You’ve got a voice that was made for commentating test cricket.
@layzlayz56043 жыл бұрын
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@beefybuds65743 жыл бұрын
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@868BornBadd3 жыл бұрын
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@richardbradley23353 жыл бұрын
Please dont have anything to do with cricket
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@garycook50713 жыл бұрын
Disturbing the Devil in His infernal regions probably explains the screaming whenever you enter the Bank station area
@luxford603 жыл бұрын
Hmm, Satan and the financial sector. Makes sense.
@stephenphillip56563 жыл бұрын
@@luxford60 😀👍
@ziggydamaestro3 жыл бұрын
If you look carefully, you might spot a disused Central line station, Hell Infernum, long since abandoned because Satan deemed the Central line too hot even for him.
@EllieMaes-Grandad3 жыл бұрын
Deep down at Bank, on the DLR, it's cool when it's hot . . . . and very cold when it's not . . .
@adonaiyah21963 жыл бұрын
I was on the Central line and idk if it was near Bank but i remember horrible screeching
@General_Confusion3 жыл бұрын
This must be why you're not allowed to take your Cows to market on the Central Line.
@hectorthorverton49203 жыл бұрын
And Chancery Lane was SO convenient for Smithfield. I suppose we'll have to use Farringdon now.
@RobCCTV3 жыл бұрын
I often take my cow on the central line to shop in the West End and/or to go to restaurants. It makes her happy.
@hartstukken3 жыл бұрын
Crossrail will have inter-cowability though, great alternative if it ever opens!
@adwintle30603 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly sure you are, but it's the requirement to carry them on the escalator that's stopping people.
@patricialockhart21353 жыл бұрын
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@MKfsMK3 жыл бұрын
I worked on the “cooling the tube” programme at Oxford Circus. It was an interesting challenge. The system is essentially air handling units suspended above the track on each platform. They are connected to two large chillers located on the roof of a TfL owned building above the station (visible in the shot of Oxford Circus station at the end of the vid). It is very difficult to work efficiently in the small window of work you have in the middle of the night. So the whole process takes a very long time and costs an extremely large amount of money. You also have the added problem of dealing both with the LUL and the TfL who are difficult at the best of times.
@KiLLJoYYouTube3 жыл бұрын
Question as a layman: Would platform screens help with this? If a barrier existed , would it push up the air? What if the platforms had these platform doors, AND a a door blocking the train from leaving the station, that also acts as a way to deflect the air UP into a chute somewhere? Maybe even some suction fans above? If the next train pushes your hot air somewhere else and it’s contained to each station it could work, right? So rather than the piston effect affecting the whole line, you deal with the smaller sub problem and deal with it in 30+ repetitions. There may be some health and safety hazards associated with blocking the train’s path with something but I think it could be a good idea.
@MKfsMK3 жыл бұрын
@@KiLLJoYKZbin the trouble is that the train (and it’s passengers) generate heat throughout the network i.e. not just at the platforms. And even platform screens, such as the ones on the Jubilee Line, would not prevent the heat from eventually spreading in to the platform space. In an ideal world you would have regular supply and extract shafts that would remove the hot air and replace with cool air. It would be even better if the hot air could be used for something useful such as heating the buildings above the line.
@bjoernaltmann3 жыл бұрын
Sadly those chillers appear to have been off for the past few years, particularly on the hottest days. Green Park also has them. They are great when they’re running
@MKfsMK3 жыл бұрын
@@bjoernaltmann It is a shame if they have been turned off. There was a problem with vibrations from the chilled water pipework transmitting in to the building that housed the chillers. Perhaps that’s why they are off.
@toziassmitt3 жыл бұрын
@@MKfsMK what problems would vibrations cause ?
@petermarksteiner77543 жыл бұрын
Many years ago, a fried of mine described his experience on the New York subway: you are always afraid the carriages will fall apart before reaching the next station - but they do have air conditioning.
@adonaiyah21963 жыл бұрын
How come NYC 🙄falling apart train has air 🤔 but the London underground has 0 air conditioning
@Jules-773 жыл бұрын
@Peter Marksteiner So your fried friend had been on the Central line then 😂😂
@luislaplume82613 жыл бұрын
The carriages that he described were subway trains that had ceiling fan and were rebuilt with air conditioning. The oldest trains that were rebuilt were made in 1964, the R32s
@Matthew-ut6ed3 жыл бұрын
@@adonaiyah2196 Much of New York is built on solid rock - granite. So the subway lines are just below the surface making it easy to dissipate the hot air out to the atmosphere - you've seen the gratings on the streets?. (It's also the reason you can build massive tall buildings without massive deep foundations.) London is built in a river valley on clay. So the deep lines (Victoria, Central, Piccadilly etc.) are much deeper than New York and surrounded by insulating clay as Jago said. This makes it much harder to get rid of the hot air. The problem could have been addressed if AC had been considered when the lines were originally constructed but 100-120 years ago AC was in its infancy. Plus the heat problem on the Underground only really exists when we get a summer heatwave and we all know they don't last long...
@ThanksChris3 жыл бұрын
The carriages are really not that bad. It’s just that you’re guaranteed to meet at least one er, very eccentric person on every train. Good old NYC - it’s never boring.
@YouTube3 жыл бұрын
What's cooler than being cool? ST. PAUL'S! 🧊
@Frederick-7653 жыл бұрын
How does this only have 9 likes
@cocojambo-slowedreverb98353 жыл бұрын
:O KZbin commented???
@zeyangzheng14813 жыл бұрын
hummmm didnt get it...
@cyprianbeecroft5693 жыл бұрын
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@cameradoesstuff...3 жыл бұрын
Omg its youtube
@adwintle30603 жыл бұрын
The irony is that rather than hell heating up the tube, the effect is actually the other way. After a hundred years the earth around the Central Line tunnels is now 10-15 degrees hotter than it was when the tunnels were built, something that's actually caused some structural problems as the London Clay dries out and contracts. Nothing serious and easily fixed with a quick squirt of concrete in the right place, but an interesting extra wrinkle in the struggle to keep the tube cool.
@adonaiyah21963 жыл бұрын
How is it possible to squirt concrete deep in the tunnels like really deep
@simontist3 жыл бұрын
@@adonaiyah2196 with a pipe I suppose
@sergarlantyrell78473 жыл бұрын
I wonder if anyone has thought to use that extra heat in the clay to heat the buildings along the route during winter via ground source heat pumps.
@simontist3 жыл бұрын
@@sergarlantyrell7847 I think given they can't even figure out air conditioning, that's a bit much to ask.
@sergarlantyrell78473 жыл бұрын
@@simontist but air conditioning the trains is only going to make the tunnels and platforms hotter. The heat needs to be removed from the system entirely.
@tyronerodgers3 жыл бұрын
I remember being in a carriage that stopped for about a 10 mins between Chancery Lane and Bank back in the mid 90s. It was mid-August, the train was packed. It was one of the worst experiences in my life...
@ovig89173 жыл бұрын
So you have basically been to hell and back...!
@johnfitzgerald76183 жыл бұрын
I lived through the hot Toronto summer when the Bloor line's trains' air conditioning failed, but I have never been as uncomfortable as I have been on the Central Line.
@se-kmg3553 жыл бұрын
Had the same experience. I am not claustrophobic, but when you are in a small area and feel the heat creeping up on you, it is not a pleasant feeling. Someone kept pressing the emergency call button to the driver, probably a panic attack, and he keep coming back that there is nothing he can do until we get to the station.
@stephensaines71003 жыл бұрын
@@johnfitzgerald7618 In the Toronto case, the end cars of the train were cooled...because the drivers (one alternately acting as guard at the other end of the train) refused to drive the trains otherwise. Union edict, and also required under Ontario health and safety regs, rightly so. Also the Toronto cars are a larger loading gauge than most BR trains! Even packed in like sardines, the tin is a hell of a lot bigger, and taller. There's lots of space overhead. I live in Toronto, btw. I'm a Dual.
@johnfitzgerald76183 жыл бұрын
@@stephensaines7100 Thanks for the information, Stephen. Makes you wonder about the British health and safety laws. As for the height of the trains, I'm 6' 2" and in the old days spent most of my time on the Underground stooped over. Many of the cars are still difficult for people over 6'. And that's no great height. Of course I banged my head a lot of times getting out of the old PCC streetcars.
@elainebines68033 жыл бұрын
In the summer during hot weather, I used to go into the few smoking carriages, as in the heat I would rather smell cigarette smoke than various odours which permeated the non smoking carriages. I fainted once and went two stops before it was noticed. That's because we were so packed in like sardines, the other tube travellers were literally keeping me standing! Clearly, not much has changed. Thank you for yet another interesting video on your channel 👍
@baxtermarrison53613 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be the first time I have passed out on my way home from the office, the Circle line from Temple to Bayswater Road. Most embarrassing.
@chizzieshark3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I've never passed out, but I did have a horrendous nosebleed on the Bakerloo line going to work. It's the worst nosebleed I've ever had in my life. I tried to stop it discreetly but blood was gushing everywhere and getting onto my bag and clothes. The lady sitting next to me even got up and moved to another seat! Thankfully other passengers were much kinder, offering me tissues and advice. To avoid further embarrassment (and potential haemorrhage), I got out at Marylebone and sought help from a TFL staff member. They were horrified at the sight of me, but so helpful and kind!
@ugiswrong3 жыл бұрын
These days you’d find yourself in a Tiktok music video were that to happen, also massive age-gap flirting
@samuelfellows69233 жыл бұрын
For a nosebleed, get a tissue hold it on your nose and tightly pinch/clamp with your hand, that is what my mum told me 😉
@alfrredd3 жыл бұрын
Thank god for the Air conditioning on all Madrid Metro trains 🙏 I thought it was common practice all over the world 😳.
@OzzyOscy3 жыл бұрын
_"I'm never going to grow up to be some old fart that watches documentaries about trains."_
@tdb79923 жыл бұрын
As an Australian who has spent many a year living in the UK (London and Newcastle) I can promise you that an Australian summer is infinitely preferable to a British summer. The way Britain seems to retain heat and is unable to disperse it results in hell on earth. That said, an Australian winter will put hair on your chest. You've not experienced freezing cold misery until you've spent a winter in Melbourne. The British design traditions we inherited were convinced Australia is always hot when it quite simply isn't.
@BLX1873 жыл бұрын
It gets cold there? Always thought summer there was like spring time here
@unconventionalideas56837 ай бұрын
It is hot compared to Britain. That’s true even in the winter.
@unconventionalideas56837 ай бұрын
@@BLX187 It is much hotter than in Britain. However, it is still a good idea to make sure your homes are well insulated.
@YeahIDontKn0wEither6 ай бұрын
The idea Melbourne is cold is a joke all the norther cities of Australia throws at Melbourne, because of how much Melbournians like to proclaim they're the real city of Australia. It's not _biting_ cold like the British winter, it just goes as low as 5C during the winters.
@DutchSteamboat3 жыл бұрын
Never use a carriahge with a driver's cab in it - there is sod all ventilation. Thanks to Jago for explaining why those vents at St Pauls offer a little relief. I wondered why the air was a bit cooler.
@DominoLarry3 жыл бұрын
The Central Line is hotter than the EU standard for lifestock transportation. WELL good you're not EU anymore, right.
@ovig89173 жыл бұрын
This made my day...cheers!
@markrichards6363 жыл бұрын
Yes, thanks, great to be out of the EU.
@eadweard.3 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain this comment to me? Edit: On second thoughts I think I understand: If Britain were in the EU, their livestock laws would have meant a cooler tube. Interesting idea.
@markrichards6363 жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. So the tube is hotter now since they left the EU?
@eadweard.3 жыл бұрын
@@markrichards636 The bigger issue for me is that the tube doesn't carry livestock. So I struggle to see how those laws would have helped anyway.
@TheTM1Channel3 жыл бұрын
01:05 The heat was caused by the underground railways disturbing the devil? How can that be? A lot of the lines were Charles Yerkes' idea in the first place, so I doubt he'd find them disturbing. Or am I confusing different characters in this series? (And the mid 2020s is looking like the next chance most of us outside the UK will get to visit London, if one is being optimistic.)
@hartstukken3 жыл бұрын
hilarious
@samuelfellows69233 жыл бұрын
✝️ - An overly christen philosphor had that depiction/reference to the spiritual realm = that is hell: the devil - Satan 👹, his demons/demonic minions, the fire & brinestone with the spirituality dead/goats in it, is thought to be, depicted/referenced being in the middle of the earth - when I, a saved Pentecostal Christian refer to hell, I point to the floor, when at church, the pastor is preaching at the lectern, when referring to hell he lowers his hand and points to the floor. Same thing with heaven; where God the father, Jesus Christ, the angels and the saved Christians/sheep are, is depicted/referenced to being above us = when referring to heaven I point to the sky/ceiling, same thing with the pastor at church. Yes, I know you would screech in the replies/comments to this comment, about the rock, tectonic plates, magma, outer & inner cores, in the centre of the earth, and the sky - above the blue colour, satellites, space junk, outer space and the moon… I know about that. what God has also said in the Bible that the first/current heaven is also referred to as the unseen state = as it is spiritual we can’t physically see it, and that we are in the physical realm that unfortunately is sin cursed. God also said that St John was given a vision by an angel of a description of a new heaven and earth, that the current one isn’t interesting - when Jesus was crucified on the cross, he referred to the current heaven as “paradise” to the the thief next to him, but the new one is described to us so we can look forward to it 🥰
@archstanton61023 жыл бұрын
@@samuelfellows6923 Do you mean christian philosopher?
@henrybest40573 жыл бұрын
@@archstanton6102 An overly christian phosphor, someone with so much "faith" that they glow in the dark?
@archstanton61023 жыл бұрын
@@henrybest4057 That must be the holy spirit igniting
@johnkeepin75273 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that we heat things up automatically just by being there - roughly 100W each person thermal, so any unventilated place soon warms up.
@stuartkinnear24783 жыл бұрын
I remember being grateful for the bit of air coming though that slidey window thing up at the front of the old tube cars when I rode them a couple years ago. I definitely felt quite claustrophobic and short of breath on some of those old trains. Luckily as a tourist I was always travelling off peak so the trains were never crammed full. I can't imagine how bad that would be at peak times.
@stephensaines71003 жыл бұрын
That's the custard to your tart...
@gilles1113 жыл бұрын
The heat comes from disturbing the devil? Well, in rush hour the system is crowded like hell so it might be a valid reason.
@Mindsi3 жыл бұрын
Quatermass film, do u remember it? 1950s or 60s
@crispoman3 жыл бұрын
St Paul's is one of the coolest stations on the tube? Strange, I don't think I've ever see hipsters congregating there...
@stevemoss77933 жыл бұрын
Neither have I, but I wouldn't expect to since to someone of my age hipsters are articles of clothing...
@carbon12553 жыл бұрын
Hipsters were at St Paul's before it was cool.
@EdekLay3 жыл бұрын
Hipsters probably associate St Paul's with oppression some how, they'd only go there to protest. The hipsters architecture of choice is a shack serving all things soy.
@kavorkaa3 жыл бұрын
Interesting to know 38% of the heat comes from trains braking,to me the tube smells of brake pads and the Central line particularly so
@mrb.56103 жыл бұрын
No idea but i imagine most of the speed is scrubbed off with big resistors wired to the motors acting as generators. More than willing to be proved wrong !
@andy1514-g1q3 жыл бұрын
@@mrb.5610 it puts the energy back into the rails as electricity - hence regenerative, it re-generates. if it was using resistors it would just be creating a similar amount of heat electrically instead of via friction.
@danlastname90023 жыл бұрын
@@andy1514-g1q 1992 stocks use rheostatic, friction AND regenerative braking - so yes, the 1992 stocks do generate heat through resistor banks. On the Waterloo and City fleet, the regenerative braking's actually been disabled.
@cptrelentless800853 жыл бұрын
I thought the smell was human skin cells
@stephensaines71003 жыл бұрын
@@danlastname9002 I think you'd best check your reference on that. DC series motors can't regeneratively brake, at least not in the way you posit. The sub-station feeding the motors can, with choppers inserted, but best read this: Tunnel vision: the challenge of cooling the London Underground It carries five million passengers a day and is integral to the smooth running of the capital - but could the Tube also allow developers to tap a huge secondary heat source? Andy Pearson investigates Posted in May 2018 www.cibsejournal.com/technical/londons-tunnel-vision/
@stevewalsh19873 жыл бұрын
Great video Jago. The new trains will be Air Cooled not Air Coditioned as Air Con on the trains would make the tunnels even warmer as there is nowhere for the aircon waste heat to go.
@Rog54463 жыл бұрын
That means passengers would be freezing on the train, and boiling on the platforms.
@JasperJanssen3 жыл бұрын
What does air cooled mean? Cooling the air is the same thing as air conditioning.
@stevewalsh19873 жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen basically they have an air circulation system in the train which will move air around but its not air conditioned. If you watch the new tube for london video on youtube it shows what it is.
@stakebuster3 жыл бұрын
@@stevewalsh1987 link for convenience kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGS0YXmQirB7obs
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
@@stevewalsh1987 Well frankly that sounds like smoke and mirrors. Underground trains have been air cooled for years through opening side windows and carriage end windows - which will disappear in the new trains. I suspect the air cooling referred to in the video is really air conditioning. Which is fine until it breaks down, or you have a total power failure. Then it really would be hell underground, possibly fatal. Ever been in a BR Class 158 with aircon broken on a hot day?
@jms0193 жыл бұрын
Problem with air-conditioned tube trains is that it cooks those on the platform instead. Regenerative braking definitely good though moving from fluorescent to LED probably overstated
@Wozza3653 жыл бұрын
That air is probably easier to remove from the platforms than the trains though
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
@@rin_etoware_2989 Unfortunately not, it cooks the entire tunnel wherever the trains are, it's just that it's more noticeable at stations.
@hectorthorverton49203 жыл бұрын
With air conditioning the heat has to go somewhere, so cooler trains means hotter platforms. Perhaps they could market the Central Line as a travelling sauna?
@iurope48342 жыл бұрын
uhhhhh
@iurope48342 жыл бұрын
it doesnt feel hot
@cjayos76543 жыл бұрын
"The Central line really takes the biscuit...then burnt it". Made me laugh, and I snorted tea out of my nostril.
@samuelfellows69233 жыл бұрын
😁
@yesthen27043 жыл бұрын
Ew
@eseopu3 жыл бұрын
How the hell do you do that?
@uktony15253 жыл бұрын
As someone that used to commute from Ealing Broadway to Gants Hill I can confirm that even in winter the trains can be hot, in summer they are often unbearable.
@MrGreatplum3 жыл бұрын
A very cool video… Won’t an air conditioner train just be pumping warm air into the tunnels though and unlike the sub service lines doesn’t have the space / ventilation to dissipate the hot air?
@Rebasepoiss3 жыл бұрын
The implementation of regenerative braking means that the heat output of the new trains with air conditioning will actually be smaller than the current trains without AC. They are also planning on introducing some station and tunnel cooling schemes to lower platform temperatures. See more in this feasibility report, page 26: content.tfl.gov.uk/ntfl-feasibility-report.pdf
@mudmucks3 жыл бұрын
Run the AC full blast while they are above ground, get the carriages frosty as fcuk, and then let them heat up in the deep level section? 😁😁
@MrGreatplum3 жыл бұрын
@@Rebasepoiss - that’s clever stuff - thanks for the info!
@MrGreatplum3 жыл бұрын
@@mudmucks - the Victoria line wants a word with you!
@stephensaines71003 жыл бұрын
@@Rebasepoiss From your reference: [This would enable less heat to be discharged into the tunnels and Underground stations, which would potentially reduce the need for infrastructure cooling and/or reduce temperatures] The heat has to go somewhere, and this is just pumping it into the tunnels, not converting it into other forms of energy that can be used productively.
@gatorbackradial3 жыл бұрын
What's cooler than being cool? St. Paul's cold! (Alright alright alright alright alright)
@AtheistOrphan3 жыл бұрын
Hey ya!
@QuarioQuario543213 жыл бұрын
I don’t get it
@archstanton61023 жыл бұрын
@@QuarioQuario54321 it is a reference to song lyrics. Hey ya by Outkast
@fetchstixRHD3 жыл бұрын
"Lend me some warmth, I am your neighbor!" - people who live above the Central Line in winter, probably
@CarbuncleYT3 жыл бұрын
It’s funny because everyone dances to that song and thinks it’s happy but it’s actually a pretty serious song about being on relationship that you’re not actually happy. The lyric “You don’t hear me, you just wanna dance” shows that! Have a great day guys!
@djguy1003 жыл бұрын
I worked in London for years, I miss the tube like I would miss cancer.
@tomdennison14673 жыл бұрын
Let's hope that when they finally get Crossrail working it will reduce the amount of passengers having to use the Central line.
@xanaus59203 жыл бұрын
As an Australian the idea of not having aircon on a train is mindboggling to me, we would not survive as a nation without it!
@andrewhotston983 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting - especially the bit about how much the train brakes heat up their surroundings. I always regarded the deep level tubes as infernal regions, though, and am very grateful I rarely need to use them these days.
@j3ojos3 жыл бұрын
I’m literally moving to South Wales to stop having to use the line. My days of commuting from Debden to Bond Street needed to end haha
@j3ojos3 жыл бұрын
@@andymerrett a lovely Caerphilly to Newport is on the cards for me haha
@j3ojos3 жыл бұрын
@@BenG1874 I applaud you for your failure to understand that my comment was intended in jest. My reasons for moving are multidimensional, and trust me, the central line is faaaar down that list.
@dylanallman61943 жыл бұрын
Believe me, Caerphilly to Newport might be cooler, but is still just as crammed as the LU - TfL rail here deliver a poor service in peak times, tends to be 2 carriages on an old Class 150
@BenG18743 жыл бұрын
@@j3ojos I applaud you for not getting my intended sarcasm. But this is the problem in general with text comments. Good night.
@currymuncher69803 жыл бұрын
@@BenG1874 lmao
@andyjohnson49073 жыл бұрын
I used to stand by the door that connects the carriages, with the window wide open, getting blasted by cool air. But I had to fight for it. There would be people standing there with jackets on and the window closed. Absolute maniacs.
@Trockenshampooleopard3 жыл бұрын
"Thanks to my *fans* on Ko-fi and Patreon" - I see what you did there, Jago.
@sineo82333 жыл бұрын
"Trains get refreshed every 2 minutes" Central line: what does it say?? Meh prolly
@edepillim3 жыл бұрын
Back in 1989, l was on the bakerloo trying to get to paddington. This was part of my daily commute. The old stock train halted just before Regents Park. It was the evening rush hour, mid summer and it was standing room only. Plenty of back packers ready to turn round and take your eye out. We were stuck there for an hour! The heat was intense, people opened all the small windows, no announcement! I was starting to panic but luckily l had a very funny book that took my mind off the situation. The train then moved. Phew, but then it stopped again for 15 minutes. At Regents Park l managed to revive a bit. We were never told what was up. After that l caught the bus from Victoria to Paddington, an express service but then London transport cancelled the route.
@johnburns40173 жыл бұрын
*38% of heat is via braking.* Re-gen braking and LED lights must make a significant impact in keeping the stations cool and in running costs. As well as reducing the carbon footprint. LED lighting is cheap to instal in most cases, as it is just replacing a lamp. The Mersey Rail tunnel under the River Mersey, built in 1886, has a parallel ventilation tunnel of about 2 metres diameter - it also has a drainage tunnel under as well. Boring a 1.5 to 2 metres wide vent tunnel parallel to the Central Line tunnel, that runs off to more convenient surface vent shafts, may be a more permanent solution. The vent tunnel may only be in small sections, not the whole run of the tunnel. Keeping the stations cooler naturally, would reduce the need for expensive to run mechanical cooling like air-con units in the stations and on the trains - or at least make them cheaper to run. As an aside, the water pumped out of the Mersey Rail tunnel's drainage tunnel was used to heat and cool adjacent buildings, using heat pumps - *50 years ago.*
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
Very interesting point. Cold air naturally sinks and warm air rises, so suitable double vent lines leading to the surface somewhere should get hot air out of the tunnels - unless it's equally hot up top. The vents might emerge some way from the tracks, wherever there is space. Maybe in one of the central London gardens mentioned by Jago recently.
@johnburns40173 жыл бұрын
@@iankemp1131 There is short sightedness for sure. Crossrail runs parallel to the Central Line for a fair length. The ventilation construction could have been joint between the two lines and clearly could have been constructed simultaneously
@DaimlerSleeveValve3 жыл бұрын
Because they introduced regen, they took the opportunity to INCREASE the power to the motors, giving better acceleration. The idea was that consumption evened out over the line. The older trains drew 1.4MW, the current ones 1.9MW.
@stephensaines71003 жыл бұрын
Excellent post John. This is a case of a "working fluid" to transit the heat much more efficiently than air itself would or could. Discussed here: www.cibsejournal.com/technical/londons-tunnel-vision/
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
@@DaimlerSleeveValve But do the current ones on the Central Line and Victoria Line actually have regen? If so, it's hard to see how new trains will balance out the extra heat generated by aircon?
@29brendus3 жыл бұрын
I'm no fan of the central line and that's the cold truth. In the days of 'shaft' and the 'three degrees', I was radiant about the central line, but these days I'm on the Pick-a-chilly line to Thermos Grove.
@samuelfellows69233 жыл бұрын
😁
@Bondek19963 жыл бұрын
My abiding memory of the Central line in hot weather is hopping from Oxford Circus to St. Paul's. It got packed. Holding onto a grip, there was this guy doing the same but he was wearing a t-shirt. His armpit was an inch or so from my nose. The smell was one thing but my nose started to itch. I tried wriggling my nose but failed and then started to sniff. Never been so glad to get off a tube train before.
@the_monza_man3 жыл бұрын
Ironically, the Bank platforms of the DLR (deepest of all Bank platforms) must be the COOLEST underground platforms, as they have the perfect ventilation arrangement of twin tunnel bores directly up to ground level. Always cool on the hottest days.
@benh28073 жыл бұрын
I LOVE how you make something which should be so dull so interesting. Love your videos.
@ranulfdoswell3 жыл бұрын
0:25 Was expecting "How hot is it? So hot they coloured it red on the maps."
@johnmurrell31753 жыл бұрын
In fact the most dangerous situation is a stalled packed train in bright sunlight - they can get very hot and if the saloon fans (where fitted) stop the humidity & temperature can build to dangerous levels quite quickly. It is the combination of heat & humidity that kills as sweat no longer evaporates and people suffer from hypothermia.
@stuartjackson34493 жыл бұрын
The heat is unbearable , I’ve seen people nearly faint !
@TheTwicezero3 жыл бұрын
I’ve caught someone as they literally fainted in front of me.
@stuartjackson34493 жыл бұрын
@@TheTwicezero many summers ago was a living nightmare man !!
@damienbell74123 жыл бұрын
Stop complaining. It’s not that bad, people just love to moan.
@hyperdistortion23 жыл бұрын
It’s ‘reassuring’ to know I wasn’t just imagining the Bakerloo being up there as one of the warmest lines! Here’s hoping the new deep-level stock become TfL’s coolest trains…
@theuncalledfor3 жыл бұрын
@asioe kiou The underground is saturated with horrible air pollution from the freaking brake pads, to the point where you're safer breathing the damn car exhaust on the surface.
@amycupcake68323 жыл бұрын
When those trains get aircon, that will make the temperature in the station itself much worse
@adzib18233 жыл бұрын
Yes and no, if they can sort out the "38% from braking" by a decent amount then the two may well offset each other to a large extent... One can hope
@Mainyehc3 жыл бұрын
Also, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they took the cooling down a notch in whatever deep tube sections with poorer ventilation; every passenger, both those coming from the suburbs and those taking the trains in central stations, will benefit, as trains will enter those sections with cooler air on the inside to begin with even if the system switches to regular ventilation only.
@HweolRidda3 жыл бұрын
@@stephensaines7100 A bit more precisely, air conditioning on an underground train can be described as merely stirring the heat. Pump heat out of the cars into the tunnels and stations, where the doors open to let it all in again. Toronto has had air conditioning in cars forever but somehow the trips aren't sweat free. :-( Ultimately ventilation is the only answer for getting rid of heat. BTW, one reason for pumping in cool air is to push hot out out.
@MrTheMiguelox3 жыл бұрын
@@stephensaines7100 No, regenerative braking does not transform heat into electricity, it transforms motion into electricity, by using the eletric motors as generators it transforms the motion of the train into electricity and gives it back thru 3rd rail to the electrical grid.
@BrianSu3 жыл бұрын
air cond generates a lot of heat. However, other countries have managed to air condition their deep subway lines. I'm not sure why they can and we can't because the lines are at about the same depth.
@cheeksgt3 жыл бұрын
I’ve wondered this for years!!!
@simonwhitlock91893 жыл бұрын
35 degrees eh, that's a nice summer day here in Australia
@PMA655373 жыл бұрын
very different humidity
@DenkyManner3 жыл бұрын
Without fail, any topic about somewhere being too hot you'll get an Australian saying how that's nothing.
@eleanordukes-swyer75703 жыл бұрын
I use a walking stick and got offered a seat on the central line on one of the hottest days of the year. I politely declined as I was stood by the window - the breeze is wonderful
@frglee3 жыл бұрын
Unpleasant memories of working in the City through the great heatwave and drought in 1976. The District Line was just about bearable if you arrived and left early (easy with a flexitime company). The best place to be was by the connecting door of the carriages with the window down.
@goldgiverbeatz74333 жыл бұрын
I used to go from Mile End to Ealing Broadway , you can imagine my misery on journey 😂😂
@captainufo45873 жыл бұрын
I thought the problem with having air conditioning on trains on the deep level tubes is that the on board AC is exchanging heat with the already overheated narrow tunnels.
@HweolRidda3 жыл бұрын
Works fine if you insulate the carriages and do not open the doors in stations.
@captainufo45873 жыл бұрын
@@HweolRidda Not opening the doors in stations will also improve travel times, they should've thought of it sooner.
@williamhuang83092 жыл бұрын
@@C20F It's satire
@DaimlerSleeveValve3 жыл бұрын
When I was regularly visiting LUL depots (late 90s). I found that the standard trains drew 1.4MW - that's over 4600 3KW electric heaters going full blast. The new stock, then being introduced, drew 1.9MW, limited down from 2.0MW. Regenerative braking was supposed to mean that the consumption over the line averaged out.
@AlexanderWright13 жыл бұрын
The trouble with air-conditioned carriages is that the heat is just pumped into the air in the tunnels. This makes the stations hotter and potentially makes the tunnels more dangerous if they are needed to escape the trains. The only real solution is to pump the heat out of the tunnels.
@danlastname90023 жыл бұрын
The NTfL fleet are not air conditioned - they're air cooled. Air cooling doesn't create heat, as far as I can tell.
@samuelfellows69233 жыл бұрын
@@danlastname9002 - so these new trains will have more ventilation fans in them 🤨
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
@@danlastname9002 They will in fact be air conditioned, see links elsewhere in the comments. Air cooling was a rather sloppy term used in the TfL video and contradicted by their own articles. But for air cooling, the cool air has to come from somewhere - and there isn't any in the tunnels ...
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
@@samuelfellows6923 Quite so! They will in fact be air conditioned.
@handsoffmycactus29583 жыл бұрын
And have windows that open and fans in stations that blow air round
@IlfordRetro3 жыл бұрын
I should be used to your impressive deep dives by now, but breaking down the different cooling systems really is a whole new level of detail
@AmechiDion3 жыл бұрын
It is infact the 4th circle of Hell and all who travel on it are serving some kind of cosmic penance
@emdentaylor11103 жыл бұрын
my favourite line is the met line just for the sweet sweet air con. nicer to be on a train than outside on some hot days
@rogerkearns80943 жыл бұрын
00:33 Terrible joke - but at least the girls on train laughed for you! ;)
@LegendaryHopOnBaby Жыл бұрын
I have the It's Cooler Below poster hanging in my room... and, somewhat conversely, its sister poster, which states It's Warmer Below. So, that's nice and clear.
@garrygalloway50433 жыл бұрын
Hot and humid, especially between Bank going towards Liverpool Street where the train is often held. Nightmare.
@workonesabs3 жыл бұрын
Yeah used that line many times was so hot i had my top off and was still sweating...! Found The Bank and Morden the worst as it's around 1/2 way into the line, as at Finchley it's ok, but feel the carriage warming up as people cram in...
@craigcook97153 жыл бұрын
I like how at 5:41 or so, the ad on the right side of the shot is "ICE-COLD MAGIC" ... nice Easter egg. And relevant only to this video (or others with similar concepts).
@BrianSeaman3 жыл бұрын
Great vid Jago. I wonder if tube travellers still get the sensation of their ears popping between Stratford and Mile End on the Central Line? That must be some gradient as the tube rushes down towards central London. As a kid I used to dread the ear popping ride. Cheerio for now.
@liamchefstone873 жыл бұрын
Yes it happened to me last time I was visiting my uncles who live in Mile End
@nomusician47373 жыл бұрын
I remember the first time I went down the London tube and the wall of heat. I live in Stockholm, Sweden. Here the tube is built more or less 100% in the bedrock which means the heats get "drained" away. It is between 16-18° year round, no matter the weather.
@neilforbes4163 жыл бұрын
Cool down the line? You'll get Arthur Fonzerelli's vote! Aaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
@SecretSquirrelFun3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for sharing your video. I really loved that quote about the tunnels taking us closer to the devil. I’m really hoping that particular individual had no say (officially) in how things proceeded. Thanks again and take care of you 🙂🐿
@zakariahassan72913 жыл бұрын
Always hated the central line, so loud and too hot whilst being the most packed. 🥵
@mrkipling22013 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you. Not a good experience!!
@alkalinekats83003 жыл бұрын
ngl, I find it crazy that I am ever interested in these videos because this will most likely be a train system I might never ride on, yet I know more about it than most of my London based online friends
@beachbum46913 жыл бұрын
Delight as ever and riddled with research, absolutely fascinating thank you Jago :)
@LivingForTheJoker9993 жыл бұрын
Anyone else get this video in their recommendations after the heatwave this weekend? I avoided the central line like the plague 😂
@vincenthuying983 жыл бұрын
Dear Jago, kinda funny that only ventilation has been looked at as a solution to tackle the accumulation of heat inside the tunnels. Heat pump systems should be able to bring a much better solution here. One in which the tube could interchange its heat to cool its tunnels and possibly offer the excess warmth or cold to either cool or heat adjacent structures. Air conditioning on the trains may seem a step in the right direction, however, because these units travel inside the tunnels, their ‘exhaust’ heat will further increase the temperature inside the tunnels. Hence, this installment will only lead to a more pressing argument for tackling the heat accumulating inside the tunnels.
@haltendehand13 жыл бұрын
This is already being done in some places (though the focus is on getting the heat out during winter, as buildings of course don't want it in summer). See www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/03/06/heat-from-london-underground-tunnels-to-warm-homes-and-schools/
@HenryMidfields3 жыл бұрын
What would stop the stations themselves adopt station-wide ACs like Tokyo or Hong Kong?
@vincenthuying983 жыл бұрын
@@haltendehand1 Heat pumps are able to either heat or cool, especially with a high temperature source like from the L.U.L. The basics of a heat pump is comparable with a fridge, to cool they produce heat. Following, if you already have heat, it becomes all the more easy to cool. One on one heat exchange can be put next to block heating systems. Their energy losses are much higher than in heat pump systems. Mainly because heat pumps use other mediums than air or water to transfer their energy. The closed system round evaporator and condensor requires an expandable gas that can easily phase change from gaseous to fluid. In that process a lot of energy can be gained. Something, which the L.U.L. should put to good use. Now they just throw it away.
@vincenthuying983 жыл бұрын
@@HenryMidfields Nothing, it will cost a lot of energy, while the energy in the form of heat is already available. The only thing that’s needed is that this source is transformed in to cold. Heat pump systems are excellently suited for this transformation.
@HenryMidfields3 жыл бұрын
@@vincenthuying98 I'm not sure about Europe, but I always wondered why some of the (mainly older) underground stations in Sydney lack air conditioning and are so hot even during winter. Particularly Town Hall Station when there is already duct space above the ceiling. Actually, what do Europeans, Americans, and Australians think of Asian-style station-wide AC?
@johnmurrell31753 жыл бұрын
The Victoria, Central, Jubilee & Northern Line trains already have regenerative braking so no reduction in energy loss when these are replaced. When the Victoria Line opened the Tunnel walls were so cold that they were running in condensation and the track bed was flooded - they had great problems getting them to work for commissioning. The methods employed included running empty trains with no signalling system to use the Piston Effect to try to remove the moist air.
@teeq9853 жыл бұрын
I’ve been dealing with this heat for 19 years of my career. I will not miss it when those fancy new trains come in.
@BaseReality3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for changing your microphone settings. The new setup is a lot easier to understand for myself, and possibly others with audio dyspraxia.
@OllieTattersall3 жыл бұрын
I remember too vividly the inferno of heat that hits you as soon as you enter Bank station in the summer. Talking of Bank station, are able to pinpoint the source of that rather unique "aroma" that is just as inescapable as the heat?
@andyjohnson49073 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was Bank and two stops in its radius which I called The Danger Zone. Get by that window and pull it open before you get there!
@keithspillett52983 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. It's amazing to realise exactly how much heat is generated by a train's brakes!
@bobobahia3 жыл бұрын
So the solution is aircon. What a revelation. All the trains here in Tokyo have aircon and it's pleasant, even during the hot and humid summer.
@matthewhodes19083 жыл бұрын
it's very deep underground so u can't just put it in suddenly
@Mike_53 жыл бұрын
In India the tube train drivers would leave the carriage doors open to ventilate the train as it moved along but those dreadful Health & Safety people have said that this is a very naughty thing to do now in the UK
@Teamcrapsheep3 жыл бұрын
Traveling on that hell hole is best avoided whenever possible.
@neilthehermit46553 жыл бұрын
My favourite part of a Sunday ( or any day) - A new Jagoo video and a fresh cup of coffee to keep me happy ! Yea !
@user-s1o3nr5323 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Devil Theory - it's more in tune with today's general craziness.
@dukeofaaghisle73243 жыл бұрын
From the 1980s, I remember a great feeling of relief when reaching cooler air as eastbound trains pulled into Stratford. I really don’t know how people put up with it every day.
@mkpieris13 жыл бұрын
Central line: pretty darn hot Victoria line: let me introduce myself If you know ya know
@alizasheikh52893 жыл бұрын
Central is hotter
@mkpieris13 жыл бұрын
@@alizasheikh5289 man Victoria line from Victoria to Highbury and Islington in the summer is a literal oven
@thanostomjuniorthegod40943 жыл бұрын
Jubilee line: The best line in London
@jaklawrence43012 жыл бұрын
I often have to travel from King's Cross to Kensington Olympia in the summer for work; I usually just get the circle line to Hammersmith and walk from there, those trains are positively chilly, it's glorious.
@cav42903 жыл бұрын
No reference to the devil himself, I thought Yerkes would have a "hand" in this hot topic. Any chance to make a video on Green Park? Thank you again for your most entertaining content!
@SeverityOne3 жыл бұрын
Indeed I was a bit disappointed and equally surprised that this wasn't somehow Yerkes' fault. After all, the name of this fine and upstanding member of society has been sullied and maligned often enough on this channel.
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
@@SeverityOne With plenty more maligning to come!
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
Green Park is on the list!
@cav42903 жыл бұрын
@@JagoHazzard Thank you! Please try to include some bits on the very eccentric Ritz Hotel building next to it, unless that deserves a video on its own :)
@alextaylor38503 жыл бұрын
My first job in London I commuted 3 tubes - central line to Oxford Circus, change to Victoria line, change to northern line. I did this for 6 months before I gave up and moved closer to work. The central line was so hot during that summer that I fainted twice on the way back, and took a change of clothes to work because I would sweat through everything I had on by the time I got there. I don’t miss it at all! Hell on earth. And always stuck behind another train in a tunnel somewhere for 30 mins on the way home. Lol.
@MRRookie2323 жыл бұрын
Besides the real estate problems, I can’t help but wonder whether the lack of adequate ventilation systems is down to poor management? It would be great to get your insight @Jago. As an engineer, I struggle to see how the above ground real estate assets make it impossible to build smart ventilation systems. Granted, cost is a huge factor*
@JasperJanssen3 жыл бұрын
Any ventilation system is going to take up space, and there isn’t any to spare. And you’ll need a lot more space during the building, as well. Which means you will have to remove all or part of one of those buildings, which may or may not be listed buildings, and which cost tens of millions of pounds.
@connieannemcentee18922 жыл бұрын
"The Central Line really takes the biscuit. . .and they've burned it." :D
@cliffordphillips83903 жыл бұрын
imagine just getting AC in the carriages
@alexilaiho3213 жыл бұрын
ACs are unknown concept in the UK
@johnathantaylor59133 жыл бұрын
The algorithm directed me to this video, and for once I'm quite happy about it. I didn't realise that I wanted to learn about the London Underground cooling systems, but clearly the all-knowing algorithm knows better I do. Liked and subscribed!
@henkbarnard15533 жыл бұрын
How about giving eveyone free beer?
@cargy9303 жыл бұрын
Seconded. And a glass of sherry or a white wine for the laydees! :D
@henkbarnard15533 жыл бұрын
@@cargy930 And ice cream for the kiddies.
@patrickthomas10353 жыл бұрын
When i was a Motorman on the Central line in the hot summer of 1976 we had ice cold orange juice available from the signal box at Marble Arch for the train crews .....
@PMA655373 жыл бұрын
Gesundheit
@paulcollyer8013 жыл бұрын
38 seconds in and already two corny dad jokes. Might have to watch more of your videos 😂😂
@williamsjm1003 жыл бұрын
Central line is nuts! I remember commuting on it in 2003 and I honestly thought I would melt. The piston effect and big fans is good up to about 32 to 35 degrees, after this you are just getting a heat blast!
@panderjitsinghvv81993 жыл бұрын
If commuters delayed coffee and breakfast until they arrived at work tube temps would fall.
@AMEENHAI3 жыл бұрын
your narration is excellent, clear and comforting voice, many thanx for everything dear Jago
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome!
@thisin.3 жыл бұрын
The breeze on the escalators/corridors mostly makes up for the heat.
@thrilla723 жыл бұрын
No it doesn't. The central line is extremely hot
@BeeBee-gi2zr3 жыл бұрын
If i ever visit, I always take a small handheld fan with me, you can also buy ones that sit around your neck to direct the air onto your face, invaluable when the carriages are crowded
@Bruce-19563 жыл бұрын
But you can ignore EU rules now that you are an 'independent' country !
@sirmeowthelibrarycat3 жыл бұрын
😂 Indeed. Everyone can now enjoy cube shaped tomatoes, straight bananas / cucumbers and suggestive biscuits 🍪 . . . !
@Amdecreations.3 жыл бұрын
This explains a lot, I always wondered why aren’t all stations like the Jubilee Line but realise it’s not as easy to do for other stations
@peterbarlow77813 жыл бұрын
Pffft EU regulations? Didn’t you hear? The UK doesn’t have to abide by EU regulations anymore! 😆
@2112pk3 жыл бұрын
5:00 oh that does look spiffy doesn't it, i hope the real thing looks as pleasing when they're done with it