Whatever Happened to the Fleet Line?

[@OfficialRyanx]

“London transport actually stopped advertising the opening date because it was getting embarrassing…” *ahem, crossrail, crossrail, cough cough*

[@moover123]

What about crossrail?

[@OfficialRyanx]

@@moover123 A number of years behind schedule and opening… Dates given that came and went… multiple times…

[@johnmurrell3175]

You mean the Elizabeth the Third (of England) line I presume !!

[@OfficialRyanx]

@@johnmurrell3175 Yes, colloquially and widely acknowledge as Crossrail.

[@johnmurrell3175]

@@OfficialRyanx Will it open before King George gets on the Throne ? Otherwise will there be pressure to rename it or else build another line quickly to be called 'The George Line' ??

[@carolinegreenwell9086]

I can never see name Jubilee without remembering how my youngest daughter, only about 5 years old at the time, read the signs as Jubbly - lovely jubbly

[@ianmcclavin]

I feel sorry for the poor lass born in 1977, whose mother named her "Juby" !!

[@Tevildo]

@@ianmcclavin I recall that there was a young girl at the time who named her new (transplanted) kidney "Juberly".

[@ianmcclavin]

@@Tevildo Nothing would surprise me anymore!!

[@ianthomson9363]

My name for it is the Jumbly Line.

[@carolinegreenwell9086]

@@ianmcclavin hahaha ... was their surname Lee ?

[@OofusTwillip]

In 1977, my family and I were among the waves of tourists coming to London. It was our first trip to England, and my brother and I were still little enough to travel at significantly cheaper fares. We still have our little Silver Jubilee jackets, and I still have my scratchy lurex Silver Jubilee socks. We spent a week in London, and then Dad rented a car, and drove us throughout southern England. In 1979, we spent a week in London, en route to a conference in Vilach, Austria, where Dad was a featured speaker. But we didn't ride the Jubilee Line, because it hadn't opened yet.

[@kaitlyn__L]

That reminds me of how my Oyster card is the 150th anniversary design. Not very useful anymore as I don’t live nearby anymore and you can more easily use contractless with a smartphone nowadays. But I don’t want to send it in to get the £2 off it because I know it’s a more significant piece of ephemera than normal Oysters!

[@skiesboi]

"they stopped advertising the opening, cause it was getting embarrassing" Plus ca change? Looking at you Elizabeth line

[@johnm2012]

I think the story of the Elizabeth line will make an interesting video one day. It seemed to be progressing very well at one point, with technically challenging parts of the project, such as the rehabilitation of the Connaught tunnel, being completed on schedule. But as a daily user of what was to be incorporated into the western section of the route, it was obvious that no work was being done on the project in the area at all. They didn't start rebuilding Ealing Broadway, Southall or Hayes and Harlington stations until well after the originally planned opening date had passed, and they are still building sites. I'd really like to know what went so badly wrong with the schedule. Was it complex technical difficulties or incompetent project management, or something else? It all seemed to be on track until, all of a sudden, it wasn't. It was like something big hurtling towards you at great speed, which narrowly misses you then disappears into the distance behind you. "What on earth was that?" "That was our opening date."

[@ianmcclavin]

Yes, talk about history repeating itself. Renaming the new railway after a connection to do with royalty, followed by a lengthy delay in opening, false over--optimistic opening dates publicised, and by the time it does open, many people are so fed up with hearing about the project...sounds familiar?

[@pangolin83]

@@ianmcclavin But then it becomes one of London's most loved transport lines as has whats happened with the Jubilee then it might all be worth it

[@chollocks]

Cutler had the knives out... gratuitous pun for the win. Mornington Crescent

[@xander1052]

@@pangolin83 Unless you use the Jubilee platforms in Waterloo lol

[@RossMaynardProcessExcellence]

"Victory from the jaws of de-fleet". Sheer bloody poetry! We had a street party for the Silver Jubilee. It was good. I was very young at the time.

[@chazzyb8660]

My dad's contribution was a jubilee cocktail, he somehow worked out how to pour three colours of liquid into a glass and not mix them, giving us red white and blue striped drinks. I'll have to ask him how he did that? Being an alcoholic probably helped. God only knows how he and his liver are still with us nearly half a century later?

[@jamesbutler6253]

A very interesting history Lesson. And that last dad pun, "snatching victory..." had me groaning in delight. 😂

[@nlemecfc]

Brilliant, just brilliant, "Jaws of Defleet" will definitely feature in future conversations!

[@sethanix3969]

"One does not simply walk into Morden" is still on my conversations list ;)

[@adamhenley8295]

I wonder if any Grecian would use it at Gravesend & Northfleet? 🤔

[@julianevans9548]

'Many wasted sandwiches'. The only meaningful result of the late cancellation of any meeting I've ever attended.

[@DAveShillito]

That final victory pun was just beautiful!

[@flemmingsorensen5470]

Having been offline for a few weeks, what better way to get “back in the game”, than with one of your info and dry humor packed videos 😉

[@apuldram]

Will the Elizabeth line be renamed back to CrossRail? Probably not, but it would make its (unique) role much more obvious. Then Thameslink can be renamed Crossrail 2, saving billions, and perhaps resulting in a rationalisation of its routes. At Horsham yesterday- no one getting on the Thameslink (12-car train) to Peterborough, to anywhere, and certainly not Peterborough!

[@chenyeanmingtakumi9033]

@@apuldram There's a project named Crossrail 2 from Chealsea to Hackney

[@apuldram]

@@chenyeanmingtakumi9033 not sure it’s quite the imperative it was….🤔. But rebranding THAMESLINK and reducing its geographical scope might clarify things a bit?

[@hb1338]

@@apuldram Looking at the map, if it makes sense to call the Elizabeth Line Crossrail, shouldn't Thameslink be renamed to Uprail or Downrail ?

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@hb1338 it’s Crossrail not Siderail. You can go across (a circle/complex shape) in any direction relative to the compass and/or gravity.

[@danceingdave3]

As a backpacking Aussie visiting London in 1979, I was bemused by all the controversy over NOT naming the new line the Fleet Line. It seems there were signs and other forms of written protest everywhere. Perhaps the cleverest of all was by someone who penned "Fleet Line? Don't Jubilee-ve it!".

[@nigelcorbett562]

From my memory at the time, escalators were the problem. At the time, there were only so many new escalators to go round and London Transport had the choice to open either the Jubilee Line or the Heathrow extension , and rightly chose the latter, which opened in 1977. The jubilee line just shadowed the Bakerloo line at the time, whereas the Heathrow extension was transformative. Before, passengers had the schlep their luggage up stairs and onto the A1 bus in the forecourt.

[@Tina-nw9ro]

Did you mean to make that pun?

[@nigelcorbett562]

@@Tina-nw9ro no, but I’ll take the credit anyway!

[@kamiljuszczyk2963]

"it was stuck between two Poles" *me as a Pole looking on confused*

[@davidellis4031]

Not Polish myself but I had the same concern. What did Jakub do to deserve this? Does he get toilet breaks?

[@highpath4776]

@@davidellis4031 North Pole, that is in West London, and Worlds End , in Chelsea more like.

[@Aviator856]

I use the Jubilee line every day and go past West Hampstead. At 2.18 there is a southbound pulling in at West Hampstead and just above the train is the word 'runchy' spray painted on the wall 5 times in a row. I have no idea what it means, but whenever I go past, I count all the runchys. After writing this, I realised that I now seem incredibly weird but I must put this out there

[@grahamstubbs4962]

That is just so runchy.

[@actuallypaulstanley]

You are not weird. What is probably weird, is that I and probably many others have waited till 2:18 to look for the word Runchy, or is that Rumchy?! Weirder still, I googled Runchy West Hamspead 'checks notes' - do not google Runchy West Hampstead...

[@Aviator856]

@@actuallypaulstanley i googled it... 🙈👀

[@qwertyTRiG]

Probably someone's graffiti tag.

[@actuallypaulstanley]

TRiG (Ireland) I did wonder if Runchy tagged that wall whilst laying on the corrugated roof, so spraying upside down, or with a ladder from the other side of the tracks... Okay, I admit it, it's getting weird now; sorry everyone.

[@phmc123]

"Snatched victory from the jaws of da fleet". Brilliant. Your videos are always worth waiting for.

[@Rog5446]

That BDT van outside Fenchurch Street station must have clocked up dozens of parking tickets, as it has not moved for weeks.

[@johnmurrell3175]

The Fleet Line Station in Canon Street is nearly complete now - it has reappeared as the new entrance to Bank Station in Canon Site. The Site of the station box was preserved so could be used for the new ticket hall. I'm surprised the costs were only £50k I remember going to the stores in the old tram depot in Acton hunting for some equipment that had been removed from a 60TS train. The stores had a the Fleet Line enamelled signs that had been manufactured and were heading for the scrap bin. In some cases at interchange stations the enamelled line diagrams had 'Jubilee Line' plates riveted over the Fleet line connections. I wonder how many of these there are still on stations today ? There is also a long story about the Fleet line ATO / ATP - that was going to be an upgrade to the Victoria Line with 4 speeds - however the signal engineers had not consulted the rolling stock engineers on how these 4 speeds were going to be achieved in the days before electronic traction equipment. Spent a long time experimenting with how to get 4 stable speeds out of a train with camshaft traction control. It did not go well, we had far too many operations of the camshaft as the train went faster than the desired speed and then cut the power to the motors and when the speed fell re-apply the power resulting in another camshaft operation. We tried only using one, two, three or 4 sets of motors but while better that did not work well enough.

[@brucewilliams8714]

On my first visit to Britain, in 1977, the Fleet line was news. On later visits, I wondered what happened to it, and found out. Thanks, as ever, for another great video.

[@rjjcms1]

I was born in 1964 and just missed hearing about it,somehow. I heard the name Horace Cutler from my Dad talking about something to do with London politics,but other than the fact that he was GLC leader in the 70s knew little else about him or what he looked like until watching this. By the time I came in,he'd been succeeded as GLC leader by "Red" (as the right wing papers always dubbed him) Ken Livingstone.

[@nanplabwern]

9 minute build up to that punch line. Worth every minute.

[@ZGryphon]

Everyone's praising the "jaws of de Fleet" pun, and rightly so, but I just want to take a moment and point with a knowing smile at "Cutler very obviously had the knives out for them."

[@brianartillery]

"Cutler, very obviously had the knives out for them..." (03:28) Like it, Mr Hazzard, that made me laugh. Nice one. The only things I liked about 1977, were Punk, 'Star Wars', and 'Close Encounters Of The Third Kind'. Oh, and two ice lollies made for the Jubilee, by Lyons Maid and Walls. Never really 'got' the whole idea about royalty, myself.

[@andyyu5957]

"Cutler had the cutlery out for them" - fixed it for you

[@simongleaden2864]

The best thing about 1977 was England regaining the Ashes.

[@brianartillery]

@@simongleaden2864 - Forgot about that. Sorry.

[@TheClockwise770]

And not forgetting the band Caravan's 2nd album

[@AndrewN75]

@@andyyu5957 An edgy comment

[@rogerbond2244]

'Flleet Street, London's street of shame...' -yet again I was drawn in by the trains, stayed for the social history, and left with a stack of one-liners I wish I'd written... Mr Hazzard, you are enviably and devilishly good at this.

[@hb1338]

The epithet "Street of Shame" for Fleet Street is not original, it dates back to the days of Sweeney Todd.

[@rjjcms1]

So it's not Soho,then?

[@gerrymccartney3561]

Victory from the jaws of defleet. So bad it is the best pun of the week.

[@cyberflotsam]

"Cutler having the knives out for them" definitely comes a close second

[@AaronOfMpls]

Well, a good pun _is_ its own re-word...

[@Fluteboy]

I dated the niece of Horace Cutler. She never really spoke highly of him! Horace's father built many of the 30's style housing in "Metro-land". All that identikit housing in Edgware, Kingsbury and Rayners Lane? Cutler housing.

[@pintpullinggeek]

7:49 I'm guessing Jago wrote that line at 3 a.m. after having been working for 18 hours.

[@w1swh1]

"fleeting event" Love it. Good job Jago.

[@Eddyspeeder]

Score!

[@future057]

I’m pretty sure the Bakerloo line wasn’t named after a company but was named so because it originally went between Baker St. and Waterloo

[@FranekWich]

And also Hammersmith & City because it was created in 1990…

[@iankemp1131]

Its original title was The Baker Street & Waterloo Railway. However the Hammersmith and City name was new - that was previously just a branch of the Metropolitan Railway.

[@rjjcms1]

If they extended the Hammersmith & City Line all the way to Upminster they could call it the Hamster Line.

[@Shalott63]

@@FranekWich In fact the name Hammersmith and City was resurrected from that of the Hammersmith and City Railway, a joint GWR-Metropolitan subsidiary that had actually built the line from Paddington to Hammersmith (I mean, the one via Westbourne Park etc.) back in the day, but then just gradually got absorbed into the Met. Therefore technically the H&C line really is named after the company that built [part of] it.

[@AndreiTupolev]

I'd always taken the colour to be silver, in reference to the Silver Jubilee. I also wonder if LT may have been keen to avoid anything that might recall the Daimler Fleetline bus, or DMS as LT called it, about which they were not particularly over the moon

[@highpath4776]

the Fleetline, in is Londoner Body, as brought about by Bennett following his Mancunian. Actually not a bad bus IF the LT Garages had read and followed Leylands service manual for it.

[@atraindriver]

Hey, the DMS was an excellent bus, at least for those major provincial operators who understood the concept of "alter our maintenance procedures to suit the buses" rather than LT's preferred "try to alter the buses to suit our rigid maintenance procedures". It's not unreasonable to say that LT's determination to dump the DMS kept the rest of the country's bus operators afloat at a time when British Leyland simply couldn't be arsed to supply buses within a year or two of them being ordered and those companies needed to get rid of the last of their conductor operated buses simply to stave off bankruptcy.

[@mikehindson-evans159]

Thank you for a delightful example of British cynicism, within a truly important historical document. Much appreciated. Mike

[@ianmoseley9910]

That interchange at Westminster always makes me feel I'm stepping into an Escher drawing

[@RailwayManiaNet]

Pun-tastic, thanks for being an awesome guest!

[@assortedpov]

10/10 use of the phrase "absolute madlad".

[@Recessio]

Great video, love the slightly more relaxed style. Would love to see more videos on the GLC/LCC and history of London government

[@premikyam2726]

Indeed. the activities of LT/TfL are inextricably linked with the GLC/LCC and the results of the directives/machinations from the erstwhile County Hall . Including roads and development of post war housing projects resulting in the London of today.

[@markwoodley712]

My first March Break trip was to London in 1977 with my school, I didn't realise it coincided with the Silver Jubilee year, maybe this is the reason we heard the authorities were relocating the homeless.

[@catmachine0]

I do remember as a child seeing new metal maps on the Northern Line platforms with the interchanges for the Fleet Line marked - including an indication for one at Bank which was where it would have crossed the Bank branch. They had to rivet corrections over the top!

[@catmachine0]

… also I remember the slogan on stickers campaigning against the change: “Don’t Jubilee’ve It!”

[@AA_8184_1]

Another great video! I also you on the podcast…you were great!

[@QPRTokyo]

Jubilee is a great name. I remember going to London in the early seventies and shocked by the state of the tube. No investment. Dreadful stations. Extremely dirty. I remember reading in the 1990’s it would take fifty years to modernise it and bring up to scratch. I remember in 1986 I travelled on the Underground and two day’s later on the Tokyo Metro. It was like comparing a tent to a mansion. I have been so happy to see the Underground improve over this century.

[@willhovell9019]

Mostly down to Labour investment , locally and nationally

[@iankemp1131]

Sadly the statement about things being dirty is borne out by the Kings Cross fire of 1987 caused by accumulation of grease and rubbish. That gave an incentive to do a big clean-up job. Nobody had truly realised how dangerous it could be, although there were a couple of small warning fires in previous years.

[@iankemp1131]

@RODRIGUEZ SANCHEZ But actually the gradual accumulation of tunnel dirt, soot, dust and other fine combustible materials was a key factor. People had been dropping cigarette ends for decades but as long as things were kept reasonably clean it didn't matter. Grease on it's own won't burn at all easily, nor will solid wooden slats, but if you get a fire because lots of other combustible stuff is around and it gets up to a high temperature, lots of unexpected things will burn suddenly. The other horrible example of that era was the Bradford City stadium fire of 1985, where again once the fire took hold, it spread with terrifying speed. Good housekeeping matters. In 2008 a US explosion razed a factory to the ground after dust became airborne. The material? Sugar. Likewise flour and grain silos regularly go bang.

[@hb1338]

@RODRIGUEZ SANCHEZ I do hope that you do not mean your comments seriously.

[@hb1338]

@@iankemp1131 1970s Admiralty : aluminium ships don't burn. 1982 : They do if you spill a tank full of missile fuel on them and then fire the detonator on the missile.

[@actualcheddar]

theres a place in london called jubilee park, but london wouldnt really notice it anyways

[@WRYouTube326]

Thanks for your hard work, wit and humor. I appreciate your efforts.

[@richardgardner3695]

A fleeting tale from the tube

[@flyentity]

At the time of the renaming shenanigans I was a young teenager and something of a Tube geek. I have a memory (or perhaps a dream?) that there was a an informal campaign against altering the name from Fleet which went along the lines(!) of "Don't Jubelivee it". It did have a certain ring to it, and I quickly subscribed to the notion. Does anyone else recall this, or am I making it up? I honestly don't know. On another matter; do Tube maps with the proposed Fleet line visible as under construction have any great value given what transpired? I don't own one, but am just wondering.

[@user-gm5mw7tp5q]

Imagine saying “yeah I gotta take the fleet line” .. Whewww what absolute scenes 😂😂😂 this was awesome! Thanks!!!!

[@henryviii6341]

perfect name. Always loved coming to London 1977 and seeing Her Majesty on Whitehall. Highlight of my youth. Will never forget that moment.

[@MJF-81]

I recently stumbled across your channel and very glad I did. Great videos and superb narration. Bravo, Old Cake, bravo. 👏🏻

[@wrongshirt]

Regarding the renaming from Fleet to Jubilee, I moved to London in 1983 and I regularly saw the line diagrams on some Circle Line trains with an interchange at Baker Street to the Fleet Line, at least 4 years after the Jubilee Line had opened. I wish I'd taken a photo now.

[@davehanson7764]

Wonderful as always Mr Hazzard

[@darrengomes2203]

About the renaming, should have used the headline about Johnson renaming Crossrail (a National Rail route) to the Elizabeth Line, treating it as a Tube line, when he was Mayor of London. Just like Horace Cutler, it was done as a publicity stunt. Sadiq Khan is planning to name the individual London Overground routes, as it’s becoming a network in its own right, to avoid confusion.

[@rayfisher3921]

I thought it was called Crossrail to reflect how people felt at the constant delays in opening.

[@nightlurker]

"Cutler had the knives out", yes very good Jago. Your coat is waiting by the door.

[@BehlulNpkz]

Am I the only person who when seeing you with a new video drops everything they are doing to make sure they see the new video?

[@Aviator856]

I do

[@johnkolassa1645]

"Snatch victory from the jaws of defleet". These videos just get better and better.

[@russellnixon9981]

Yet another fleeting look in to the underground.

[@bobblue_west]

Always wondered why there isn't a route along the Strand. Same annoyance from Knightsbridge straight west. Stations: - Royal Albert Hall (Change for Museums and Embassy sieges.) - High St. Ken (District & Circle) - Holland Park South (for Earl's Crt Rd, Design Museum) - Kensington Olympia (Overground) - Brook Green - Hammersmith (re-join the Picc. westbound.) Obviously the Piccadilly Line, with an additional route option, like the Northern at Camden Town.

[@neilbain8736]

How truly informative. It ties in with the fleet of other Fleet related videos. I always thought it was Silver for the Jubilee. Such was how things dribbled down to us kids in 1977 what with only three channels. I think we got a school holiday too. There were street parties, just like the end of WW2, and the Coronation, even in Scotland, where Edinburgh painted two buses silver. I'm sorry- any mention of Cutler and I think of Ivor Bicarbonate of Chicken, Life in a Scotch Sitting Room Vol 2 Cutler. [ In Scotland the pillar boxes don't carry the E II R crest and in fact have the Scottish Crown and no monarch's initials nor number ( it was OK for E VII R, G V R, E VIII R(*) and G VI R as they're all over the place but the Scottish Nationalists had just nicked the Stone of Scone aka The Stone of Destiny (The Scone of Stone? The Scone of Dysentery?) and feelings were still sensitive to the idea that Elizabeth was only the First in Scotland, and the first First Elizabeth had cut the Scottish Queen's head off. (*) There's at least 3 Edward the 8th pillar boxes in Scotland; 2 in Tobermory, 1 in Glasgow. There's about 160 left in the UK. I can vouch for 2 in Birmingham. ]

[@rjjcms1]

Rizzla "or is it grey?" silver.

[@richarddaygm]

The 'tunnelling' and station construction for Bond street seemed to go on for years (8?). They used the open cast method, and dug a massive hole in oxford street, pedestrians walking on narrow elevated wooded walkways. I very much resented the jubilee trains replacing the old but luxury bakerloo trains on the stanmore branch. Those red carriages with wood and varnish, cream interiors and soft lighting were gorgeous. The jubilee trains were aluminium cans in comparison.

[@DBIVUK]

Sir Horace Cutler became Leader of the Conservative group on the GLC in 1974; he only became Leader of the GLC when the Conservatives won the 1977 election. I've got a copy of the Marshall Report into the future of the GLC - it's a very interesting document given the big debate on GLC abolition which opened up in 1983.

[@cennethadameveson3715]

"Cutler get his knives out" ... pun intended?

[@englishciderlover7347]

I think it was intended.

[@iainlindley]

I think even without the subsequent rerouting, and even though the way in which the name was chosen was a bit daft, with the benefit of hindsight “Jubilee Line” is far superior to “Fleet Line”.

[@kanedaku]

I was relieved when the announcement was being on the podcast. I had a bit of a heart murmur at the beginning when you referred to it. I thought "Please dont leave KZbin for a hiatus, you arent allowed holidays..."

[@noelbowman8052]

Thank you once again . excelent use of such imaginative puns . I can hardly breathe!!!

[@nigelcorbett562]

I’ve more! London Underground uses LCS codes (Location Coding System) to identify track and structures on its railway. Codes for structures on the Northern Line start with N, for the Central line they start with C etc. As I remember, the original Baker Street to Charing Cross structures all have a LCS code beginning with F, for Fleet Line, these codes are still used heavily today. On the extension to Stratford which came later they begin with J. By 1977 this F code was on so many engineering drawings that it was impossible to change.

[@antonydicesare4632]

What a midweek treat, superb as ever jago.

[@hkharnelian]

I remember the campaign stickers inside the cars which read "Fleet Line? Don't Jubilee've it."

[@jiioannidis7215]

I was in London in the spring of 1977 as a teenager; I remember the tube map listing the Fleet line as under-construction. By the way, I remember the jubilee madness; in my box of childhood memories, I still have a bus ticket, from those machines that held a roll of paper and the conductor would rotate a handle and issue a ticket of the appropriate value, and the reverse of the ticket had a jubilee theme! The next spring we went to London again on vacation, and it had been renamed to Jubilee. It was still under construction, of course. At the time, I had assumed that the name change made sense, it's good to finally find out about the exact politics that led to it. I can just imagine Sir Humphrey arguing for *and* against the name change :)

[@tombullen5676]

DaFleat. Dropped my coffee.... Thanks , Jago!

[@gerryc2795]

At the time many Fleet line adverts were grafitied with the words " Fleet Line , dont you Jubilee've it !"

[@richatom71]

Another brilliant episode .

[@namenamename390]

3:01 that's essentially Amtrack or Deutsche Bahn today lol.

[@grahamstubbs4962]

Cutler had the knives out. They do that, don't they? 😀

[@dangerousandy]

You’re very sharp.

[@grahamstubbs4962]

@@dangerousandy LOL

[@stevefry5783]

@@grahamstubbs4962 a pointed comment, there.

[@flyentity]

Thank you. I hadn't spotted that one.

[@bryan3550]

Forks too!

[@hazzachannel1]

GREAT, LIGHT HEARTED, AND GOOD HISTORY AND GEOGRAPHY LESSONS.

[@Ostermond]

Always a pleasure to see these videos.

[@ranulfdoswell]

The video would have been longer, but you know... time is fleeting. I loved the "da fleet" joke BTW :D

[@frankmimnagh420]

Hello, Jago. I cannot recall if you ever picked up on the trial tunnel that was built in south east london for the fleet line in the 70’s. The tunnel was only a few hundred metres long and was built with a bentonite shield, which was a new type of tunnelling machine at that time?

[@dancedecker]

Ooof!!. Victory from.the jaws of de fleet. That was dreadful. Lol. But good video as always, so you are ( nearly) forgiven. And saying the knives were out with Mr Cutler...I see what you did there.

[@para2440]

fascinating story I loved it, especially the occasional poke at the politicos of the day

[@C2K777]

Soooooooo there's another place I can listen to Jago and others talking ( I imagine) both reverently and irrelevantly about trains. Well that's an hour or two of this week accounted for.

[@johnledingham852]

Jaws of de-FLEET! (chuckle chortle) Love your sense of humour Jago, I really do!

[@johnjemmett5954]

I find the reasoning behind the history of the underground very interesting and to see the sustem we have now thank you

[@ryanmurphy195]

Video on Ezra Street in Bethnal Green possible in the future? Looks like a street straight out the 50s

[@tardismole]

"...from the jaws of de-fleet." We need someone to collect all of these Jago-isms.

[@geoffreyhansen8543]

I like the name Fleet line. I love your sense of humour Jago.

[@PeterWTaylor]

It's about time someone solved the Fenchurch St station connection problem. I use this station frequently and getting to/from it is a real misery.

[@paulturner8372]

This mainline station is always seems to be forgotten about everytime.

[@mikelewis6260]

I remember that there was also opposition to the renaming from anti-monarchists, objecting to the reference to the queen. Some of them defaced Underground diagrams, changing Jubilee back to Fleet. I also remember seeing "Would jubilieve it?" scrawled on some of them.

[@valvlog4665]

Lord forbid we name anything after anyone but the current sovereign. Heck, even Meghan's new baby is Lillibet.

[@jiioannidis7215]

"A fleeting event". I love you.

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

Of course the Stanmore to Charing Cross section already existed. My father took it daily when we lived in London in the late 1960s. At that point, it was still a section of the Bakerloo line.

[@darrengomes2203]

The Baker Street to Charing Cross section was tunnelled in the ‘70s.

[@rayfisher3921]

But the Baker St - Charing X section was already spoken for. So new tunnelling needed from Baker St.

[@forecast_hinderer]

A punch reference with punchy in the shot. Surely not a coincidence.

[@JBLewis]

That was one heck of a shaggy dog story to get to that pun. Only two things would make it better (worse?): A moose and a squirrel.

[@iancruise6927]

Brilliant again from Jago

[@paulkurilecz4209]

They snatched victory from the jaws of the Fleet ... Arrrrrrrrrgh

[@Andrewjg_89]

Maybe the Jubilee Line should of been called Millennium Line. As I was thinking of the Millennium Line. And it could of been extended to London City Airport from North Greenwich.

[@carribob1992]

Guessing that like possessions, names are always Fleeting.

[@southcol7911]

To further muddy the waters.... Horace Cutler entered local government in 1952 when he was elected as a councillor to Harrow Council. 1977, following the Tory GLC election win under his leadership, marked HIS silver jubilee in local government. This, rather than the minor matter of the Queen's accession to the throne, is the real reason for re-naming the Fleet Line as the Jubilee Line.

[@hakc97again]

A conservative London leader who wastes money on self aggrandising projects that mean eff all? That sounds familiar

[@Rschaltegger]

A..fleeting moment in time...I see my self out

[@TechnicalAnalysts]

Just a thought that crossed my mind when watching your excellent video. Harlow Town Council have been talking about an extension to the Central Line to Harlow Town...and one of the comments I saw was that back in 1945/46, there was apparently an official proposal to extend the Central Line as far as Chelmsford. I was wondering if you'd heard of any such plan?

[@colinjones2910]

The podcast is well worth a listen 👍

[@elizabethspedding1975]

Great lesson👍

[@AnthonyHigham6414001080]

I still think of it as the Fleet Line. But I'm biased as I spent a wonderful afternoon drinking champagne with Horace Cutler on the re-opening of Covent Garden. Great guy.

[@rayfisher3921]

At public expense, presumably.

[@adamhenley8295]

I seem to remember there being lots of silver disks placed around London to reflect where the Queen had visited in 77 - I know there’s one at Tower Hill - wonder how many others there are still

[@jmtubbs1639]

Residents of Jubilee Road are grateful for your qualifier. We'd hate to live somewhere that doesn't exist.

[@falafel4618]

Snatching victory from the claws of de fleet... Oh dear - a new low on the Tony Blackburn Book of Jokes-o-meter!

[@88kristina]

The best thing about this video is the noise of the 96 stock motors. Never remove it, TfL. Just get new stock with the exact same noise.