Jaime's Stinky Vigil - AFFC Jaime I read-through - A Song of Ice and Fire - A Game of Thrones

Tywin is dead, and Jaime feels guilty. What better time to review one's life choices that while standing over your Dad's extra, extra stinky corpse, right? This is the chapter that really spotlights Jaime's internal conflict, and features his encounter with the ghost of his mother, Joanna Lannister.
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[@GreyWasteTim]

Pycelle serving 6 kings means the first king would have been Egg (Tommen - Joffrey - Robert - Mad King - Jaehaerys II - Aegon V). Maester conspiracy at Summerhall just intensified.

[@vanessabogaert2104]

Qhorin Halfhands is foreshadowing for Jamie being able to fight with his left hand. When he’s introduced it talks about how he taught himself to fight with his left hand, and was even a better fighter with his left than his right.

[@thisguy8106]

All these years... soooo many read throughs.. so many videos. And my brain never once noticed that Jamie was spelled Jaime. 😮😮 That blows my mind...

[@DavidLightbringer]

hahah THE BRAIN, it's weird

[@efrent-vr3bm]

I always felt that Jaime didn't have to kill Aerys, he just needed to knock him out, tie him up and let Ned deal with him.

[@ThommyofThenn]

That would have been awesome but hear me out on this; they should have dueled with Aerys razor sharp fingernails vs. Jaimes sword. Kind of a Mace vs. Palpatine thing

[@DavidLightbringer]

Lady Deathstrike vs Wolverine

[@Slithe99]

"Knocking him out" (as a non-lethal tactic) is kind of a myth/trope perpetuated by movies, video games, etc. A head trauma strong enough to cause loss of consciousness can easily be fatal, especially under medieval medical care.

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@Slithe99 good point especially since realism in little detail is so important to grrm. But I don't visualise Aerys as being a very physical type of guy, especially with a much younger, more specifically trained KG knight. I'm sure Jaime is trained more in being able to kill with the sword or lance, rather than non-lethal hand to hand combat but I assume he could overpower Aerys and subdue him by binding him with a strip of cloak or something. I don't think we ever see Aerys in battle directly but he seems the kind to fire on enemies with a dragon, or simply order his men to do stuff. So I see it as plausible but not something the hot blooded young Jaime would have paused to consider. If Aerys was kept alive and put on trial before Robert executed him, would Jaime be seen as a hero for saving the city and bringing Aerys to "justice?" It's intriguing either way

[@MC-el2us]

@@Slithe99 stares at Arya’s head 👀 🪓

[@mochrimek]

catching the rewatch but I always loved reading Jaime's POV chapters throughout ASOIAF. The gasp I had when he confesses to Brienne exactly WHY he had to kill Aerys. Because i believe (now, correct me if I'm wrong, it been a couple of years since I read the series) up until then, we have this preconceived image of the "Kingslayer" but that confession had me connecting the dots of what he's going to do with Cersei. The parallels between Aerys and Cersei's personality would instantly hit Jaime's mental state if he were to see the caches of wildfire that he thought he would stop, all those years ago, just erupt in front of him when he gets to KL. That'll be his time to save the realm, again. But for the final time.

[@thisguy8106]

Though I agree with you about Gerold.. he saved Jamie's life that night. He would have been burnt alive had he said anything to that insane king. And then Kings Landing burns..

[@KaritKtana]

OMG does Tommen have petrifying memories of a rusty hinge? 😫

[@DavidLightbringer]

😭😭😭

[@shara1979]

Off subject, but i just happened to pass by a clip of Dany. I was wondering how ironic it is that when the slaves call her "Myssa! Myssa", it sounds alot like "Massa"/("Master). Or "Nissa Nissa".

[@jessjess23brooks89]

I love how we are going over all the chapters featuring Tywin's stinking, rotting corpse. Hearing them all in such close succession makes me believe even more that Oberyn got in a last laugh and poisoned him. Which makes me happy for the Viper and a bit sad for Tyrion. He just had to wait a few more days and Tywin would probably die all on his own. Its all kind of darkly hilarious. Tywin would have hated that 😂

[@jelly434]

Is there any other evidence? Corpses stink; no poison necessary 😅

[@jessjess23brooks89]

@@jelly434 The evidence occurs with the last corpse we see in the Sept: Joffreys. No one mentions or complaints about the smell even while his body layed in state viewing for days. I am sure the Silent Sisters have methods for preparing corpses for viewing that make the rot more bearable. For whatever reason, Tywin's corpse was stinky enough to have multiple references from everyone near it, meaning whatever process generally used was not potent enough to slow whatever chemical reaction is happening there. And milky white fluid pooling around the body? Sounds extremely suss. There was also reference to something obstructing Tywin's bowels in life, making him have multiple toilet runs. This could just be age catching up to him, or the poison was working exactly how Oberyn intended. Slow enough for him to get the duck out of the capital (if he lived) and would probably make the man die in shame on the shitter. It would be honestly more surprising if Oberyn didn't poison the old man with all the chances he had. He is a poison master and Tywin is his second most hated person in the world.

[@adamantiiispencespence4012]

​@@jessjess23brooks89 I don't remember mention of a milky substance but that would be suspicious. Overall though the main support for theory seems to be that a constipated old man who died with perforated bowels, whose body went unattended in that condition for several hours, left a smelly corpse. Everyone else was given over to the Silent Sisters almost immediately.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

@@adamantiiispencespence4012 We will have to agree to disagree. It could be a red herring, anything could be a red herring. And it's not the most pressing theory in this story, so may never be answered, unless we get a blurb from Elaria. I just don't see a world in which Oberyn starts a fight with Gregor and doesn't leave something special for the man who ordered the brutal slaughter of his sister and her children. Especially since he has been given such unfettered access to him. But this is what makes the story fun. Wondering if the author is trying to fool you. By my first read through in the second book, I was convinced of Jon's parentage, but felt kind of crazy for thinking so until I saw people discussing it on Reddit. I read the text with a fine tooth comb since and I've definitely seen things that are almost assuredly a definite and other things where I think George is leading us on a merry chase.

[@darksister96]

Cant wait to watch this after work! always love a reread stream💚

[@ThommyofThenn]

Great username

[@Cookie_chris]

My exact thoughts, sometimes i blip into streams but the rewatch is essential for night shift😊

[@CaylaCommonFolk]

1:43:37 I think maybe Jaime realizes that they’re really on their own now. Tywin isn’t there to pick up all their messes. He needs to step up or his house will fall. And so will his family.

[@queenpersephone9685]

Jaime is one of my favorite characters to read. His psychology is so interesting and well written. Such a grey character.

[@BudravenOG]

9:02 he killed pyromancers, but none of them were Hallyne. Hallyne is alive in AFFC. He was the one working for Cersei and responsible for the wildfire in the boat in the Battle of Blackwater.

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh yeah it was Rossart

[@NightDweller]

"There are no men like me, just me"

[@soxpeewee]

Can the Real Slim Jaime please stand up? Please stand up?

[@MagnaMater2]

Jaime is missing a weirwood-hand. Weirwood seems very hard to burn and would need a long time to glow through. I could see him slapping those Ice-zombies with a burning weirwood-hand.

[@Zach-sx8cm]

Me: gets out a bowl of stew I spent an hour making Dave: white mystery liquid coming out of Tywin’s joints and pooling under his body. Bad timing on my behalf there apparently 🤣

[@monig7870]

I just read this chapter so I’m super geeked to hear LML break it down… A preemptive thanks to you for what I’m sure will be another excellent vid @David Lightbringer 💖✨Thank you!

[@garthgreenlung420]

Cersei speaking to her little child- “do you think he smelled any better to me? I have a nose too.” You’re not 8 Cersei 😂 like god she’s the worst

[@DavidLightbringer]

the WORST

[@Zach-sx8cm]

Another recommendation for outstanding bass playing: Jamiroquai

[@sterlingorganicfarm421]

Thank you for a wonderful stream! And it’s my birthday today! Much appreciated.

[@sinthoras1917]

Happy birthday!

[@ThommyofThenn]

Hey that's great. Hope your birthday stream was rewarding 😊

[@monig7870]

Many happy returns of the day!!!

[@SaneMillennial]

Happy birthday, fellow ASOIAF lover! Hope it's been nice! 😊🎉🎈

[@MagnaMater2]

What I like about the Jaime-Chaper-read-throughs (and this has really noone covered up to now) they help one while 'fasting'. The mental framework Jaime gives off to the reader is helpful in chastising oneself. In the end he seems very ascetic, turning himself into a firewight fueling his flame only with wine and training.

[@ThommyofThenn]

Official smell-count is being tallied up!

[@aminaa5824]

We did it during the stream, it turned out to be 13 :)

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@aminaa5824 ok it was at 11 when i last saw it in stream

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@aminaa5824 i missed part of the last half hour cause i had to water plants

[@jaredwat8478]

It’s kinda interesting thinking about Jaime’s honor and the oaths he’s made. You mentioned it at the beginning him wanting to protect Rhaella from Aerys. While the fandom doesn’t dispute killing Aerys was the right thing to do his actions right after are kinda bizarre. His arrogance being his worst traits causes him to sit the iron throne until someone can make him get off. But he completely forgets that his oath extends to the royal family and doesn’t do anything to protect Elia and Rhaegar’s children including Aegon who rightfully was next in line after Aerys. A lot honorable people like Ned would’ve still been upset by exactly what happened but had Jaime done things slightly different I don’t think they’re as critical.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

I always wondered where exactly Jaime killed Aerys? Was it on the stairs to the throne? Or in the hall beyond it? I always imagined that maybe Jaime stabbed Aerys on the stairs to the throne while he was fleeing and then staggered to sit down on the throne itself. Less arrogance and more complete shock. He had just committed the worst "crime" a Kingsgaurd could commit. Perhaps he was too dazed to realize what was happening around him until Ned snapped him out of it. I imagine him just staring at Aerys's corpse and having a complete internal meltdown. But this is complete speculation. I could be completely wrong.

[@WildeMermaid]

I don't know, but it seems plausable. ​@jessjess23brooks89

[@theshadowstrike6]

Reading Rhaegar is awesome 😂 I play bass as well 😁

[@SoCalledGodess]

Love your live streams!

[@noahh2338]

Another banger, and another great chapter as well..hail the bringer of light!

[@AmethystEmpressDivineTarot6589]

Thank you for this chapter highlight. This has always been such a loaded chapter. The symbolism and mythos is beautifully done. Ccant wait to watch after work! ❤️‍🔥

[@lyarrastark6254]

Great stream, thank you, David.

[@elizabethfaires2224]

Love your read alongs! Your voices are so great!!💯

[@MrFredstt]

It's very interesting to me how Jaime, a character who we were introduced to as a right pos that bangs his sister and tries to kill a child, becomes one of the fanbases favorite characters that gets to sympathize with him. Makes me wonder how this might be done in HOTD season 2 considering the comments the show runners have made about Aegon II being one of their favorite characters and how perceptions will change

[@DavidLightbringer]

it's a level of complexity (as far as the composition of people goes) that is not meant to be necessarily "comfortable" to deal with. The contradictions that arise in real people aren't cleanly and easily explained or hashed out. judging people in particular is very complex, and that's what Martin is talking about when he says that everyone has light and dark in them

[@MrFredstt]

@@DavidLightbringer Succinctly put. I agree completely! Always a joy to see your inputs into human nature, LmL

[@hinakhodiyara7883]

Brilliant reread. Thank you David.

[@moiraferreira]

Jamie has great chapters.

[@wbc0202]

He could see the candles burning….. in the GREEN Pools of her eyes. Interesting. Very Interesting. Glass candle dream connection?

[@DavidLightbringer]

maybe a wildfire connection

[@giuseppebiundo6356]

Something thats always slept on when it comes to Jaime is his sitting on the throne after killing Aerys. I've seen quotes, but haven't confirmed, that the calendar artwork of the Iron Throne being enormous, mangled, and steep is the most accurate portrayal of what the throne should look like. Jaime would have to climb his way up there, it wasn't just a few short steps. Jaime is dumber than we realize, or at least terrible at reading the room, for thinking that someone like Ned to find him sitting on the throne as a kind of joke would be a wise decision. For that alone, he deserves the hate he gets. Dudes the ultimate heel.

[@MrFredstt]

I would really love to get his perspective on why exactly he sat on the throne

[@matthewjacobthefifth]

i think his joanna dream was when he was in the field and slept with his head against a weirwood stump.

[@antjestube8774]

Thank you for your balanced take

[@KaritKtana]

1:46:51 - isn't that Rafiki when he meets adult Simba?😂

[@danishtasteele9272]

The varys scene reminds me of the Better Call Saul. Where he is in the desert with a gun to his head and He is relieved when he finds out its someone else. Varys has a knife to his throat and a million people that want him dead. So when he finds out it's Jamie, he is relieved.

[@therunningman_]

Can't wait to dive in!

[@adamantiiispencespence4012]

So somewhat off-topic, but disassociation if I'm thinking of it correctly seeems to be a thing with the Lannisters generally and it actually brings up my idea that Tywin is, in many ways a foil for Ned. Ned's he who passes the sentence should swing the sword motto. Tywin's most brutal and scummy acts are always done through intermediaries. Ned refuses to order done what he's not ok with doing himself. Tywin is perfectly ok with ordering things done that he would find disgusting to do himself. The rape of Elia and the brutal, savage nature of her kids' deaths upset Tywin, but he continues to wield the men who did it like weapons. He protests to Tyrion that surely even he could not believe that Tywin would order Elia be assaulted like that! ...he said this to Tyrion!

[@DavidLightbringer]

great points

[@adamantiiispencespence4012]

@DavidLightbringer I do alot of thinking about Tywin. He's weirdly one of my favorite characters in the story in that he fascinates me and I find I have strange empathy for him and even find him somewhat tragic. But he is still a monster! One of the greatest frustrations for me with content on him is that I can rarely find anyone who talks about him who isn't either a Pycelle level Kool Aid chugger or black pilled on him and think that he just generally is awful and not nearly as smart as he's made out to be.

[@georgeouthwaite]

In the UK both storm of swords and dance with dragons came out spit into separate volumes, so I wouldn't worry about it too much

[@tk423b]

JJ is one of my fav characters

[@setelliott9683]

Y'know, Tywin could have been poisoned by his poop stick.

[@lisaeriksson1081]

17:00 chapter start

[@faeragon]

totally unrelated but where can i get a jacket like this one you're wearing?

[@newgreece1]

I’m just thinking to myself here, but could Jaime redeem himself and become Jon’s Hand as a parallel to Tyrion as Dany’s? Jaime could finally over come his prejudices and become a paragon of righteousness by embracing Jon. Jon has always been a symbol of the small folk, but Jaime is the representation of what Jon wishes to become, a true born hero who protects the small folk.

[@clara.egrejas]

Jaime is the best Lannister.

[@MrFredstt]

Kevan is in the running for that title too

[@Darksun93]

I knew I smelled something funky earlier lol

[@FreeDaddyMozart]

Where do you usually get all the artwork from?

[@meganinthemountains]

poor little bb Tommen

[@tk423b]

What about a dead wight hand. That would make a good in universe sit com.

[@shara1979]

So when jamie thinks, ....he didnt say he meant to kill Tywin, if not then i would b the "kin slayer", not him.... So, did he intend to kill Tywin? Or would he have killed Tyrion? That line always bothers & confuses me. I keep going back, & it can b meant several different ways

[@Slithe99]

Jaime's assuming he would've need to slay Tyrion to stop him from killing their father

[@michaeltavizon8333]

🎉🎉🎉

[@Michael_Wright]

Hai-may Lannister

[@DavidLightbringer]

that's what my text reader app calls him when it reads my drafts to me haha

[@jeff4son]

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[@bakedpotato7858]

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[@wjhall307]

Jaime had no tears for his father because he was hurt more by Tyrions & Cersei’s betrayal than Tywin’s death.

[@b0baf00t8]

Boooooooo Gerald Hightower.

[@KaritKtana]

Cersei is ALL id, it's so gross

[@KaritKtana]

Actually it's worse - she's id thinking it's a super-ego 😬

[@jonhauge-evaldsson783]

😊🤢😢😭

[@Cookie_chris]

I have kids and pets and the feeling is the same dave, people will say its not because they think its the right thing to say😢 if you care, you actually care irrespective of species Give us more goose at the end of streams, got big love for our lord of loud