Do Archery Stabilizers Make Any Difference?

[@octaviogarcia5457]

Hello Jake, I am always amazed at your precision at 70 mt even though you are no longer competing and training as a full time athlete. I think you departed from the competition too early!!!

[@മനനംചെയ്യാം]

I think the same too,

[@grasscla]

Great video! During this winter break having some free time I’ve been studying a lot about archery and coach Lee’s shot cycle, trying to get better at the sport I love. No joke, I’ve watched every single form-related video on your channel, putting in hours and hours, taking pages and pages of notes on important things I need to know. I’ve been shooting for just above one year, but thanks to your amazing videos I’ve just competed in my first youth national championship! I’ll never be able to thank you enough. The archery community is so lucky to have such high level athlete putting in the time to teach others to be better!

[@sillybilly7467]

Nice story! What’s your best score indoor 18m?

[@grasscla]

@@sillybilly7467485 a couple tournaments ago, couldn’t really find the form in the last ones. Luckily it was team championship, because there’s no way I could’ve qualified as a solo

[@waynestevenson9613]

Great story and truth that the archery community is better with JaKe!

[@RichardCrookes-ri3fe]

Hi Jake my name is Richard, I’m a traditional bare bow archer from Australia & although I only shoot traditional bows I’m interested in all forms of archery & found your video on stabilisers very interesting. I hope you look at this in more depth, maybe by having 2 identical or similar bows tuned respectively, I think also spending time with each bow set up would help your findings. Perhaps even shooting in separate sessions. Thanks Jake I love watching your videos.

[@cavetroll]

This is something I love. Experimentation to see why the system acts the way it does

[@Andy-sj2hl]

This video gives a clearer sense of the disrance that Olympians shoot at better than any Olympics TV coverage I’ve ever seen.

[@glenrutten5031]

Would be interesting to add a 3rd option....sights with barebow weight to see how much simply adding weight affects accuracy.

[@benspeedschannel888]

Seconded 👍

[@malp6280]

adding weight is exactly what a stabiliser does, except "stabilisers" they project such outward to reduce torqueing the bow.... that's all if our competent bare or recurve using a stabiliser will only add slight improvements to accuracy, personally id suggest this was over-exaggerated to the implementation of such equipment... I'd second this with why competent archers bare or otherwise remain accurate without stabilisers & I'd add it also shows in other environments ie hunting/3D where by 30"+ stabilisers aren't used & remain accurate in adverse conditions. what's not being mentioned is practise, the archer makes the equipment accurate in use, not the "necessity" to fit 3rd party items creating a better archer..... in short, if your into archery... remove the toys, weights, stabilisers & practice/shoot & you'll get so much better then flashing the cash

[@kenttalcott8428]

Agreed, be curious to see if barrow style weight would change the feel and location and dispersion of the grouping

[@TheHadMatters]

Appreciate alternating the setups, that's a bunch of extra work but really useful for providing reliable insight.

[@phantomcruizer]

The overwhelming answer is “Yes”, stabilizers make a difference. Great video 😎

[@BlakeGoddard]

Thanks so much for your content. I’ve just started up recurve archery and falling in love with the sport. I’ve been shooting really consistently now after only 3 weeks, at 20meters, all gold, some red. But really starting to understand why stabilisers are used, so this video was super helpful.

[@UrsulaWiezel]

Hello Jake I wish you and your family only the best for the coming year! Stay healthy and sunny at heart. Also thank you very much for all the numerous and extremely informative videos! Happy greetings Ursula

[@LuqmanHM]

Jake can you compare the scores of high end stabilizers vs lower/mid end stabilizers?

[@jeffvanne9744]

Hi Jake. Interesting question in this video, nicely illustrated as usual. According to me, the most important use of the stabilizer is the preservation of the elbow, and the rest of the bow arm, from vibrations. My archer life changed when I switched for a more a stabilizer more adapted to my bow, my elbow pain went away right after the change.

[@rodphillips4333]

Hi Jake thanks for your commitment to the community this video was very informative I have recently watched a couple of your older videos about spt’s I needed the video demos of each to help me understand the drills I found a good app called archery timers spt it’s fantastic and I’m now ready to go so thank you again for what you do.

[@michaltwarowski1990]

Hey Jake great video thanks for taking time to share this content. If I could suggest something then I would like to see you shoot with a bare bow style weight that weights the same as your stabiliser set with weights. This would prove that it’s not the overall bow weight but its distribution provided by the stabilising system that makes the bow stable during the shot cycle.

[@azzlaziz]

I'd second this

[@colingregory7464]

Would be interested to see the same with a sighted "barebow" setup How much is mass and how much is distributed mass ?

[@colingregory7464]

For reference I shoot a compound and mostly shoot a pair of short rods (front and back) with barebow weights on the end and the short setup shoots almost identical scores to the long rod (long rod weighted to balance the same as the short rod, the same moment roughly)

[@EdmunddelaRiviere]

Great video Jake. You’re right, It would have been interesting to see the change to the sight picture with the Mantis device. I just re-watched that video yesterday. I found your steadiness disturbing compare to mine, now I am amazed I can even hit the target. I think for me it has been a good tool for stabiliser set up. I use a steadyAim, and while I do not think it’s as good with the phone interface as the mantis system. I believe it has helped me to understand the movement of my bow and the use of weights with the stabiliser to help it. I believe it has also helped me to give a better focus to my steadiness as a whole. In the end, though your video about not over aiming, and not trying to overcorrect has helped me not to focus too much on it. Thanks for the help.

[@-fazik-3713]

I bought SteadyAim because people said it was better than Mantis. I had Mantis already. SteadyAim is definitely worse. Especially for a barebow.

[@dustydustydusty]

Great video Jake. More interesting than I thought it would be. Sometimes I put an ounce & half magnet on the lower limb bolt. Not sure if it shooting any better but that little bit seemed to make some sort of difference. Thought it was in my head and couldn't possibly do anything. I'm definitely thinking about maybe trying a lot more weight now.

[@billj5645]

In the old days, predating me so maybe I should say real old days, a lot of Hoyt users used a pair of short front stabilizers, mounted at the top and bottom of the riser. Then people started using a single long front stabilizer. When we started using V-bars I like that the best because it added weight and the riser didn't move around as much while aiming or upon release. I have tried early season practice with just a single front stabilizer and I didn't like it. I agree though- reduce or remove the stabilizers for practice to see if you are throwing the bow or allowing things to move too much. When I shot a compound in limited freestyle division in NFAA I did not use the V-bars and the heavier riser worked well enough to control movement. If a person could work on their form without stabilizers and improve that way it seems that it would help their shooting when using stabilizers. This is a very interesting video. V-bars? we were using those in the 1970s, we made our own mounts.

[@ceshelfer]

I'd like to see you break down arrow location and the FORM failure that causes them. For example, when the right handed archer see an arrow hit left what FORM issues should they think about? I would first think I'd plucked and I'd focus on anchor and follow thru. Next I would think about rotation etc. Thanks

[@Barx1963]

Very interesting. Like others I would like to see a further teset with the bow weighted up so it has the same mass weight, but no rods. For beginners that I coach/teach, I always explain that the stabiliser have a few effects. Increased mass weight belps stabilise your aiming pattern, mass weight along with placing the weight on a rod reduces vibration and "shock" that makes a bow less tiring to shoot and can help in reducing anticipation of the shot, while placing weight at end of rods reduces the amount of torque of the bow when the shot breaks. Having an additional test would isolate what the effects of weight versus rods is.

[@janickgonzalez8900]

I knew this vid was gonna be a banger once i saw it pop up on my fy.

[@dekimilicic]

Why you didn't try with Barebow weights, will be interesting is it necessary to put all those bars or we can use smaller and heavy weights. Much more confortable.

[@Brainhoneywalker]

Thank you for this analysis! I’m considering other weights for my stabilizer system. I would be interested to see what would have happened if you had adjusted your sight after the first three shots, to make your shots land nearer the center.

[@leofuhren70]

Hi Jake, how would a 10 Inch stabiliser work which is shot in IFAA? Like your Videos again and again! All the best for 2024! Leo from Germany

[@thecarrot4412]

Looks like you're having fun with all sorts of things. In my experience arrows will act dynamically stiffer without the stabiliser. I think it is a combination of more inertia in the bow allowing the limbs a little more time to drive the arrow before the bow moves forward, and that target recurves are top heavy on average so the stabilisers centre the push a bit better from your bow hand. Remove those and the arrow just gets a little less energy I think. Stack some weight in the lower bushing so it wants to sit a bit more level and try it again!

[@Sangey_archery]

Jake, can you make a video on the breathing technique we should use when shooting an arrow. I mean the whole process from set to follow through.

[@recurvesm4386]

Hi Jake, care to share the weight configuration you’re using in this video?

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

I wasn't surprised to see the groups move a little to the left. Jarryd from the Rogue Archery TV KZbin channel did a video around "Is it ok to break-away?" about a year ago and in that he was talking about the force vectors at full draw and the effect they have after the release. The force vector for a right handed shooter, will naturally push the bowhand a little to the left during the follow through. Since you don't have all that weight on the bow when you remove the stabilisers, could the break-away could be happening ever so slightly earlier in the follow through? And thus affecting the groups to pull a little to the left.

[@thekayakingarcher7948]

I wonder if there’s any difference between long rod only results vs whole stabilizer set up?

[@mgeelhoed1307]

Hello Jake, could you do the same sort of vid on dampeners?

[@moltenbullet]

Might be too late to ask this, but I'd be curious regarding (a) stabiliser lengths - of the whole system, i.e. incl extenders and side stabs - and the impact those variables have on shots, and (b) stabiliser quality and the impact on shots.

[@ravanaravana2008]

Hey Jake! How about just the long bar ?? Without the side rods ??

[@-fazik-3713]

100%. It is the same as a tightrope performers poles. You can do without them, but it is much easier with them.

[@mikebyford5258]

Please compare like with like Barebw uses large weights .. just not as long "rods" Repeat using legal BB weights and I suspect the variation will be much less !

[@waynestevenson9613]

I tend to think because of your expansive explosion after the shot that without the stabilizer your expansion is less suppressed and being right-handed you open up more to the left without the weight 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@kpay10]

How did you measure exactly how far 70m distance was? Did you have a really long measuring tape?

[@carstenenevoldsen9076]

Hi Jake, why not just put some heavy weight on the lower end of the riser instead of expensive V-bars? That will lower the center of gravity and hinder canting just as well as v-bars?

[@SilenceNate]

Hey Jake, How do you like the NS-XP Wood compare to Foams??

[@stevenprice4810]

Jake what’s the average poundage of your bows? Are they the same now as when you competed, thanks.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Anywhere from 45-47 lbs avg on the channel. Since 2013 I’ve shot around 46 but previous was 48-53 max competing

[@mathiashammar1]

12:32 i agree, shooting without stabalizers enhances some bad habits 😂. But also remove alot of weight will throw off your form alot.

[@ventusstrife6715]

Hello, jake. I want to buy a Rcore I am grip for my metal traditional riser. I shoot with split finger, I don't walk on string. but I have a very small hand. Should I choose I am Recurve or Barebow?

[@ThirdLawPair]

Could the impacts to the left be caused by the riser jumping faster to the left upon release than it otherwise would with the added mass of the stabilizer? F=ma, so lower mass of the bow would mean faster acceleration of your bow hand in that direction.

[@sergeiz.5815]

How many yards for total newbie? I was told 10😊

[@typhoon2827]

Yeah that's fine; learn the shot first 👍🏻

[@henrys4838]

That your arrows drifted to the left after removing the stabilizers betray a tendency in your form that is otherwise masked?

[@canuckarcher]

Hi Jake, I was under the impression that a stabilizer setup had a stiffening effect on an arrow yet the impact point moved to the left without the stabilization. Did you expect that to happen?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Stabilizers, specifically heavier set-ups weaken the arrow in my experience.

[@daveholland6170]

I would like to see how it responds with barebow weights on 👍🙂

[@rainiehon115]

im currently shooting a 24lb recurve. I wonder when shall I add side rods to the stabilizer system?

[@recurvesm4386]

Not until you’re shooting 34+ pounds. Otherwise it’s not doing anything and too heavy.

[@octaviogarcia5457]

Hi, if you already use a long rod then you have noticed the increase in stability thanks to weight being far-out weight up front. You will be gladly surprised about the overall stability gained by adding side rods. The tricky part is to fiddle with the weight distribution which includes selecting the optimal length of the side rods. Since weight is weight you do not need to start up with the expensive ones. Get at least two kits of inexpensive weight sets, those that include 1/2, 1, 2 and 4oz weights so that you have enough combinations to experiment with. Jake has a few videos on stabilizer rod setup which are great to watch.

[@shauryakushwaha9861]

Is ramrods vektor good stabilizer

[@riverat5601]

I didn't see a counter balance for the stabilizers. Why not?

[@ziuwaz1588]

without stabilizers you maybe should have kept the bow more firmly in your hand, just like a traditional bow (no death grip though obviously) i think. im not fully sure the arrow already went past the riser when the bow "drops" if you know what i mean.

[@janickgonzalez8900]

Hey jake, i was wondering, is it neccesary to have stabilizers on an international competition, like its definetely an advantage but if you just wanted to show up and use only a sight, could you? (Don't know why someone would but, just asking).

[@recurvesm4386]

Not at all! If you really wanted to you could shoot a hand made wood longbow in the recurve division!

[@janickgonzalez8900]

@@recurvesm4386 dang....imagine if the longbow won😭

[@Macilious]

i don't understand it but you remind me of Stephen Amell playing Oliver Queen "green arrow" , i find that really cool actually

[@laurentmeiller5171]

70 meters doesn't forgive any movement but 18 or 25 meters indoor... this afternoon so i tried my new WNS Elnath riser without my central stabilisation (the only i use), but i used a 180 g barebow mass till 18 meters i have no lateral movement, the omly mistakes are because my viewer was too high, but over 25 meters i know the stabilisation is necessary for me (i'm not a champion)

[@hidehide-d3g]

I've attempted that shooting without any stabilizers. Then I know that I rely on my own riser handling the senter-stabilizer and side-rods.

[@jasonconner8955]

Need to add weight to the riser equal to that of the stabilizer. Just removing the stabilizer makes it shoot stiff.

[@jasonnester9514]

Dude holds his recurve steadier than I do my compound

[@thephoenicianarcher5267]

Brother it is grip related you need to counter the sight weight

[@davidjensen2411]

#Harmonics

[@ivanrossi6481]

Great video, but I was expecting that. Removing at all the stabilizer is introducing a huge change. I would like to be very curious and interested on the two following cases: 1) with the same stabizer, change the weights significantly. 2) compare a very high end quality stabilizer with a cheap one, making the tuning with your experience as best as possibile

[@ednicart2571]

hi jake i hope you notice. can you try shooting 70m with a 68" 24 lbs olympic recurve.❤❤❤

[@Generale2006]

La freccia diventa rigida quando la massa dell'arco diminuisce, per questo va a sinistra

[@garymickus6412]

Does anyone know when stabilizers appeared for the first time in the Olympics?

[@recurvesm4386]

I believe around the same time as archery returned to the games was also when people started using stabilisers. So around 1972

[@mattgray2659]

They were being used when archery came back into the olympics in 1972. Mostly either long rods or just top or bottom rods. By the 1980 Olympics most people were using a v bar setup. Jake talks about everyone in 2000 shooting just a long rod and back weight. At top level this was pretty unique to Butch (maybe Rod White also), I think because he came from a compound background where this sort of setup was common. Pretty much everyone else was using vbars. There are some good archive videos on KZbin of the 1972,1980,1984 and 1988 olympics.

[@garymickus6412]

@@mattgray2659 Thanks. It would be interesting to know the history of stabilizers; the inventor and their initial appearance in Archery. Maybe Jake will produce a video.

[@andrewanderson3472]

Very impressive shooting for seventy metres

[@sergeiz.5815]

Just picked up my first bow samick sage brand put sight thingy on it. Awesome range in Pacifica CA. I'm old guy 62.😊 Looking for new hobbies. Subscribe r😊to your KZbin channel 😊now

[@jasonnester9514]

Don’t need bars

[@garyhiggins6718]

Stabilisers❤ made no difference to my Mum, and sue was Ladies East Midlands Champion! Mind you, that was in 1957!😅😅😅😅😢😅