Jacob Rees-Mogg accidentally tells the truth about voter ID gerrymandering | The News Agents

Emily and Jon discuss whether Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg meant to let slip that introducing voter ID was indeed meant to make it harder for certain people to vote.
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[@julielevinge266]

Majority of people in UK who now know what they didn’t when the country voted for brexit just once, feel very differently now it’s costing so many so much!!

[@normabloice894]

It is called cheating and manipulation to suit their own cause, not to serve the people’s wishes

[@kevinb9830]

Whilst Labour have been caught several times stealing tory leaflets from letterboxes...

[@7dtdfil730]

​@@kevinb9830 yet tories have been caught breaking the laws and facing no real repercussions so many more times... but you're right; your whataboutism is all that matters. Ignore Conlot crimes, just focus on the letterboxes. 😱

[@davysmith8738]

​@@kevinb9830 delusional

[@kevinb9830]

@@davysmith8738 It's on video. It's not an opinion.

[@smellslikethinice1107]

No it's fraud and corruption...cheating makes it sound like they cheated on a test. They deserve prison.

[@WhichDoctor1]

i do find it funny that mog is equating extending the vote to more british residents, and trying to prevent already registered voters from being able to vote, as equally bad.

[@derekwhyle1884]

I think this is a legal issue. Hopefully the points raised in Parliament today will ensure it is reported and fully investigated by both political and criminal proceedings.

[@edwardwilson4974]

I agree. I think this is far from being just a gaffe by a politician. It bespeaks a serious attack on our democracy. If you hold up a placard outside a polling booth, you’ll get arrested pronto, but if a recently senior member of the British cabinet admits that they tried to keep a sizeable section of our populace from voting…..nothing happens!

[@karlhinze]

I’m looking forward to Supertanski’s take on this.

[@parametr]

He just openly admitted that Tories attacked our democracy, tried to steal our country from us.

[@smellslikethinice1107]

Why are you surprised?

[@parametr]

@@smellslikethinice1107 people need to be reminded of what Tories do

[@markargent4962]

What do you mean tried. They already have taken everything we care about. It's all down hill from here .

[@smellslikethinice1107]

@@parametr telling each other won't help...we have to do something. Show a backbone, which is why we had what we had once. Now we are lazy and entitled.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Iam surprised by the number of posts that say they are surprised!!!

[@mickeythompson9537]

Mogg's father co-wrote a book called "The Sovereign Individual" - it essentially plans the consolidation of the world's wealth into a few individuals, by various devious means. Mogg is playing that out in everything he does.

[@starmersbarber]

Yep...his own father was certainly not noble for bringing up this monster the way he did. But I suppose this how that certain class of people continue their own narrow gene pool. It's so depressing. Jacob Rees-Mogg doesn't even seem particularly bright.

[@smellslikethinice1107]

@@starmersbarber he isn't....he just has a brand...double breasted suit, national health glasses, short back and sides, posh accent, and ultimately the right school. Other than that he is a insidious plank of cheap wood.

[@starmersbarber]

@@smellslikethinice1107 Your summing up of his brand makes me grin. Brutal but poetic!

[@unclemonty9506]

I don't think I've ever hated a group of people so much as I do the Tories

[@John-yi1mk]

You're not alone.

[@davidsimpson8192]

@@snowyowel7961 Thats nice , how do you feel About the Tories?

[@davidsimpson8192]

@@snowyowel7961 Suprised ..thats surprising.. in what way ?

[@carlarthur4442]

Perhaps Labour 😅

[@davidsimpson8192]

@@snowyowel7961 Quite an aggressive reply to a straightforward question.. just interesting when someone goes 180 on their votes

[@jamesnicoll8415]

And, will the Electoral Commission investigate this?????

[@Vivamancer]

"There is no prospect of the UK going back into the United Kingdom." Another Freudian slip. Either Priti Patel or Suella Braverman said the same thing.

[@annestjohn4017]

Dis-united Kingdom more like it!

[@1967deek]

Maybe they want to break up the UK, maybe they want little England all for themselves.

[@onezerooneseven]

He must be thinking ahead!

[@isabellewhite3505]

I missed this. Read your comment and replayed the vlog. He did in fact say this. This Tory gov't has fallen into the abyss. They are now clutching at straws to retain their power in gov't. The G. Election cannot come soon enough.

[@katokaoula4872]

Because there's no UK anymore. It's the NWO ruling.

[@Telluwide]

JRM and Nigel Farage are the two biggest grifters in modern UK history....

[@PEdulis]

I'd add BoJoke in there as well, possibly even as #1.

[@williamwykeham5253]

He's not confessing - he's bragging.

[@fincorrigan7139]

Exactly

[@GrahamMNewton]

I really don't understand how they thought voter ID would stop young people from voting. Young people need ID for buying alcohol, computer games, DVDs, knives learning to drive, etc, etc. They turn up to vote, they are going to have ID on them as a matter of course.

[@WhichDoctor1]

because the types of photo ID most young people already own, like student cards, young people's railcards, etc were deliberately excluded from the list of IDs that were accepted at polling stations. Where as over 60s railcards and bus passes were accepted. It wasn't just that they required ID, they tried to use that to stack the deck.

[@GrahamMNewton]

@@WhichDoctor1 I take the point that the rules are inconsistent but I don't think you can use railcards as ID for alcohol for example.

[@PianoDentist]

Moggy isn't saying that the Tories shouldn't use gerrymandering because it is unethical or undemocratic, he is saying that the last time the Tories attempted to gerrymander, it backfired on them. He doesn't care about the ethics of it, he only cares if it provides favourable outcomes for the Tories.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

He admitted to gerrymandering while trying to provide an excuse for the disastrous results in the local elections, he mustn't realise that old people were able to use their bus passes so the argument he was trying to make didn't even hold up.

[@cliffhughes6010]

Exactly

[@solentbum]

He probably doesn't know what a 'bus pass is. Obviously only poor labour voters would deign to use such a thing.

[@John-yi1mk]

​@@solentbum oh I'm sure his nanny has a bus pass. Have corrected my auto text, not bunny Nanny. His bunny has a chaffuer.

[@aimeemacdn]

Did he not know what the photo-ID meant?

[@timoakley277]

Not quite. A lot of older people would not bother to take anything, any form of ID. They've not had to the last 40,50 years.

[@danrudge5997]

There is no Prospect of the UK going back Into the United Kingdom. True. You killed that.

[@EricWoning]

I mean in all honesty - we all knew this, right? Anyone who had a doubt is just dumb.... So he didn't tell anything new - and he knew he'd get away with it as he always has.

[@starmersbarber]

But surely this monstrous menacing individual can't be given any credit for 'telling the truth' here. He needs dealt with. And in a way that will remove him and his ilk from public life for the rest of his time.

[@bikes_camera_more]

Freudian slip??? At 14 sec "...there is no prospect of the UK going back into the United Kingdom..."

[@richardgardner90125]

They never tell the truth with intent, just by accident

[@mickreaddin4979]

It's U.S. Republicanism 101. Something I've been warning against for ages.

[@elkpaz560]

Try looking at the Democrats.

[@user-de2wv8ri8n]

I love how it’s the conservative that are claiming voter suppression via id which is completely different from the us

[@annestjohn4017]

Stop the Steal

[@elkpaz560]

@@Mr_Grimbley ?

[@roban28]

Like everyone else, at 16 I was given a National Insurance number, and when I started my Saturday job at a supermarket I paid tax. I was required by law to pay taxes to a government that I had no say in. Either change the law to stop 16 & 17 yrs from paying taxes or give them the right to vote. No taxation without representation!

[@eh1702]

I found that the NI that I paid at 16 in full time work is not counted until after the 19th birthday. That made me furious. Some of my siblings left when the normal leaving age was still 15. In my day only about 5% of people were in education after 18, but it was the rule for males (not so much females) from wealthy families. So obvious that the NI rule was made to disbenefit the plebs for State pensions, to make out working lives a few years longer even though our lifespan averages a decade shorter than wealthier people. (Or 14 years in some areas.)

[@gio-oz8gf]

That was a well-paid Saturday job. You would have to earn more than £241 a day today before you started paying tax. That's if you worked 52 Saturdays a year. At the age of 16, I earned £10 per week working underground in a coal mine.

[@roban28]

@@gio-oz8gf oh shut up! You sound like a Monty Python sketch “when I were lad, we were so poor we ‘ad nowt to eat but coal”. I worked for J Sainsbury in 1990 for 8 hrs a week. I don’t recall how much tax was paid, but I do recall me and other students whinging about paying it (piffling amount that it was) until a full time staffer showed me his wage slip and his monthly deductions. But the point is, if you are going to tax 16/17 yr olds, allow them join the work force or the military then they should be allowed to vote. They have most invested in the future, and the most to lose.

[@shaunhouse8469]

With the "we ballsed up rigging the election" quote people missed that he said "the UK isn't returning to the United Kingdom" which maybe even thicker than the similar thing Priti Patel said

[@DrMikeOckhertz]

He mis-spoke. He meant to say "European Union". He corrected himself in the next sentence.

[@peterreed3104]

These Evil Ignorant People are trying to Divide the United Kingdom Even, and Because it Will Destroy A Democracy, Which Not Perfect, is Mirrored All over the Civilised World

[@peterreed3104]

Maybe he was saying HE wants to Take "Steal" the Great from Great Britain!!

[@kevinb9830]

hmm, rigging the election? I thought the left wanted people criminalised and/or cancelled for suggesting such a thing?

[@johnchristmas7522]

What he was saying, that the UK wont return to the United Kingdom, meant that we will not try to get us back into the EU. That way, they have more control over the British Public. i.e. cancellations of the European human rights laws together with taking the nurses to court, whilst planning complete annaxation of all union laws. If they get back in, despite how bad Labour is, will mean our country will be turned into tyranical one party state, with all that will entail. People dying while mp's party- said far more than people realise.

[@SimplySketchyGT]

On account of 16/17 year olds and EU citizens who reside here and pay tax here getting the vote… no taxation without representation.

[@alanpartridge1385]

I agree. But then surely there's an argument also for "no representation without taxation"?

[@Marshallo.o]

On paper, you would think being an MP would mean you are the best of the best, representing your constituency (for whatever party or independent) . In reality, its far from it. Its no wonder lying in parliament is not punished and paradoxically, calling someone a liar (with evidence) actually is against parliamentary rules.

[@kevinb9830]

yes because when you call people liars directly it's no longer an argument. It's just an accusation, where nothing can proceed. You have to be more clever and show through argument that your opponent is lieing.

[@bigblue6917]

Interesting that he mentions problems with postal voting. There are not many such case but where they do happen it is the torys who do that.

[@johnking6624]

I raised this with my lying two faced Tory MP and he insisted it was not about gerrymandering but about preventing fraud.

[@leejohnson3209]

'We sort of know it happens' Those who know know, but the complete silence from the msm to inform the general public really speaks volumes to me.

[@b0ballen413]

There is taxation without representation. I'm an example of that along with many more people that live abroad and not allowed to vote but pay taxes in the UK. Also Mogg lied when he said no European country allows immigrants to vote in general elections. I have lived in Ireland for 20 years pay tax in the UK ,can't vote in the UK but can vote in Ireland. "Erin go Bragh.

[@onezerooneseven]

Yes, and even in the UK all commonwealth citizens who are resident in the UK can vote General Elections. That was part of the scandal that a student from the likes of Rwanda living in the UK for only 6 months was allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum, but a French guy living here for 20 years wasn't.

[@isabellewhite3505]

@@onezerooneseven . An absolute mess

[@bipolarminddroppings]

​@@onezerooneseven its bonkers, I agree, but Commonwealth Citizenship is British Citizenship and that's the difference. That's how they defend it. I think you should not be allowed to vote here if you don't live here, even if you are a british citizen. But equally, you should be allowed to vote if you live here, citizen or not.

[@sweaty7012]

And Scottish people living outside Scotland, even within the UK, couldn't vote in a Scottish Independence referendum. What a mess.

[@MarkPierro]

Can he be prosecuted?

[@gio-oz8gf]

"There is no prospect of the UK going back into the United Kingdom"? This is a man who, until recently, was a member of the UK government.

[@vivo-audio]

Any attack on the process of democracy should involve a jail sentence.

[@kevinb9830]

what, like Labour candidates stealing leaflets from letterboxes?

[@1967deek]

It's criminal vote rigging

[@jemmace2586]

Yes! 100% it's just that it's been a very, very sick joke on the part of the rich and over privileged for a very long time.

[@paulgibbons2320]

I agree including remoaning.

[@vivo-audio]

@@paulgibbons2320 What's remoaning? Do you mean anyone who points out the failures of Brexit?

[@ericpmoss]

Attributing any decency to JRM is just being profoundly gullible, not fair.

[@martynjones8560]

Not only was Rees-Mogg saying the quiet stuff out loud, but he was screaming his inherent stupidity from the rooftops. (I'll give him a pass on the "There's no prospect of the UK going back into the United Kingdom" gaff - it must be confusing for someone who considers their country to solely consist of their Somerset estate, the wealthy parts of London, the leafy, conservative-voting, green and pleasant South-East, and most importantly, the off-shore tax havens he cherishes so much).

[@wynnewebber4603]

Join us in Australia, where voting is compulsory. We all have skin in the game so we cannot whinge that someone else has gamed the system to let undeserving voters in. (We are probably all undeserving, but no one is more so than any other.) It may be better yet to have proportional representation, but one step at a time is OK.

[@salkoharper2908]

Well Australia is a nation that is embracing the future and looking to at least try and right some of the wrongs of it's past. (Expanding voter enfrancisement). England on the other hand just seems to be doubling down on looking backwards and embracing all the worst aspects of its past politically. (Disenfranchisment of young people). Give them half a chance and the Tories will next try and take voting away from Highland Scots or the Irish. They have done it before.

[@kieranclarges2514]

Dont worry, Im sure the "independent" Electoral Commission will do something about this................................... Anytime now............................Guys?..........................Oh wait, The Tories took that over in april 2022... Oh well, democracy was fun while it lasted.

[@DeeDee-mf3jt]

Dishonourable has no cut off

[@briane5706]

Expanding the electoral franchise is not gerrymandering. Restricting the electoral franchise is.

[@martinryan8101]

Actually, it’s the manipulation of physical constituency boundaries to bring about a desired result. JRM used the wrong term and nobody corrected him.

[@auntijen3781]

​@@martinryan8101 yes, your right. Gerrymandering is when politicians choose their voters instead of the other way round.

[@edwardwilson4974]

Neither of them is. Gerrymandering is about boundaries.

[@JamieZubairi]

​@@edwardwilson4974though the physical boundary this time round was age. Yes I think we can expand on the 19th C definition of a word.

[@simonwoods8809]

@@auntijen3781 Just like Starmer getting 16 year olds to vote. Who are they likely to vote for? Virtually all of the political class is a rabble regardless of affiliation but everyone will do it if it is "legal". Starmer is doing an SNP here. So utterly transparent.

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

Another one of Boris's "wizzard wheezes" explodes in their faces

[@RachelRhiarti]

As someone else pointed out, it seems likely this "accident" was a deliberate attempt to pretend the absolute trouncing they got wasn't how people really feel.

[@bakedbean37]

Ooops a daisy. Oh well. Never mind. I'm sure the foot we just shot off will just grow back. Eventually.

[@nikhilmani8849]

He's an arrogant, entitled fellow. He may have not wanted this scheme all along. It appears that the Tories are being influenced by US politics.

[@bakedbean37]

@@nikhilmani8849 " It appears that the Tories are being influenced by US politics." You might go as far as to say they're actually aping the Repugs at this point. This type of "conference" of the non-skinhead branch of the far right is all the rage over there.

[@anthonyhill6943]

Mogg being honest about how the Tory government is being dishonest? Weird stuff indeed. 🤔 Whatever next … the Tories admitting that Brexit was a disaster?

[@sueyourself5413]

That's not gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is redrawing constituencies in favour of one party. Maybe if he spent less time practicing that ridiculous accent infront of the mirror and more time actually reading..

[@arden9101]

its more to do with manipulation of voter demographics through any means rather than only changing constituencies

[@PGHEngineer]

@@arden9101 That's vote rigging. Gerrymandering has a very specific meaning. They all threw around the word gerrymandering and not one of them knew what it means. This is the quality of politics and political commentary these days.

[@meatpuppet5036]

@@arden9101 No it isn't. Also if that were true, then immigration policy would be gerrymandering. Its still immoral, but it isn't gerrymandering.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

@@PGHEngineer I agree entirely. The ID requirement was an attempt at voter suppression, not gerrymandering. I'm disappointed that neither Maitlis nor Sopel corrected Rees-Mogg's catachresis; indeed, perhaps they're not even aware it is one. The former English teacher, Phil Moorhouse, of "A Different Bias", was able to make this correction in his pertinent video, "Rees-Mogg Admits Photo ID Was Tory Attempt to Rig Elections". Why is it so often the case that supposed amateurs do a better analytical job than veteran professional journalists?

[@pansepot1490]

I am surprised the two journalists in the video didn’t pick up on that. JRM shows ignorance as well as dishonesty.

[@coppershark1973]

JRM should be in court for this. This is an admission of corruption.

[@macsmiffy2197]

I worked with the younger generation for years. They always had photo ID to get into pubs and clubs so I think the Tories were a bit out of touch if they thought it would be the young who would be affected by this change. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@lorraine7960]

But the list of acceptable ID was quite restrictive and didn't include all forms of photo id.

[@Omegon8536]

this is why we need to increase the voter age. 30 at minimum.

[@qbarnes1893]

Our nation is our nation because of its common people, WE, are the ones with the power. When there’s an election, WE decide whom to act on our behalf, ie, who to vote for. Many many governments have simply forgotten who gave them their place and power. I have a birth certificate, that’s it. I’m not required by any law to produce any other form of id. NO one is forcing me to, NO one has the right to. If it means I can’t vote, that’s fine, it’s all hypocrisy anyway. One day the common people will take back their power, Covid, Ulez, Net Zero, Climate disaster, 15 min cities, fossil fuel use, the processed food industry, health advisors... all with two things on their agenda, money and power. We Have All been lied to for tens of years yet very few really understand

[@KJ-js7pi]

accidentally?? he openly admitted to it without any prodding needed lol

[@corvus1238]

No, I think it was an accident. Don't forget, he's as thick as 5h!t.

[@elkpaz560]

Emily's boring old 'gotcha' school of journalism made Newsnight intolerable.

[@loopwithers]

Next, JRM explains that Braverman stopped drowning kittens at age twelve and cushioned seats on London Transport foster laziness among the working class

[@nicktheengineer5976]

Should bring down this government but it won't

[@dudududuFthetories]

Any sane country would be out with guillotines for something as evil as this, but the cowardice of the brits is on display once more.

[@stephenodey5147]

Thank you

[@lukejames5184]

Your biggest mistake is you trusted a politician?!

[@martynjones8560]

Smugg probably knows the difference between gerrymandering and voter suppression, but treats every audience with such contempt that accuracy doesn't matter to him. The Tories changing constituency boundaries in their favour was gerrymandering, the ID matter was voter suppression. Starmer's proposals expand democracy, not quash democracy. Just wait to see Tories squirming when PR becomes a serious issue.

[@Pumpherstonsmith]

It wont happen as long as "Sir" Kier Starmer has his way. He`s just a diluted Tory.

[@sweaty7012]

I'd like to think PR would be seriously considered but Labour need to get some integrity and support it.

[@sarahstrupinski6863]

Why doesn't Labour front brench run with this in say PMQs? Labour has been ultra passive about so many Toryshyte goings on.

[@MegaKerrigan]

Because Labour under Keir Stamer is reheated New Labour, & if anyone knows their history, Blaraites tend to be pretty authoritarian, that’s the reason why they are not making a big deal of it!

[@maggiepie8810]

'There's no prospect of the UK going back into the United Kingdom.' He did say that.

[@arandmorgan]

The irony is the voter ID situation was posed as a way of protecting democracy. 😂

[@teekay_1]

I've found anyone claiming to "protect" democracy is lying. It's a similar scam in the 80's and 90's when people proposed laws to "protect the children"

[@timoakley277]

Posed being the correct term.

[@normanfeerick665]

I can't believe anyone thought this was accidental or a mistake. He wrote it, edited it and re-read it.

[@alanpartridge1385]

Scorched earth policy? As with Braverman, he knows they are going to lose heavily next year and perhaps this is an attempt to undermine his party and lose as badly as possible. That way the 80,000 odd little angry pensioners who get to choose the next Tory leader can plump for a far right populist for the next 5-10 years. A sorry state of affairs really.

[@bakedbean37]

When they show you who they are. Believe them.

[@dextercool]

Saying the quiet part out loud.

[@DD-cg1tm]

I think what he was really trying to do by "leading with his weakness", but at the same time suggesting that the local elections were in some way non-representative of the electorates true feelings. That without any ukg tinkering at all, the Tories would have not lost their seats. A kind of Jedi mind trick to infer that thousands of OAPs would have made all the difference. It would be useful to see what the demographics were for the local elections, especially in key seats.

[@davebento1548]

The difference between mogg and starmer is mogg wanted to stop people being able to vote and starmer to increase the number of people voting on the grounds they pay UK taxes and there should be no taxation without representation.

[@BrightonandHoveActually]

He also actually said "there is no prospect of the UK going back into the United Kingdom".

[@clarecrawford9677]

If only . . . .

[@Ned47628]

What's really interesting is he mentioned that the real problem was postal votes. Now wasn't there a bit of a to do during the 2019 general election because it seemed Laura Kuenssberg knew the postal ballots look very bad for Labour several days before the election. I wonder if this is an even bigger slip then we think.

[@alanpartridge1385]

No. He's just playing to his audience, given this conference is funded by the same people who back Donald Trump. There is no issue with postal ballot fraud on either side of the Atlantic.

[@floradiamonds]

The figures given for fraudulent postal voting were so low as to make absolutely no difference at all to the overall results, in that election or any other. As a postal voter, I take great offence at this odious, offensive person saying that postal voters are cheats! My working hours/home life meant that I probably wouldn't have been able to get to any postal stations, and now that I am a pensioner with severe disabilities, being able to continue to make my cross on the ballot paper and post it, and feel that it's safe, is more important than ever. This nasty length of bile doesn't know, or care, who he slanders, as long as he's allowed to keep his mouth moving at an audience.

[@dukeofaaghisle7324]

The Tories always think things through so well don’t they?

[@Wildgrowsthenature]

Wait a minute..... "there is no chance of the UK going back into the United Kingdom" ehhhhhh OK foggy..... you should be in prison though, mate.

[@terryjones6504]

Accidentally and JRM don’t usually appear in the same sentence. We need to change the whole voting system it’s been fixed and tampered with for far too long.

[@SimplySketchyGT]

I’ve come to the conclusion he’s actually an idiot with a posh accent which makes him sound clever.

[@martinobrien7110]

Lock him up .

[@indyw4304]

What did he exactly say about the U.K. going back into the …… ???

[@leecooper8589]

There was absolutely nothing accidental about it.

[@bearsbreeches]

He's thick as two short planks

[@Kwirks]

Isn't Gerrymandering to do with changing boundaries so you invite more of your electorate into another area to sway that areas vote? Not as a move of votes cast across the Country. But it's a first, JRM being honest that they tried to fix the votes & should be questioned by the MET if this was intentional. But then we know the MET are in the Conservatives pockets too. #GTTO #NHSpay15

[@glennwhitlock1272]

That's what I thought, but I guess as with many expressions, it grows and twists into other situations, like Woke, for example. JRM is using it to describe the way the Tories are making it difficult for a certain section of society to vote.

[@TheSynthnut]

Usually it applies to constituency boundaries, but restricting the voting demographic is also trying to rig the electoral system.

[@SimplySketchyGT]

Gerrymandering is commonly the practice of manipulating constituency boundaries to gain an electoral advantage. However, manipulating who can vote based on ID is still a form gerrymandering.

[@johnm2012]

It's named after Elbridge Gerry, a US politician and vice president, who as governor of Massachusetts proposed to bend the boundary of an area of Boston for partisan reasons so much that it resembled a salamander. Gerry + salamander = gerrymander.

[@jimjarvis2309]

@@glennwhitlock1272 Hi, Glenn. I'm not understanding what group the Tories were trying to disenfranchise.

[@avakholwadia1420]

It is not often JRM tells the truth so it’s amazing he actually spoke truth.

[@markshirley01]

PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@TheAlexkor]

I doubt he ever knows what he is talking about!

[@starmersbarber]

I've always got this feeling that Mr Moog is desperate to use fancy words and phrases....as it conceals his general lack of ability to think in a recognisably intelligent and constructive way. I find it quite tragic.

[@anthonyscott7142]

"there is no prospect of the UK going back into the United Kingdom".... similar to what PP said

[@MrStoneyburke]

This is another case of - If the Boot was on the other Shoe.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

I will point out that Tories complaining about Kier Starmer gerrymandering voting is hypocrisy in the extreme. How many people know that UK passport holders living in the EU couldn't vote in the brexshit referendum? And citizens of commonwealth countries who don't have the legal right of permanent residence did.

[@rowejon]

I know, born in the UK & passport holder. I couldn't vote in the referendum.

[@nolongerinbetween3913]

Spot on.

[@onezerooneseven]

Totally agree, there is nothing democratic about denying a vote to the people most affected by it. They could technically vote if they had left the UK before 15 years. But as a whole ex-pats tend not to vote anyway. Usually when you want to genuinely know the "will of the people" you also look at the turn out, who was eligible, and whether there is a bias in the turn out, and actually consider whether a very close result (based on lies) is actually representative to everyone affected. In a true democracy they would have voided Brexit long ago.

[@SimplySketchyGT]

People in Gibraltar under our control weren’t allowed to vote either.

[@Bluenose7]

The Scots did exactly the same prior to the independence referendum, if you weren’t living in Scotland then no vote. I don’t see an issue with it because people that have taken themselves off to another country to live, work or both should have their right to vote removed, either temporarily or permanently. Why on earth do people who’ve left the country think they have a right to have a say on any topic that affects people who haven’t it’s the very definition of arrogance!!!…..

[@vincentciliberti5026]

"....accidentally, a politician tells the truth..." Could not agree more. Yeah, accidentally.🤣🤣

[@michaelwadge5999]

Am I right in saying Rees-Mogg, despite his exaggerated posh accent and liberal use of Latin, is actually rather dim? How otherwise can one explain his constant gaffes?

[@RandomizedRambler]

This tool doesn't know what gerrymandering is

[@cobbler40]

Let’s get rid of FPTP the ultimate gerrymandering

[@dannymurphy1779]

He is also admitting to not being very bright if it harmed his own party!

[@hilaryporter7841]

So Rees Mogg has as you put it let the cat out of the bag. What happens next? You are both journalists, what are you intending to do about what you have just heard? You both sound surprised and amused.Im not surprised and I'm not amused. I'm sick of corrupt politicians, they have ruined this country. I want journalists to stand up for the truth and do something about it.

[@lesleywright2823]

He admitted it because he knows there will be no repercussions, the tories never do anything by the book, they are a law unto their own, because we allow them with no questions asked 😡

[@umwhatthistime]

Why is anyone surprised? The Tories are bent.

[@petergosney6433]

If you want to adopt an American term, don’t change its meaning. It refers to rearranging BOUNDARIES.

[@madaknevarski6478]

he said the quiet part out loud.

[@LuzdoSol00]

Emille would be perfect asking him on a Prince Andrew interview style; More else went on Jacobs? To see him digging his grave.

[@Ology3121]

Parliament needs to be dissolved. Charles should perogue Parliament and get his own back for them lying to his Mother..

[@davejlboy4505]

Absolutely spot on 👌

[@GahMehGrrrr]

Mogg is as thick as a brick

[@Pumpherstonsmith]

Now and then just accidentally a politician tells the truth. Sounds like something Sir Humphrey Applleby might have said.

[@temibusari4848]

I wonder what Nick Ferrari thinks about all this.

[@ostraadt]

Mein Gott! Gruppenfuhrer von Schmugg fessing up to naughtiness. Nanny will have to spank him soundly. Oh, but she always does anyway.

[@theghostoftom]

Standard conservative. Crying somebody stole the chocolate cake while covered in chocolate. Actual five year olds could run the country better.

[@raybo64]

I'm not sure you or Jacob Rees Smug actually understands Gerrymandering. It's to manipulate constituency boundaries to favour one political party. The Ulster Unionist fraternity could give master classes on this. But voter ID requirements are not at all Gerrymandering. Maybe Rees Smug wants to find another word to describe his dishonesty.

[@starmersbarber]

I found his reaction to the interrupter on stage quite revealing- he stood there rigid, gormless, unable to think or react on his feet. His verbal response after the interrupter had been removed: "he can have his national loonies conference next week and he can see how many people he gets to come along". This sounds so peculiar...it's as if he's directly mirroring the limitations of himself and his own environment (similar to the 'gerrymandering' comment). I sometimes wonder if he does stuff like this deliberately, but I'm just not convinced he's bright enough.

[@itsifeanyi]

This is emblematic of the IQ of those making decisions at the national level. It’s quite entertaining to put mildly

[@richardtuxford1812]

This surely needs a formal investigation?

[@grimreaper-qh2zn]

It is nice to know from his speech that the UK will not be going back into the United Kingdom!!!!!! 🤓

[@mykeskingdom]

I thought Jon was going to explode, trying to hold back his anger. I think his indignation is representative of all decent people in the country

[@lordbiro]

Grease fogg really is a laughable caricature of a pompous dolt 😂

[@marksimons8861]

I wish it were some third country rather than mine. But there you have it. Ever wondered how Brexit got through?