Jacque Fresco (2011): Relativity 4 of 5

[@xmodalloy]

He's simply stating that by reducing the hours, the work is less stressing and thus more people will volunteer because it is an easier task. If someone wants to continue working even after their hours are done, I'm sure they could!

[@sailorboy165]

This is the only alternative as of now

[@AmariFukui]

These are excellent points, ones that are adressed when you take a longer look at what Fresco is talking about (At least in my experience) Volunteers will not carry the new economy, it will be automated to the fullest extent we can achieve. The Venus project indicates a change in behaviour is crucial to its success, people MUST recognise and distinguish between "Need" and "Want" and understand that no amount of "Want" can make you happy.

[@TomekCAR22]

we must walk the path of nature and we will be healthy

[@LimitedWish]

Actually, it does. Only the principle is made in the money supply, the interest doesn't exist. If everyone pays off their debts there is no money and the interest still owes. that would be traced up the chain, because the smallest debts would be paid ('called in') first and the money would go back to the original lender eventually. Who is that? In the US it's the Federal Reserve; in Australia, my country, it's the Reserve Bank. I have done a lot of research in this area, Jacque knows his stuff.

[@pietpoes5803]

CUTE HIS PRONUNCIATION.

[@kajmobile]

@IAM18YEARSOLDANDOVER having debt doesnt mean there is not enough money. it just means someone who doesnt have enough income today is borrowing someone elses income who has too much today.

[@kajmobile]

the need to pay workers in order to have enough workers is not an abstraction the need to give people a budget so they know how much they can consume is not an abstraction the need to measure the cost of production in a common unit is not an abstraction the world's primary problem is lack of income. the solution is to allocate income fairly so that everyone has enough to live a high standard of living. the solution is not to eliminate money! eliminating money will make the economy worse

[@kajmobile]

what i advocate will solve all our economy's problems and would make everyone wealthy. i advocate that everyone should be an equal democratic owner of the means of production because it is rigorously peer reviewed and actually works in practice. google "replace capitalism with democracy" and read the occupywallst post (it explains how it works and its benefits) and the rdwolff website (he's a popular economics professor that advocates the idea) from the search results

[@aKaStar3]

us debt (circa): 14 651 275 000 000 dollars. (rising thousands every second) Resourcebased economy is the only way.

[@kajmobile]

the root of our problems is NOT money. it is the LACK of money. if income was allocated fairly, nearly every major problem in the world would be solved money is just an instrument. and it is NECESSARY. it is necessary to incentivize people to work and to limit demand to what we r able to supply blaming economic problems on money is like blaming the thermometer for the heat

[@jason2x1590]

@kajmobile Money is only an idea. Resources exist without money.

[@kajmobile]

if work is voluntary, what r u reducing the hours from? and it is meaningless to say the week will be 20 hours because if people only want to work 5 hours per month, they can because work is voluntary but the point is that people will work far, far less than they would if they were getting paid to work. so there is no benefit to eliminating money. it will only result in people working significantly less, which is just 1 of the many problems i mention below that eliminating money will cause

[@smokinninja11]

"Total income equals our total production" true. but yet some ppl just dont get it a resource system as nothing to do with economics we do have the resources and man power to build a better future but war and destruction is more profitable so we spend all our money and tech on building b3etter weapons instead of building better hospitals that’s why the us is in debt.

[@LimitedWish]

You're ignoring the source of the money. The money that I loan to a friend does not come with interest (because I'm a nice guy), but the debt that created that money, at its foundational level, does. Actually, my research does not come from TZM films, although that inspired my personal look into how this business works. The Fed has been audited and it has been shown that they do bad deals and can't even keep track of what is loaned. Do you know that they don't even keep track of their M3 debt?

[@TimoDcTheLikelyLad]

It will be the enviroment at least that forces the people to work this is honest not any artificial trade/money - incentive shit - these are the rootcauses of our problems...

[@kajmobile]

@jason2x1590 money enables us to measure resources in common units so that we can allocate resources in a pareto efficient way. it is impossible to run an economy without being able to compare the cost of resources i agree the allocation of resources is unfair. but that has nothing to do with money. an RBE could allocate money differently money also gives u the power to control what is produced for u. having unelected engineers determine what u can and cannot have is a downgrade.

[@kajmobile]

asking people to volunteer is not a better system for producing labor than paying people. u will wind up with a lot less workers and making everything free is not a better system than giving everyone an income that limits their consumption to how much we r able to produce. making everything free will make the economy impossible to run because people will demand far, far, far more than u can produce

[@kajmobile]

i never said people wont volunteer. jacque said if enough people dont volunteer 4 mining he would reduce the hours. that makes no sense. in an rbe nobody is required to work any hours. so if not enough people volunteer in an rbe for any amount of hours, what does saying u only have 2 volunteer for 2 hours going 2 change?!? it makes no sense. u guys arent exercising common sense

[@kajmobile]

jacque's answer 2 the 1st question makes no sense. if nobody volunteered 2 work a coal mine, jacque's solution is 2 make the job 2 hours per day if nobody is willing to volunteer 2 mine coal for 0 hours per day, y would people all of a sudden want 2 do it for 2 hours!?! it makes no sense. his RBE is so flawed u need money to get people to work, to measure costs and to match supply with demand. he should advocate a system that just pays everyone equally and a little more 2 undesirable jobs

[@thecagophilist]

nope.

[@xmodalloy]

So, people don't want to volunteer for anything? Even if they know their work is what's keeping the lights on for hundreds of thousands? I believe it is your logic which is flawed. TVP is stripping away the excess abstraction layers and running things at a much simpler level.

[@kajmobile]

jacque doesnt understand economics. his claim that we dont have enough money to build hospitals but we have the resources is wrong. our total income always equals our total production. so if we have the resources to build a hospital, we have the money also.

[@kajmobile]

@smokinninja11 the problem is capitalism, not money. capitalism is a thug system where u take as much as u can and to hell with everyone else. we need to replace capitalism with democracy - a system that works equally well for everyone. all companies should be publicly financed and differences in income should be limited to just what's necessary 2 get people to do difficult work and give their max effort. that would enable us to make min wage $115k and reduce week to 20 hours

[@kajmobile]

Instead of defending an RBE with evidence, all u did was resort to ad hominen!! complaining that our society is "fucked up" is NOT proof that ur idea works. And ur desperation to just protect ur unfounded RBE idea, blinds u to the fact that just because im a critic of an RBE that doesnt mean im an advocate of our current system or capitalism! im not. capitalism is cruel, unfair and unjust. it needs to be replaced with a system where everyone has a right to a job and gets paid as an equal owner

[@cray32]

first!!