by the player, then dying within seconds of appearing]

[@jacksongrantham4848]

Well yeah, you are given a Fat Man to take care of the behemoth, but at that point in time you're likely to be both low level and have weak armor, so you need to rely on actually aiming the thing and getting a shot off before the Behemoth gets too close for the Fat Man's explosion to kill you too. Maybe they should only give two or three mini nukes to try and take it down, that way you can actually kill the thing, but if you waste your shots you now have an expensive paperweight once you finish the mutant off.

[@dankhill7917]

Yeah but he likely had the difficulty on very easy.

[@bigfudge2031]

even so, the Fatman isn't something you can really use for 95% of the game, between the rare/expensive ammo or the sheer overkill of using it in most scenarios, it isn't something that will make the game trivial because it isn't viable for general use.

[@jacksongrantham4848]

@@bigfudge2031 Exactly, I never used the Fat Man unless I was behemoth hunting, it was the most reliable thing and it felt worth it to use against such a powerful enemy type, also good for the occasional Albino Radscorpion or Feral Ghoul Reaver horde

[@Nyghtking]

@@bigfudge2031 Yeah and besides that, the fatman has incredibly limited ammo and uses, sure it can essentially be used to trivialize certain fights but it's a huge clunky weapon thats taking up a large percent of your inventory weight and you won't even be using it for most of the game if you take it with you at all since if an enemy gets too close you can't fire the fatman at all or it will kill you. By the time you fight the behemoth you'll have maybe 3 mininukes maximum, and it takes about 2 shots to kill it, if you want more ammo you'll need to go out of your way to find more since I don't think vendors sell fatman shells, and if they do it's incredibly rare.

[@Testsubject276]

I remember seeing a mod where this quest is modified so that the moment you kill the deathclaw, the armor tells you that the fusion core ejector is malfunctioning and to get out immediately. Yeah, it explodes. This way, the quest power armor functions like a free trial and if you want to feel that rush again, you gotta go out and find a suit out in the wild.

[@Irokaj-backwards]

There is one west of the place where u find the necklace for the farmer family, you can get it without fighting anything

[@why6212]

The same should be done with the minigun, the one you pull off the vertibird should be slightly different than normal, with light vertibird ammo that you can't find in the game. Then they could have made the regular minigun hit harder.

[@costyn1717]

There's a full set somewhere north of sanctuary. If you want to earn it before using it, you can just store it in sanctuary until you feel like you earned using power armor. My first set is still on display with minuteman paint on it, I'll use that one when I'll take back the castle. About 20h in, I still haven't used power armors more than just bringing them back to sanctuary. But I'm doing things a bit different, I have specific quests and areas I use the power armor for better immersion.

[@kujikawathemeekmage3640]

@@why6212the minigun isn’t even that good

[@why6212]

@@kujikawathemeekmage3640 neat. You understood none of the conversation and then decided to comment something we all know already

[@Jakob781]

I Always felt like it was to OP, to get the power armor and minigun that early. But because i mostly play sneak/vats build i rarely use both of those items. Usually i just drop both of at Sanctuary and never use them again haha, but that's just my way of playing.

[@koy_medina32]

I always either do a melee or guns blazing type where my guy is so good at guns that by level 4 I have at least one point in rifle man commando the pistol one that gives more damage with pistols and heavy gunner

[@xanderwilliams4045]

Same bro

[@WeedGrandma]

Same. Do you play Skyrim that way? Sneak Archer is the way to go

[@Snyphurr.]

I've done a power armor/heavy weapons build once, shit gets out of control reallly fast if you go for the power armor modifications early.

[@hankscorpion]

that minigun sucks lol...also you don't have to go there right away....

[@strawberrycollector]

The thing that I hate most about this quest is that I know why it was designed this way: marketing. This encounter happening within the first few hours of the game seems like it was intended to give reviewers and influencers something awesome to talk about because that sells more units than a well-paced progression and difficulty curve.

[@InsulindianPhasmid2214]

really seems like they put a lot of work in the first two hours of gameplay (like up to going to diamond city, because pipsr has those fancy animations and shit) and then just dropped the ball. the only really "amazing" scripted things i can remember are the rebirth of liberty prime and blowing up the prydwen

[@tuxxyy1]

I always assumed that opening bit was the Demo for investors, etc.

[@goodenoughright5433]

I read all of that in Easy Pete's voice

[@FuzzyFiend]

In some way it reminds me a bit of the Megaton quest in Fallout 3. I still remember being pretty annoyed at all the reviews talking about how cool it was that you had the option to just blow up the whole starting town and how the game gave you all these great opportunities to massively change the world you're playing in. What most reviewers missed was that blowing up Megaton is easily the biggest world-changing option the player has and it's all mostly down-hill from there as far as choices and consequences are concerned.

[@strawberrycollector]

@@FuzzyFiend Very true. I missed the Fallout 3 hype cycle, only really tried it because I heard a video game 12 Days of Christmas parody. The partridge in a pear tree line was replaced with "a picture of me holding Fallout 3."

[@CavemanDan54]

Instead of a Death claw, the boss of the mission should have been a raider IN power armor. That way you could be introduced to the armor but not obtain it, giving you something to look forward to.

[@COMMANDandConquer199]

That's the best alternative I've seen. Not only does it introduce the new power armor, but it's the lowest level set, and doesn't make YOU overpowered early.

[@superdave8248]

I've played every Fallout Game that has ever come out for PC. And in this mission I was like WTF? A Deathclaw this early? Some players might not even have one hour in the game. Because the game tricks you. It wants you to waste your ammo for the minigun on the stupid low level raiders so that you have nothing left to fight the deathclaw with. I died a few times in this mission before completing it. As a player going through this quest the first time, if you survive it is because you either didn't waste ammo, used VATS on the deathclaw, or just got extremely lucky. Your second or third try on this quest and you will likely try other things. Conserving ammo, laying traps (if you have the supplies), or maybe even avoiding the final step in the quest altogether until you are better prepared. But long since I played this game, this is the one quest I remember from it. Probably because it does feel so out of place at this stage of the game. It is like Fallout: New Vegas. Pick the wrong direction to travel in the game when you first start out and you are dead. You are not going to survive the creatures you run into. But this particular quest gives you three things. One, an enemy you shouldn't have to be expected to face this early in the game. Two, a set of power armor that you probably won't use afterwards because it get absolutely trashed in the typical in your face fight. And a minigun whose ammo is likely to be completely depleted in the fight and you won't get more of for quite some time. I'm sure many players would be like myself. You use these resources and then store them. Never to use them again because you find better alternatives in your travels before you come back to them.

[@Radbiker33357]

@@superdave8248 if you truly have played every fallout, you can most definitely encounter death claws extremely early. Especially 1 and 2 through horribly unlucky random encounters, so I don’t see what the problem is when it’s been like that for awhile. In NV if new people want to go straight to the strip and just see the long stretch of quarry road, they will most certainly find a deathclaw within an hour of play time.

[@superdave8248]

@@Radbiker33357 To be fair, I literally played one and two when they released. Which is pushing 25 years ago. (Damn am getting old.)

[@tristanreimers423]

@@superdave8248 the death claw is really not that hard that you had to retry, let alone multiple times skill issue

[@Kligor2]

Honestly since the power armor is all rusty it shoulda just had a small moment where it breaks down and Preston is like "Damn, the thing is really totaled. Wont be able to use THAT one again.." so it gives you a taste rather than just handing you such a powerful tool

[@goldenshoggoth2143]

They gave you the limitation of power cores, People acting like this changes the game when most of you guys stored this thing in sanctuary

[@tahirallita]

​@@goldenshoggoth2143dawg, fusion cores weren't super hard to find even with low luck. The repair costs tho? Bleh

[@1Orderchaos]

@@goldenshoggoth2143 This is an excuse, and a poor one at that. It's actually very easy to find fusion cores, and considering you're calling them power cores I doubt you know what you're even talking about, and are just parroting what other comments have said.

[@Moron14]

they should have made it so that it would be wildly inefficent in fuel, just say something like it's fuses are a bit busted so it's using a shite ton of power

[@SleepySkull1]

@@goldenshoggoth2143 My very first playthrough of Fallout 4 when the game launched on ps4, I had to google how to get in a power armor because I couldn't figure out how to get in a suit I found. There was a mostly full set of X-01 armor and was excited to jump in but I couldn't.. ... Until I managed to exit the very same power armor I grabbed at the start. I never played in Thirdperson, or if I did, Never realized I was wearing power armor. Looking back, I probably didn't even know it ran on fusion cores and just auto consumed them. And by looking at the wiki of the X-01, It only spawns at 28 and above. Which makes me look even dumber for not realizing I was running around in a broken power armor from the very start until at least level 28.

[@gunn0624]

The simplest way to fix the feel of this is to just make the deathclaw sickly or injured when it spawns. If it had only one arm it would still be a threat but would be more understandable how you kill it so easily,

[@Dabajaws]

If the armor wasn't fully complete and if the death claw was a bit younger or injured this would make perfect sense

[@mintcondition7789]

And then a scripted event where you can see a fully grown death claw take out a bunch of tough enemies that wreck you so early, so you know that you’re still vulnerable.

[@kinghill82]

That's what they did in Fallout 3. It could still kill you but it was injured.

[@EdwinGarcia0228]

Then maybe even at the end of killing the injured deathclaw they script a small cutscene where the minigun breaks or jams completely or like Jabo stated, removed it frmo the beginning altogether.

[@seanpeacock4290]

@@Dabajaws Baby deathclaws ripping through raiders. I love it.

[@TheLegionOfTheDamned.]

In the countless times I have played the mission on a character I have never once kept the power armour or Minigun on me I have always dumped both off on one of the NPC's that I set up to guard Sanctuary.

[@paulmarsh3330]

Ditto!Don't use it except in this one mission.

[@bossman4856]

The power armor and the Mini gun should really break after you kill the death claw. They were both in a vertibird crash after all. And they both were beaten up by a deathclaw.

[@warlerker]

@@bossman4856 The power armor should only have the chest plate so its beefyness is negligible.

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

I took the power armor off because I thought oh this is super important and I don't want to run out of power for it...little did I know fusion cores are everywhere but I had a better experience for it then just stomping everything while wearing it like I did on a second playthrough.

[@kathydina3646]

I ended up using the power armor as an exploration suit for high radiation places and underwater. I don't think I've used it for combat.

[@piplup58]

For the power armor at least, I feel like they could’ve just scripted it so that the suit’s fusion core runs out right when you finish the fight, it gives you a chance to try the new power armor, and teaches you how the power mechanic works

[@ryszakowy]

or they could you know.... LEAVE ITEM CONDITION script it so armor is destroyed or make deathclaw an actual threat but this is bethesda.... any kind of effort required from the player and slight inconvenience and entire idea has to be scrapped

[@gadrielvanorion9872]

they could also give you a broken armor that falls apart as you use it, broken display and less function, so you are left with the basic pieces, no energy and it basically doesnt rly work anymore so while you play you get better pieces over time but have to earn them over alot of time while not getting energy cells cause they are either expensive or simply unaviavable until you complete a certain thing in the story OR you go to a HIGH lvl area and get them there any of this leaves you with a taste what power armor could be, but also makes sure that you just got a TINY taste of it the deathclaw should not be there at all, but a bear perhaps... a small bear imagine how you need broken power armor cuz some random ass bear attacks you meanwhile the rly mean ones are hanging around somewhere else

[@C00L_DUD31]

@@ryszakowy you mean what happens when you fight the deathclaw unless its easy or very easy (witch by the names themselves clearly say that is not the intended way to play)

[@grimmy7937]

Ayeeeeeeeee 😩

[@drorted]

Wait wait The suit had a fusion core?

[@kildain3438]

I know this is super old, but I feel like this is ignoring one major part of this Tutorial/set piece. It's also teaching you that ammo is scarce, and Power Armor (unlike other armor) degrades and needs to be repaired, and that you require Fusion Cores to use. This is as much for "old" players as new, as the way Power Armor works changed from previous games. By the end of the fight, you should have close to no ammo left for the minigun, a couple pieces of fully broken armor pieces and some heavily damaged ones. Without the perk requirement in FO4, anyone can find one of the many Power Armor suits littered around the wasteland and not understand why they can't enter it (no fusion cores) or why the arms and legs are red in the interface. This isn't to give you a bunch of OP stuff off the bat, it's to show you the OP stuff has a cost of use.

[@vindix9137]

I do hear what your saying about it showing you the OP early and the cost, (on repeat playthrough a the cost is non existent if you know where to go, lvl 15 currently with 20 fusion cores) but personally I feel like that choice in general is just a choice that I feel like is far removed from any fallout game previously made. It’s the (and forgive my lack of a better term) the “first person shooterifaction” of what used to be a RPG first. I don’t even think the quest is really that bad, I think it’d be a far more highly regarded if a quest with the brotherhood once they’ve given you armor, have to clear a place out and have that death claw battle, I think it just need way more build up to a moment like that.

[@potatopotawto1412]

The power armor is on the box. New players are gonna know just as much as old players how important that armor is. Also, when you try and get in a suit without a core a pop up appears and you can pretty easily assume moving like a snail is not normal. Plus, when you get shot and the red disappears along with a grinding and breaking sound, that’s a pretty good indicator of something going wrong.

[@vindix9137]

@@potatopotawto1412 and the Ranger armor was on the box of new Vegas, and armor was on the box for FO3. Don’t think that applies in this instance.

[@11cat123]

@@potatopotawto1412 Doesn't matter if it's on the box, in fact for the steam page its no where in sight. Even for new players coming from the tv show, the details of how power armor works in Fallout 4 would not be assumed. If you want the average player to actually learn something, giving them a pop up with zero context or visual re-enforcement is a shit way to go about it. Plenty of games make the most hardy equipment/characters move slower cause of higher defense, whose to say it does not apply here? And considering that I have hundreds of hours in the game and haven't even noticed that sound effect before, I don't think its enough to explain a whole mechanic. Remember that as part of the main quest you have to navigate the glowing sea for which power armor while not technically is practically required. It is extremely important that every player of the main quest knows what power armor is by that point. So why not put it in the intro while associating its use with killing one of the baddest enemies in the glowing sea? I don't buy that the average new player is gonna run off with it and be OP for the rest of the game, in fact I think a vast majority of players will drop it off at sanctuary and literally never use it again unless they think they have to the second they see it uses a consumable limited resource because that is how players treat consumable limited resources in every game ever no matter how easy they actually are to find.

[@MilhousFlameblade]

@@11cat123that’s more or less what I did. I’m doing my first playthrough now, currently level 32 with like 35-ish fusion cores, but my 6 sets of power armour (including a fully upgraded Mark VI Enclave suit) are just sitting in sanctuary because so far I’ve had no reason to wear them and waste the fusion cores. Same goes for all my heavy weapons, I created a chest and just slapped in any fat man, mini gun, flamer, missile launcher, etc that I find because until I find something I need it for, no point wasting it’s ammo.

[@kyleellis1825]

All they had to do was give the Deathclaw half health and the name "Wounded Deathclaw". Make terrain clues, notes, and terminal entries, and have some raiders talking about if it's going to come back/ if they should go down after it. It hints that when you kill most of the raiders, something will attack. It explains why it was hiding in the sewers and gives a reason for it to go after any raiders before you.

[@mr_me0ws0me]

i actually rlly like that idea, it sounds more authentic

[@lowlydovahkiin8084]

Would pay for a mod of this.

[@kyleellis1825]

@@lowlydovahkiin8084 The deathclaw variety mod at least makes the deathclaw a runt Or maybe it is injured. It just doesn't add the extra context clues to really build it up properly.

[@felixrogers4973]

Isn’t that just the start of Skyrim tho

[@kyleellis1825]

​@@felixrogers4973 The Helgen esape from Alduin and the bear? The first dungeon you do? Or the first dragon you kill with all the guards? Because the Alduin escape is against a bear, which is a lot weaker than a Yao Gaoi. That bear is about the same level as a regular Mirelurk (at low levels). The first dungeon with the Spider? Not really. Again, that thing is super weak and would comparatively be like fighting a Mirelurk Hunter. Spiders in the previous game weren't the strongest thing you fought. The first dragon is a group fight with completely different mechanics.

[@SebbyPlaysMusic]

I kind of just wish there was a solid explanation for that Deathclaw being stuck in a sewer and then busting out. I was instantly so intrigued by that dilemma the first time I played, I explored the sewers before even trying to kill the Deathclaw.

[@Courier_6]

Could be “flushed alligator” reference.

[@mumified6511]

Me too

[@nonamo5700]

It evidently lived in the area - exploring under the sewer you can find where it was hunting, and behind the museum there's what looks like a massive nest made of sheet metal and rubbish, with human remains in it. (I say massive, but it's also low to ground and fairly easy to miss) The Deathclaws that aren't random encounters tend to hide in sewers, caves or buildings - two such encounters east of Concord come to mind.

[@Courier_6]

@@nonamo5700 Funny, Now that you mention it, I don't believe I ever explored behind the museum building.

[@naughtyNuGetzz23]

Resident Evil 2 Easter egg maybe

[@miffedmax6775]

This quest always felt like the “end of demo” quest and that’s how I’ve always seen it, it never bothered me too much, the whole power armour thing as well is neutered a lot by the fusion core mechanic, as well as the fact that power armour is now treated like an accessory vehicle rather than “armour” as such.

[@Argonwolfproject]

I felt this way too. In previous games power armor was the holy grail of equipment, the final step in becoming a walking god of destruction, something you didn't get until you were already very powerful anyway. In this game, it's normalized as a tool that you can use at will that has its own advantages and disadvantages. It protects you well, gives you extra strength and has lots of customizable aspects, but it also has to be refueled almost constantly, and fusion cores aren't cheap OR plentiful early-game. To me it was like having a tank in my garage I could take out if a quest presented combat too deadly for my current character to survive (notably, I usually save its fuel and minigun ammo for the Castle raid since I always get bodied hard if I don't suit up). The minigun was somewhat similar, even though it didn't require power armor to use, it rapidly consumed ammunition that isn't easy to acquire early-game en masse, and can even be a pain to keep loaded in the late game. It was admittedly a bit underpowered for its size, but I personally thought the FO3 and New Vegas miniguns were in the same boat, a constant-damage weapon that did barely any damage but could fire for a minute straight to make up for it. It's not too surprising lore-wise, considering it's said to chamber 5mm ammunition which is equivalent to a .22 caliber rifle, and anybody whose ever fired a .22 in real life would probably find the miniguns in 3 4 and New Vegas a bit OVERpowered for the bullets they're firing. That also kind of explains how a person can contain the recoil of a handheld minigun, since .22 rounds create barely-noticeable recoil. Shit. I ramble a lot, don't I?

[@Runegrem]

@@birdatbattlefield I think the title and thumbnail is of the standard clickbait type with exaggerations much like how you exaggerated your imagined video titles. And you can somewhat estimate how popular and good a title is by the amount and level of nitpicking of it there is. More popular titles get more analyzing videos about it and better things get more in-depth and detailed nitpickings. More popular titles also get more hate. There's fair criticism to be made at the quest, but to claim it came close to ruin the game is going too far. Personally I rarely actually use power armour or heavy guns, so I didn't really notice anything about balance issues. However, I do agree that both deathclaws and power armour should've been introduced later in the game. It's not horrible as it is, but it's not good either. All in all, I think the quest is really cool, but a bit misplaced in the progression of the game.

[@jeangargaren7057]

@@birdatbattlefield Worse is that they nitpick things like this that aren't that much of a problem but nobody seems to talk about how much of damages sponges you and enemy become when you get to late game. I would not have played more than 20/30 hours without mods and specifically BLD which makes combat so much more interesting in my opinion, basically everybody stops using airsoft guns for real weapons that do kill.

[@Argonwolfproject]

@@birdatbattlefield He's perfectly welcome to express his opinions and concerns, he's walking on eggshells throughout the video to assure people he's still in love with the game, and I'm sure he's aware not everybody will share his opinions. And you are perfectly welcome to disagree with his opinions. But claiming they have no foundation because he's supposedly on the FO4 hate train? That's merciless bashing.

[@danweber6972]

100% this. It's the end of the intro/demo level. The welcome to the crazy mission. These crap negative and dramatic titles for silly articles and videos are worn out.

[@mrmcdingle9832]

I remember from the interview TKs did with Tim Cain, that Tim loves the idea of making the player think something worse is out there. Fallout 4 could’ve done this, you kill that deathclaw and either Preston or the other characters could say “at least it wasn’t a mythic deathclaw”.

[@BottomBunkArt]

I think they expected people to leave the armor at Sanctuary due to a lack of fusion cores early on. Which is what I did. Plus my power armor was completely destroyed in the deathclaw fight

[@treytucker9948]

yeah fallout 4 power armor really is piss poor.

[@Deadsea_1993]

@@treytucker9948 . Not really, it is well designed. It was designed to withstand most bullets, but of course not giant creatures that are powerful. I also regularly maintain my armor as it is easier to maintain rather than rebuild. I don't like throwing my scavenged parts away to rebuild critically damaged parts. I also cleared the Deathclaw fight by keeping my distance and playing safely. It is possible to do this with other enemies to preserve your armor and the fact that fusion cores are well hidden and do require some exploring to discover.

[@TheRantinghick]

idk if you still can but i used to go into the storefront and shoot the deathclaw, hes to big to get in or reach you. Saves your armor if you do it. just taking hits while you try to kill him hurts

[@scennix]

@@TheRantinghick it does but he will eventually walk away, you can walk out again and make him aggro

[@GamingDad]

Oh.. really? I found new cores quite quickly. Now I have an army of those armors

[@joeguy5989]

Each time I played this quest over the years, for me, yes I would get the power armor, and the minigun, use it to kill the deathclaw, but would then have to leave both at sanctuary after not having anymore fusion cores or 5mm ammo until later on. I was amazed by this quest when I first had played it.

[@moopoo8841]

I do the same thing. A lot of the arguments in this video are kinda overturned by the fact that you could burn through your only fusion core on the wall back to sanctuary. Then you essentially have a hunk of metal that will slow you down until you pay the 800-1200 caps for another fusion core or get lucky and find another one early game

[@daviskroupa1598]

I think they tried to design it like this, I have always dropped off the minigun and power armor at sanctuary for lack of fusion cores and ammo right after the mission.

[@technodude458]

same i save my power armor for very specific situations like the time they make you go into the glowing sea because the resources needed to use it can be very scarce i just happened to get lucky when i played the first time because I found some extra fusion cores

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

@@moopoo8841 then you only ever use it again to get to virgil in the glowing sea

[@robknight666]

@@moopoo8841 well you could just go below Red Rocket, but you have to know a fusion core is there otherwise you will probably miss it because of the rads around it. Satelite duration Olivia has another one, but you have to fight a gang of tough raiders (one of them has a minigun and power armor) Additionally there is another (potentially) full set of power armor right outside of the station. (Fusioncore not included) On your way to diamond city you come across a boat with raiders One raider has power armor and a core, plus 3 spare ones if could can pick a lock (medium difficulty I believe). But again you have to know this in advance.

[@gogodogodo3283]

I think deathclaw should've been introduced to you in the glowing sea. Imagine going through its mist, and seeing its shadow somewhere up the hill, for example

[@akumakorgar]

I actually did have that experience, I ran into the Deathclaw at Concord obviously, but then when going through the Glowing Sea I remember looking up at a ridge and seeing the murky silhouette of a huge Deathclaw stalking through the poison fog along a hillside, way off in the distance, plodding along like a T-Rex, and it gave me this incredible sense of being in a very dangerous and inhospitable hellscape

[@lancethedecayedguardian2719]

Honestly if they found a way for the first encounter to be in the museum of witchcraft it'd be a far scarier and more justified introduction for rightfully the scariest enemy in game I remember how nervous I was going through there even knowing it was a Deathclaw but imagine that's your first ever encounter with one in Fallout 4

[@nightfall89z62]

@@lancethedecayedguardian2719 this absolutely this. Unfortunately, the Salem museum is a lot farther away than concord from your start point and it wouldn't really make sense for you to go all the way to Salem before you meet people...

[@nightfall89z62]

There are plenty of deathclaws in the glowing sea, and it is possible to get the quest where you go there before getting any minutemen quests. I did it with one of my characters. It takes a lot of exploring and ignoring story quests though. You essentially have to head to diamond city before doing other quests and speak to valentine early on. I did it through curie's questline. Heading towards vault 81 where you get curie then up her affinity until she gives you her quest. I then headed to goodneighbor. I did all that before ever talking to Preston. It was annoying and a bit of a grind but it worked.

[@AlejandraLopez-nb2yj]

I could expect something like the Museum, that is so immersive, and the way the companions mentions something unsettling, (not you, Deacon and X6, killjoys)

[@tubaca3701]

Easy fix: make it so that the minigun and power armor are both ‘rusted’ versions, and that after the quest they both break down. It gives you a taste of how good they can be without ruining the power balancing

[@TheGary108]

It would have been a great idea to introduce Rusted Variants and have the Power Armor in Concord be a Quest Item to always break after Deathclaw Boss fight and it would be a way to introduce the concept. Add in a Restoration mechanic that requires a perk given by “training” with certain Factions like BoS or the Institute and you’ll have the ability to restore Rusted Armor pieces. If you want intact pieces without joining either Factions, buying from Merchants or getting lucky with Power Armor Frame Spawns is the option. Hell, make the Faction perks different, BoS gives best Fusion Core longevity and improves Durability, Rail Road makes upgrades cheaper, Minutemen gives discounts for Power Armor Merchants. As for the Institute, they bypass the Power Armor and gives the character Cyborg Enhancements like from New Vegas.

[@DanTessman88]

Or you know, since you use typically use over 50% of the power core during the fight against the death claw its really not an issue, especially if you didn't know to fast travel with the armor to save the power core, instead of wasting it on the walk back to sanctuary, that 25% core is what I use to move my armors around when I need to mod my suits for the rest of the game that's about all it's good for at that point until you get more later on.

[@DanTessman88]

​@TheGary108 it's already 2 or 3/5 damaged or broken when you find it and you can easily break more of it during the death claw fight if you don't know what doing on your first playthrough.

[@TheGary108]

@@DanTessman88 Yeah. I was talking about overhauling the Power Armor system to make it so that each Faction has different ways to handle the power armor. After a point in Vanilla, you have so much power cores that it makes the issue trivial. I wanted each Faction would have their own interesting answers to the Power Armor System.

[@tubaca3701]

@@DanTessman88 cores are super easy to find

[@hallamhal]

This is why I love NV so much. There's a warning sign for the cazadors, and there's a guy telling you to avoid the death claws at Sloane, but in both cases that's all the help you're getting - there's no set piece of "here's some equipment and guys to help you", you just die horribly and learn not to go that way until you're skilled enough. It's like the world isn't built to fit the player, the player has to adapt to fit the world

[@Blama_]

Yeah I recently cleared Quary junction and it was pretty scary and took me a few tries to figure out what I did wrong, it doesnt force you to fight them but you can

[@Theshadowlurker99]

I actually feel like that's a weaker point of Fallout New Vegas, at least in regards to when you start out. It's like "Oh here's this nice little route we the game picked out for you so you can see all the neato stuff we put in. Oh what's that? You want to go straight to New Vegas and ignore them? FUCK YOU HERE'S SUPER DIFFICULT ENEMIES." Honestly hated how Fallout NV basically forces you down a linear path, the Sloan deathclaws were pretty good since it was more like something for you to do later.

[@Charles_Anthony]

@@Theshadowlurker99: You can get to Vegas by level 2 if you sneak your way past the Czadors.

[@randomguyblank1616]

@@Theshadowlurker99 counterpoint: A skilled and knowledgeable player can easily make it past these super hard enemies, theres a stealthboy in the safe of schoolhouse at goodsprings (the starting area of the game). Heck if you go through Sunny Smiles' dialogue you can get some skill magazines and lockpicks to help you do it. Not to mention another magazine next to the computer that you can hack in order to unlock it as well. The stealthboy can be used to easily sneak past the deathclaws at Sloan, and from there its just its pretty much a straight shot to New Vegas. (don't even need to spec into sneak, stealth boy add +75 to sneak anyways) New Vegas doesn't force you into a linear path, it goads you into it, but if you take the time to look around you can find multiple paths to you objective. This doesn't apply to just this specific scenario but pretty much all the other quest in the game.

[@brucehc4975]

@@randomguyblank1616 in one playthrough I just ran straight to NV through the quarry road. Only encountered 1 stray Deathclaw, but he got stuck on something while I ran ahead.

[@tipsxdennac]

Calling the guards in skyrim "a small task force" is giving them more credit than they deserve lol

[@user-vy7bb2bq4p]

Let me guess someone stole your sweet roll

[@Miller_Time]

They will destroy you if you try to kill anyone in towns till about level 15-20

[@jerrychicks2420]

@@Miller_Time Still destroys you on legendary.

[@orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332]

Technically they don't even need you, if you stand around and do nothing they will still eventually kill the dragon.

[@CombineMTF]

@@orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332 well the guards are mostly dead by that point its irileth just being a "essential NPC" killing the dragon

[@Hedning1390]

When I first did this quest I noticed my power level plummet as I was running to sanctuary, so I pretty much dropped the power armor there as well as the minigun which the deathclaw ate all the ammo for anyway, figuring I needed higher level perks to make it sustainable.

[@dashii111]

During the fight with the deathclaw you are knocked unconscious and nearly killed. You wake up in sanctuary with no power armor or mini gun. Preston explains that he toted you back after a mysterious person finished the deathclaw and vanished. Mysterious person could be a courser father sent as he was monitoring you upon your release?

[@aen.1]

or the mysterious stranger could help?

[@darkdogzstudioz]

@@aen.1 mysterious stranger only helps people that have proven themselves lucky.

[@ibekillenit]

70x8

[@AlexH-yd4vj]

Most games: "Here, fight this boss." FO4: "You are the boss battle."

[@stateofchrysalis5483]

how it feels to chew 5 gum *Doom music kicks in*

[@diamond_boy5058]

Yes

[@noahbohlin5462]

Is it fun tho? Y E S

[@ShapeshifterOS]

Instant gratification for a moment yes, but not fun. Don’t confuse the two.

[@chscelebrity8325]

Sounds like Doom

[@reniorjd]

One argument I have against this, you’re given a partial power fusion core so for a new player who dosen’t know where to get another one right off the bat, power armor is a precious resource that will stored until needed. Same for the mini gun and it’s ammo.

[@sarahcoppin2249]

This is a good point as well, but if u know how to find FCs then u can find the better armor sets easy too (I think u can find a few FCs b4 u even get the first armor set). I think his main point in the video was that if u want to rush a power armor build early u can and its verry op whereas in the older games it was a late game thing u may not even get. I only ever stopped playing Fallout 4 after I was a power armor juggernaut late game and that's why I always get power armor and FC perks last.

[@mrsexy5680]

@@sarahcoppin2249 well thats it’s own concept: this implies the player already has prior knowledge of the game. In my first playthrough I didn’t know anything and was locked out of ammo for minigun and fusion cores for power armor. But on my fourth playthrough to get the institute ending, I knew about the gold in the safe at sanctuary, the 4 fusion cores, the way I can only use the minigun on the death claw to save even more ammo, etc. ofc the game is easier if you already know how to play it. For a new player, it plays exactly as intended. And even if they do find what I mentioned, they are rewarded for exploration, which is a good quality for open world rpg games anyway

[@sarahcoppin2249]

@@mrsexy5680 i did say the over all point about new players was good. But the main point of the video was its to ez to get op armor early in the game new or not. if u have played 3 or NV u will get this better, its better to get armor mid or late game due to how powerful it is in this game for sure.

[@user-sx6rm9uu7q]

@@mrsexy5680 problem is that power armor is late game thing while you can literally get it in first 20 min of gameplay which is totally absurd

[@kel-lee8621]

@@user-sx6rm9uu7q in fallout 3 you can as well. You can easily go straight from the vault to the outcast and do the simulation and you leave with winterized power armor and other good gear. I do it everytime I make s new character and it makes early game easy af. It's fair because at this point everyone has the dlc. So knowing that getting the t45 and minigun right off the bat dosent matter. If you compare the 2 then fallout 3 gives you way more op stuff right off the bat.

[@ronaldmcdonald6554]

I think one main point that was glossed over is the fact that not everyone makes the choice to keep using the Power Armour or the Minigun after that quest. I think the devs expected us to store it for later use, (like any sane person), because at that point you wouldn't know how else to find a power core or how common the ammunition for the minigun was, so naturally you'd assume it was a wiser idea to keep it stored away for a rainy day.

[@Raltar]

To be completely honest, I only use power armor in Fallout and Fallout 2. I do not use it in any of the 3d Fallout games because stealth is so much better. So that is exactly what I do. I fight the deathclaw, follow them to Sanctuary and put that shit away for the rest of the game.

[@AStrangeWindmill]

That's definitely the intent. Especially when you remember that the FO4 Armor is expensive to use in other ways. It costs steel, circuitry, and other materials to repair - and that's in addition to the cores. If you chose to keep using it, you'll be constantly draining resources that you won't be able to easily get early game.

[@grammysworld5449]

Also the mini gun is HEAVY.. You're pretty much over encumbered if you get out of the power armor

[@AMD7027]

Exactly, the PA takes damage, the minigun chews up ammo (you don’t have), and you have no way to buy new power cores. This is a one time use of the PA to introduce them to new players for 1 enemy. I use it, run out of power cores and have to slow walk back to Sanctuary where it goes in the PA frame until much later in the game.

[@shhnochannelhere1576]

@@Raltar noone tell raltar about the power armour with integrated stealth boys in fo4

[@ILIKEOTTERS]

When I was done with the fight, I had 10 bullets left in the gun, almost no juice left, and almost all the armor parts where broken

[@Jokertron3000]

During the Behemoth piece, I usually let him kill as many BOS as he can, then I loot their power armour to sell 😬

[@JOCAeNUNO]

You're a genius

[@Jokertron3000]

@@JOCAeNUNO more like an opportunistic scavenger who lets tragedies unfold so I can reap the rewards myself with less personal risk. But yeah, genius sounds good.

[@ridanann]

@@Jokertron3000 not tragedies there fascists they asked me if I had sex with a zombie I wouldn't do that but it's none of their business don't ask don't tell as the yanks would say lol. I don't like the Brotherhood of Steel in general I love Veronica and lions was pretty cool but the rest of them can go f*** themselves I have no idea where the hell we get off using the name prydwin with such un Celtic behaviour feels like some kind of twisted in joke. It seems like right after Fallout 3 they went post-apocalyptic Nazi I don't think I've ever actually gotten involved in that behemoth battle if I did it might be on the behemoth side I'll bring Hancock as well lol I suppose charon you would be a better one 4 Fallout 3 either way not tragedies fascists it's morally free real estate.

[@doctorjackbright8209]

@@ridanann this is why enclave is better

[@ridanann]

@@doctorjackbright8209 Arcade Gannon is Stealth Chad AF colonel autumn killed Liam Neeson🤷‍♂️ suppose the enclave wouldn't basically the original Institute hard to know where they can go when they're taken out of their comfort zone

[@olivegames7987]

I always remember when they showed off this quest and section from the "15 minutes of Fallout 4". In my mind I always felt like they had this scene just so those videos looked super "badass" with you starting from basic combat, getting power armour and a mini gun to killing an iconic deathclaw so they could include all of those things into those reveal videos lmao

[@Cheyne_TetraMFG]

Yup. It’s like they literally made it for E3 and reviewers, rather than making it for, like, their players.

[@scarlettNET]

They apparently first designed the quest to only be part of a demo or something and then decided to put it in the main game because it was too cool or something

[@olivegames7987]

@@scarlettNET that would....make a lot of sense LOL. It /is/ cool way of showing like...a general proof of concept for some of the things in game. Cool set piece, just not in a good spot or good execution

[@dylanwight5764]

@@olivegames7987 It could have been fixed by making the power armour and the minigun temporary items which afterward need to be repaired... It would be a cool way to reinforce the power armour is rare. After all, nobody but the Brotherhood is supposed to have much of it at all, and we see hints of this throughout the game -- burned-out husks, unique pieces locked away in labs, even a bloody hotrodder garage gang dedicated to repairing these suits! Wasted potential to have a Commonwealth-spanning quest to assemble a one-of-a-kind pre-war prototype or something...

[@lucaseberhardt9198]

@@dylanwight5764 it would have made sense to only give the power armor suit, withour the armor pieces, with the justification that they were broken il the crash

[@mosesgonzalez2248]

I always thought the deathclaw didn't belong in that sequence either. How am I supposed to be afraid of anything in this game when I killed the devil himself in the first 20 minutes of the game

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

It does toss you around quite a bit tho...doing underwhelming damage for a deathclaw. I still remember tossing the blind deathclaw in new vegas some C4 because i sucked at sneaking and barely surviving

[@finlaymcdiarmid5832]

Deathclaws in previous games were terrifying, i remember seeing one for the first time in fo3 and it was so perfectly monstrous, even in the old games near endgame they were still pretty hard and could easily overwhelm you.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 even in 3 they felt a bit weak, although that’s mainly because of a single weapon that’s busted, the dart gun. You’re more likely to find the Temple of the Union and do their quest before you come across your first Deathclaw. NV’s were scary though, few ways to cheese them and they were silent tanks spread all throughout the map, in 3 they were only ever in Old Olney until you got to like level 25.

[@finlaymcdiarmid5832]

@@Slender_Man_186 that is a good point i forgot about the legendary dart gun, it is overpowered but at low levels you aint got a choice. Im just remembering all these little things about fo3 now, havent played it in two years. Speaking of old games i was playing GTA3 last night it still holds up 21 years later! i remember playing it for the first time in about 2007/8 thought it was brilliant.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 I replayed Fallout 3 a few months back, did a perfect build (all Special at 10 all skills at 100), it’s alright but I still see myself revisiting NV more. I also got a Raspberry Pi Emulation Station for Christmas and have been able to go back and play a lot of old SNES and GBA games I grew up with, the Donkey Kong Country Trilogy, Super Mario World, Yoshi’s Island, Super Metroid, Pokémon Leaf Green and Emerald, Metroid Zero Mission and Fusion, they all hold up amazingly.

[@jaryd12345]

I think the idea behind introducing it so early is that it’s a powerful tool that you have limited use of. Later on when you break the economy it becomes trivial and you could live in the armour if you want to. But in the early hours of a play through, cores are harder to get hold of and it becomes a management mechanic of deciding when and where is best to use them up for the suit boost.

[@theirishviking9278]

from memory theirs a dev at Bethesda who was the one who made the fallout 4 power armor talking about the armor in a video they mention something along the lines of "todd saw it and went 'cool add it to the tutorial' " the thought process for why its in that mission was an off hand knee jerk reaction to it being cool

[@23foger]

I've always felt that the way "When Freedom Calls" is set up reminds me of a demo. Where its very fast passed and they show you all the very cool features at once. Kinda feels like this was meant as a demo mission and was supposed to be removed later but the devs kept it because they were too lazy to change the quest.

[@reddogmcgraw5692]

Interesting theory 🤔 ... certainly possible. All the aspects are there.

[@garyballard179]

It *was* the demo. But they weren't going to remove it, not for any reason. It was created after an artist designed the Deathclaw in his spare time. They weren't going to include the Deathclaw, but after seeing his work, they decided to make it the showpiece.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

@@garyballard179 "They weren't going to include the Deathclaw, but after seeing his work, they decided to make it the showpiece." You honestly expect anyone to believe that Bethesda included practically every recognizable thing they could from the first two games, but planned on skipping the Deatclaw? LOL. You're funny.

[@garyballard179]

@@Mirthful_Midori They wanted to try something different for Boston, so they didn't assign any artist to design the Deathclaw. The artist that designed it did so for personal satisfaction. If you don't like that, sucks to be you.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

@@garyballard179 You got a source for that claim? Maybe an interview, preferably a youtube link. I'm not going to take your word for it. Especially not when Bethesda has recycled practically, if not literally every recognizable thing from the first two games.

[@mwsherlock80]

After my second playthrough, I stopped doing this quest altogether. Mainly so I don't have to interact with Preston and deal with him mithering me the rest of the game. But also for the same reasons you listed. I do agree the power armour is the best of the franchise. I don't often use it because of how clunky and overpowering it can be though. I will collect the sets and maybe I'll take it for a ride when I'm off to the glowing sea or there's a mirelurk queen that needs seeing to.

[@luckerowl8990]

honestly man if they put it in the middle of the game it would've fit fine, maybe a quest in diamond city where mutants break through, and you get to drop in from the seats in power armour and a minigun mowing down mutants. it wouldve been a fitting intoduction, and at a point where you will ACTUALLY need the armour

[@podstepmistrzem8200]

@@luckerowl8990 Even better, have a set hidden in the castle. The mirelurk queen fight is already pretty brutal for when most players do this quest, and it makes logical sense for power armor to be in a place called the castle.

[@TuanAnh-uu9yd]

Clunky yes, overpowered hardly, more like role playing. Most op build in this game is actually sneak based. Why get any DR at all when the enemies can't even detect you. They can walk right in front of me and it's still [CAUTION], it's ridiculous. And sneak crit annihilates almost all enemies in 1 or 2 shots, especially if you get lucky with the right legendary weapon (double hit gauss rifle). This build conserve ammo and also save ammo weight if on survival. I only use power armor when on glowing sea, modded them with lead to get max rad res.

[@FRDUNCRN]

so you never get the castle?

[@mwsherlock80]

@@FRDUNCRN You don't need Preston to claim the castle, only if you want the armoury and artillery.

[@Wulfjager]

Replacing the deathclaw with a mirelurk king makes more sense since it is coming out of a mirelurk infested sewer, and because it has the same body structure you could even have it do the same animation when appearing. Also if the power armor got a scripted "critical error" after the fight and becomes unusable, locking the minigun in it's grip but allowing you to exit the suit, it would tackle the minigun needing to be entirely nerfed. This would give to a taste of what's to come but not let you keep an overpowered prize. It's further incentive to progress because you know you can find that cool stuff you just used out in the wasteland again

[@davidburke4101]

I was just thinking that and was going into the comments to type it. I was thinking that they could simply have the deathclaw destroy the power armor in some form while having you barely escape. It would set up the spectacle of the power armor and minigun, and it would show just how much of a threat a deathclaw would be even with the armor. You get two spectacles and you fix the balance issue for the rest of the game.

[@Cricketmane]

@@daniellmalcom2573 WEll what am I gonna do? Leave it?

[@Cricketmane]

@@daniellmalcom2573 Agreed

[@Krazykarlton]

EXACTLY give it that Metroid Prime treatment

[@praisehircine6125]

@@davidburke4101 I was thinking the same thing but also they could make the deathclaw a sick or disabled deathclaw so, then it make sense for a level 4 character to be able to kill it but the deathclaw would still be powerful enough to mess up the power armour like you said.

[@tomaschade268]

The first time I played fallout 4 I was 13 years old. When I got the power armor I started running and depleted almost instantly my fusion core, so I went from Lexington to Sanctuart walking in my depleted power armor because I didn't want to leave it on the wasteland. I also stored theimigun because I tought that you couldn't use ir without the strenght boost.

[@oddlifestyle]

I think the perfect replacement for the Deathclaw would’ve just been a Raider boss with Raider Power Armor, introduces power armor while keeping it relative to level, keeping the raider introduction strong, and not giving you this feeling that they’ve downplayed an enemy that’s been up to this point known as the “toughest in the franchise.”

[@o_LL_o]

The Deathclaw was perfect. Especially introducing the way it grabs and lifts.

[@FarikoWishless]

@@o_LL_o The point everyone is making is they made it look like a bitch and it WAS a bitch in Fallout 4 and even 76 they’re easy to kill and break line of sight with. In Fallout 3 and NV that thing was ACTUAL grim reaper type shit and it only took a normal one to kill you not even the bigger ones. It’d be like if Cazadores in New Vegas died in two shots and didn’t burn through your armor and HP and saves lol. A lot of people avoided cazadores because of them being a real threat. In FO4 the intros like nothing to worry about here’s armor to survive it. Armor you couldn’t use in just 15 minutes in past games.

[@Allantitan]

@@FarikoWishless hell I waited till around level 20 or so when I had a few perks to help me before taking on cazadore infested areas

[@JimJamTheAdmin]

@@o_LL_o the deathclaws was not perfect and makes no sense for the encounter. You are being beset by Raiders, they are after the Minutemen for Mama Murphy because a raider gang believes in her visions. Why then is your final confrontation for the quest, which involves fighting raiders at every step, not a Raider boss of some kind? It's there purely because Bethesda thought "Deathclaws cool! Have deathclaws right now!" and not "how should this quest logically end in a way that weaves together other stories in the world?" Prolly because they know players like you, who do not appreciate pacing or good writing, simply will not care because you got to see a cool, scripted, Uncharted style set-piece right away.

[@karayak6920]

@@JimJamTheAdmin From what I´ve read, that quest (or parts of it) was like a demo the developers showed to Todd Howard at early stages of development, to show combat and deathclaw animations and stuff, and our beloved Todd was all "OMG, I want this at the beggining of the game, it´s cool !!!" without thinking (as always...) that makes not sense whatsoever that THE stronger enemy in all the saga appears just 15 minutes into the game (and THE stronger armor too, for the matter...). I won´t talk about Fallout 1 and the deathclaws killing caravans, one of the hardest quests of the game, cos most people here has probably not even play it, but remember NV and the quarry full of deathclaws...scary place. So, blame Todd Howard, cos the developers could not tell the boss he is a moron and putting all that stuff at the beggining of the game was a stupid idea...😁

[@ChipOnAStick]

My biggest criticism of Deathclaws in FO4 is that they aren't nearly as dangerous as they were in FO3 and NV. They're slow, burly and that serpentine dodge animation just serves as a huge opening to let you get more shots in. Like a lot of the AI in FO4, Deathclaws have pretty bad pathfinding. Couple that with the fact that they no longer leap at you and they become very easy to train or lead on a game of cat and mouse.

[@1th_to_comment.]

They do look kinda badass though

[@xxXXRAPXXxx]

@@1th_to_comment. Oh yea.... especially when you mod them thicc and give them tits. I had a quantum deathclaw only to admire those thighs and tts (i did not know about it but she will attack anyone that is not the player so when i dismissed her to red rocket my companion storage they all attacked her.).

[@ChimpRevolution]

​@1thtocomment. They look awesome but I honestly found the sentry bots much more deadly the death claws were a joke especially coming from New vegas where they shredded you.

[@it2spooky4me79]

​@@ChimpRevolutionOne word, Assaultrons, those things will absolutely insta kill you if you aren't careful.

[@gabrielbarron7667]

​@@ChimpRevolutionhonestly I'm just glad they arent boring as fuck like new Vegas deathclaws, which are just every single other mellee enemy in the game copy paste, with more damage health and hp and one slightly different attack

[@Abroman10]

I gotta disagree with the first one. Any new player won't know where to find more cores, meaning they will have to leave it soon.

[@ButteryGoodnessINC]

I always saw the Power Armor to be a treasure, since in the beginning you're not going to have a bunch of power cores. It's expensive to repair, so you're quite limited with it until later.

[@JustAdude291]

Exactly. The core is always drained by the time I get to sanctuary and I'm usually out of 5 mm ammo for the minigun. It's not so practical to even carry the minigun so early in the game either because it's super heavy and carry weight that early on is super limited. You can't really afford to carry it around unless you wanna run around with no other weapon or clothes. 10 mm and .38 ammo is more of a priority because the 10 mm pistol and pipe weapons you get in the beginning are more practical to be carrying and it's what you're likely to be using. I don't encounter a lot of 5 mm ammo until later on and to me it's not worth spending all my caps on 5 mm ammo.

[@spiceyicey]

This. The armour that it has is barely durable to last the fight, and the power core barely enough charge to get you back to sanctuary. The minigun will probably also run out of ammo during the fight. If you get close enough, then you're gonna meet a 2-3 hit KO even with your power armour

[@CMoore-Gaming]

I regularly play where once I get the power armor I use only power armor there are like 6 power cores within a 1 - 2 min walk of sanctuary not to mention they are too easy to purchase and shockingly cheap. Then the repairs only cost steel and on circuitry. They really should have made power core rarerer and more expensive.

[@spiceyicey]

@@CMoore-Gaming still will take hours upon to get everything, you have to keep spending those hours throughout the playthrough, and you need a ton of prior knowledge

[@slay-r349]

@@spiceyicey you can get 1 fusion core in the location near sanctuary Hills +2 if you can kill the sentry bot.

[@plaguehound1179]

I remember encountering a deathclaw at the super-duper mart while I was still like level 3, random encounters in fallout 3 could fuck you over quick

[@Charles_Anthony]

That area is literally my favorite place in all of Fallout 3. Don't get me wrong, 3 is much better than 4, but that area just felt so good to sneak around in, stealing stuff from the raiders before mowing them down.

[@gibbity-_-7464]

@@Charles_Anthony Especially with immersion mods...

[@nicholaschavez8162]

I got killed by a super mutant with a mini gun immediately after leaving the vault. I pop out, start talking to Talon Company, get threewayed by them and super muties at lvl 2. Never played it again.

[@stfunicc1881]

easy solution would’ve been making the armor and gun “rusty” or “falty” or “broken” power armor and gun. a more nerfed mini gun that breaks after you beat the death claw and messed up power armor

[@Miller_Time]

Power armor and fusion cores. Early in the game I really struggled to keep up with the draining cores

[@Fantafaust]

There are mods to nerf that particular power armor. I think I'll make one to nerf the minigun just BEFORE you kill the deathclaw.

[@That0neDoggo2]

The starting power armor is trash compared to what it is later on, plus the starting armor is damaged and it's the lowest tier of the worst type

[@spiceyicey]

The armour is broken, the few pieces are at under half durability when you get it and the fusion core is only enough to last the fight and maybe get you to red rocket. The cost to repair and the inaccessibility of fusion codes mean the power armour is only useful for this fight, then it goes on the shelf for maybe 8 hours or so at minimum on an average playthrough. The minimum is heavy and has a rare ammunition type especially for early game. Unless you specialise into pack rat and carry virtually nothing, you won't be able to take the gun around nevermind finding enough ammunition to sustain it, especially since the fight with the deathclaw will eat up every last one of those bullets. This fight shows you a fraction of what you can be later in the game before putting you back in the same position you were

[@Fantafaust]

@@spiceyicey nah, still too easy

[@Kazyu]

they should have made the power armor and gun get fused to the armor and have it explode after forcing the player to bail out of it followed by a line from sturges saying "I was expecting a malfunction but not for it to be that catastrophic, glad you're safe though"

[@captainsinclair7954]

In my time playing the game, I always find that the Fusion Core in the armor burns out too fast to make the armor worthwhile in the early game. And the lack of an Ammo workbench makes getting new 5mm ammo a costly one (either through more bullets or caps).

[@dbsommers1]

Agree. When you get to high level there's a perk which increase the longevity of each core long enough I would empty out the Glowing Sea on two. I played the hell out of the game. Those were what I nicknamed 'meat runs' since I had the double meat magazine and the monsters all drop higher grade food.

[@wod5203]

There is only 50/100 energy left in it when you take it from the generator.

[@Orosian5]

I had the problem of Fusion Cores burning out too quickly... until I stopped using VATS and sprinting in power armor.

[@thejuicyorange8526]

I have like 120 fusion cores and idk how the number increase everytime

[@burn8325]

Well I never was short of cores. They’re literally everywhere. Guess you’re just bad

[@PencilKing21]

Coming from someone who’s first introduction into the fallout series was fallout 4: I understand the points made in this video but at least personally I never really experienced the issues discussed. For me, after I got the power armor I walked the settlers back to sanctuary and by the time I was there, I was almost out of my first fusion core. By the time I found my next one I realized how scarce they were and thus regarded the power armor as more of a resource to help me with difficult challenges then something I wore all the time everywhere. With the minigun, it was a similar issue. I had it, but I could never really find enough ammo for it, so I really only ended up using it when I needed to, but when I did it felt really good and gave me a similar adrenaline rush as it did the first time. And for the death claw, As a new player i went into the deathclaw battle and came out of it with a pretty massive fear of deathclaws regardless. The fight was rough for me, two of my pieces or armor were broke and one was in the red, and I was beginning to run low on stimpacks, but I just managed to pull through. I walked away from that fight not thinking “oh yeah I could take those on” but instead “I had all this cool gear and still nearly got my shit rocked”, which I think at least made a far bigger impression on me than if I had simply heard about how dangerous deathclaws were from npcs or setpieces until I was fully ready to fight them head to head.

[@samuraibnr]

Same for me 👍

[@canadaisdecent1635]

I didn’t get the power armour and just killed it with a pipe pistol and a 10mm (I didn’t get the laser musket till later)

[@gavinziozios1431]

I like that from games in general. Where they don't warn you about it constantly, because then when you're geared up and ready to go, the monster you hyped up in your mind is usually underwhelming. I'm in the same boat as you, when I first did it, I didn't walk away from that thinking they were easy. I was absolutely terrified of them. My thought was "I have a total of 30 bullets left, all for the pipe pistol, I'm essentially wearing a metal exoskeleton with limited protection, and I have no healing left. I'm screwed". That's what made my next deathclaw encounter fun, which was at the very end of a hospital. I was not leaving the top of the generator, because the moment I did I knew that thing would be on me like a rabid dog. I peppered it with grenades, explosives, everything I had and still just barely beat it, with super limited resources. It was about when I got my first actually decent melee weapon, which was the power fist from Swan, and started actually learning how perks work

[@garmtpug]

During my very first playthrough I died a number of times to the deathclaw! When it finally died, I felt really proud! And had a real fear of them throughout most of the game!

[@berimb0l076]

I pretty much agree with you but fusion cores are a lot more common than you think, there's a few fairly close to sanctuary and the big one is the very common green ammo boxes have a solid chance to drop 4 at once. If you know where to look and play smart early on you can use the power armor the whole game with no fusion core problems. Which I find to be an issue I usually am sitting at 8 to 16 fusion cores by the time I'm level 10 and that's while wearing the armor the whole time

[@owenkrause1246]

To be fair, once you get the power armor, in ur first play through, finding enough fusion cores to keep you going can be quite aggravating

[@dreadequation7320]

huh? Easy as shit to farm for at the plane crash site along with whatever else in the game you want and it's been that way since day 1. Ran sack area go back to settlement drop off goodies, sleep go back rinse wash repeat.

[@Logan-cg8mn]

@@dreadequation7320 idk who's gonna do all that on their first playthrough of the game tho

[@LJofSpadesTV]

"On your first playthrough." Did you know that on your first playthrough? No you didn't.

[@matejagicza745]

@@LJofSpadesTV i have 400 hours in fallout 4 and i did not know either but i hated the power armor so still not gonna use this information.

[@POTATOEMPN]

What? I always have exactly 99,999. Not sure why you are struggling lol. Obviously a joke, but just making sure you know.

[@niripiri400]

i think the power armor is balanced, as you need fusion cores, and you dont even get a fully charged one, and t45 armor is quite shit

[@twogamingbros2586]

The entire game for me boiled down: *Dies to slightly difficult enemy* "Listen here you little shit" *Teleports to sanctuary* *Hops in power armor* *Teleports back*

[@mikemichael3580]

Power armor is like pulling a shotgun in a pistol duel

[@thiccbiscuit6473]

Play survival difficulty, it's fantastic

[@josevladimiraustria2736]

Am i the only one who doesn’t like to use a power armor. It feels heavy, clunky and bulky. It’s hard to squish to tight space. Besides I’m not used to the HUD of health bar when in power armor.

[@shamanicdude8605]

@@josevladimiraustria2736 The only good part of the power armor is the big ass fullscreen inventory screen.

[@Thunderstruk-fx6sh]

@@josevladimiraustria2736 me to im playing now and have 20 fussion cores and just got my 5th set of power armor

[@flyvalentino9621]

The funny thing is when first i played the game i ran out of cores and couldnt find any so i never used power armor till about when i met the brotherhood and the armor they gave (so I’m saying this did not actually ruin the game for me i died just how the game intended me to die in the harder parts of the map).As for the mini gun that guns trash after the 500 rounds you get you can hardly get ammo for it.

[@Jigamanx2]

I think this is how the devs intended to balance out giving you GOAT armor right away. And that fixing broken power armor is almost impossible at low levels

[@pogzie]

^ THIS. it shows you what YOU CAN BECOME if you maintain your addiction to fuel cells. Imagine a new player having to f-ing grind like FO3 or FO2 just to be reasonably "powerful". FO4 is a damn bait and switch. Its like: "you can become GOD if you keep on playing.. now sniff out where you can get more fuel cells" and then drags you along the story. SURPRISE! THERES EVEN MORE POWERFUL POWER ARMOR MODS!

[@sympunny8636]

@@Jigamanx2 fixing high lvl power armour is difficult at lower lvls. However...fixing t45 power armour which is what they give you, is incredibly easy. Most pieces only requre 4 steel to fully repair, so you can repair the entire suit fully for 27 steel and 1 circuitry, and just in sanctuary alone you should have hundreds of steel. The cores are the main limiting factor, they are around, but only if you know where to find them, whereas the fixing anyone can do.

[@elitereptilian200]

that is the intended experience, its just about giving you a taste of awesome power you get to use regularly later on.. it has just enough core to fight the deathclaw and walk it back to sanctuary, its just if you know what to do, you can load up on cores easily before getting the armor..

[@laughingalex7563]

@@sympunny8636 its funny in a way though, since fusion cores once you know there locations and pick the power armor perk early, you end up with more than enough cores to keep in power armor a majority of the time, only leaving the armor during shopping trips through safe areas.

[@reagansido5823]

One of the weird things about the quest is Sturges not being able to get past a novice lock and a novice terminal. you could have 1 perception and 1 intelligence and you'd still have no problem getting the fusion core, but Sturges? I guess he's literally blind and braindead. it makes even less sense when considering what he does for you in relation to the Institute. deciphering the blueprints for the signal interceptor, breaking the encryption on the institute's data, he, the guy would couldn't hack a novice terminal, kind of just... is able to do all that.

[@chaoscultivist5587]

It's because Sturges is a synth. He's marked as essential but drops a synth component if it's disabled. He's actually there to guide you along the path.

[@PowerTower]

I figured it had been the raiders outside their room keeping them in. Once you clear them out you’re the closest to the door, and Sturges is doing his need shit on that computer that breaks his neck

[@Bozzyverse]

Yeah he was pinned by the raiders then he was outranked by you because you're the main character

[@smokealilsumthin]

Damn never knew this but kinda suspected it

[@ThatKushGuy1]

Best thing about rpg is you play how you want. I never used that shite armour and mini gun. I’ll wear that stuff later in the game for yucks with the jet pack. The games just not as fun to me with that stuff on. Plus all the debuffs on my regular armour pisses me off.

[@-flavz3547]

The only use for power armour is, "Look at my settlement with 100 power armour display cases".

[@tipsy_hog]

About power armor: in FO4 it's insanely costly to use them in early game because of the energy drain. Fusion cores are so unbelievably rare when you first start playing that you can't possibly wear it all the time. It's meant to be kept as a backup to help with things you can't handle

[@Craigadential]

Use the Fusion cores until they only have like 1% energy left, then go sell them. You get pretty solid caps for them, & you get the same amount of caps whether they are 100% full, or 1% left. Also farm purified water & jet, sell those, & buy more fusion cores. You are right though about only using Power Armor as a backup when needed, rather than wearing it all the time.

[@jeffleffbridge7513]

I was going to comment exactly this. Power armor is OP but to a casual player like myself, finding cores was such a hassle that it made it hard to use in the early game. I always saw it as balanced because of this. It wasn't until the late game that I started frequently using power armor.

[@H.W.R.D.717]

Yea my first time I ended up having to ditch mine somewhere on the way to diamond city it was my first time playing a fallout title too so I had fun finding out about the enemy scale 🤣

[@au1317]

Sprinting drains cores WAY faster than just running. Also you have to know where to look for cores early. Granted, neither of these things are easy for a new player to figure out

[@TheTexasDice]

You can find three of them within 3 minutes walking distance from red rocket. Fusion Cores are overly abundant and the "limitation" failed.

[@arellajardin8188]

The mitigating factors for these two powerful items are there, on your first playthrough, at least. For the mini gun, you’re given 500 rounds, and most players will burn through most of that on the deathclaw the first time. Because they don’t know it’s weak spot is it’s stomach. Even if you do conserve ammo, the mini gun eats through ammo quickly, and you’re not replacing it until Diamond City, unless you already know where to get more. The Power Armor is also mitigated by fuel and repairs. Fusion Cores are not plentiful early on, and it is only through lots of play time that we know where to get as many as possible for free in the early areas. Most new players found themselves running out of fuel in the middle of nowhere and barely able to move. Likewise, it only takes a few encounters for bits of the Armor to start breaking. Even if you’re efficient at scrounging up materials, places to repair it aren’t always nearby. Yeah, fast travel can trivialize this issue. But again, for newcomers, that overpowered Armor ends up collecting dust in Sanctuary fairly quickly. Of course, playing the game a few times now, I would be confident in running and maintaining a power armor/heavy gunner build no problem. But the first time? These two items are played with for a short while, then discarded as they became too much hassle.

[@tomgl6684]

Right?! Felt like I was losing my mind watching this. If you'd never played 4 before, you'd walk away from this video thinking it straps you into power armour early on and you can then just waltz around in it for the rest of the game. I have many issues with Fallout 4, but if they had to introduce power armour that early on, they did a good job deterring players from abusing it, I'd say it.

[@esemono1kc995]

I'm over level 200 and didnt know the weak spot was its weak spot. I usually just wack those fuckers tails off and put em down

[@jamesloucks2562]

I agree, it's really only the fact they throw such a legendarily fierce creature at you that I could not stand. The other stuff does NOT last much longer than the fight at Concord. 1 fusion core for a new player isnt going to get them even halfway to Diamond City.

[@sillylilgoose829]

@@esemono1kc995 I blew the cars up to kill it lmao

[@baconsir1159]

I had zero problems with fusion cores in my first run. They give you another in the Brotherhood of Steel quest (which is hard not to stumble into on your way to Diamond city) and I’m pretty sure they sell them in Diamond city. I never paid any mind to it after said Brotherhood quest and was still overflowing with them by the late game.

[@TRAILLER]

I visited the Massachusetts State House. There is a hallway there with a special floor animation the first time you visit.

[@opgkoyote7989]

I never use the armor. It makes you so slow, and as said in other comments having to find fusion cores, along with using one up makes you feel like you’re consuming an invaluable commodity in the game, the armor just isn’t worth it until you’re in the harder, more radioactive areas. I only use it when it’s absolutely necessary

[@federicobellavista634]

Well, when is it "necessary"? In the Glowing Sea, you can use the Hazmat suit and solve your radioactive issue. Power Armor is NEVER necessary. It becomes necessary if you build around it. For an Agility/Perception based character, Power Armor does more harm than good. For a Strenght melee/heavy weapons character, such as mine, it's an invaluable asset. Besides, in late game, you come across quite a lot of fusion cores...

[@JustAdude291]

@@federicobellavista634 well that's exactly what I and plenty of others are saying as well, that you don't come across a lot of fusion cores until later in the game. It's not really practical early on because scarcity of fusion cores. You wouldn't wanna use it if your core is almost drained and have to ditch it somewhere in the middle of a quest. He's not wrong in that it's slow and clunky and not practical, at least until later when you need it traveling south of the map. I didn't have any hazmat suit, caps were scarce for me at that time so I used the power armor in the glowing sea. I frankly agree with opg koyote because only using it when absolutely necessary is what I tend to do too. If you truly thought about it, necessary is when the area you're traveling to, or enemies you'd be fighting would otherwise be way too OP for you to handle at a particular time.

[@federicobellavista634]

@@JustAdude291 Not really. I mean, as I said, what necessary means is defined by the build. For a melee, strenght focused character, Power Armor is one of the most powerful tools you can obtain and use. Even enemies who aren't particularly challenging are still quite the pain when you have to get in their faces to deal damage, because they can (potentially) do WAY more damage to you before you can hit them. Power Armor helps in solving/mitigating that issue.

[@shanetoulouse2697]

Never had issues with fusion cores. Just need to know how to use skill tree. And know how to haggle each vendor.

[@dragonl0l]

And even in the harder areas the armor already became obsolete as if you are for some reason going to the glowing sea for example you probably started one of the quests to go there. You probably even have BOS power armor already.

[@meltingatom]

I liked the power armor and mini gun fight, I walked away with a nearly destroyed armor, out of mini ammo, and quickly draining core . I wet back to sanctuary, and stored it for when I have another core

[@ominousromanpillar238]

I feel like that's what alot of people miss. That if you are a new player this is a fight where you can die and where if you don't understand the deathclaw mechanics it's still a hard fight.

[@renaldoawesomesauce1654]

@@ominousromanpillar238 You're right but that's still no excuse for such a shitty plot device to have a baby player instantly kill a ferocious beast like a deathclaw within the first few minutes of the game. It's incredibly out of place and they easily could have made the same thing a challenge just with an abundance of raiders or something like that. Treating the most lore menacing creature as a tutorial boss is insulting to their own IP.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@ominousromanpillar238I feel like you're completely missing the point of the criticism. You're killing what is supposed to be the strongest normal enemy in the game instantly, you receive one the strongest armors and weapons in the game, and the only case where you lose those items are if you're completely new to FPSes. Play the game on the hardest difficulty and tou can still easily get out of the fight with the majority of a fusion core (even extra cores as you can get 1 or 2 on the way to concord), a mini gun with a good amount of ammo as there are also 5,56 drops on the way, and you understand that you're basically invincible as you've just killed the hardest enemy in prior games. It's like starting Skyrim with enchanted daedric armor and an OP shout and the only limit is shout "power" and enchantment power and you fight a high tiered dragon that has so many animations that it's basically impossible for it to fight back.

[@AmphetaminisedGavid]

@@Jiub_SN i've probably spent an hour or two on freedom calls :p

[@tominieminen66]

It's so annoying that early quest means the minigun is basically useless after leveling up Heavy guns that are better than the minigun are pretty damn rare and you don't get a replacement for the minigun easily, I have over 300 hours mostly purely exploring in F4 and I STILL did not find a replacement for it Also makes speccing for heavy guns feels like a waste since you can't even upgrade the minigun to be good Even when you have the gun nut and all other weapon tuning skills maxed out the minigun simply can't keep up Since they both have been sitting outside for ages they could have made them become unusable after fighting the deathclaw or maybe even during that fight Who knows? Since I have mostly focused on pure exploration maybe you get a better heavy gun in some quest that others got sooner to since they did more of them

[@chriskoloski32]

Fallout 3 always felt like it had a weirdly huge difficulty spike if you took on the quest "Those!" One minute you're helping moira by getting some food and medicine, the next you're saving a kid from killer fire breathing ants that take way too long to kill.

[@femmemachete]

That's why whenever I walk near Super Duper Mart or anywhere near Bryan Wilkes, I keep my gun out so I can take potshots at the kid. Never gets old.

[@madeleinesmith3062]

I agree, the first time I played that quest I blew through almost all my aid and ammo, completely took me off guard. Such a weird hike in difficulty

[@tallmex7183]

That's what happened to me lmao

[@BigCowProductions]

The amount of backtracking while laying down mines gives me ptsd hahaha

[@kyleellis1825]

Did you shoot the antennas and make them kill each other? Because I had a way easier time than my roommates did.

[@suxix7312]

Fallout games look so cool and look so fun to play. Then I see someone trying to fight an enemy and the enemy character just moves to clunky and slow and none of it looks natural. So I've never played one of these games at all.

[@burneshortliver2161]

If power armour being handed to me very early in fallout 4 is an issue, then it's very convenient how I only used it to complete When Freedom Calls and then didn't use it again until the glowing sea quest lmao 💀👍

[@analdevastation1088]

Yeah same, couldn't afford the fusion cores

[@wintertech7723]

Same here, when I first played FO4 on my old xbox I did exactly that as well!

[@tablet2820]

Same

[@drlukas4242]

Honestly I was too scared to waste the fusion cores so I only used it for the glowing sea and the final quest.

[@PinkWytchBytch]

I didn’t even use it for the glowing sea, I used a hazmat and rad chems for that part

[@nowthatscrazy]

Honestly, i never found myself able to use the Minigun or Power Armor for the first 4-5 hours of a new save, due to the Fusion Core and Ammo limitations. Even then i couldn't consistently use Power Armor for a while still, it's something i would pull out for the big encounters. I get your point, but having the Power Armor available and looking forward to actually being able to use it was a huge motivation boost the first time i played the game.

[@timmc619]

I agree with you completely. Yes you get the armor and minigun but when you're new to the game you don't know where fusion cores and 5mm ammo are anyway. Realistically you end up with pipe weapons and leather armor after you get back to Sanctuary. The game done this way kept me playing because I knew I had this armor and it drove me to explore so I could get it up and running.

[@Menace_To_Society-_-]

Thought I was the only one even during my first run I used the power armor once seen the fusion core was low and dropped it off before going to diamond city

[@en4135]

It's incredibly easy to find both Minigun ammo and Fusion cores in FO4, I'd say 60% of interiors have them and the Northern area you start in has multiple spawns for them miniguns also become fairly common around Boston which makes it easy to find ammo for free. Overall if you explore liberally, as most Fallout players do, and conserve minigun ammo you could probably make it to Boston without ever taking your power armor off and without ever running out of Minigun ammo. The drive to be able to more liberally use your power armor is something the games own pacing destroys almost immediately with how many Fusion Cores it gives you it's another layer of what makes that scene disappointing because it makes you realize that what you have isn't as special or rare as you might think. For the price of maybe 2 or 3 hours of exploring you can get multiple sets of power armor and a half dozen fusion cores without ever facing an enemy over level 10, plus you have a Minigun to facilitate making that exploration easier.

[@timmc619]

@En it's easy to find those things if you're a veteran player but as a new player to the franchise who knows nothing about fallout, it provides more of an incentive to keep playing and exploring. I get that it sucked for the vets maybe, but I had never touched the game before so the power armor was useless after that first mission until I began to understand the mechanics of the game. Now that I'm a vet I don't even use power armor but when I was a noob it was basically necessary.

[@Jell-o-cide]

Maybe its true, but I just left power armor in red rocket and didnt give a shit about it later, since no one can force me to wear it and I dont really enjoy being forced to constantly look for specific items.

[@superscatboy]

"Grab that laser musket and help us, please!" So you're saying I should grab that laser musket, go to the Drumlin Diner, kill a drug dealer, sell the laser musket, buy ammo for better weapons, and come back later? Got it. See you in a few weeks, funny hat man.

[@q.q.p.p]

I think the laser musket is one of the coolest fallout guns and its got better damage than the other options at that level.

[@tuxxyy1]

What's that? "Climb to the roof using the Church, power up the armor using the Fusion Core you already got from Red Rocket, and take the armor and minigun, leaving us to hang out in this church until you're level 45 or so?" Sounds like a plan!

[@youthanizeme]

For raw damage the fully cranked laser musket is actually near the top of early game weapons.

[@Gorbz]

Don't know if it is still in the game, but you used to be able to take the ammo, leave the musket, leave the area for a bit, and the ammo would respawn

[@KhaoticKatarin]

You brought up getting the power armor in fallout 3, and I have to say it's pretty easy to beeline for it, I'm usually in power armor by level 6. The issue with getting the stuff that early in 3 is more attached to getting ammo for the gauss rifle, as it does not drop early on.

[@novaiscool1]

Personally I would have put the Power Armor at the Cambridge police station, and then upped the level of the attack happening there. Maybe go from ghouls to super mutants, and then ad in either a behemoth or if that would be to much a named mutant boss of some description that's significantly stronger than normal.

[@jacobtuell3157]

Honestly thought the first full set of complete Power Armor was tied into the Brotherhood of Steel quest line.

[@Dr._Elysium295]

I would have just made it so the t60 you get from the bos is your first set.

[@rubenlopez3364]

@@Dr._Elysium295 Only they should use other suits than T-60, especially for low ranks

[@beelzebub7221]

I agree honestly, I think a more difficult and rewarding cambridge fight would have been much better than just "get the power armor, save the glorified history buffs." A cooler battle like with the behemoth in FO3 would have been much more reasonable and enjoyable than going 1V1 against a deathclaw with near endgame loot at lv 2

[@theandychrist2599]

That would kinda just feel like Fallout 3 again

[@ZergrushEddie]

What bugs me most about this quest is that it had a great enemy already: Gristle. Had they just made Gristle A LOT more scary, you've got your boss fight. Jeez, make him REALLY SCARY like breaking through Power Armor with his bare hands and make him drop a synth component and it would be a boss fight that also introduces the fact that synthetic people are out there, and they are dangerous. Means that when you get to DC and see Kyle pulling a gun, you can understand why people would be terrified of synths.

[@nerdpocalyptic]

now i want to mod this in

[@weplo1597]

Give him power armor as well.

Why don't you work for Bethesda that's an amazing concept

[@mikoto7693]

That’s actually a great idea. They could have made Grouse really dangerous and intimidating instead of a Deathclaw. Put him in a custom raider power armour with you needing your own set just to equal him. He’s tough-maybe kills a Yao-Guai or a rad scorpion or a pack of feral ghouls in front of you. And script the power armour to run out of energy when the battle with Grouse ends. You can retrieve it later of course. That way you get a taste of power armour without outright getting it immediately. And perhaps a synth chip would drop, explaining his strength and making Synth enemies seem scary later on.

[@musclegeek1991]

Or even just give him power armor. Why is the first power armored raider we meet some nameless dude in Lexington?

[@doodtheman2508]

Honestly I probably would have just had the virtabird hanging off of the building, have the fusion core power the virtabird, and then have a mounted turret section where you mow down a couple waves of raiders.

[@bacchus9579]

Agreed

[@sidguy129]

I just sprinted to diamond city and sold my minigun to get a legendary piece of armour

[@sidguy129]

with the power armour, I just wasted all the battery, which lasted me till partway to diamond city

[@josephbrian4518]

100% agree. I'd rather it had been a defective/damaged power armor that was on the verge of blowing up. Maybe a few lines of dialogue telling you to hurry up & ditch it before it went up in flames. It would have given you a taste of power armor for LATER in the game.

[@aaronwood2068]

Exactly, maybe a defective fusion core that would blow up like a mini nuke and scripted to happen just after finishing off the deathclaw. Or that could be an option to take it out. Ditch the suit and use the explosion to finish off the FEV mutation.

[@2-bitto]

Another solution is the power core overheating and fusing with the frame, rendering the armor unusable.

[@squish162]

New players, including myself, don't have enough fusion cores on them to keep the thing going. It teaches you the importance of fusion cores and you get to have a little bit of fun the power armor before you have to ditch it. Maybe I play differently than others, but I didnt start using power armor consistantly until I had like 15 cores on me.

[@aaronwood2068]

@@squish162 it eventually teaches the importance of all your resource management. You'll need tons of iron and pretty much every other kind of metal, especially for upgrades and mods and the higher tier suits available later in the game. These things can eat up more matts than a settlement

[@HonestGhost21]

It would have been cool if they redid the power armour tinkering as well. Make it so you need a few levels of the armourer perk too repair and modify your armour. Then after the armour you get breaks down, you would get a sidequest to repair it which would either be done by finding a skilled mechanic or levelling up armourer to be able to make the repairs yourself. For this too work, there would have to be way less power armours out and about in the world or make them broken down as well. The taste of power is a great thing as it gives you clear goal to strive towards and look forward too, so I definitely think the idea between the scenario in the game is good. Just poor execution.

[@barrygeistwhite3474]

They felt comfortable giving you the Power Armor early on because the Fusion Cores were supposed to be the limiting factor. The idea was that you couldn't just tramp about the Commonwealth in your human-shaped tank because you wouldn't necessarily be able to keep it fueled. And if the cores were less common that might have worked, but as soon as you realize the general traits that signify the presence of a Fusion Core (industrial or military area, brightly-lit power station) it becomes trivial to run that thing forever. Nevermind that there is another suit every quarter mile or so and a decent chance that each one has a fully topped-up core.

[@Agent-Tim]

My first playthrough of 4 once I got the power armor I never left it because of how easy it is to get more cores by just exploring not to mention the amount of enemies and random power armor lying around that has fusion cores. The hardest part of it is managing the weight of all the fusion cores.

[@astr0cade]

Im starting to run low on fusion cores in survival mode and because of no fast travel, you dust through the cores like they’re nothing, and it’s actually giving me incentive to go hunting for them soon as the power armour at the stage I’m at in the game is just totally needed because I’m still getting mauled by glowing mole rats 😭

[@HenryOfGnarlia]

​@@astr0cadethis. Nobody ever considers survival mode. Anything other than survival is pretty much just story mode.

[@Gwynbleidd_117]

While true that doesn’t take away the fact that they are a limiting factor. Yes when you level up and get those perks and money enough to buy them and earn them in other ways, then they become trivial but I mean what Bethesda game can you not become powerful quick if you know how. None of them. So why not play on hard instead of whine about it? Silly video imo.

[@shogunpug4071]

Never get into game design. Or become head of the dev team for bethesda. Those are your options ​@@Gwynbleidd_117

[@AmbiguouslyGray]

I think the intent was exactly my experience: You get a taste of the power available to you mid to late game (often happens at the start of many games) through the set piece, but the scarcity prevents them from being something you can depend on early on. Sure if your on your 100th, 500th, or 1000th hour you've got every item located, probably tons of mods, and more that makes these items usable or even obsolete near the start of your playthrough. But gor a new player, (or even one starting only a second or third play through) power cores and minigun ammo are going to be very rare and hard to come by in early levels. That is the balancing factor. You get these powerful items to show off what is available, but essentially have to park them until you've progressed further.

[@theicebutcher1314]

14:35 it’s still fun for me because I never use the mini gun because I’m scared I’ll run out of ammo, and fusion cores are difficult to get so I only use power amour for glowing sea

[@dragonl0l]

Ummm. How long did you play fallout 4?

[@joshuabauer591]

with the right skills, you can basically run around in power armor 100% of the time. from the start...

[@dragonl0l]

@@joshuabauer591 but 90% of the time its just better to dump the armor and gun

[@Rubyisabelsandoval]

How are you guys getting all these fusion cores so early on?

[@dragonl0l]

@@Rubyisabelsandoval they probably aren't. Its just the 9 dudes who have played the game for years that keep saying that the quest is too easy and you get an OP armor at the start. Even tho the armor is literally the worst power armor you can get and minigun ammo runs out tol fast. And fusion cores are actually pretty hard to find until higher levels

[@ShadowsOfTheSky]

Imagine, as you and the Minutemen are moving to take the castle, right outside you find a rusty T-45, kneeling in the dirt, missing an arm. Preston Walks up to it, and says some cool line. A full fusion core is on the body of a man lying next to the armor, the body of the person who last wore it. You get this awesome piece of iconic armor, just in time for the castle. Suddenly, the Mirelurk Queen comes, and you have a great piece of armor for one of the harder fights in the game, and one you weren’t expecting. I thought it would be clearing out a bunch of small creatures, then suddenly the 2nd most powerful enemy* in the game crawls out of the ocean and attacks. Would have been a way better set piece, and felt much more deserved. Maybe a legendary laser musket on the ground too, to have a weapon to go with the armor. But no, the pacing was ruined. *I say “second,” I think alpha and legendary death laws are harder, but regular deathclaws and behemoths are easier than Queens, but this is by far the most powerful enemy you’ve fought so far, and probably will be for a while, unless you happened to encounter Swan unprepared.

[@maxgb2000real]

Swan is really easy, pop a rad-x and just do circles around the irradiated gazebo.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Maybe even have the suit come with the Minute Man paint, gives it a reason for it being there.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@maxgb2000real not even needed, I killed him at level 8 with a full auto pipe gun with a dum mag by keeping a tree between me and him. I kinda just kept peppering him until he went down.

[@abigailhowe8302]

@@maxgb2000real Swan's a little harder when you're totally surprised and not geared for a prolonged fight XD doesn't help if you get distracted by the fact that he's so *STYLISH* for a SMB lol

[@Ironslayer92]

I think the Fallout 4 introduction to power armor would have been better if it would have been just the frame and then you would be tasked to find the actual pieces for it.

[@batti591]

Or tied to the Glowing Sea main story quests

[@dr.3998]

If you get the mod "some assembly required" it will only give you the chest piece, along with making power armor parts extremely rare. (to the point that there is only 2 or so sets of X-01 in base game.)

[@cmb9173]

@@dr.3998 makes sense tbh, i don't get why bethesda added so many spawn locations for randomized leveled power armor pieces, after all you can repair them for cheap and they have a ton of durability.

[@dr.3998]

@@cmb9173 oh yeah, they also changed a few more things. There are now perk requirements to repair power armor. Raider power armor just requires armorer 1, all the way up to X-01 requiring maxed armorer, maxed science, and maxed nuclear physicist. In order to balance a bit more because power armor is so restricted it is a bit more powerful.

[@cmb9173]

@@dr.3998 sounds pretty neat, i'll make sure to check it out in my next playthrough

[@VurThePerson]

Bro when you ran away from the Deathclaw to reload and he was just RIGHT THERE 😭

[@Monsuco]

I always thought the fact that they gave you a 10 mm pistol right at the start was a little much too. Not as big of a balance problem as the deathclaw and minigun but it does ensure the player will never even experiment with pipe weapons because they're given a better gun than that right at the start.

[@chickencurry420]

I think the idea was supposed to be that they would give you a 10mm pistol at the beginning (like in Fallout 3) but ammo is very limited. Then you find pipe guns that take all kinds of ammo and use those until you stockpile enough 10 to rely on it again. Not saying that's how it worked but I think that's how it was supposed to work.

[@TheMrMe1]

To be fair, with the Courier's Stash DLC in New Vegas, you not only get a 10mm but also a grenade launcher the moment you start the game

[@Clooger-]

​@TheMrMe1 Yeah, but that's DLC, and even the developers themselves said it wasn't balanced so they recognized the mistake. There's actually a mod that Sawyer himself made which moves them around the Mojave.

[@fireheart8878]

@@TheMrMe1 To be fair, I ended up using most of my grenade ammunition pretty quickly after those random damn viper gang attack groups would randomly jump me and slaughter me in the early game. Especially once I started murdering the legion, without those grenades an attack by one of those patrols would have effectively softlocked me.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

​@@Clooger-So actually making them stashes? Nice.

[@belinskiparadox7687]

This feels like a stark contrast of New Vegas' starting hours, where you can confront a deathclaw by taking the road to New Vegas that goes by Quarry Junction, but in New Vegas, you are definitely not going to survive that fight.

[@edim108]

Yup. In New Vegas the Deathclaw is basically the game saying "where you going stoopid!". It's meant to deter you from going that way, not something devs realistically want you to face.

[@VIVc-art]

I cleared the whole thing out , wasnt easy but this is still a bethesda open world game all it took is just some time bro. All i had is whatever junk weapon and ammo i found on the way was a couple hours in the game. You guys be talking about difficulty as if there could ever be one.

[@lifeasparty4]

@@VIVc-artI wished obsidian entertainment had a alot more time think what would they be capable of I think they would made a whole new combat system more tougher like fallout 1 and 2 I like to think that hardcore was a beta for what actually the game could have been

[@CAlex-fn7vt]

U can clear quarry with relative ez just get on top of an object where the death claws can’t reach you

[@sirisaacthestraight]

To be fair, most early level Deathclaw fights are still pretty much unwinnable. The only reason the very first fight is winnable is due to the power armor and the minigun you’re given

[@deathtooglobalists6891]

The monster that always freaked me out in this game is the woman robot that shoots that red ray out of her eye ball. I actually feel adrenaline run through my veins every time I saw it.

[@mrkiky]

Nothing makes you shiver like a bunch of blood bugs following you relentlessly though. That spells certain death way too often early on.

[@psychobillyjim9962]

Assultrons scare me too. I'll only fight one in power armor.

[@dizzydial8081]

Assaultrons and SentryBots make me pause when I see them more than any enemy.

[@maxwellbarnhart1375]

@@psychobillyjim9962 yeah the assaultrons also just have this very creepy looking walk. It's a little uncanny in my opinion. And their attacks are visually intense too. Especially the laser. *But most of all* they can fight without legs. They will crawl at you. And that's always super creepy.

[@omenx3589]

I just shoot and say things like “I should be scared” later

[@Demon-qc1ye]

I’ve never really used power armour when playing fallout 4 tbh. I’d collect any that I’d see, but never actually use it in any battles. Mainly because I found that it was quite rare for me to find any cores, and that even if I did find one it would usually waste away relatively quickly if I used it. So I just wore heavy combat armour instead, apart from the right arm anyway, could never find that.

[@danielsiii4235]

Usually I just hoard like 34 fusion cores via looting ammo boxes, and and a single fusion core lasts around 20 minutes.

[@Rnjesus386]

I remember that I didn’t use them Much until I got towards the end game with my BoS play through, I had my almost max upgraded BoS power armor and some legendary Gatling laser with like 50 cores on me and even more cores waiting in my settlement 😂

[@saxon.s9330]

I have at least 600 fusion cores lying around somewhere in one of my settlements i go straight the the castle just to use it as a settlement i also collect power armor but i don't use it im more of sniper

[@LukiferGaming05]

The “I’m not saying they should nerf the power armor… it’s fucking power armor” is the best way to put it.

[@LukiferGaming05]

All they need to do is tweak the mission a little bit till where you lose the armor and mini, like right before you kill the deathclaw it cuts to its takedown animation and like Preston walks up and headshots it something that simple to where they don’t need to nerf anything but more like give you a taste of what’s to come.

[@lavandereisly4194]

Personally, I would have loved to see you lose the fight against the deathclaw and in a cutscene, it rips the power armor apart, Preston takes its eye out which is enough for it to retreat, and then you find it again later and get to kill the thing that almost killed you now that you're more powerful.

[@andreaszetterstrom7418]

I like this, it solves so many problems. It let's you use the power armor early on, and make you feel like a badass against the human enemies, the minigun can be made stronger, and at the end the power armor is taken away from you again preventing further power creep. It also still keeps the deathclaw as a very hard enemy which is not to be defeated at level 5.

[@cortniesmith3138]

Watching someone using a minigun in the early levels has opened my eyes. I’ve played countless play throughs of this game but I always feel park my armour at sanctuary and put away the mini gun. Because the power core is usually empty at the end of the first quest

[@PeterParker-oi8ps]

I'm pretty sure that's why they introduced the system of fusion cores. I recently finished new vegas for the first time after playing fo4 countless times and I have to agree, deathclaws in the other games are wild. I first got power armour after raising my reputation with ncr to unlock the safe house which is quite a lengthy process. But unless you're looking up fixed fusion core locations then you would have trouble finding them (or I did). Also 5mm ammo is found on higher level super mutants and raiders making it hard to find ammo early into the game, sort of forcing you to use early guns like the 10mm and pipe weapons.

[@mikiessj4]

yea I came looking for this comment... they do hand you a really strong armor but it's running off a limited battery... and they do hand you a really strong gun but good luck finding enough ammo to feed that beast in a meaningful way. I always kept the armor and minigun stashed at my base until later levels when I could keep it "fueled' so to speak. It never felt imbalanced to me.

[@RedFloyd469]

Also, that's not power armor that the ncr is using, it's "salvaged" power armor. Basically, the inferior version of ACTUAL power armor. NCR stripped apart the good stuff to gain more mobility, sacrificing protection in the process. (that said, the SPA is actually as heavy as regular PA, so it makes very little sense to do this regardless.) It also means that the NCR has no idea how to have the power armor actually function as it should. Brotherhood members don't "feel" the weight of the armor on them, but ncr soldiers do. "Feels like carrying a brahmin on your back" -some NCR guy. Because NCR couldn't figure out how the fusion reactors worked and how to properly train for power armor, they just removed the parts that hindered it and sacrificed quality for it. Now, SPA is still pretty strong for mid-game, but that's also why it fits so well. Once you reach end-game, SPA is obsolete and either Brotherhood PA or Remnant PA becomes the go-to heavy armor. (That said, I prefer light-medium armor over SPA, any day. The extra few DT are less valuable to me than travelling speed and inventory weight.) Not to mention that the SPA gets outclassed by the desert ranger armor and Riot gear from the DLC's. Better or equal protection for less weight and no drawbacks. As for the video: I think the issue here is less about balancing the game, and more about action vs reward. Fallout 4 rewards you with power armor and a strong weapon very early on, for incredibly menial tasks. Once the fusion core runs out and the 5mm ammo is gone, you'll realize you won't be getting that power fantasy for a while, and the major driving force behind improving yourself for that power trip is now obsolete. The only thing you can do is try and get that power trip AGAIN later down the line. Compare this to, say, new vegas, where getting to end-game, getting power armor, and getting some badass weapons along the way (think the Anti-materiel rifle, Gauss rifle, etc...) actually turns you into an unstoppable force, a just reward for all the hard work.

[@MsMoonDragoon]

Deathclaws in other games are more dangerous, but in FO4 they look and move leagues better. in older games they simply just look goofy. the only reason they where feared is because of their stats.

[@vesstig]

Fusion cores and the whole power armour system is janky at best. The brother hood is entirely side lined and removes the old requirements which made the progression actually feel earned. As supposed to a lame battery and armour you can find literally anywhere In 4 or 76

[@schism5398]

@@RedFloyd469EXACTLY. This is why I feel like New Vegas is so much better than 4. It takes time and effort to get all the cool stuff. At the start, levels 1-7ish, you're just a basic wastelander with a slightly higher skill at one thing than everyone else. I usually chase guns, sneak, and barter right off the rip. By level 12, I'm sniping, taking enemies down at close quarters with ease, and all the ammo and repairs are cheap. It just makes sense to make the player earn everything.

[@7Seven-Four4]

You're really overthinking this. The minigun isn't very powerful, its ammo is not common enough to justify carting it around early game, the power armor starts in rough enough shape that it can feasibly lose a piece or two during the encounter you acquire it, and fusion cores aren't so casually accumulated by new players. It's a boon to heavy gunner and/or power armor builds who know what they are doing, but newbies are going to wear out the little power spike long before they even reach Diamond City.

[@TheNattyManCan]

The best replacement I could think of would've been to give you just an empty power armor shell, and the over the next bunch of story quests you could receive pieces as rewards to fill out the armor. I'm fine with the minigun, maybe with less ammo. Blasting the hell out of the deathclaw was incomparably epic at the time.

[@peterclarke7240]

Or a questline that involved finding a companion who could gradually repair it for you if you found the right parts and schematics. Make using power armour an essential part of the main quest (like the Glowing Sea bits, or taking on the Institute) and you've got the one thing that Fallout 4 lacks: player motivation.😂 Sadly, they went with the usual "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle" approach to the open-world formula, so you've got no real reason to do anything unless you're forced to.

[@shamanicdude8605]

@@peterclarke7240 I like that power armor is an optional tool.Power Armor is too overpowered for early game and not fun to use late game unless you're built for it.Also,if I make a vats build,the smaller vats friendly guns looks so stupid in comparison to the powerarmor.I kinda love it cause its silliness but it's still silly.

[@peterclarke7240]

@@shamanicdude8605 True... And the introduction to power armour does force you into looting and branching out your searches to find the materials you need to upgrade it. I do just think it could have been implemented better- armourers and gunsmiths, as I say, would be the obvious choice to keep you moving forward, but instead they went with the perk system. Personally, I wish more vendors had a purpose other than for generating caps that you'll never use unless you're using automatic guns or are heavily into the largely pointless settlement-building system. If they actually sold mods, particularly legendary mods, rather than you being able to unlock them or forced to find them off enemies, I think that would be a better driver of the story. Don't get me wrong, I do like the game (I'm currently playing a brotherhood/Fuck Shaun playthrough).

[@shamanicdude8605]

@@peterclarke7240 Yeah,there's a lot wrong with the game,a lot of thing they could have done differentbut it's still a fun game to play.There's a lot of love put into the world even if the story is lackluster.

[@slar811]

There is a mod that does this quite well. Some Assembly Required changes the level list distribution of power armor and cuts their prevalence while increasing their effectiveness. So the result is when you find enough pieces to make a full suit, its actually worth it. It also changes the power armor you receive at the start to be a damaged piece of T45 on an empty frame. Needless to say, if you approach the Deathclaw with this mod like you would in Vanilla, you're going to be torn to ribbons.

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

after the initial "oh, this power armor is sick" moment I think every fallout veteran was irritated by having it just handed to you in the first hour of the game.

[@spacecowboy1438]

Ya, none of the loot felt like a relic untold value found in unique places, just generic end of dungeon steamer trunks. I will always judge Fallout exploration by the quality of Fort Constantine in Fo3

[@brycekrispiez714]

Very factual. Plus being able to use it with seemingly no training is a bit annoying as well. It’s a bit more excusable with the male character given his military experience but it’s never stated that he even received power armor training and it’s even more dumb with the female character who was a lawyer

[@codyauclair1634]

Ya I mean I gave it up right after

[@vastos2587]

@@brycekrispiez714 I mean it does kinda make sense. The lone survivor is a pre war soldier/veteran. I assumed he would have that training lore wise. Also the power armor training really annoyed me, especially in Fo3 where you'd only get it in the last few missions

[@tebelel7150]

@@vastos2587 laughs in operation anchorage

[@t3hb0ss]

you forgot the most important detail of getting the power armor that early: you only get one fusion core and dont have the ability to obtain one until much later or you have to find one you already know about in a high level area

[@aaronwood2068]

But there's several fusion cores and even another set of PA in the immediate vicinity of Santuary.

[@windhelmguard5295]

correction: you get a fusion core that is already half drained by that point.

[@t84t748748t6]

the sewer where that deadclaw comes out of got a fusion core and literly every location around you got at least 1 fusion core

[@GTGTRIK]

I usually have two of them by the time I get to the library. Just gotta explore a little.

[@peger]

You can get few FC if you decide explore surrounding areas.

[@Fuzzatron3000]

So Salem is marked as level 15-20 but it's heatmap colours make it level 50. What's the deal? Did you put any thought into the diagram?

[@silentstormur9184]

My girlfriend, who did game design as a job for a while, was talking about how the power armour and Deathclaw could be part of the “rise and fall” style of gameplay. It’s designed to get you pumped and cocky to get you to make mistakes down the line because of that high, leading to your downfall. It’s a kinda cheap but interesting way of making enemies difficult to quite a few people without scaling.

[@jakeforgey5378]

Least Bethesda didn't pull what Gnehsin did with the Fatui Soldiers being HP tanks matching most bosses, and getting rather annoyingly large hp shield abilities...

[@youknowwhoelsecantthinkofagood]

I guess. But it just doesn’t feel tonally right for the setting. Basically, a guy/gal wakes up from a 200 year nap after narrowly escaping a nuke and witnessing his or her son go missing. Twenty minutes later, they have a minigun, a suit of military-grade armor, and 30+ confirmed kills. It makes the apocalypse feel like a minor inconvenience.

[@yallbugin]

They balanced that with fusion cores and scarce ammo. 5mm is uncommon like most big gun ammo. 2mm, railroad spikes, etc. Same with fusion cores even if you play on easy and you defeat the deathclaw while it's roaring, the hike to DC would probably have you abandoning the armor outside the gate. Also the Fatuus are a cake walk compared to Abyss mages. Take out the hydro healer first then opposite elements for those with shields.

[@anonymousapproximation8549]

​@@youknowwhoelsecantthinkofagoodActing like the armor isn't busted to shit by the end, the battery basically dead, and fuck all ammo left in the mini gun. Unless you're in easy difficulty, you're not using any of them after that fight.

[@pascalthecurator3368]

@@anonymousapproximation8549 none of which combats the tone problems that have already been set. might not be used after the fight, but the fight did still happen that way, which is the problem.

[@micahphilson]

Actually, taking your perspective into account, they could have had the minutemen sally out alongside you to face the deathclaw and maybe even the raiders. Thinking about it, that's a way cooler idea, and it really gives you a reason to actually like and side with the minutemen! It doesn't make you feel like as much of a badass, but it's great character development, gives you many (unkillable) allies to take down the deathclaw, and cements it as an enemy out of your league, making it all the more badass when you take one down solo later on!

[@Baldor493]

The catch is... there is only one... Preston.

[@jacthing1]

He could of at least shot at it like he did the raiders when you first get there...

[@semanel2472]

But he does shot it

[@kooldragon95]

Honestly, especially for preston, this could have been a huge setpiece moment for him as well. If i remember, Preston himself states he can lead people in battle, but the general needs to be something more. This could have been the perfect moment to show him leading people in battle- having him order someone to throw a grenade as a distraction, and- as you said- cements the deathclaw as something that needed multiple people under a strong commander with high-tech assistance in order to take down (maybe alongside other people's comments where the suit becomes unusable somehow at the end, maybe to be repaired later, and has the minigun caught in its grip)

[@captainbeatdown6254]

I remember when I first played this mission, I thought that they were going to take it away some how but I was surprised I got power armor so fast, only issue was i couldn't power it and i never had ammo for the mini gun. So I just built things all day

[@rokit0402]

The power armour early on is made fine as you barely get any fusion cores until much later

[@cycy6484]

Also, I forgot to add, new players to the franchise would have a different reaction than the rest of us. Deathclaw has potential to scare the crap out of a new player, especially if you overuse the minigun and face a deathclaw with almost full health up close. That is probably the reaction they were going for. Then you realize you can take the hits but you need to still have ammo for this battle. First playthrough, I definitely ran out of ammo and had to kill the deathclaw another way. I also only learned about deathclaws' higher DR to energy weapons later.

[@tyriekovco711]

same i ran out of the mini gun and had to use a pipe pistol haha

[@destroyeralex6627]

I literally killed it by just repeatedly stabbing it with a switchblade in unpowered power armor

[@nuone_9636]

​@@destroyeralex6627 imagine easy, touch grass

[@chadnorris8257]

I actually died to the Deathclaw in my first playthrough. It was dark, I didn't know I had a flashlight feature, and that thing knew how to evade the bullet stream from my gun. I've gotten better, though.

[@anttitenhunen4725]

Funny how this was never an actual problem to me as I just left the power armor to Sanctuary right after killing the deathclaw along with minigun. I just love the thrill and sneaking in the early game, fearing for your life and power armor just felt boring and clunky, so I didn't want to use it until the Glowing sea, where it is basically a must :D

[@martijnbosman2233]

Couldn't have said it better.

[@cokebudd]

i always used a hazmat suit and sprinted through the glowing see with endurance 10 lol

[@krogerman83a]

i always left the armor where i found it on the roof with the minigun in the toolbox next to it and forget about it lol

[@JohnZombi88]

Early power armor is a death trap on survival of you get grouped up on by ferals or stronger wildlife.

[@darylrogers8749]

Power armor is fine to collect, but unless you’re making a trip across the Glowing Sea it pretty much gets in the way.

[@CraverYT]

I can't recall the primary source, but I'm reasonably certain that I read a story about the Concord Deathclaw/Power Armor fight - namely, that it was included as an "OMG AWESOME" set piece not so much for the benefit of the player, but for the benefit of a Bethesda executive. I think the theory was that the suits didn't have the time/patience to wait until the 2nd act of the game to see something spectacular. I do agree with ItsJabo's conclusions on the negative consequences. If anyone happens to have a link to the story I'm remembering, hit me up in a reply - I'd like to re-read it.

[@courier6960]

If the problem was the suits wanted to see something cool, for the tech demo set the character up as being in act 2 and build up the encounter! That or show some cool side content (but shocker Fallout 4 probably has the least amount of decent side quests and content out of all of the main Fallout games). The newer isn’t to neuter your game just to please some guys who don’t really need it! At the end of the day the executive will make his money, don’t go executing your pacing and story just to please the,!

[@LiftYagami]

@@courier6960 they could have set them up with the Kellogg quest

[@mydło6923]

I would've made it so that the deathclaw destroys the armor and minigun after you get it down to like 10% hp

[@nartaga1624]

Wasn't it confirmed that the whole Concord power armor death claw interaction was basically part of the tech demo/proof of concept for when Bethesda was coming up with Fallout 4 and they just left it in?

[@arutka2000]

"It just works."

[@LucyWest370]

@@arutka2000 thats not how your supposed to use that quote

[@arutka2000]

@@LucyWest370 Trust me. It just works.

[@LucyWest370]

@@arutka2000 thats not- fine, whatever

[@lassemjsvrholm2900]

The second one was spot on tho.

[@harrysmith9755]

i feel like they could have made it so after the deathclaw encounter it finishes with it ripping you out of the armour as it dies whilst destroying the armour so you get taste of what power armour feels like but you have to find another set .

[@wrongnumber9389]

@@smeggiamagarwine I was wondering if they could have the power armor "sent in for repairs" by Sturges as he seems to know a decent amount of repairs. Then after some quests, the power armor is good as new. And if miraculously the player managed to keep the power armor in good condition after the fight, just have it malfunction and chalk it up to long period of neglect and have it looked after by Sturges. As for the gun, no clue but I guess it could be done similarly, or that one of the settlers need it for early defense while Sole Survivor explores.

[@davepeesthepool]

Considering you constantly need more and more fusion cores to use the power armor I'm not sure it makes a difference. You only get a half-full fusion core to start with... and in a normal progression through the game I think it's a couple hours in before you are likely to find a fresh one. So you can't really use the power armor all the time once you have it, you have to pick and choose when you think you are going to need it balanced against how many cores you have found.

[@heirofaniu]

@@davepeesthepool There are at least three fusion cores, and a second set of power armor (albeit an incomplete suit), in a straight line extending pretty much due south from Sanctuary which you can access immediately. That's not counting the FC and armor in Concord btw, and that's just in the space between Sanctuary and Vault 81.

[@AdNoctemMedia]

Or the power armor is in such poor condition that the fusion core gets welded in place and that suit can never be recharged

[@davepeesthepool]

@@heirofaniu I dunno, I guess in my playthroughs I never went very far south until a couple hours in. To be honest, I never really rolled much with power armor. I think the only time i would consistently use it was the trek through the irradiated sea.

[@CelticGuardian_]

I'm glad you mentioned Mirelurks at the end because the sewer the Deathclaw erupts from is literally full of Mirelurks and showing off the new design of the Lobster looking Mirelurk would be nice for the introductory quest.

[@jenpants]

it has ONE mirelurk and a few molerats. play it again.

[@crazybritishgirlomg9979]

The fable music at the beginning of the video made me feel so nostalgic having 2 of my favourite franchises combined

[@Angus_fO]

From my experience, it balances out quickly as I wasnt able yo use the minigun or powerarmor to mich since ammo and cores are hard to come by. I didnt use powerarmor much at all until the missions in high-rad areas

[@rmzCrush]

ammo is hard to come by? we are talking about FO4 vanilla right? even in survival there's plenty of loot, play the Horizon overhaul if you want to experience what is scarcity.

[@jeangargaren7057]

@@rmzCrush I have play for around 20h on my current playthrough and I haven't looted a single 5mm ammo outside of "when freedom calls"

[@niklasmolen4753]

@@rmzCrush Ammo is no problem. But if you are looking for an ammo other than 38, you can get into trouble. 5mm is never common, due to the fact that you consume it quickly, what you find is quickly gone.

[@rmzCrush]

try horizon, it's neat

[@demonpride1975]

@@rmzCrush i think he is referring to 5mm ammo, it's not as common as you think. and more so to the point i never carry a minigun with me.