Are There Too Many Magic: the Gathering Products?

[@gully041]

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Hell yes. Unfortunately its not going to stop anytime soon. WotC is the only thing keeping the bloated corpse of Hasbro afloat.

[@ArtisticTomahawk]

Paused at 0:01 Yes, yes there are too many. Unpausing and watching now :)

[@DuraheLL]

why too many? how does it affect you?

[@ArtisticTomahawk]

@DuraheLL Competitive mtg requires you purchase all the cards for the best decks and as the meta evolves you need to buy even more cards. Casual players just play whatever :/

[@DuraheLL]

@@ArtisticTomahawk Are you competative? If you are, anyone, is always expected to have to pay a lot. It's always been like that. Even at slow release points and evolving metas. Buying singles is for people going pro, hardcore collectors, but if you're an INVESTOR you're doing it for the wrong reasons (unless you do it for fun) but anyone looking for profit in investing in these sort of things, are basically to blame themselves only. New sets come with new optimal deck ideas etc, but only a select handful and at the very start of the sets being released will they be unreasonably priced. If you are constantly looking to catch up with the standard meta... you have to accept the degeneracy of how standard formats work.

[@ArtisticTomahawk]

@@DuraheLL Yes, I play in comp & pro REL events. More sets = more cards More cards = more money No I do not invest. Direct to format Modern was the worst. Modern Horizons 1, 2, 3, LOTR Lucky that Assassin's Creed was a horrible set. T1 MH3 decks required 40-50 new cards =/

[@DuraheLL]

@@ArtisticTomahawk Yes but any competative format is not optimal on your wallet. Whilst more sets equal more, it's always the thing. If you're chasing the top, expect that as a fact. I never play standard, I despise constructed formats with a burning passion for those reasons. Always having to see cards as useless after a small amount of time, and then finding a majority of cards useless in standard due to many sets being legal in it. Only 5 sets were released for standard in 2024. That's fair. But modern, you ALWAYS have so so many old cards no matter how many new ones come out that you can make great things happen even if you skip a few years of investing. So many decks being slept on.

[@Beckola44]

The prices for boxes are getting expensive and with so many reprints, it drives the prices of certain good cards down on the secondary market. Wizards wants it both ways by charging too much for sealed boxes that does not have much value inside. We started plying Magic back in 1994. My two sons and I used to buy cases of sealed boxes. We have cut back dramatically and pick and choose what we want. We also buy more singles. Wizards will continue to flood the market with more sets, Universes Beyond, and Secret Lairs. It seems that players do not have much time to enjoy the current set because another set is just around the corner. I skipped buying boxes of Ravnica Remastered, Karlov Manor, Fallout, Thunder Junction, Assassin's Creed, Modern Horizons 3 and Secret Lairs. I did preorder the Precons and Prerelease kits from our LGS and I bought a lot of singles. I also picked up some cards on the Reserved List. I have saved thousands of dollars by doing this. I will do the same by skipping Aetherdrift. We are all looking forward to Final Fantasy because we played the RPGs. We especially liked Final Fantasy 9. Thank you for the video.

[@Slightly.Lost.]

I engage with the game by keeping up with via KZbinrs. Mostly y'all, TCC, and PleasantKenobi. Otherwise I buy cards from my LGS when I can for my commander decks, I brew deck ideas with friends when we can play, and that's about it. I've given up on trying to keep up with things like I used to. I go at my own pace and I'll find the cool stuff I need when I get to it.

[@joelmacgregor2615]

Same. I can’t keep up anymore, so I take it in now at my pace

[@JuliusKlovekorn]

Looking at every new Magic set that releases is like a Full time job 😂

[@TheGatorDude]

That's probably what J and J are hoping....

[@williamisbister9668]

I pretty much quit because of it. Too expensive. Too much. Too often. The magic is gone. I'm selling off my collection in pieces and I'll have a deck or 2 and maybe get some proxy decks but I'm tapped out.

[@jaysonwashington8787]

And it has resulted in games taking 5x longer due to mechanics and complexity as well

[@Aldrnari956]

WotC needs to back down to 6 or 7 products per year in total. 4 standard sets, 2-3 supplementary sets.

[@coachesmagic2886]

It is possible to have too much of a good thing. #Hasbro

[@lexist7]

It doesn’t really matter how much product comes out. They are doing whatever they need to do to make money. Just buy what you want and don’t buy what you don’t want. Consumers still have a choice.

[@Azeria]

Apparently the gap between OTJ and MH3 was intended to be longer, however much of the set was leaked and WOTC’s hand was unfortunately forced. However, we also literally got Aetherdrift previews before Foundations came out. Ultimately WOTC have reduced the number of sets releasing in the next year, I do think they‘ve heard the complaints and tried to slim it down. My biggest issue is spoilers. Why do we know every card _before_ release? Why is most of the discussion of the set _before_ you can buy it?

[@jeffreypavlik629]

Yes, there are way to many MTG product on the market. It's a common theme among nearly every card set and not just TCG. Sports cards have to many sets and parallel sets.

[@LordJaroh]

I enjoyed collecting the sets and playing. I no longer can collect sets, and I play a hell of a lot less. Wizards has chased me from the lawn. :/

[@brendans1983]

18:57 man, you guys haven't lived til you've done an advanced Scryfall search on a phone. That PC screen looks waay too easy on your eyes!

[@nexhenblog6738]

I am brand new, going to a learn to play next week. 14:33 will be fun to find out what my persona is…40 y/o working for at a SaaS company in a new city and looking to get into this after sports card collecting that just isn’t hitting anymore.

[@JonReid01]

Never forget: "This product is not for you." 😂

[@CrackinJank]

Jakes idea of seeing what you could buy with $100 from each set would be a dope video

[@jibb8545]

Yes, it's way too much. They can pump out as much product as they want now that I'm no longer buying any of their products. Haven't bought a single card since the commander fiasco and won't be any time soon.

[@Lanterns_light]

I’m a new player with foundations then fell in love with Bloomburrow. I like the purist high magic mtg theme and think the meme sets are repulsive. But I’ll be going all in on Spider-Man 😅 I had a temporary lapse and almost pre-ordered aetherdrift products then a came to my senses and spent the money some nice singles.

[@DaClaptain]

I think the meme sets are repulsive. But I'm going all in on a meme set. Make it make sense bud.

[@matteobagni1235]

Yes. But we won't need to pay attention

[@pythagoraspie5832]

Just enough product to make me plan on selling all of my cards except for a couple decks and tapping out.

[@DuraheLL]

WHY be that of a degenerate and loser tho... abandoning the hobby because they (in your eyes) make mistakes? I mean that has to be the most incel and stupid thing I can imagine. If you like the game, you can easily find methods and formats that suit you. Let them burn their ship to the ground, if wouldn't impact the way we enjoy and play it.

[@jibb8545]

Haven't bought a card since the mana crypt/jlo/Dockside ban and also considering selling out my collection. I just can't anymore with this nonsense.

[@DuraheLL]

@@jibb8545 So you are mad that the game get better when awful degenerate garbage is banned? You are the problem here.

[@ReyaadawnMTG]

I always know I'm cooking something unique when a key card in the deck only has one version.

[@stylaffulus7541]

0:00 Yes. More sets/supplementals =/= more play. Good day.

[@RogueBullhead]

Lotr, Warhammer, fallout and assassin's have brought more of my 30+ year old friends back into the game than anything this year.

[@ak2298]

Im actually feeling bad for all the great mtg channels...because you really have to keep up with the huuuuuge pile of garbage hasbro throws at us all...

[@doorknocker8920]

Honestly, for some of the bigger channels, I don't think it's actually a bad thing for them. I think it's pretty good. Because the thing is with the internet is you need to constantly upload, and this provides a way for them to get consistent content.

[@scaredycat3146]

It's free content. They get to farm views all year without any effort. What's not to love about that? Strictly from a CC POV.

[@thevoxdeus]

You feel sorry because they have tons of potential content? This kind of release schedule is PERFECT for a dedicated channel.

[@chrisfloto3599]

It was cool when we were all hyped for a new set release. It’s been so long since I watched prerelease videos. I don’t even know if they still make those.

[@nonameimpotantlive9233]

Ahhh the days when WoTC had set blocks 2/3 I belive original Ixilan was last block

[@relicdad88]

Yes it was then war of spark was last stand alone standard set then throne of eldrain introduced all the madness. They need 2 make their crappy universe beyond stuff if they want jus seperate it from regular game make new format. I'm fine with few ips that can mix good with magic but its getting ridiculous 2 me.

[@trainwrecker72]

I'm the old head that was out of the game and Lord of the Rings grabbed me by the nose and dragged me back in head first , I have the ability to buy the product even at these crazy prices for cardboard but the nostalgia of magic and lord of the rings caught me full force and I watch the other sets from the side but wizards has so much product coming out and as someone outside the media and social media sphere it's definitely overwhelming to track it all.

[@meant09]

I used to buy a good bit of sealed both to hold and to open. Nowadays it’s singles only though I ask for sealed for gifts. Opening those gifts always makes me thankful I don’t buy sealed for myself. Almost always disappointed opening bc even if it’s nice cards, that I got for free, it’s not usually what I actually wanted for my decks

[@BlightwidowMTG]

Two years ago as a casual player I would have said that there were too many sets, and I didn't even know about secret lair products, or play commander. But now being more involved in the online community I think it is fine. They need to release sets because it is a business and ultimately someone is always going to buy it. If you as a consumer think it is going too fast, then you can choose not to buy it. Its all about managing your own fomo. I personally skip most Universe Beyond sets because I want magic to feel like how it was when I started playing, but as a collector they do get me on secret lairs haha!

[@obadijahparks]

Yes..... yes there are too many mtg products.

[@Lone_Wolf1022]

Magic reprints and overprinting sets kills the value. The only protected cards are the reserve list. Pokemon does not do this and thats why there cards retain value.

[@Vorniforous]

Serialized cards and special foil alt arts are the new reserved list

[@definitelynotmany4972]

Pokemon also overprints and kills the value. That is the best thing about Pokemon. I don’t get why people act like it is bad when Magic/Yugioh does it, but it is good when Pokemon does it. Overall, it is a good thing for players.

[@Lone_Wolf1022]

@@definitelynotmany4972 yes it is good for players in terms of having a lower bar of entry to play the game. However, for investors, they want to see their collectibles growing value and not have their investments demolished with tons of reprints overtime. That’s why I just buy reserve those cards now.

[@MattCorrales]

What really bothers me is that all six 2025 sets are full standard legal booster box sets. PLUS bonus shenanigans yet to be revealed. PLUS Innistrad Remastered. I’m the crazy person who used to enjoy having a basic foil set of every standard release. Now, I’m burnt out.

[@jaysonwashington8787]

Too many products have lead to games lasting 5x longer, too much complexity, a lack of cohesion in art and feeling, it all feels bad now. I dont want a stupid planewalker in a cowboy hat, fighting spongebob with protection from Captain Americas shiled, with My Little Pony Auras, paid with Fractured Foil Japanese Anime, etc. The last few commander games over the holidays were the most toxic to date. No one had fun. No one knew the interactions. Everyone just wanted it to end. All 3 games which took 8 total hours. Its almost dead to my playgroup

[@CosmicRevolution459]

I skip looking at the Universes Beyond products and don't care about it at all. It does help to reduce the cramped yearly schedule to something more manageable.

[@xJaroba]

As a new player (6 months) there’s just too many releases I feel. I’ve had an absolute blast collecting and playing the new sets, however I’m already getting burnt out. I bought everything and spent thousands on every release from Bloomburrow to foundations. Now heading into 2025 I’m going to pick and choose the sets I collect and go after, whether it’s the theme that speaks to me or it’s the reprints within a particular set, I just can’t mentally and financially collect for what, 9 sets a year? It’s absurd

[@MSDGAMEZ]

Not enough for me. Im new to magic so im enjoying it. I love Hasbro

[@justinb845]

My 10 person commander play group bought around 20 collector boxes of MH3 and we will never play modern. I keep thinking about how well that set targeted commander players

[@MattamusX]

I look to see if any new retro foils of stuff they have never done before and then about every 3 sets they will print one card good enough to buy but even then I don’t want to buy them because they will just reprint them into oblivion. I do because I’m stupid but I know I’m stupid and like to set money on fire.

[@nathangarside4747]

I started playing MTG in 94 and have been an old school player for the past 5 years, moved and just started to engage new magic; I have no idea how much I spent but building modern, standard, and commander not only has been expensive but I find I have nowhere near enough time to play all of it (especially with sealed and draft) and by the time I can buy the singles for a competitive deck- well the meta has already shifted. Guess I need to figure out a better way to engage mtg into 2025… I love to play and have the means, but don’t want to buy tons of stuff for it all to tank either that seems pointless. Sounds like J&J might have some ideas for me?

[@curtisspivey234]

I feel your pain so much up to Iokria I bought every booster box then i gave up. Just to much its all singles now.

[@travisrobb1710]

I used to collect whole sets as they came out but with the ramp up in number of products, and them revealing the play booster with the huge price increase I stopped buying any

[@kapiatgatas]

Yes, there are too many but too many bad sets. It's also not good if it's spread too wide and the same time not good products. If you did not notice? There is no Commander Legends or Masters product. Except for MH3 and commander sets? I skipped the rest. I prefer more products that is essential to my commander format.

[@MattCorrales]

Every set does have to be for me if I want to be tournament competitive. That’s the annoying part. Not everything had to be standard legal!

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

Yeah, there's too much product, but this is mostly a commander problem. Commander players feel the need to pay attention to everything and constantly upgrade their existing decks and build new ones, despite the fact that they claim they aren't competitive. If you don't play commander as your main format a lot of stuff this year has been very ignorable. None of the secret lairs have mattered to me. Outside of some singles, the standard sets didn't matter much to me. MH3 mattered. I bought a few of that. I didn't feel overwhelmed. But if commander was still my main format, I would have felt overwhelmed. I'd need a bunch of singles from every set, then a bunch more because it's only cheap now and I might need it someday. 6 standard sets coming in 2025, I think standard players will feel overwhelmed in 2025. I'm planning to mostly play pauper and modern in 2025, so I don't think I'll feel any pressure from the rapid release cycle.

[@RogueBullhead]

Another lotr set would sell like hot cakes in my opinion. And if star wars or game of thrones would happen... sheesh

[@rossi461]

Yes there should only be like 4 sets a year at most

[@chayadol]

It depends on perspective, one side, yes it's too much. One the other side, OH My God! It IS too god darn much! Urza Christ Almighty Dominaria! Joke aside, yeah its a lot of products, but I dont think its all that bad. I just dont buy the one I dont want lol I agree with buying singles and heck I dont even think we even need to keep catch the power creep up, if you aren't competitive. I think older cards still hold well and fun especially in edh. I called this era, era of casual.

[@aeb814]

Pfft. Are you two seriously asking that?

[@NunzioLP]

Hasbro is lacking money. So they pumping Cardboard for Papers.

[@richardmolano5538]

I'm not going to do anything with Innistrad remastered. I played hard in Innistrad, no need to pay any more reprints. Innistrad remastered is a good time to take a break from MTG products. They need to make bigger sets and LESS sets.

[@danthewafflelord3059]

There's both too much and not enough. A lot of sets got released but no good preconstructed products like duel/starter decks (we only got 3), no challenger-esque decks for any 60 card formats, MOST of the Jumpstart runs were absolute duds and retiring the block structure meant genuinely great sets like Neon Dynasty and Bloomburrow had no room to breathe

[@ultimaterare3146]

I personally pulled back because of this release schedule. Can’t enjoy a set & collect a master set with this speed. I play Flesh & Blood now so I can enjoy a new set & be current. WOTC needs to slow back down.

[@Insacreed]

Why do you promote buying in tcgplayer but not selling on tcgplayer? Sketchers

[@caljam82]

Yes

[@valiantstallion]

Ya. I stopped purchasing logos 2 years ago. RIP woke ass Hasbro.

[@chrisfloto3599]

These guys way over print and have to many set releases. It’s cool they are manipulating print runs to give new release cards some value. I’m not sold on anything new magic yet. I made it trough 2021-24 I saw how much they didn’t care about our card values and their reprint equity. I highly doubt they will ever get me again buying new magic just reserve list if anything.

[@DuraheLL]

No. Not too many products. If you cound side gigs like Fallout in the mix, MH3, why would you? I even heard some people counting EVERY product within a set... yea, like "there were 200(!!!!!!!!!!!) products released this year!" So they are stupid enough to calculate a bundle, play booster display, collector box like they count on the list of "too many products" xD Amazing... If you care about standard, there is quite some time between sets. 2024 had 4 standard sets. Is that too much?! How hard is it to ignore the others, I mean really? Come on? You're a commander player? Then there truly matters not if 1 or 10 sets came out in a year. Commander is a busted constructed "historic" format anyways, there are millions (not literally) of cards to buy that are cheap and fun to play. 2025 will be less than 2024 too overall.

[@DaClaptain]

Like how you complain about people counting actual product released in a year, calling them stupid. Then go on to actually over exaggerate yourself. Make it make sense man.

[@DuraheLL]

@DaClaptain What? Nothing you said made sense

[@joshuarojas9282]

MTG needs a reSET😅

[@Turn1Hippie]

Magic the gathering has a couple of problems. 1: Yes, there are way to many products released in a year. 2: Way too much reprinting of cards in way to many variants, so cards holds little/to no value in the end. Great for the "only buying singles" army, but not good for collectors. Must not forget that Magic is a CCG (Collectable Card Game). 3: Overprinting.Though if we are to believe what people are saying, they are printing less of each set. (At least collector boosters and the special products). And yes you can buy singles. But where in the end will you get your singles, when the ones you usually buy from stop selling because they can't make money on the singles anymore. I usually open a descent amount of products every year. But i stopped because i almost always end up loosing big. Buying a 250-300 dollar product and ending up with maybe 100-200 in singles is not fun in the long run imo. Yes i focus a lot on the value of the cards because i spend good money on the products, and i want more then just play value in the end.

[@MrGenyaAvacado]

No, not enough space.

[@ao_fo_sho]

In my head, I’d like to think you have no capabilities beyond sitting and talking about mtg. Your wives/girlfriends are like Lloyd Christmas at the bar in dumb and dumber and you’re the yapping girl but only discussing commander meta “no and I don’t care…”