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[@KingCondor]

If you just want to see why I think Jagex was right to hand out the ban(s), you can skip to 1:23:00 and watch me cook

[@xPersianxKing]

1m=16¢ Bruh that’s so cheap.

[@msoueid]

Glad I skipped to this time stamp and watched Reddit search simulator for 15 min

[@TH-fu1qn]

So glad I watched the entire thing just to not get any concrete evidence of said bans outside of vague accusations. Glad this clown isn’t a lawyer.

[@dyces]

u/MobileRNG created his reddit alt just to make that post, spammed it 5 times, subreddit mods took it down, and that's your evidence LOL, nice detective work inspector gadget, innocent giveaway winners got banned and you're just ignoring that massive controversy and making up your own story, wild

[@Norrispain]

To me, this kind of explains why Jagex doesn't want to provide evidence. They want to use this same type of evidence to remove more DMing from the game in the future. They don't want these guys knowing ing they are on to them.

[@aero_spaced6977]

"this was May of 2022, WAY back in the day" 1.5 years in a 10 year old game is not way back in the day...

[@HughWanztino]

He's saying when he started streaming was may 2022. The rwt still could have been long ago. I think it was just a poor choice of words.

[@7svn.]

@@HughWanztino then he should have said it like that.

[@danweekliesorama9995]

the game is like 25 years old actually

[@theoneonly2406]

​@@danweekliesorama9995this... came out in 1999/2000

[@littlewigglemonster7691]

Game is couple decades old lol

[@TruckerAK]

As a wise man once said once " He did well but jagex did better" gf sit

[@themosthighvaluemaninthega9048]

isn't that what odaeblok says

[@1sickrigg]

😅😂😂😂

[@JesusIsTheWay59]

🫂

[@scoper7897]

0 evidence. ur a jealous hater

[@KingCondor]

Whys he still banned then?

[@LyrialEra]

something that gets me is him constantly saying "a ban of this size" like dude, you just have a lot of coin who cares. the ban isnt any bigger than some random bot farm

[@bobbysue9363]

It seems to have nothing to do with bank value, too. Gotta love it. 😅

[@Chrissmills]

His whole point of streaming is to funnel everyone to osrs gambling websites. What did he really expect?

[@RS3isRealscape]

not really i know many streamers who refuse to take any money from gambling sites stop being a shill of Jagex

[@raijinoflimgrave8708]

​@RS3isRealscape nope ur wrong stop being a loser

[@adamwoolston253]

I’m also not convinced the giveaways were random. One winner is a close personal friend, and ALL of the others provided him with screenshots of their bans to put in the video? Sounds to me like they were all his friends. They didn’t get banned because of the association, they got banned because they’re doing shady stuff too. Go ahead and split your raid drops, boys. Nothing to worry about

[@7svn.]

i won a give away of 200m he made every excuse to not give me my 200m so he rerolled it and same thing happened to the next guy and he never gave it to him then he just said fk it he tired of trying lmao guess his paid customer didnt get picked lol

[@AdriianFTW]

same people 4 won the giveaways in her stream as in his stream...

[@wastedbread8036]

it's so obvious he gives the money to friends or his own accounts and sells the gold

[@lookbeforeitstoolate]

or they were a tight knit community?

[@OMGnanerpus]

>Admits to RWT in the past >"I've never RWT'd before" Bro cant make up his mind lol

[@triizziy]

He’s spiraling. He’s gonna have to flip burgers now

[@Votexforxme]

@@Bifocal_Burrito There is never a !it was a 1 time thing" they will do it again and again. its a lie. this comes from a botter.

[@jakenewholland]

was quashed BTW

[@bobbysue9363]

@jakenewholland One offense was quashed, but watching him wasn't. He slipped up.

[@d-slay8059]

@@jakenewholland The rwt on btc was quashed but he said he was banned for rwt on one of his personal accounts “back in the day” 1.5 years ago lol.

[@Gws_2]

cant trust a guy with no furniture

[@Yltimate_]

😅😅😅

[@Prominent_Gaming]

😂😂

[@xzPKz]

He would sit at the duel arena all day every day on 8+ accounts for years and would sell profits almost daily. Definitely not the kind of guy to RWT though, don't worry.

[@nottripping4872]

He deserves it 100% LOL may 2022 way back in the day 😂😂😂

[@mayfalltribe4747]

He admitted on a stream on that date dumbass.

[@jasebas9941]

😂

[@coldcereal2679]

The part where you asked "Did they buy gold to get bikers banned?" Was spot on. I would almost bet on that's exactly what happened (whether intentionally or not)

[@davidskipton690]

Easy fix: Play ironman : )

[@xumo_]

you said a couple of times throughout the video that as a content creator you should be given proof. no, content creators don't deserve anything more than players. there needs to be a real customer service in place where anyone can get that kind of info about the account.

[@Litepaw]

Cool pfp

[@elisampley7598]

It'd be nice if proof was automatically provided for a ban. How hard would it be to attach screenshots to a ban message? I've never been banned and won't because I don't do anything. But because of that, if I was I'd like screenshots.

[@austiniscoolduh]

@@elisampley7598 they dont provide detailed info about these types of bans because the RWT/botting community uses it to change their techniques to avoid bans in the future. It sucks but it 100% makes sense.

[@elisampley7598]

@@austiniscoolduh yea but my buddy took like a 500 million loan from another friend and they were both banned. That's BS. They definitely weren't exchanging real money lol.

[@austiniscoolduh]

@@elisampley7598 sounds like your friend was lying to you about buying 500m... lol. jagex isnt stupid, ppl do splits and give friends money ALL the time without getting banned. so SOMETHING sus happened there...

[@Fluid1227]

only 15 minutes in but I love that he's basically starting out by saying "I have done a full investigation on myself, and found no wrong doing, therefore I am innocent". Acting like he isn't the single most biased possible person to conduct any kind of investigation into himself 🤣 and hes still grasping at the straw of "PID is random" when what he was abusing in DMs was first hit and not PID mans out here fighting ghosts. 1hr in and btc and gray both seem to be ignoring one of the keywords ayiza used, "someone" on the account, if by some miracle they didnt do the rwt I 100% expect it to come out someone else with access to the accounts did it in small unnoticeable amounts at a time to fund some irl gambling addiction or something.

[@Ohanrahan]

Ah yes its the typical : We from company X have no evidence that we from copany X are doing anything wrong. We at company X think we are being treated poorly and everyone is a liar except us, you have to believe us, we are saints and its everyone else thats wrong. Said every liar, cheater, and rulebreaker ever. It is both sad and funny that people go to such lengths to defend themself in the way they do.

[@austenkrebs1524]

you’re a meth smoker if you think someone is rwting hundred maybe thousands of dollars possibly out of 200k plus for gambling or an addiction , if he was gonna rwt he’d nuke the accounts and sell the most gp he could

[@Fluid1227]

@@austenkrebs1524 I specifically said an unnoticeable amount, unnoticeable to BTC or Gray, as in a third party, possibly one of their irl friends or someone with access stealing and rwt'ing a couple hundred mil+ at a time so that btc and gray don't notice the money leaving or even if they did ge fluctuations could explain it, cause why kill the cow when its still pumping milk. But at the end of the day thats just a very unlikely devils advocate explanation for whats happened.

[@7svn.]

Easier to do small amounts than large ones undetected You not very bight i see lmao

[@austenkrebs1524]

@@7svn. yeah sped tell me the sky’s blue next , why would bikers specifically take cents off the dollar when he has 200k in gold moron

[@craigoleary8827]

I had to rewatch your stella impression like 10 times 😂

[@darkillusive]

Honestly, I was getting the sixth sense feeling that he was lying, but I felt bad cause I didn't feel that there was anything concrete until you said something King. Immediately felt so much better. Gotta trust the gut. Also, he was banned before for RWT. Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior.

[@joncallahan8622]

Like a wife who cheats and says .. look ill admit I saw him before but nothing else happened. 😂

[@danweekliesorama9995]

i watched the whole thing, what a video!!! good break down, condor thanks

[@ManforSomeMarkets]

I think the ban is very funny, and Bikers making a video making vague accusations is even funnier.

[@Secretdawg925]

You were dressed like a pack of Newport’s during this stream

[@jaym4697]

I want to say "BTC did nothing wrong" but when you make KZbin videos talking about the theoretical value of said gold-- big fucking mistake. Also the only time I watched one of BTC's videos he said the average income for an American was 140k, I legit just turned off the video because the guy gave off the extremely out of touch rich kid vibes.

[@lampisfun1139]

His name is literally a form of cryptocurrency lmfao also name drops eliop and ditterbitter as good friends, not surprising shitty people have shitty friends.

[@bobbysue9363]

Ain't that the truth.

[@hitokiriibattousaii]

No one is surprised that the guy with 900B was RWT

[@mikejordan621]

'I dont want to name any like ditter bitter ya know pk content creators" .... bahahahahaha love it

[@niinhell]

yh no news they're all scum shit lol

[@MariusNinjai]

i find it super odd he got all the banned people to send screen shots

[@TheSummerwine1]

He's trying to take nothing and spin it into something

[@jasebas9941]

His customers that all want to appear innocent as well 😂

[@RickRokner]

Potential money (or loss of money) is more powerful than potential embarrassment.

[@coldcereal2679]

How is this odd? He wants to build his case. It's not hard to track down people who you traded with when it all happened on stream.

[@TheStormSuspect]

@@coldcereal2679they all 100% quickly responded with screenshots lmao. I have a bridge to sell you btw

[@itzgriff420]

i think youre pretty spot on about this, but i do think gray gray is related by holding the GP affiliated by bikerz and his situation. which would explain why he asked you to take the information about the discord down because he didnt want that light shed on the situation because he didnt mention it at all, he was headstruck on the 1trill but its obviously not about that

[@jiaan100]

Lol since u paid this nerd they put your comment near the top

[@trotskysrevenge]

ONCE A RWTER ALWAYS A RWTER SIT BIKERS

[@quaweds]

DM is a game of chance. Condor read the osrs post on saying they would ban players playing chance games. The ban should be for DMing and thats it.

[@tetzool4181]

Talking about getting banned for slpits..... Ok no joke! An easy fix for this is if Jagex offers a split option to players when entering a raid. They would each receive the GE value split evenly instead of the item i fit's a purple. If they want to keep the item in the game, it is then added to the Ge by the Jagex loot engine instead of the player. WOW and many other games figured this out decades ago!!!!

[@kevinsaravia2267]

With that much gp and when u hear rwt allegations, you kinda believe it

[@Phill_mcCrackin]

he made the gold via gambling, dont really care what happened with the ban, good ridance bozo

[@Gills420]

1:22:54 because thats what he did! like he did it 2 weeks ago died to the same dude in the wildy on stream for a "giveaway" but if you watch the stream the dude that wins is the one that pays.... its him rwting anyone with a brain can figure it out. He is only making a video because he got caught in his scheme.

[@freejello]

So much October drama one week in. Can’t wait for the yearly recap

[@flyback_driver]

7:39 if you received a macroing minor offense with a three day ban you can eventually have it fall off your visible offenses. However, if you bot again even with the previous offense removed its a permanent ban. Maybe thats what you're thinking of.

[@7svn.]

most likely if you were caught cheating at one point and it was a false ban and you won the appeal yes it can be removed from your account record but doesnt mean they didnt take note on this.

[@flyback_driver]

@@7svn. I only mean a situation in which you were actually botting and get a temporary ban. The black marks eventually fall off your record but if you ever bot again its a permanent ban. When osrs first came out I botted agility on my main account at the time and eventually got the temp ban. I want to say a year later I noticed the black mark was gone and I stupidly botted again. Within days the account was permanently banned. What I'm suggesting is it could be a similar system. A lateral reward of removing black marks for not repeating the behavior but second offenses are severe. Maybe even the overturned one carries weight when it comes to making a decision for punishment. Seems a little unfair but maybe the reasoning behind it is if the person has a confirmed offense down the road the first one was likely valid but overturned out of precaution. Who knows really.

[@parkerjohnson5270]

@@flyback_driverthen what is the point in removing it in the first place lmao

[@Steven-hq3go]

I have a macroing minor temp ban from nearly 20 years ago that's still viewable.

[@ieatsushi]

My acc got hacked and banned for botting but I still got my acc back and ban overturned. Shoutout Jagex!!

[@defqonlord]

Even if he gave any real evidence, he ruined his chances when he called Jagex stupid because they will just double down.

[@Dirty_Hobo]

a 2 hour drama video? lets gooo. Thanks mr Condor Also BTC is lying at around 14:00 he did know about the bug abuse to get guaranteed first hit (and PID) at lumbridge castle gates, BTC literally explained the bug when Oda lost 30b when someone was doing this bug abuse trick to Oda.

[@desert123100]

Yea I remember that too the fact that he left that out is shady

[@TheOhWulf]

"do your own research" LOL hes just lies like crazy dude is actually a pathological liar. He should have been banned months ago for cleaning ppl with the PID bug abuse.

[@labluntjames3039]

Also BTC has a huge community of scammers in cx network he's been targeting RS for many years trying to corrupt the games integrity

[@kissel235]

The best kind of gold sink 😃

[@Jo_Rogan]

and then he had it all in items too even better

[@jasebas9941]

Oh he doesn’t rwt but knows what his banks worth if he cashed out 😂

[@TheOhWulf]

bikers is guilty af but this logic makes zero sense, you too can find gold value with a google search... mine is $32 :(

[@JesusIsTheWay59]

True

[@stevenphilpott5261]

i 100% agree with your consensus, unless bikers can address the content contained in your removed video with atleast as much disputed evidence as the accuser, I for one saw it, and Id have to say its in the gray area of runescapes reach, but its still immorally wrong, and no one would argue that. I see a change in wording under RWT in the next week to cover this, and the ban to stick. F 1 trill gp.

[@InstancesKMS]

bro even sythe removed that guys post lol u immediately assume bikers is guilty but then when someone else who is also shady and telling you they're shady u believe everything they say evaluate self pls

[@stevenphilpott5261]

@@InstancesKMS u must be 12, if bikers has a response to the selling ranks allegation, then let him be heard, if he doesnt, then he will remain guilty and banned

[@lolsamftw]

I was in bikers discord before he nuked it. it was FULL of scammers and he didn't care

[@amazingwhiprs5961]

Unique take. Maybe he bought gold to keep his bank value high

[@bodiegaming]

Great video and great work!

[@Rondigity92]

They need to stop allowing account sharing, that's a major way to facilitate RWT

[@Anthony.B]

? What do you mean

[@Yungshamgod]

If you allow account sharing you essentially allow “community accounts” (which means individuals apart of that community may have their own personal accounts as there is no restriction against doing so) so who knows what private accounts that community account may interact with (hard to track account activity which makes it easier to muddy the water)

[@Rondigity92]

@@Anthony.B because for instance you could have someone pay real money for someone like oda to pvp on your account on your behalf and make money for you without trading any goods. Also it allows the excuse of "well I didn't do it, someone else was using my account" and assuming no responsibility for the action done by their account .

[@Rondigity92]

I used oda as an example because he is good at pvp not that he does it. Although he does account share for content which in turn generates him income

[@Anthony.B]

@@Rondigity92 bro you just recked my life lol I didn't know people did that

[@napora573]

easily could be; "You must be a subscriber to enter the giveaway" i count that as RWT IMO. you are forcing people to pay $ to win Gold

[@anarchy6417]

Sounds like someone at Jagex saw an easy 1T lick

[@7svn.]

proof of that? bikers literally admitted to rwting before and then claimed he never rwt before lmao

[@anarchy6417]

@@7svn. it’s a joke man I bet your real fun at parties 🫤

[@triizziy]

He did it before and he did it again. He’s gonna use his following to pressure jamflex to get out

[@bballtrav]

this ban was a great gold sync ngl

[@themosthighvaluemaninthega9048]

sink

[@brandonkruse6412]

I guess you could say this was a pretty effective gold sink huh

[@MariusNinjai]

Find it funny how he used Oda's tactic with corrupt J mods when his claims had atleast some context and merit

[@NotIronUnder]

bro ive seen him "DM" in the wildy naked losing on purpose dropping bank, and him exlaiming "WTF HAPPENED" as if he didnt just do that on purpose lmao, mans a clown. KZbin shorts has this video somewhere.

[@lambarina]

I raid with someone who has told me that he sells GP, and it didn’t really concern me as a player because he is better than me, raids everyday and I’ve been learning from him. At no point have I ever purchased GP from him. We got a shadow in a raid, his drop. He split with me, and now I’ve had a 2 day ban for RWT and I have appealed it and ‘named dropped’ because I don’t want to lose what I worked for. I’m pretty off the game for this reason. No I hadn’t reported him, but that’s not my job and I had never seen any physical evidence of it.

[@AlphaApex-kz3ed]

RWT isnt just about you selling gold or items if you buy gold or items that is RWT too

[@RickRokner]

Pretty sure a new account is not automatically in clean standing. Why else would Jagex track IPs and devices used? Muling won't save you.

[@czechmate8287]

I commented offhand on a Behe video about BTCs buying his gold and somebody replied "I know the dude he buys it with Etherium from" For fucks sake, he goes by BTCs. What does that look like, Jesus.

[@xPersianxKing]

My rsn is Zezima Bot, my rs2 original account was banned for bottling. There’s a saying for this, apple does not fall far from the tree.

[@leflavius_nl5370]

Play sketchy games, win sketchy prizes.

[@sychonautica8344]

I almost feel worse for the two blokes who let BTCs hop on their accounts just to get chain banned. Like wtf..

[@ChampagneTy]

What's the TL;DR here? I assume the guy did actually RWT.

[@ChaosHero17]

Remember back in the day when we just like... played Runescape? Turning this shit into a business is weirdge.

[@austenkrebs1524]

why would you make money on something you love doing what a cringe Pepega forreal

[@Dbj6988]

LONG, LONG TIME AGO IN 2022 🤣

[@jasebas9941]

😂😂

[@RUNESCAPER123]

He was gonna get banned at some point or another, when you're the richest player AND a content creator - it's only a matter of time.

[@lampisfun1139]

…? Why? Being rich and making content has nothing to do with rule breaking. I think he actually broke rules. Even though the anti cheat team is pretty awful jagex has literally nothing to gain from banning well known players for not breaking rules. Even if they actually did break rules jagex still has some incentive to let it slide due to the PR outcome of stuff like this, which has been shown dozens of times in the past to leave a negative taste in everyone’s mouth, hence the community’s perception that the anti cheat team sucks.

[@FattyBeef]

lol

[@Fluid1227]

@@lampisfun1139 I think you missed the joke that historically, since the dawn of runescape, extremely wealthy players and content creators break rules and get banned all the time. A lot have changed as people since the times they were banned but just from a numbers perspective those 2 groups of players get rightfully banned for breaking rules far more often than normal players, combining the 2 just increases the chances and temptations of rule breaking, along with increasing the scrutiny they get from Jagex.

[@kelthice]

All this drama makes me pleased I started playing Ironman last year..

[@RS3isRealscape]

so if i trade with someone giving them say 4k mith arrows they sell the arrows then sell the gp then i am guilty of RWT when all i did was give away 4k mith arrows

[@soolve1]

I mean the guy said he RWT'D back in 2022, then says in the message "I've never RWT'd anything so im sure you can see why i'm confused"

[@ErbBetaPatched]

"Jagex is corrupt. Here's my evidence: I didn't do it. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk" -Bikers

[@Azzy-cy9mt]

If you can be banned for splitting a boss/raid drop then they need to impliment coinshare, what a stupid system.

[@impulse3248]

watch him cook

[@Fusion97K]

I think for giveaways streamers are going to have to start having people share their account status page to make sure they aren't flagged for rwt

[@Cernfus]

The bank value going up over time could be 3rd age gaining value consistently. I could also imagine this had something to do with the recent pump-and-dump on 3rd age.

[@olivieri2300]

such a dumb comment, pickaxes are worth max cash stack for a long time. it doesn't affect bank value

[@Yltimate_]

​@olivieri2300 but BTC does claim the true value not just ig value

[@olivieri2300]

@@Yltimate_ that's why there's a difference between bank value and wealth

[@Yltimate_]

@@olivieri2300 your bank value would individually cap at 2.147b

[@Yltimate_]

@@olivieri2300 oh shit I misread that

[@babyygrim]

Imagine believing that these people have never received/paid real money for gold😩😂 BLASPHEMY

[@TM26Slippy]

I bought a bond and didnt use it, ended up selling it cause it was doible the price but is that technically rwt?

[@Xhomer367]

No because Jagex gets the money, they have no issue with people mass buying bonds from them and selling them for GP in game.

[@TM26Slippy]

@Xhomer367 lmfao thanks dawg, been tripping about it but that makes sense, every game has a money grab now

[@jessicagross6017]

While he's trading the "giveaway" he says wtf they look like they're gonna sell it. He's absolutely guilty.

[@Nathan-cl2nc]

RWT should be divided into two groups, those that buy and those that sell.. the punishment should be less for those that buy and double for those that sell.. OR, find a way to make the gold farms obsolete.. Well, actually, I guess theres an easy answer... DONT do anything that might possibly get you into this situation.. dont trade players and only trade on the GE.

[@Fubarpenguin]

Let the king 🤴 cook 👨‍🍳

[@user-jm5yb9ow4u]

I get that a lot of people don't like KC's demeanor but the calling out ditter while saying he doesnt want to call anyone out by name thing, is just hilarious lol Condor fucking rules

[@Prominent_Gaming]

Paying for rank with real money or bought GP is 100% RWT lmao a lot of content creators have done this. Valid ban imo great video.

[@420noscopesonlylol6]

"I never broke the rules all the way up to having a record, why would I break the rules now?" Classic cheaters line. Top tier players are the best rule breakers because they know how the system works.

[@FifthCenturyBass]

EDIT: Connect the dots: Both streamers are banned for the money they have accepted (to do the giveaway). Likely this gold has been related to RWT (if they did not RWT themselves). Then they give away the same gold to viewers, who get lesser bans. They are distributing RWTed money You gotta see it like fake money. The one printing the money is the origin of the money and the worst guy in the line. Though, you can still be charged paying with the fake money when it is in your possession. Honestly, RWT is basically being a criminal. The relapse chance for criminals when released back into society is quite high. If the RWT was successful in the past, hes quite likely still doing it, but in a different way that is harder to detect. From what I've heard most of the DM'ers have RWT in the past, but now magically they have all stopped. Kinda sus. EDIT: technically speaking, if you accept a donation that has been obtained through RWT, you are also contributing to it (even without knowning, same counts for using drugs). So it's better to not accept donations...

[@austenkrebs1524]

innocent till proven guilty weenie hut jr lover

[@Dizzzyyy69420]

His entire being on this game is RWT/gambling related. Always has been always will be.

[@Tactics_Actual]

1:45:35 for the TL;DR BREAKDOWN. Ban is good.

[@RickRokner]

BTC personally knows "mo mo" and "Huck". They are certainly not 'random' winners. I am not sure about "SUPER BAKEDz" or "Tienda" to be fair.

[@ObiKeeenobi]

How I would do it to try and avoid a ban is trade it to an account that is an alt. Then sell it from the alt account. So I would see why Jagex would ban if traded gold was sold

[@OurBros]

He was buying gold

[@jont2576]

just imagine the rwters, stakers ,gold farmers, poker players, people who wanted to make a fortune or make a living from runescape has literally carried this game for over 20 years and kept it alive.....like do u think runescape the game would have survived past the late 2000s if it wasnt one of the most rwted currencies and underground activities market by then? runescape gold is not only one of the most rwted currencies in the history of gaming it is one of the most stable having mainted its value and desirabilty for almost two decades, when every other ingame currency have turned into confetti or dust?u think runescape survived this long because of its brilliant gameplay or mechanics or its wonderful community? it survived this long because its economy its virtual economy is one of the strongest in the history of gaming....literally triple AAA S&P rating, no one ever questioned or believed that runescape gold will ever die for 20 years thats just how strong it was..... who do u think supported that economy and demand?when literally every single mmorpg and its currency in existed died within 7 years or less, even WOW, the goliath of mmos, died before runescape back in 2018. oh but the childrens of gen z and its respective runescape management, wants to destroy everything that runescape is, and rip its soul out......for almost 17,18 years jagex management left the rwt and staking and pker and even the less savoury elements it alone for so long, because they understood, what was the lifeblood of the game, what was the real playerbase of the game, all the kids who grew up playing runescape in the early mid 2000s and were adults now.....they understood what kept the game alive for as long as it did...... today the sand casino stakers are gone, the pkers are gone, the rwters and the gamblers, the people who wanted to make a living or build an empire, the people who wanted to flip merch and be the masters of universes and make more money than god....and the game is a ghost town..... except for little gen z and gen alpha bobby who is crying about all these things and wants to build a wall in wildy and turn runescape into safescape.......non threathening and non offensive.......that and an army of bots.... the demand for osrs gold has fallen from nearly $0.80 per mil..... to less than $0.22 per mil in the last 4 years......and the demand for runescape gold couldnt be lower, u can always gauge the interest of a game by its demand for the currency and the strength of its in game economy....... this is one sad thing the jagex management today do not understand........what they are holding is an empty shell even if runescape was used for all kinds of things at least it created demand for it......whether its the massive fanbase of stakers or pkers or flippers or grinders or rwters that serves all the demand....... but jagex is selling the game i heard so it probably doesnt matter anymore. i hope jagex bans everything and watch this game die on itself.

[@GoodMrFe]

First thanks Condor for posting these vids and talking about them so I don't have to go through the cesspool of osrs subreddit myself. How this sounds to me from this bikers guy side is pretty much ''The ACT is incompetent and this ban is false because I made sure to leave no evidence of anything shady and they haven't given me that evidence that would shut me up for good''. I do think it would be good for Jagex to just come out with a hard stance and say that they do not approve this type of thing in their eyes and they do have the ability to shut accounts if they so wish, it's their right. When you take money (from streaming) and you hand out a lot of GP in the form of giveaways, that is already pretty sketchy and grey area in my eyes. Personally if I was a content creator the only form giveaway I would do is bonds.

[@spamstabber]

What do you mean? jagex already has a hard stance against this type of thing. "This type of thing" is literally RWT, and has been clearly against the rules for a long ass time, if not forever.

[@GoodMrFe]

@@spamstabber They have a strong stance against RWT yes but when there're lots of different stops along the way I feel this becomes the grey area. The stops I mean for example is when streamer gets sub money from a viewer and then enters giveaways that give lot of gp. Even if they're not restricted to just paying viewers (I dont know how it works for this bikers guy) it's still essentially a business. I don't think Jagex has addressed this type of ''RWT'', if they have please share so I can read. I feel with this sort of thing you need to give either a hard yes or hard no. Either all kinds of trade between in game and outside is ok or you don't allow any. Bond is in my eyes ok because you can use it on the person and all it does is add membership to that account.

[@sum-dum_nerd]

theres no extra steps, bikers just banking on making a fiasco of this so that he gets the most epic smackdown and breakdown of the things he or "someone" did. even though they really dont have to explain any further, he broke the rules and the tos says jagex can just delete ur shit one day just cuz its their property anyway youre really just borrowing it when you play with it

[@sum-dum_nerd]

​​@@GoodMrFealso the stance is litterally "trading real money for a chance at gp" like that doesnt boil down to using real money for gp to you i dont really follow your logic HE revieces REAL MONEY, HE trades GP to someone that PAID REAL MONEY. does it make sense yet that its litterally buying gp with extra steps, hey theres ur extra steps youre talkin about

[@GoodMrFe]

@@sum-dum_nerd I don't understand why you're telling me this lol. I literally said the same thing. I'm not defending bikers/btc whoever the fk owns this account. I'm saying Jagex should make it even clearer that any kind of RWT whether direct or indirect can result into ban

[@7svn.]

this idea of if you give someone money and they rwt it and you both are to be blamed doesnt work here people do give aways all the time, tons of streamers do this and never once have had issues, peoeple go bossing all the time and split the loot and nothing happens to them. reason why its different for bikers is due to him being followed, jagex can literally watch what you do in game, they can track everything and review it as many times as they want. remember he said he rwt before, jagex does take notes on this, if you done it before you have a higher chance to do it again, so you are most likely marked and watched.

[@jimrizzy]

right, at first i was gonna use these to defend him but then i thought "well there should be many more getting banned" with all the drop partys going on and team raids going on.... graygray thought it sucks, but that is what happens when you associate with these type of players.

[@Sadboyclique]

Didnt ayiza say to bikers sometning along the lines of the ban was for “trading hundreds of millions worth of gold” or something? That doesn’t really sound related to the rank situation imo

[@vinnievdk7425]

Out of experience I want to let everyone know. Never keep over 5 Bil in 1 account.

[@babyfood9537]

Why

[@vinnievdk7425]

@@babyfood9537 I sell coins. Have my wealth on multiple accounts

[@marisasob]

Thanks king! Watched this slapper completely. You're probably right that Bikers ban is legit. Graygray seems innocent but has affiliations and had money from bikers, so kinda grey zone innocent but not really.

[@MrShady2099]

The question people should ask, is not why BTC got banned, but how many people from the ACT DID get covered up, either by them or other people, for RWT Ayzia did say that it wasn't an overnight decision. how many dicisions got overturned? how many streamers are we supporting that cheated?

[@arturoxtv8278]

Hahaha same just got like 5days ego muted by same reason :D

[@Borchert97]

Now I can't say for certain if Jagex got this right or not but what I can say is they definitely have falsely banned a lot of people for RWT just for making high-value one-sided trades. I know because it's happened to me and I lost 1b because of it.

[@7svn.]

nah, most people who claimed to have been false ban tend to lie, if you have had 100% proof you are not breaking the rules there is a very high chance of getting your stuff back. if what you say is true then why havent all the other streamers who done huge give aways been banned? how come people who do raids and split big items not get banned?

[@Borchert97]

@@7svn. that literally does happen, all the time. Once you stop choking on Jagex's meat you'll realize that they do make mistakes, a lot of them.

[@RickRokner]

​@@Borchert97nah, you're a salty rwt'er. If you legitimately lost 1bil (that was all fairly earned) you would've fought enough to get a Jagex mod to look into it manually. It's not hard and they do it constantly. You didn't cause you are scared of the smackdown you'll get. And regardless, you and BTC are not even close to the same situation here. BTC was manually banned from the start, not system banned. Jagex definitely looked into this before taking action. BTC is bad for the game, and so are you. 👋

[@Borchert97]

@@RickRokner I don’t disagree with you that BTC is bad for the game, but I was temp banned for RWT when I wasn’t RWTing lol. Unlike BTC I’m not a content creator, it’s impossible to get it looked into. Reddit mods take posts down now and ban you from the sub for trying to fight it. I’m rich enough that 1b doesn’t matter to me as much in the grand scheme of things, but I did try for a bit. Was ignored completely on both Twitter and Reddit so it is what it is. Nothing you say can change that fact, and my conscience doesn’t mandate that you believe me. I’ll allow you to parade as the wannabe anti-cheat JMod you wish you were. I actually wish you were one because it sounds like you’d actually do more research into a ban first which is what Jagex needs. Have a good rest of your night.

[@juannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

Look at the bright side Gray grays grannie got her debt paid off lol

[@mayfalltribe4747]

If that's not God telling you to quit playing rs idk wtf is lol

[@x1rasGaming]

42:10 Classic

[@SwiftAux]

It’s kinda funny how mods will go out of their way to help streamers and provide proof and not normal people that play the game

[@wacksparrow88]

They banned someone the same way in 2006. Oh their bank is used for something else because we need to rely on methods to stop something that was too aggressive

[@gaynano42]

We all know that All his ranks in cc are RWt lets be honest here. Proven by stella and many other content creators IF you got a warning is because the giveaways was money bought and sold within the cc, allowed by bikers himself and him getting a cut.

[@xPersianxKing]

I never broke or break game rules, the only time I have was after they made buying gold against the rules. Which is dumb because I can just buy bonds.

[@Secretdawg925]

Yeah but jagex gets the bond money not a Venezuelan

[@stevegoldstein3402]

So you never broke the rules until you broke the rules? RWT has always been against the rules

[@xPersianxKing]

@@stevegoldstein3402 I don’t care

[@IjustOwnKids]

With how much gold bots inject into the game, I’m happy 1T is being removed from the game, bikers is a good kid, way to take one for the team! Single handed lay fixing the osrs economy by playing fk around and find out with the anti cheat team🎉

[@lolsamftw]

lets hope it actually gets deleted and there isnt a corrupt mod selling it on the sly....

[@jakesteel2423]

Its a shame so much time of jagex employees is wasted on people trying to social enginneer their accounts back.

[@labluntjames3039]

BTC is like an idiot in the government printing money and asking for donos to roll out free items to the poor people ruining the games economy even if it isn't rwt