Jake The Snake, Mick Foley, Heels & How Undertaker Creates His Mount Rushmore | Six Feet Under #3

[@SixFeetUnderwithMarkCalaway]

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[@dreknd]

I really appreciate the Undertakers appreciation for Jake Roberts! The he was always one of my favorites. I'll never forget the king cobra latching onto the Macho Man.

[@jackson5781]

Jake Roberts, Arn Anderson,and Roddy Piper had the best psychology I had ever seen in wrestling

[@RemoWilliams1227]

​@@jackson5781man you may have just named my top 3, there's others I love but those guys were so different.

[@frederickredman9306]

My favorite wrestler ever

[@user-uv1xd9rm1y]

Idem!!

[@psychoticpharaoh8627]

Same

[@Thechamp1991]

Mines to

[@darkallegiance666]

Me too - can’t stand this dorky interviewer, though. Wish Undertaker got somebody better.😢

[@Snyper1405]

​@darkallegiance666 you need the comedy factor to make it more interesting

[@samuelndirangu4513]

Undertaker is soo witty. He has a great sense of humor. I always find myself laughing at little things he says. Awesome podcast guys

[@Franchise38]

I could listen to Taker talk all day. Just seeing him as the man vs The Deadman is crazy. No one would have ever seen this day coming

[@32BitMikeTyson]

Love how you can tell taker still wants to keep kayfabe alive as long as he can, truly passionate about the sport

[@anonymousbo0318]

It's not a sport

[@32BitMikeTyson]

@@anonymousbo0318 whatever you wana call it my boy

[@amberleecharbonneau486]

its called SPORTS entertainment for a reason@@anonymousbo0318

[@rickywatson9352]

@@anonymousbo0318get help

[@sidrat2009]

It's why The Magic Circle has been going on for so long. When everyone knows is when you reveal they don't know and the Magic is reborn.

[@jaymo2113]

I really appreciate when the host stops talking and lets Undertaker finish a sentence. It's real considerate of him.

[@TheBlindEye90]

We found the skinny version of Conrad Thompson. Homie doesn't know when to shut up. It's like these idiot hosts think THEY'RE the stars.

[@wwedxecw]

I was just thinking how much I enjoy the mannerism of this show . You don’t see many host giving the talent time to finish their thoughts. Love this duo .

[@wingerding]

It's takers show..

[@anonymousbo0318]

Well, he's a nobody. He better let the star speak.

[@Natorton]

​@@anonymousbo0318 Damn why you talking like that

[@michaelshelton5488]

Be respectful of the people who came before you, listen and learn, never be content, never stop learning and growing. All of those things are good advice for life in general, not just wrestling. Thanks for the wisdom Taker. 👍👏

[@yousef6635]

I loved Taker's explanation of his Mount Rushmore, but you also belong to Mount Rushmore because you contributed to the fame and popularity of WWE worldwide. I remember that there were no people who watched wrestling and knew Taker. You have influence, fame and popularity like them, Mark.

[@cokeysmurf2436]

He knows. It's just that no one puts themselves in the Mount Rushmore.

[@tyson7376]

tbh he is more popular than the rock and stone cold in India even the villagers and the oldies know about him because of the rumours in the late 90s that he came back from death so in terms of popularity nobody is more popular than the undertaker especially in India,even today there are so many old people who have never heard of the rock and stone cold but they do know about The Undertaker

[@Faisal44-mg1ng]

​@@tyson7376 The same thing in the Middle East and Asia in general, Taker and John Cena are the most famous outside of America

[@Zonedout420]

I got to see Undertaker debut at Survivor Series was a fan since

[@cokeysmurf2436]

@@tyson7376 Triple H himself said in an interview that no WWE name is known worldwide more than Taker's

[@michaelford1056]

It was nice having John Cena on the Pod just watching over listening intently but not once speaking, just soaking in the knowledge.

[@drillosophy1012]

That jab about the one tattoo Taker regrets popped me.

[@sheshadrikr9257]

The neck one?

[@deanobeany]

Sarah?

[@aaronmichaelelvisgetz5136]

Duh.

[@2kpurp879]

😂😂😂

[@MattKayser]

The tattoos definitely added to the Undertaker's mystique, especially as he was one of the only wrestlers on TV with two full sleeves at the time.

[@ChangeTheGame219]

Vince was being out of touch. Go figure 😂

[@Snyper1405]

​@@ChangeTheGame219🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@anonymousbo0318]

​@@ChangeTheGame219He was also far more successful than you'll ever be. You insignificant waste of oxygen

[@user-rz8lk4jd5e]

I was undertakers waitress when they’d fly thru Pittsburg. Such a polite and kind man. He’s the best

[@Snyper1405]

I'm so jealous 🪦🖤☠️

[@tug1345]

I watched the segment where Dutch and James were discussing the possibility of having Taker on their podcast, I know Taker and Dutch have known each other for well over 30 years, it'd be good seeing them having a chat and a catchup together

[@KY87Chevy]

Make it happen, get Jake The Snake on the podcast. I would love to see that conversation

[@AzzaNatorLad]

YES! Do it please!

[@joelucas6871]

This needs to happen! I love hearing the stories from my favorites in the sport. Jake and taker could probably talk for hours and I’d listen to every word.

[@DjTheDon614]

Does Jake smoke crack Still?

[@KY87Chevy]

@@DjTheDon614 I think he's been sober about 10 years or so.

[@LoDDEMOCIDE]

@@DjTheDon614 How about you get a crack in the mout? Keep up with current events.

[@wrestling3d44]

Undertaker deserves to be the greatest of wwe. His character was never made to be the traditional face of a company, yet he made a dead guy character the greatest character in the history of the business, the moment he debut he became a star, Undertaker character was so larger than life it captivated people around the world the kids from 90's used to discuss about him may having 7 lives or how he used to draw his power from that urn. In the 90's wwe hired big monster heels just to feud with the undertaker he was huge attraction in the 90's, yeah he wasn't one of the face of the company but he was just as important or more, he didn't needed the world title to get popular unlike others, he got popular without world title,he was a massive draw for 15 years from 2005 till the end and after 2005 he didn't had to be last match to be the main event wherever he was on the card he was the main event.From 2005 onwards people cared about his legendary streak more than the main event itself he was on top for 30 years. WWE never booked him as a number 1 guy but he sure was the best.As of today there have been 37 wrestlemanias he has been in 27 of them.He united 6 eras of wrestling Golden era, New Generation Era, Attitude Era,Ruthless Agression Era,PG era and new era. He has beaten every major faces of the company like Hogan twice for the world title, He beat Ric Flair,Bret Hart,HBK,Steve Austin and the rock,hhh,Cena, Batista,Edge,Orton. If anyone deserves to be called the best of wwe it is the Undertaker. I think the Undertaker is the Greatest Of All Time.

[@Snyper1405]

Exactly!!!!!

[@vegetasingh5760]

Unpopular opinion Mark Callaway is more fun to hang out with than The Undertaker

[@robertcurrie3386]

Your more likely to stay 6 feet a float

[@neiljones-payne1247]

Living legend . Thank you for all the memories all the great matches, my first ever wrestling memory was sitting on my bed as a 4 year old watching royal rumble 94. When he took on yokozuna and from that moment he was my favourite wrestler . Evan during the American badass stage of his career . The only time I've ever cried and I'm not afraid to say it was during the taker vs roman match at marina. Devasted I was , we look at action figures or characters like the will never age but you forget about the human behind it all . And Evan when I'm gone and in 1000 years from naw there will be wrestlers who come and go . Wrestlers who like the rock or similar to hbk or ric flair . But there will only ever be one dead man. A dead man that will never actually be dead . Because everything he done will never be forgotten or done again . Thank you taker

[@markcollins3950]

From Mean Mark Callous to Undertaker he has been my favorite wrestler ... Now as Mark Calloway he is my favorite youtuber... Sir you will forever be a legend and the best of the best in my eyes... I wish I could meet you one day but if not you still are the greatest...

[@wingerding]

You were a mean mark fan? Prove it

[@markcollins3950]

@@wingerding he replaced Sid Vicious in the Skyscrapers ... Then he went solo and his finisher was the heat seeking missile ... Then he was placed with Ox Baker as his manager who taught him the very dangerous Heart Punch because it has killed a couple people and been banned was the story line angle... He faced Lex Luger at a ppv for the US title, if I remember correctly and Luger put him in the torture rack and Mark's leg hit the ref and knocked him down... Is that enough to prove I was a fan...? But my name is also Mark so seeing this unbelievable big man do stuff nobody was doing like walk the top rope and drop an elbow and having my name made me at 8 or 9 become a fan and when he showed up as Kane the Undertaker in WWF I became an even bigger fan....

[@thedarklordsknigh]

Love how Jake didn't have to raise his voice to get your attention

[@cygryl]

Getting to watch The Undertaker shoot the shit for an hour or so is actually really awesome. I always loved that he never broke Kayfab so I never imagined this.

[@pwx9000]

12:45 tortured souls podcast 17:16 vs Ultimate warrior 🐍Instinctively SNAKE 27:55 J A K E THE S N A K E 🐉 32:33 39:15 Jake Snake Pit Money 45:39 Nightmare 50:30 53:00 vs One who Puppets 56:54 59:30 Mick's crazy self screaming 1:01:50 Foley is Santa , anice nice man, thats not hideous 45:50 Red noticed Run 1:07:10 done become content (angry and grudgeful ) 1:12:16 1:04:15 Thunder Take you, Thunder Taker ✨⚡

[@donavonpen6805]

Not sure why this man is never talked about as the greatest ever, all you hear is politic hogan, stone cold, Shawn Michaels , and John cena.

[@MosDefnIT88]

Hogans superstardom catapulted the WWF into the mainstream. Stone Cold was the poster boy for the late 90s cultural f you to authority which he then crossed into the mainstream and was known to almost everyone who had a TV. Made so much money the WWF went public. Shawn Michael is the best in ring worker I've ever watched and most wrestlers will say the same even the ones who can't get over him being a dick in the 90s. John Cena ain't the best at anything. The Undertaker is on a different plane of existence. He's not any of those things I just mentioned. He's the phenom. He didn't need a belt to be over. But, he is hands down the greatest CHARACTER in wrestling history. He's separate because he deserves to be separate.

[@donavonpen6805]

@@MosDefnIT88 I agree, but usually people who have that kind of status in their respective sport or AOR, they are usually considered the GREATEST of all time. And I just think he’s there . I just named those names because you hear them a lot in this kind of conversation.

[@Sigmamaleofhumanspecies4209]

That's becoz the undertaker was always the backbone of wwe

[@clivegibbo6441]

Austin, Taker and Rock go on my Rushmore as that was my era but im not sure who is 4th. HHH played a huge role in that attitude era and i think gets disrespected a-lot. Eddie Guerrero was also huge for me. Loved his wrestling style and he brought the best out of other wrestlers. Randy Orton was a great heel at that time as part of evolution. Loved hitting people with the RKO in school. Although he was older Hogan contributed to the best match ive ever seen. Rock Hogan at mania. I wasn’t a big fan but Lesnar shook up the WWE with his explosive style. All in all its too hard, i cant decide. Someone decide for me.

[@treyperkins2667]

Anyone not putting HHH up there is dumb af

[@robertcurrie3386]

​@treyperkins2667 hhh when I was a youngster was one of the greatest heels one of the best in ring performers.

[@treyperkins2667]

@@robertcurrie3386 I wasn't a youngster, but he damn sure was

[@gokijin]

These are by far the best sponsorship discussions I've seen lol. Especially that Franklin BBQ shirt. Absolutely fantastic place lol.

[@crushthecrusher7134]

Undertaker will always be wresting legend forever

[@jameslookstwice]

I would have never thought in 1990 watching WWF,I would be seeing The Undertaker (talking) about Wrestling,In the future, TIME Flies!!! Best Gimmick.Best Character and the greatest human being playing it.Thank you both I really enjoy this channel.

[@fredbFU]

Dude my dad and uncle worked at Arco arena back in the day so I seen a lot of wwf I remember 91 lights go out you hear the gong Paul was in front taker following behind him…. And I was a little kid maybe 6 or so and even though taker has that slow walk I swear he stopped and looked at me I went from brown to white and hid behind my mother😂

[@jameslookstwice]

@fredbFU Great story Fred.He scared me and I was 19.♥️

[@Snyper1405]

That's what the deadman does 😂​@@fredbFU

[@MobileCrimeFighter]

I'm new here. I was around when you had your debut. My first WWE event in Indianapolis, Indiana, at Market Square Arena, which no longer exists. I know there are many legends, but you have always been my favorite because I grew up watching you perform. Much love and respect for you and Michelle! ❤

[@rtyuik7]

24:47 - i love how as soon as MachoMan's name was mentioned, Mark's mouth started to tighten into what i call "Savage face", leading up to his little "yYeah!" in an impression of Randy's voice...

[@lestalkmorebasss]

Early 90s when Jake was at the funeral parlor and Taker ended up dragging that casket going after him - that was unstoppable Undertaker

[@princewithoutakingdom9716]

First time I saw taker come into the ring on raw I was hooked. He's the watermark. No gimmick will ever be so over IMHO.

[@boraonline7036]

That shows how much of respect and a gentleman Undertaker is. All the fans know the stories of Hogan beeing backstage after Takers first titel run and saying he got injured in the Tombstone because Taker hold himm too tight (WTF?!). In the worst case that could have ment the end of his career for workers thinking he is unsafe to wreste with. But glady that didn't happen, as others didn't buy Hogans BS. And regardless of that Undertaker puts him on his Mount Rushmore of wrestling. You really have to be the better man to be like that! Kudos!

[@nickmorris9311]

Listening to Takers reasoning behind his Mt. Rushmore, it really makes sense and it's what it should be.

[@SmithCommaBenjamin]

I've noticed that the biggest successes and stars in the business (the people who have the foremost right to declare who gets to be on Mt. Rushmore) all say the same 4 people.

[@MargaretKilloran]

My favorite newer podcast to listen to these days! After hearing his stories on Rogan, I'm so happy to hear more stories about Taker's 30+ year career. I still remember the feud with Mick from when I was a kid and the only female fan in my school, so my favorite episode to date!! Having Jake the Snake on the podcast with you two would be a great show.. please do it!

[@alzoruledura7416]

I love that this podcast exists. I was devestated when I learned recently that my childhood hero (Goldberg) Actually sucked. But Mark is the real deal.

[@Takerfanatic]

Undertaker didn't talk about his SARA tattoo 👀 (for obvious reasons lol) but the secret about the Buried Alive match - which I'm fascinated by - is all online.

[@sirepaulos]

still weird hearing Taker do ad voice overs lol another great episode

[@RyanCT89]

I’m with Matt. I loved your Mankind feud growing up. You didn’t lose often but Mankind at that time seemed to be your Achilles’ Heel/kryptonite as he was one of the few characters that could match your “darkness.”

[@elwero8361]

The G.O.A.T of Wrestling!

[@Snyper1405]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@treyperkins2667]

'Your run with Mick' The most incredible feud of all time?

[@hunte_1221]

Love this podcast i love hearing old undertaker stories

[@forty_two42]

My favorite Jake Robert's story is the one where he faked an injury so he could chill at Hart House all day and eat Stu's food. Bret said Stu never found out lol. Stu has always been presented as terrifying (the dude wrestled a tiger) So I can't imagine having the balls to lie to Stu in his own home

[@vicalsi1568]

Should've named either his podcast or one man show Deadman Talking. The entendre of Dead men don't talk or dead men tale no tales.😂

[@sporkinstien6571]

I absolutly love how obvious it is that they are true friends who have actual history with one another.

[@MakuraZalis]

The fact the memories and eras Mark has seen.

[@boknows85]

Y’all missed the built in tag line homage for PrizePicks… “So easy, a Deadman can do it!” 😂

[@stevenlevitt8175]

Its so great seeing him be himself after so many years in character talk about true dedication in itself to your craft

[@bbq5.0]

Your my favorite wrestler and enjoying your podcasts

[@nicksmith0015]

The Undertaker and his "oh yeah!" is cracking me up

[@dun716]

Mick already gave up how yall did the buried alive match, that the dirt mound was hollow under it but they also gave you a little breathing device also.

[@milesvr4672]

When i have kids i definitely gonna make them watch the old wwe..imma gonna tell my kids who is The Undertaker I'm gonna make them ❤ you coz their mama grow up watching The Undertaker so they gotta love Taker's too.Lots of ❤ from Malaysia.

[@johnalbent]

"Mr Undertaker." I remember when William Regal called him that.😂

[@kmattsonwv]

I began watching as a kid at the right time. Such a bog fan of taker. Loved the undertaker character, it's arcs and how he portrayed this persona. My childhood friends who i also watched have passed away. So I have no real connections to this era anymore. So thank u for this podcast. I just hope and pray to meet him one day. Really just to say thank you and shake his hand

[@eddiealdape4459]

Jake Roberts 🐍 & The Undertaker ⚱️ great throw back matches !

[@themetalreaperttv]

would love to see mark on DDPs snake pit pod cast. would be amazing

[@bgb946]

I feel like Mick made more people stars than any other wrestlers. The things Mick did to himself to put people on top in the business. Rock, HHH, Stone Cold, Undertaker, Randy Orton, Vader not saying they wasn't famous but Mick helped them alot by hurting himself to help push them. In my opinion most of them had there best matches with Mick in Hell in Cell or Street fight , I quite , Buried alive and not just the match but the promo leading up to the matches where always great.

[@pelicanphuucker4life]

Shawn and Bret are why modern wrestling literally is like it is. Technical, high flying, fast paced. Taker's picks had the most outside influence and Shawn and Bret are the most inside influence. Wrestlers are smaller because of Bret and Shawn. Because guys like Punk and Danielson got into pro wrestling because of these smaller more Technical talents.

[@tmj325]

It was the fist time I actually started to fear death at that time. Not being scared of it in the sense but that you can actually come back to do whatever you wanted. Lol thanks for all the memories that got better as I got older and understood more about life and the characters in the business. Like when I found out that yous were only playing characters and had real lives and different names outside the business. That's when WWF at the time became everything to me. Anyway I can go on for days but thanks again for giving us your time every week for so many years. You are The greatest ever and the Goat on The Mount Rushmore of wrestling.

[@thedominatormvp]

The murder hawk monster is under Jake The Snakes tutelage and he is giving off major undertaker vibes

[@amari6853]

Even though the guy doesn’t know wrestling that well he brings a side out of Taker that the world has never seen before and I love that

[@nicksmith0015]

I'm not sure what would make you think he doesn't know wrestling. It seems to me that he greeq up watching it and subsequently had far more exposure than most fans through the man he does the show with.... I would love to hear your stance on why you of all people "know wrestling" more so than the host of the show you are watching....that's about wrestling.... featuring one of the greatest and longest tenured wrestlers of all time... Did you learn more than most watching wrestlemania reruns? I gotta hear this

[@deathbeforedishonor2133]

Keep rollin Rollin Rollin Deadman inc ❤🙏💪💪 I remember seeing you for the first time I'm 33 so I saw the ministry side of you and you scared the shit outta me but I've always loved you my favorite person/wrestler ever.

[@torquin316]

Taker and mick created the attitude era

[@joshhamlin1028]

Undertaker is the uncle i've always wanted.

[@Snyper1405]

Be careful what you wish for. If you know what I mean 😁

[@ezduzit4009]

Happy to see this podcast doing well. This is on or above the Austin level on caliber of stories and opinion. No ones opinion is more respected in the business than his. I would like to see guests included at some point.

[@bennymartinez4306]

Here after wrestlemania 🎉and definitely showing all I know this pod! Good luck gents!

[@xploit811]

I stopped watching wwe after Undertaker retired.

[@JackNinetySix]

Damn you really hung in there 😂 I stopped watch when Taker and Triple H stopped being full time

[@Officialmryuck]

The end of the whole attitude era, the Rock, the undertaker, Stone Cold, Bret Hart. Great times in wrestling

[@Rick-kk4yy]

Me too.

[@CandaceRiley-jz6oo]

Me too

[@jeffmace260]

Hearing Taker talk about his first tattoo reminds me of the time I was in Los Vegas. It was March or April in 1995 I had been on vacation for a week and was at the airport to head home. Ahead of me in line was the biggest guy I had ever seen I didn't watch wrestling much at that time so I figured he played football. It was the Godfather I saw him on Tv a few months later he didn't go by Godfather when I saw him I think he went by the name Kama or something like that.

[@navy4181]

26:43 Taker left out the best part about the Savage chair shot and Jake screeching like a dying raptor.

[@joshcurtis8129]

Please keep doing this i could listen to mark tell stories and just anything really for hours

[@camerongerdes824]

I went to the One deadMan show in Melbourne, Australia. It's was amazing and something I will never forget! Thank you!

[@chrisvillarreal3501]

We’re in pflugerville area I’m from San Antonio but my son he loves watching WWE and I always tell him about matches about the undertaker and show them old wrestlemania and old events. Keep up to good job love hearing the talks on KZbin.

[@LauraRock-nl6ix]

Thank you mark

[@michaelnewman7841]

I would love to see at least one episode to be dedicated to top wrestling court stories of all time!

[@JoshuaC]

He told that story with Bruiser Brody in detail during his One man show in Brisbane that I recently attend to... everyone loved it, especially when he made his Fritz von Erich impression

[@rockykong4110]

I hope Undertaker will appear at WM 40.

[@brucebartczak9937]

I love this podcast. I also wanted to be a wrestler when I was younger but now I’m to old

[@smoothforreal4242]

I think Vince noticed the inside tattoo, he just knew he couldnt fire or do nothin because Taker was his man lol prolly one of those things Vince said to himself, i cussed him out and he still did it? Fuck i need him, oh well hes got me lol

[@halloweenjack31]

The Phenom.

[@deadpiratehead]

Mark, i have been a fan since your wwf debut. You and stone Cold are my all time favorite wrestlers. Never stop never stopping. KILL THE LIGHTS. NOW BRING THEM UP!!!

[@IIIIthruXII]

Undertaker for one second turned into macho 😂😂

[@theyohan90]

Meeting taker in Australia was the best experience and life Time archivement

[@moore2music]

My old boss works for 1st Phorm in the office. Andy Frisella is an awesome motivator with his podcast as well. Hey deadman love this podcast.

[@Mrs.Polizzi-Maloney]

It's so cool to think that Paul Bearer was there for Takers first tattoo. P.S. But interestingly enough (not tattoo related), Paul Bearer died while the streak was still intact, so he'll always remember the Undertaker as being undefeated at Mania.

[@user-nv8mv7bs5y]

Thank you taker

[@dazzaboy04]

One of my favourite stories from Taker to this day is still Buzz Sawyer answering the door butt ass naked WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT! 🤣 Uhhh we're here to train? Ohh fuck is that today? 🤣🤣

[@teddegroat6457]

😂😂 “I don’t wanna see grandpa!”

[@ravenzkilla]

Grew up watching you as a little kid. I remember my dad going onto Google and trying to find any undertaker merch he could get his hands on after the undertaker pulled that crazy fake death stunt probably in like 07' if I remember correctly. I can't believe you have your own podcast now this is so dope! My only concern is that I feel old as fuck now haha. Great content man.

[@chshaw87]

Try being 37, mate! Then you’ll feel old as fuck! 😅

[@ashearera]

The Mick Foley Mt Rushmore: Mick Foley, Mankind, Cactus Jack, Dude Love

[@thunderwarrior1759]

Thank You for this absolutely brilliant podcast..it’s insightful, informative and interesting but most of all it’s incredibly entertaining and funny as hell 🙌🙏

[@SyedTabraz-kn5cz]

My forever favourite wrestler the Undertaker

[@PsychoticFruitfly]

the "some guy in nashville" was Dave Digby at Lone Wolf tattoo on west end ave..

[@theimmortaldeadman468]

You should invite Jake on the podcast i would love to hear those stories

[@TheLikeButton.]

Please come back week after week!

[@aceloco817]

Are yall gonna have guests on in the future of this show? Never seen Taker as the one asking questions or being the interviewer. Even tho this is his show, kinda like dude is a guest of his own show. Lol

[@jaystreet46]

Mick Foley is the man!!

[@kathrynjones7964]

Absolute best of all time - always look forward to new episodes

[@ryant3600]

I got to see Jake back in the 80's and one thing about him, was he was the master of psychology.

[@riotd.r.8363]

My mom is a huge Gamecock fan and is an ambassador for a chunk of their home games. By proxy I have to love the games lol

[@ernstbergerbrent]

Mick Foley taking more than he gives out is the story of his career

[@markcollins3950]

A couple questions... I wonder if it was hard to keep kayfabe for all those years...?And who was your favorite manager you had besides Paul Bearer...?