Recurve Archery Nocking Point | Tuning Series Episode 9 | How to find the best spot for you

[@tomconaway3286]

Another great one,,, love that you are being inclusive of the barebow community,,, Thanks as always

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks

[@histriamagna1014]

Thank you for the great explanation. Greetings from Slovenia.👍

[@thedragon-gr]

Can't thank you enough for all the videos! Greetings from Greece!

[@ramiethepeep]

I can't thank you enough for finally - FINALLY - being the guy that says "a 2020 recurve setup is just not the same as a 1990 recurve setup, so why are we using tuning advice from 1990?" The tuning process is confusing enough for a beginner already! I just sat here with my mouth hanging open and my mind blown, because I shoot beiter nocks, and my nock height has NEVER been 'right,' because once I hit the top of the 'acceptable' range, I quit raising it (even though the bareshaft was showing 'nock low') and assumed that the problem was my technique. I know my technique needs work, of course, but this would definitely explain some frustrations I've had for literally years, thank you. 😭👌👍

[@chrisnoble662]

Thanks for this. I shoot Beiter Nocks and always wondered why my tune needs a high nock point

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Glad to answer some questions.

[@troysmith236]

Thank you! I appreciate the way you break down the information.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Excellent video, the book you mentioned in this video is a great book as well. I got it yesterday. Very good book my friend. Thanks for taking the time to share and I hope you have a blessed week. Keep up the great work, this is an awesome series. Dale

[@dennisds33]

Thanks for your great video. The end is like a cliffhanger :-) I need more...

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Always have more to offer. Time is the limiting factor

[@SteveLikeUke]

Thank you, very informative.

[@archer8096]

Needed a quick refresher before setting up a new string. Jake as always, delivers superb advice. Thanks 🙏

[@jaredsmith3813]

Thank you. This was really informative

[@brolandi]

Thanks Jake, great video as always! Can't wait to get your book!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Can’t wait to release it!

[@barbequeluki5676]

You are best, Jake. You help me so much.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Hopefully I keep being helpful.

[@randallkadish5663]

Love your videos. Thanks so, so much.

[@sirkeibner1270]

ooooo jehaaa finaly the video i was waiting for ,,thank you jake ,,have a good one cheers

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Hope it helps.

[@williamwinter2638]

Pretty clear info, some items way out of my league as I am just getting back into bows after 45 years. And I am only interested in bare bow. Too much crap takes the fun out of it.

[@messimattracingchannel3353]

Very very nice job. Lots of good information.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks.

[@-fazik-3713]

Thanks!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks

[@dinnerwithfranklin2451]

Good vid, thanks

[@KellyAtkinson0]

I'm loving your videos and your Training book. Super stoked to hear a tuning book is in the works. Can you please release it as an ebook as well as paper? Hoping it will keep costs down for you and make it easier for me to read! Thanks!

[@stevemarce1988]

🙏🏽

[@gilruirodrigues6268]

Thanks for sharing so much knowledge of experience done. I would also like you to share information about strings. bowsrtring materaials, number of turns, serving size and dimension, etc.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Planning that for sure

[@davidhefner5668]

Its being said there are two nocking points. Those are nocking clamps, or a set of knots. The nocking point is between them.

[@TheRastaDan]

lol, I just ruined the fletching of one of my arrow, will be using this to determine my nocking point

[@blackironbarbell]

Great series. I’m working my way through it for my bow/arrow tune. For those of us amateurs who still have some draw length inconsistencies would you recommend using a limb driven clicker to ensure consistent draw length when it comes time to shoot @ 30 for the fletched bare fletched bare method of determining nocking height?

[@anthonyleger6436]

Brass nock sets/points. I slip a little bit of shrink tube around them to prevent them from tearing up my finger tab leather.

[@AlexanderMLarsen]

Cool tip, I’ll definitely try this

[@maxstepaniuk4355]

Those defects on the wall made me wipe my screen several times

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Yeah one day there will be a set of nice cabinets back there.

[@maxstepaniuk4355]

@@leejohnson3959 Now i have holes in my screen, same as on the wall☺

[@agnostic47]

Ha Ha. I keep scrolling up because I think a pixel has gone out.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

agnostic47 I could film in 720 again 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Waltham1892]

Another lesson from the school of Hard Nocks.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

🤘

[@stuartwolf9249]

Brilliant and informative video's. Really very helpful.I would like to ask about bare shaft tuning. Do the bare shafts always have to match the arrows you are shooting, i.e length, spine, tip weight? If you shorten your shafts to make them stiffer for example do you also modify the bareshafts?? Kind rgds Stu

[@roost4u]

Hey Jake, I just replaced my epic stick on arrow rest because I installed the old one too low. Now my plunger is touching the side of the arrow like it should but now I'm hitting the target 5 inches higher. Do I need to change my knocking point or just walk further down the string? Currently at 18 meters I'm walking down 1 1/8". It seems I'll need to walk down another half inch in order to shoot center. The top of my lower knocking point is 1/32" below the rest height. Thanks for all your help. You rock!

[@everwill6088]

Does it matter whether u use a knife or a pair of scissors on tied nocking point? How big differences will there be?

[@adamh1497]

Hi Jake ... I have nocking point really low ,but my arrows go down ,even if my bottom tiller is 0.6 -0.8mm smaller... Have aby idea why ? Bad finger pressure can cause this? I dont have more ideas 🙄😒

[@beachboardfan9544]

Why does finger placement change if you're shooting a bare bow?

[@ddeboy002]

why do you have different tiller from top to bottom? What does that do?

[@joshuagtrx]

How do you like the bow tech trainer?

[@user-td2xw7mm7k]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@garymickus6412]

What is your opinion on “tuning for tens” and the Easton Tuning Guide.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

The easton tuning guide is from the 80s and could use some updating. Haven’t read the tuning for tens. However I believe there is good principals in it, not sure on the methods to arrive there as I haven’t read it. Releasing my own tuning book and methodology shortly.

[@mhenschi]

Hi Jake, what a timing for this tutorial... I had just ordered my first set of Beiter nocks, which arrived yesterday. Watched your video last night. Heard your comment about the higher nocking point for Beiter nocks. Without that information from you I would have really been wondering today about what is going on with my form (never would have guessed that a nock can have so much influence). I had to raise my nocking point 1/4"!! What puzzles me is that I'm a barebow shooter with 3 under, however, I'm only crawling 1/2" below the nock for 18m indoor with my setup. So what I'm really wondering about is that the asymetrical nock should actually be made for hooking below the nock with a 3 under hook. Do you see any drawbacks in having to shoot with a higher nocking point caused by using those nocks? There's quite a lot of pros (barebow or recurve) shooting them as far as I know. BR Michael P.S. Thank you VERY much for all the info you're putting out!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Good to hear. I’ll talk eventually about the nocks and why to choose different types. Quick run down is the top Olympic shooters use the beiter out nocks a lot on the easton X10 shafts because they do keep the forgiveness up a lot. However if you look at the nock wrong you’ll robinhood your arrow and your average consumer can’t afford that to happen.

[@mhenschi]

​@@JakeKaminskiArchery Looking forward to hearing more about this. However, could you please give me a quick comment on "Do you see any drawbacks in having to shoot with a higher nocking point caused by using those nocks? " Also, I was surprised that I experienced having to raise nocking height, as I'm shooting 3 under. Your argument was that the "modern" way of hooking makes the arrow sit between the nock points almost symmetrical and that this is actually the reason why the asymetrical Beiter nock causes the nocking point to need to be raised. In my 3 under hooking the arrrow is pretty much sitting on the string asymmetrically, at least as much as compared to olympic style (I think you say old school) hook, where the bottom fingers have most weight/pull.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

mhenschi it’s not needing a higher nocking point because of a modern hook, it’s needing a higher nocking point due to the shape of the nock. So regardless of the hook you will need a higher nocking point with the beiter nock.

[@mhenschi]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks for clarifying. So the nock style actually would suit 3under hooking perfectly but it comes along with needing a higher nocking point. This again brings me to this question "Do you see any drawbacks in having to shoot with a higher nocking point caused by using those nocks?" Is there a trade-off, something like nock point needing to be very high (what you experienced), which causes a draw back which is worse than the benefit the asymetrical nock brings with it.

[@mhenschi]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Hi Jake, I would really very much like to hear your input on the question: "Do you see any drawbacks in having to shoot with a higher nocking point caused by using those asymmetric Beiter nocks? Is there a trade-off, something like nock point needing to be very high (what you experienced), which causes a draw back which is worse than the benefit the asymetrical nock brings with it." You said you stopped shooting them because you found your nocking point "ridiculously" high. So you must have seen a draw back in your case, since I don't believe you made that choice just because the nock point LOOKED very high.

[@BlasterKotakatik]

Hey its that green ring thingy from your 3D printer behind you. What's your plan with it?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Barebow stuff.

[@yewahkem]

So beiter asymmetrical should be the right choice for three-under / stringwalking then given the description?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Possibly, What do the top string walkers shoot?

[@yewahkem]

Jake Kaminski - checked with handful of top Swedish barebow shooters and half were shooting the beiter asymmetric. So definitely in use there.

[@朱鹭楼远晖]

Hi Jake, I shoot barebow three under and a fixed string walk of one finger's width. Does this kind make the Beiter knock fit me better than the conventional symmetrical ones? Thanks.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Potentially. You’d have to look at the top tier BB shooters and see what they all shoot.

[@shellyott7331]

🌈‼this

[@Haveaniceday80]

Do you know some about target panic?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Yeah ill put up a video on that eventually.

[@osmansalem]

Hi Jake We need video on aiming

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

In the pipeline.

[@osmansalem]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery what's do u mean?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Coming soon

[@cszechai]

Thank you for the video. Have you ever used a Beiter nocking point before? What are your thoughts on those?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Yes I have. I liked them. A bit of a pain to adjust and once you move them they loosen up so you have to pay attention. Overall I liked them.

[@daniamani5528]

I adjusted the nocking point according to the tune, but for some reason it affected my shooting. Any particular reason why?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Need a bit more info to guess. How did it affect it?

[@daniamani5528]

Jake Kaminski not quite sure, my technique seemed fine but during release it felt like a mess

[@daniamani5528]

Jake Kaminski using beiter nocks with the modern hook

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

How much was it off that you had to move it?

[@daniamani5528]

By 5 increments up in imperial

[@jalandavis]

Great video. You should consider shaving though, I think it would suit you better

[@osmansalem]

How to identify exactly nocking point, based on which line

[@osmansalem]

What I meant on the Tsquare

[@Xtreme_Airgun_Slugs]

How do I nock my recurve with an L ruler while using a whisker biscuit?

[@darrenmcdougall4426]

Captions are off again bud 😛

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

give it a bit of time, nothing I can control. should be there eventually.

[@darrenmcdougall4426]

I hear ya, it's just with the anchor vid there's still none available and I'm itching to watch it 😛 but I understand it could be a different technical problem from one vid to another - I'm not down with the KZbin tech for captions as ya know, in my head it's just an on/off switch which is probably not how it works 😛

[@eltgima]

Hi, it would be great if during your video recordings a separate microphone could be fixed close to your mouth. Your room acoustics is terrible and echoes are really annoying. Please invest a little bit four your followers :)

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Already ahead of you. I recorded these videos where I am wearing this red shirt, after this one I will have much better sound quality. I’m also working on acoustic panels as well. Funds are tight and I am also working on a way to supplement funds to afford more to make the experience better.

[@eltgima]

Jake Kaminski just in case of low budget this example could be taken as an option, but requires some time of course: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnKlp4eNiN2Cm9U

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Yep, that was my plan. Saw that video not that long ago

[@CS-uc2oh]

You're talking way over the target audience level for this type of video.

[@grainneo1841]

Can you put your bows on a chronograph, to get hard evidence of what the brass knocks take away from speed versus a dental floss knock? I really like your Channel but this seems like anecdotal information. Would it be possible to demonstrate what speed we lose if we use brass versus a tied knot?

[@Alan_Edwards]

Great detailed explanation, but I did not hear anything about what a good starting point for the nock is? I have heard 1/8th inch as as much as a 1/4".

[@ARABARCHERYTV]

In the minute 3:38 you said it work with compound to have the mocking point at 0 angle with the string but i think no it doesn't work even the compound can be little high is depending of the archer release and other tuning of the bow

[@Branthroc]

Hi Jake. Thanks for the great content. I was wondering what brand of nock you would recommend? I currently shoot beiter, but this viseo has made me curious to try a different brand. TIA

[@stevearce1498]

Jake is Awesome! 🙏🏽

[@076588rgn]

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[@msrvfx]

Thank you for this Jake. Now that you do BareBow, which nocking points do you recommend? I can imagine with the changing string angle w/ string walking you’d need a wider nocking slot. That would seem like a moveable nocking point would be good. At least until you discover the required width.

[@robertjennings9823]

appreciate the education. I'm shooting barebow and have a slightly higher nocking point, paper tunes well. Had considered adjusting tiller to make it even.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I wouldn’t recommend paper tuning with a recurve. I’ll cover a video as to why eventually.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

But maybe that’s a trick for barebow?

[@robertjennings9823]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery seems to be the norm for barebow. Rick Stonebraker wrote tuning for Tens for barebow, used several times with great success. Would like to hear your reasoning though.

[@jdsalinger73]

Imagine native Americans watching this video. 😄 Nah, I love the super deep analysis. Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@philipsturtivant9385]

Here I go again. I've gotten no further than 3:40 and - guess what - this video is going on my wish list for the "Things newbies need to know, but nobody tells 'em" Kaminski mix. It's got bow square and how to use it right, it's got tied nocking points (not brass - who knew!?) and it's got "straight line push = bad idea" Boy did I waste a lot of time shooting without understanding any of this.

[@gojuadorai]

@Jake Kaminski weird question: what would have happened if youd just used the beiter knocks upside down? could that have maybe normalized your knocking point?

[@maximostrovskiy1986]

Hi, Jake) Thanks for doing it. All archers I know in my area use your channel for tuning and form things)

[@bradhaines5711]

Brilliant video. You are a legend and extremely helpful. Thanks mate.

[@dalepaladin916]

Ok, you lost me as soon as you pulled out a bow square, which I have no idea what it is...

[@GatorsRock01]

Where can I buy bare shafts?

[@leroybenjamin]

no subtitle?

[@jrreid24]

Thanks

[@scamperstephen4811]

Thumbs up mate

[@Gorkilein]

Ahhh FINALLY someone that explained the reason why the nocking point has to be higher! I got basically 20 different reasons calling shops, Archery clubs, Arrow makers and so on. Archers Paradox, Limbs, don't need to.... Even to me as a beginner the reasons told to me clearly were complete bullshit...

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Glad to be here with helpful advice.

[@kalumeet1]

Do you know, that there are Beiter nocks which are straight for your style and for compound too?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Yep. But no recurve shooters use them. Well not typically

[@agnostic47]

Another good one from Jake. In 10 minutes you get (almost) 10 minutes of good stuff. Most other videos you get maybe 3 out of 10.

[@roydoorenspleet1548]

Hi Jake If my fletched arrows land 1/2 to 1 " above my bareshafts in the gold at 18m as I understand it my nockingpoint is too high but by how much? If it is a very small amount would it not be easier to tweak the tiller a smidge?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

It sounds super close. If your rest can move I’d just bump that.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Otherwise tiller can be used. I’ve done it to Prevent retying my nocking points. Haha

[@roydoorenspleet1548]

Thanks ! I thought perhaps it was a stupid idea but I'd put it out there anyways lol.. But hmm the rest - spigarelli z/t revolution bow version - I can tweak that a little too.. Rests can be a definate influence.. Friday night at the club I noticed a fellow on the line barebowing mediterranean style and heard a little rattle every time he loosed. Magnetic style rest like mine - he said it was just hitting the riser but it sounded off to me. Took out my toolkit n walked over. Rest's arm axle nuts in the block were loosish. Arm had too much play up and down at its tip. Tightened those up as much as I dared - no idea how old the thing was and did not want to end up stripping the thread. But less play.. Did not hear the rattle when he loosed anymore. And he got back to me later after the club match and said his score was better ^^

[@SaneAsylum]

Would you recommend a neutral nocking point with a two finger tab (or a mechanical release for that matter)?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Mechanical release, yes. Fingers? Depends on what the bare shaft says.