Jagex released a propaganda book

[@MrCow579]

imagine hiring a guy who doesn't play runescape to write about the game while there's thousands of very talented writers playing this game.

[@danieln6700]

The guy who wrote it hasn't played? How dumb is that

[@CuppaTeeh]

It’d be bigger than the world atlas

[@gamewithadam7235]

Maybe an attempt to get a fresh take on the game's lore.

[@BulletFever1]

@@De4dSp0t wait what? 117? I'm confused what happened here. I got runeline and installed that plugin as soon as I saw it and I like it a lot, its a bit like 2008 in some ways but more its own style. I heard that jagex tried to stop it from being public due to them working on their own thing, but now its available and I don't know what they want to do.

[@isaacribeiro6823]

sorry but i disagree because if that would make sense historians out of a job, but yes the book not a encyclopedia is just beyond inaccurate/incomplete.

[@ZeEzZuEn]

Wtf how could they not mention Zezima?? One of the most. Iconic players to exist!

[@Iheartdgd]

I know right!

[@terpenator93]

Yeah that’s just disrespectful

[@michal2454]

Check his videos

[@rontoixch1033]

zez was internal

[@aaronflanary271]

Because Jagex wants Zez to die

[@thesafernoob]

hiring a non runescape player to tell a history about the game was a mistake also i wish this was a book that u pick up in 50 years and remenber the good the bad and the maybe not just propaganda

[@VictorVictor-oq6dh]

There’s no bad, for me. I love everything about rs2. The only thing I hated later on, was eoc, squeal of fortune, all the ways to afk everything, and basically buy all your levels with lamps n stuff from squeal. Everything before that, entirely joyful. I remember when the new graphics came not long before eoc. That was amazing.

[@hashamalwani2889]

@@VictorVictor-oq6dh the 2009-10 was the best

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Thats like saying only someone who participated in WW2 can write a history book about WW2. Get a gripe. Runescape players are in the whiniest crybabies in the world.

[@worried189brick2]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 we found the writer of the book lmao

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@@worried189brick2 I wish

[@InsaneSynbad]

For me, the only RuneScape book that I personally own is the Scholastic one… RuneScape: The Official Handbook.

[@quincystillgess4736]

I used to have that!!!

[@yesthisisprodigy4242]

I remember it being available to order from school at the time when they did book orders. parents never would let me get it :')

[@itsShiftyYT]

I still have mine.

[@CardScapeGame]

I have that and the trilogy novels (return to falador, the Canafis one and there was another one I forgot)

[@andrewfornes5320]

A classic.

[@pickflaxanddie2367]

3:38 wtf, is there a runescape monopoly?!

[@BrianMusic12]

Yes but instead of properties with fake dollars you buy up gfs with your fake gp

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@@BrianMusic12 *fake gfs

[@simonseis744]

The history of RuneScape written by someone who wasn't there for it? Also, RuneScape is the players, the fact that Zezima isn't mentioned once destroys this books credibility

[@DTreatz]

screw that oldie botter

[@andrzejczaczkowski6084]

Thank you very much for reviewing this book. You saved me $99.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

It's pretty good, got it as a present on my birthday. It's exactly what it claims to be, it's not perfect nothing is. It's only like $40 anyway

[@mystic-malevolence]

Fun fact. Fixing the problems later is quite inefficient. Nice video Will. It is a very pretty book. I am perplexed that community members who already produce Runescape history content weren't talked to, though I suppose the logic is that Jagex is a more primary source.

[@Berd]

irl lore book? sick

[@nicholasgreen4921]

Agreed

[@Aberrantly]

Do you even play RuneScape?

[@nicholasgreen4921]

@@Aberrantly he sorta does I believe, if not, I'm fine with that, I love the game but it the game doesn't have to be loved by everyone

[@Aberrantly]

@@nicholasgreen4921 To which I agree, but some KZbinrs tends to comment such places just to have people subscribe to them thinking that they (in this case) play the game. They're essentially stealing other YouYubers subscribers by self-advertising. Think about it, creating a new profile takes only seconds to do, yet they all decide to comment using their verified accounts?

[@blalink6458]

Irl unholy book

[@olympian3]

I hate game journalists in the first place, god forbid I read a whole book written by one, especially one who hasn’t even played the damn game.

[@MZZenyl]

Great video, lovely to see you both highlight the positives (previously unreleased concept art and facts), and the negatives (misquotes, inconsistencies, and falsehoods). For a games as complex as RuneScape, and with such a long and complex history, mistakes are to be expected, especially when the author is biased in favor of Jagex, and seemingly not an RS player themselves. But it is great that you point these out, and make it clear that the book is not objective or infallible. :)

[@draqlaw10]

I'd love if Jagex made a complete lore book. Like from the small quests to big quest line's. From the creation to Gielnor to the current 6th age.

[@FirefulXD]

THIS. i would much rather have something for the history of gielinor over the history of runescape

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

I enjoy this book and I'd enjoy that.

[@jorruskurren9408]

I've never played runsecape for more than a few hours. Yet I love your videos and the rich player lore you discuss. Keep it up please!

[@Watcher413]

I’m a on and off again player I hate the grind and EOC but I 100% love the lore and quest and seeing the game change over my 14 years of playing it. That’s what attracts me to the game and rswillmissit. But outside of all the game history and facts if you enjoy the game lore from quest point of view I’d highly recommend skilling to the higher lvls and getting that combat lvl up since the main end game quest lines are amazing. Or I suppose you can watch KZbin videos of people playing through the quest.

[@ap4702]

'Gaming Journalist'. Thats where you stop and return the book.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

The books fine

[@MeanBeanComedy]

They did put the mining and smithing rework in there. I just saw it today.

[@itr8247]

They should have open sources the book and had fans contribute to it. A runescape that focuses mostly on the first 10 years would be great for older fans.

[@RoxieDubbleU]

I love listening to your stories while playing rs3, I hope it never comes to an end.

[@godver555]

I really wanted to buy it but the delivery costs are almost as expensive as the book itself so im not going to be able to.

[@DarkRequiemFilms]

I was going to buy my until they tried springing an $83USD delivery fee to me here in Australia.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Well that's what you get for living in Australia now isn't it, hmm?

[@Alex-ot7ty]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 watch what you say about an Australian a boomerang can go pretty far

[@tormstorm]

Just got the book today myself, really excited to read through it! :D

[@RockinAfr0]

I'd LOVE for you to do a video on the story books that have been released by Jagex! A book review like this one! I know it's not something you can do regularly, but the one with the werewolves could be a nice touch for next years halloween! :)

[@rswillmissit]

I've had it on my to-do list for months! I even had an interview with the author, TS. Church, for a video on it. The approach is mainly to compare it to the canon lore in the game though, and see what the book says that's reflected in the game.

[@ghostek7792]

i got the zelda encyclopedia for christmas and it's 1 of the best things i own. seriously if you absolutely love a game these lore books are fucking awesome

[@eviltoe7432]

Well, he did work for the Guardian. Can't really of expected him to be a decent journalist aha

[@DapaChrons]

Haha nice

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Isn't really journalism though. Wasn't a bad book either way it's just a yearbook for runescape, doesn't really claim to be anything else.

[@TehKAMI]

I think that I'll still pick up the regular version despite the inaccuracies, mistakes and pretending as if Jagex are saints. However, I must admit that I'm disappointed that even a book released by them can't be "bug" free.

[@ironman2818]

Why make something better, when people like you will buy trash anyway? You're literally the cause of the problem you're crying about.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

The book is fine for what it is.

[@vinylknight]

Me still waiting for my deluxe book. I just wanna buy it for making myself past 15+ years of gaming in RS

[@jonnyc212121]

Honestly I don't really care if it's propaganda. I don't care if they completely change the history to erase every bad decision I've ever made, I still want that book. They had me by the balls with majority of those 21 years now. I want that book.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

It wasn't and they didn't.

[@ignskeletons]

Think of this book as like a "year book" for a school for the game you love

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Yep. Dunno what the crybabies were expecting. Oh wait like usual the runescape playerbase has no idea what they want and cry about everything.

[@vwabi]

To me the in-game riots and struggles Jagex has had with communication, is absolutely core to the history of Jagex and Runescape. Runescape is massively influenced by community interaction, more than most other mmo's. The riots are some of the most defining aspects of Runescape, even if they perhaps look bad to outsiders. (especially the gay pride riot... wtf) Not to mention, stories like the Rock Climbing boots fiasco or the drop potential glitch are in my opinion far more interesting and impactful to the history, than going over yet another quest.

[@rswillmissit]

Agreed!

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

The riots are some of the defining aspects of a the biggest bunch of crybaby whiners who have no idea what they want known as the runescape playerbase.

[@GameDevRogie]

10:20 That's a big fucking yikes

[@TheCooderix]

Give them some credit. They didn't lie.

[@thomasm5273]

RuneScape merch is made out of cheap materials? Can you go into deeper explanation so I know what to watch out for? I ordered some pins and was pleased with the quality.

[@rswillmissit]

Hey! The pins aren't made by Jagex' providers, but Angelscape. They're excellent quality, so no worries there! Admitedly, the recent merch have become a lot better, but I'd stear away from clothing. Hoodies, socks, T-shirts and such are all low quality products who either itch, are short-sleeved due to chinese sizes and get stained easily. There's also things like mugs and such which isn't exactly amazing either. Small and thin which breaks easily.

[@thomasm5273]

@@rswillmissit 😯 wooow I will keep that in mind thanks a lot!

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Same kinda shit you'll get from anywhere these days, nothing exclusive to Jagex.

[@emsouemsou]

One thing I like to do that's much less normie-friendly than this book but very, very comprehensive is go through the entire list of Jagex-published updates from 2001 to present day, which are all on the wiki. There's even a story told in the presentation of the updates, from Andrew saying "I'm going to put these things in the game, I hope you like them" to the polished paragraphs we see today.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

I'd get that one too

[@CabbageGod]

I wonder how you would map out the timeline of the RS book if you had played a part in it's creation. I feel like we'd get so many more random weird facts/history

[@rswillmissit]

In terms of content that's already there, I wouldn't change too much. It's very different to a timeline video considering it's made for people who don't play the game, too, so player achievements like first 99 etc wouldn't be worth bringing up. I would however definitely bring up the player perspective a lot more, which is the largest compliment the game has. Talk to famous players like Zezima, Rab and le me about what made the game so magical and their take on some of the large changes. But also how important the top ranking players were for others motivation and desire to play. I'd also include the updates I mentioned that I think were important to the game. And of course some of its darker history, because no games are perfect. Players tendency to riot in w66 is one, because of its player culture importance, how bugs shape a lot of the history of the game... Yeah, so mostly player related things :P

[@Shteven]

10:25 No wonder every single tournament has gone terribly.

[@DapaChrons]

Great video. Wish they had put more player contributions, esp player moderators and testers. Maybe in the revised edition?

[@XxCrAzYxXeIgHtXx]

I just subbed! With the bell lol great videos I've been binging them

[@Dudek0]

Well, we got a book from creators perspective but not the players perspective. I bought the book anyway as it is a treasure in mmo market. This book could have 500 pages and yet not cover the whole history.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Yea I'd love a second volume as well as a lore/quest book or a book on all the updates from day 1 to present day.

[@andipatel5044]

i can buy the vet cape now for 20 years?/

[@andipatel5044]

No

[@cru3l525]

Plz check the volume of music as background in your videos, it's sometimes hard to hear you

[@rswillmissit]

Thanks for the feedback - any particular place in the vid you had that issue? Might be my headset what plays vocals louder for some reason, so it'd be helpful with a reference point :P

[@ignskeletons]

I bought the book and the artwork alone is very much worth it. Extremely high quality art and made by Dark Horse has resulted in a good product, through the written content is not as great as the art. Nonetheless I still learned quite a bit about the history of RS and it's development with JMOD interviews

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Yep the book was exactly what it claimed to be, runescape players just want to cry and whine about everything while having no idea what they want as usual.

[@soulsreaper7145]

i know alot of ppl dont give a shit about the wildy all though im not a big pker i think that the wildy exspansion would help the whole game overreal

[@TheThepeter56]

i forgot i pre ordered it, it was a nice suprise

[@bearthegreeter]

What's the difference between the deluxe (black) vs original (red) copy?

[@rswillmissit]

The black one comes with the cover and folio, whilst the red one is just the book.

[@JerkWarlord]

Best book review I've seen for any book in a long time. Objective, unbiased, all-encompassing and whole, and looking at things from many diverse angles. Great video, Will. Thanks!

[@SketchedbySte]

Mines arriving tomorrow I was going to make a quick preview video too. I am curious how much art is actually in it as I have ordered it as an art book more than a history book.. should I prepare myself for disappointment? Lol

[@rswillmissit]

Well I mean, it is called "an illustrated history", so I think it's worth to prepare for art :P

[@VictorVictor-oq6dh]

The book needs to be mine. I will get one! Or will I? Was it only available to pre order?

[@rswillmissit]

It could be ordered on the Jagex merch store, though I'm not sure if it's still available...

[@dominiquesikkema7802]

Will, Imagine if you wrote one yourself and publish it. Do it through a channel like kickstart and Im your first buyer

[@rswillmissit]

I'd recommend checking out the one by July - The RS Historian! His is incredible and contains a ton of amazing information. :-)

[@DapaChrons]

I hope there’s a picture of the highscore page in it, at least for reference

[@olivialambert4124]

That sounds like a really generous review. To me it sounds a little like jagex actively despise the playerbase, and the book is struggling to mask that whilst being unable to admit the positive things the playerbase has had on the game and everything around that. Sometimes by openly stealing all credit, sometimes by simply burying very important episodes and players. If the book reflects Jagex' views on the playerbase I don't think many will want to support the company by buying it. If it doesn't I don't think many even should be buying a "history" book reflecting that lazily on the subject matter. Of course that's ignoring the intentional propaganda and other significant problems. That alone ultimately turns an amazing idea into an incredibly mediocre one, even ignoring Jagex' view on players.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Nope it was just a yearbook for the game which is exactly what the book claimed to be. My gosh runescape players are the whiniest cry babies in the world who have no idea what they want. If the book was written or formatted in other way you would just cry about that too. I'd ask you what you want but you have no idea.

[@FireFlashX32]

You should write one, or a series of volumes, and id back it on KS!

[@missingindy]

Ok but here’s my idea: RuneScape cookbook

[@b1O15]

Got the deluxe and im still waiting on it. Some of it sounds disapointing but thats fine. Does it mention the falador masacre? I really hope so

[@rswillmissit]

Yeah! There's a page about it. :-)

[@BartTheBardOfficial]

I bought this as a gift for my best friend who's got all 99s and some 120s. I was super happy to see this great quality product and it made him very happy too :)

[@mattpinap]

Copy all the pages and upload it online for free

[@hakanozsi]

Are there any KZbinrs mentioned in the book? Like TehNoobShow maybe?

[@rswillmissit]

B0atys name is in there, but that's only to describe who's in the pictures in the chapter about Runefest and the Golden Gnomes.

[@Chrisdoriya]

Great review, hopefully it goes on clearance sale one day for me to grab!

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

It was only like $40 on release..

[@kevindew123]

Ok that last quote of Jagex's company culture and mindset really sealed the deal on just skipping Premier club this year if im honest. Yeah you get a year's worth of content but at what cost? You basically sign yourself up for another 52 weeks of patch notes that follow after new content gets out. I dont wanna sound miserable here but man, that really changed my whole perspective on Jagex as a company

[@Aberrantly]

Wait they're skipping premier club this year?

[@apophis456]

I mean if you think it’s any different than most other companies, you’re just being naive

[@westernbambino5410]

@@Aberrantly the player/user is skipping premier club. Jagex is now doing it religiously, every year

[@Aberrantly]

@@westernbambino5410 Ooh bet, because I'm all about that fashionscape :D

[@soulseeker1651]

WTF they didn't mention Zezima! Smh.

[@lukewilliams1323]

That quote: would buy if you have played the game longer than you can admit. Yeh I feel that

[@2pacisdagoat213]

It should play sea shanty everytime you open it

[@Kitbats]

I recommend u guys buy the old one too. A blast from the past. The spine of it sucks tho last time I had one it broke not long after I bought it.

[@Iheartdgd]

The guide book?

[@brettd.watson1821]

I bought the book as well. How'd you get it so fast?

[@rswillmissit]

Not sure... It just arrived in the mail a week ago. :P

[@datproadm]

I love the deluxe book, great coffee table addition!

[@nickmeyers5798]

Last time I came this early my GF dumped me.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

I wanted this book, but I never expected all this mistakes and red flags.

[@annekedebruyn7797]

I like having the book as a fan.

[@JudgedMentalMusic]

Wow…. You realized there is “bias” in the world

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Gee who could guess that a company wouldn't want to highlight all their mistakes and failures... smfh. It's not like they don't talk about them they just don't focus on them. It's supposed to be a yearbook about RS which is exactly what it is. Just another example of the majority of the RS playerbase being a bunch of whiny crybabies who have no idea what they want and simply complain about everything.

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

the state of "gaming journalism"

[@Iheartdgd]

9:58 is that a real book in rs3 or did you edit this in?

[@rswillmissit]

It's a real book! Or.. Rest emote, technically.

[@Qardos]

in 60.30 you say that it says against it self, it dosent, it says getting to 99 will take a long time, something they thougt player woud never do. lets say it takes 2000/h to get a 99 they dident think someone woud skill a skill for 2000/h.

[@HansoloToker]

how could they possibly charge money for this book??!!?

[@FleqxMLG]

Before watching past the first minute of this video; I just heard about it yesterday and considered buying it. At that price I am definitely not buying it, regardless of what's in it.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

It was $40, the deluxe version was $99 and you got more than a book.

[@ghostek7792]

the thing is, the writer had fun learning about the game for the first time, but with that being said it's also going to be told as if the basic experience is the focus. alot of players i imagine would love more in depth content, because anyone buying this book most likely played this game for THOUSANDS of hours and already know everything like the back of their hand. also wtf where is the zezima chapter

[@rswillmissit]

Yeah, it's definitely a bit biased of me to review it after my experience with the game :P Just a shame tve way Alex portrays it is a bit... uneven to the truth

[@ghostek7792]

@@rswillmissit I would actually buy one if they released a strictly OSRS version, now that would be cool

[@keithwatson8055]

There should have been an article devoted to the top players.After all without the players there is no Runescape.How many players remember when the skill capes came out,players following those who had all capes,asking for the emote. Every player to reach top level in every skill should have been mentioned.Its a very good book but its let down by this issue.

[@Matu007]

I did not know that this book exist and now I want it

[@DerortLightBringer]

Great video, nevermind that I'm still going through ads

[@snowyrune]

Well time to wait until shipping get cheaper then I'll definitely buy it.

[@seanhettenbach2101]

What, a writer for the guardian putting out propaganda? No, never... 😂😂😂

[@kalef1234]

Incomplete book as far as i am concerned

[@jellyscape]

Wow, did they have none of the jmods give this book a once over?

[@hannesvanaspert109]

I wish there was a book on how to complete all qwest in rs3 and osrs aka the runescape qwesting book i know runelite got qwest helper but how cool would it be whit a qwest helper in a entire book one from osrs and one from rs3 (ad the end of the book the qwests in aplhabetical order just a idea)

[@hannesvanaspert109]

From 2021 and earlier so every new qwest cannot be added and maybe every 10 years a new qwest book

[@hannesvanaspert109]

Maybe also ad very easy childish exampled qwesting guide fotos

[@missingindy]

I’m not doing well, I’m sick

[@simptrix007]

If it was history book then it wouldnt be that one sided. This is 20 years of Runescape told (and heavily redacted) by Jagex. As others said better version would be the good and bad accurate book where you could read it again after 5-10 years and remember the times.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

No one is going to publish something about their mistakes. History books don't do it, film books don't do it, business books don't do it. You're expecting something unfeasible. The book is exactly what it claims to be a yearbook of Runescape.

[@montytowart1264]

Why thank you good sir.

[@rp19888]

No Zezima most legendary player ever what the hell jamalfex?

[@hannesvanaspert109]

Nice vid will miss it

[@Iheartdgd]

Anyone want to sell theirs?

[@ArturBriones]

2 L8 already bought it

[@MicoolRS]

I wanna watch it but im waiting on mine :(

[@Kranon]

If Jagex did international Shipping i would've bought it too. Sadly, this has been hurting me since i was like 12...

[@rswillmissit]

I thought they did in this situation?

[@Kranon]

@@rswillmissit Apparently not for Latin America :( It says product unavailable, as a matter of fact everything in their store is and has always been unavailable for me...

[@XxJustinxx88]

For me It wasn't the price of the book because price becomes Irrelevant when what you're getting In return Is worth the Investment rather Irl or In-game but what threw me off Is the fact that It's written by someone who has never spent a single minute playing the game and trying to write about It. I do feel like If the book would've been wrote by let's say the Gower Brothers or anyone at all that's spent nearly their entire lives playing this game like many of us has It would've been a much, much better read. You can't write passionately about something you've never experienced yourself. It's a dead read for me.

[@Scooterbeerrun]

And he's a modern journo, these types of things should be done by a biographer not someone who gets paid to make flashy summaries

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Completely irrelevant, there's only mods giving their insight and blurbs about pictures. All he did is type it up.

[@scaper12123]

Ahem, sir. I have bought the book because I *want* to.

[@DadPeakes]

I'm stil waiting on mine. :(

[@michaelp8738]

no zezima?! this is an outrage!

[@pixelh8510]

How much is it

[@Iheartdgd]

$99 plus a good chunk for shipping

[@kevintjepsv123]

i got the book to!

[@hausy]

Man Zezima was god to 12 year old me. He was more important than jagex in my eyes. It’s nuts he’s not even mentioned.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

That explains a lot

[@DTreatz]

He was the best botter

[@Sakuyushi]

Would rather buy "Designed by Apple in California"

[@Synli]

3:17 Durial lol

[@rswillmissit]

Can't be history without the Fally massacre amirite

[@trentschippers5101]

Wonderful job, thank you.

[@RuneKing324]

honestly i can justify 100 on this. Looks super clean

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Psst it was $40 for the regular version, hope you didn't drop $100