Eve Online - Let's Talk About ISK/Hour

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@wolfiesenpai_2291 4 ай бұрын

I've been playing eve for about 6 months, and I've really been avoiding that isk per hour mindset. I skilled into a bunch of different things so I can rotate between different types of tasks as I feel. My friends are scared off from eve because all they see are those content creators who drill isk/hr and meta. So I been trying to show them we can do whatever we feel like really.

@dag_of_the_west5416 3 ай бұрын

My experience is that as soon as you get expert at an activity and really like it then CCP will either nerf it or eliminate it. It is much better to diversify your skills, try new things, and eventually it will pay off and you won't get burnt out.

@jenHry-ng3pw 4 ай бұрын

It is an interesting topic overall. Some people treat games veri seriously. They want to be efficient. They want to be better than others. They think they need to specialize in one game and be really focused. Their identity is tied to "success" in the game. The they grind or train to a point they hate playing, themselves etc. They treat it like a job, without being paid for it or recognized because of it. It is a game. The only purpose of games is to have fun or to learn something useful. Play when you feel like playing. Do something else when not. Play something different if you get bored. Games are a way to explore new worlds, new interactions with other people, new roles. It is not your job.

@Will-W 2 ай бұрын

When I was poor, I went and ran incursions to plex. They were fun group activities. It was great prep for flying in fleets. Learned Logi, Anchoring, Fleetwarping, Focusing DPS, target broadcasing, dronebunny, and make lots of ISK and LoyaltyPoints. Learned to multbox VG incursions by myself, links, logi, domi drone bunnies. At the end of the day though, fights in null were more fun. (always had mining alts in null) but the mains were fun flying in pew pew fleets. If you can afford it, buy your omega time and then the stress of plexing goes away. (have enjoyed your series, i'm getting back into eve after being gone for 5 years or so)

@Gamerznation704 Ай бұрын

Something faction warfare taught me, was I just need enough to buy another shp. After that when I moved on to other activities I took that to heart for everything because at the end of the day whether its hauling with a freighter, exploring with a fancy shipped / blinged out pod It costs isk but if I already have enough to replace it I don't really need much else. I took a mentality of never having too much isk in the wallet but (like you) making sure I had the assets needed to do the activity. I also did industry, but because it wasn't the sole activity I was doing I didn't neccesarily have to worry about the loss that I did build items off of due to the fact that I was mainly doing FW and the LP that I was getting more and that more than enough paid for any loss I suffered from Industry. I enjoyed what I did with industry, and still enjoy some hacking / operation site running in faction warfare so it helps in regards to *burnout* because I actually enjoy the actions ingame.

@deydraniasmith615 4 ай бұрын

I'd rather spend $10 and buy 2 billion ISK and then mine without stressing about money. That's my jam. One month into the game and I'm flying a skiff fitted with T2 tech and I spend my day ice mining or sitting in an asteroid field. Then, when real life gets in the way (I play maybe 1 to 3 hours a day), I dock and log off.

@douglasharbert3340 4 ай бұрын

I'd rather just work for an hour at pretty much any job on the planet, buy PLEX, sell iit for billions, and not have to grind...

@GramTylkoSobie 3 ай бұрын

Then why even play the game tho?

@douglasharbert3340 3 ай бұрын

@@GramTylkoSobie Because that allows me to actually play the game and not have to grind. I already have a job. I'm not about to turn EVE in a second one.

@GramTylkoSobie 3 ай бұрын

@@douglasharbert3340 Yeah but you play eve to make isk, don't you? Like where is ur logic bro? XD

@EverythingGaming653 3 ай бұрын

@@GramTylkoSobie maybe he wants to enjoy it more and be able to pvp without being as worried if he looses his ship

@roberthiggins8234 3 ай бұрын

@@GramTylkoSobie some people play eve to make isk. But most have an idea of 'fun'. They grind isk with the purpose to fund that 'fun'. IE pvp.

@PingWhisper 4 ай бұрын

Isk/hr has hurt EVE so bad. Its viewed as a job, and not even a game.

@ickebins6948 4 ай бұрын

Nobody is forcing anybody to play for max isk/h ... If you're having fun and making great isk, where is the problem? For some it is the "fun" to max their profits, nothing wrong with that.

@ickebins6948 4 ай бұрын

@@PingWhisper And I say it's not a job... If you don't plan on paying your account with plex, there is no need to push for max isk/hr...

@Dawndreams174 4 ай бұрын

@@PingWhisper I just don't know how else to efficiently progress as a new player when fitting a moa even is breaking the bank if I don't follow guides and do something like punisher abyssal content.

@TomMcahoy 4 ай бұрын

It's always been around, at least since 2010

@GramTylkoSobie 3 ай бұрын

@@ickebins6948 Exactly, I think the same... If you enjoy something at eve playing keep doing it, and these who chase best isk/h they used to be like that, they are like that and they will be like that because their look for highest isk/h for time spent inside, I dont like to grind that much but I need to be able to buy ships for PvP, and if I go isk making I am looking for HIGHEST ISK/H personally.

@theamazingwesbrown3290 25 күн бұрын

ISK is an end unto itself rather than a means to an end which is the primary reason that as a player my motivation to invest time and money into the game has been low from the get-go. In other MMOs that I have played and just other games in general, I wanted to earn gold/credits or whatever because of what that could buy me towards a goal of system defined progression through levels, skills, gear, etc. This is the first one I've played that just sort of puts it out there as the only goal to speak of which defeats the purpose of a game and makes it seem a little too much like work.

@VitalijMik 4 ай бұрын

isk/hr is usually theoritcal as well . let say Wormhole Ratting, you have to scan a wormhole, you have to roll them if thei are bad, you have to roll the wormholes inside a good wormhole and then you can start ratting. player usually measure the time when they warp in and warp out but the preparation time for it is not considered. same goes for Gas Huffing, Ice Mining and so on. its not like you have 1 hour spare time and you dock out of station and beginn with the activity. i think there are only few things which can be measured, mining ores, null sec ratting and abyssal.

@MemeNiceMan 3 ай бұрын

@@VitalijMik I got into an argument with a corp mate about this, he was saying new players can earn lots of isk easily as explo is 100m/hr, I've spent months living in wormholes doing explo and it absolutely isn't 100m/hr or close to that, but you can get lucky sometimes

@VitalijMik 3 ай бұрын

@@MemeNiceMan yeah you can play like for 4 hours, have a container scanner eqipped skip all data, gas sites jump into relic sites only and skip everyting below 1m value. you also need to be within a wormhole at start not a high/low sec. but it is not sustainable its just theoretical. if you count in superior sites then it is even 1B/h (if you find high grade omega pb) :D

@moonlander03 4 ай бұрын

Thnx for the info mate and I agree with you 1000%.. I bought a raven in a contract for 100 mill fitten, now the raven itself is up to 400 mill alone..

@dikferrari1396 3 ай бұрын

A healthy balance between activity that give u isk in order to fund fun activities.

@paragondega 3 ай бұрын

I wish EO had something similar to EEs anomaly system. It made it so easy as a basic ratter to make a decent amount of isk without to much hassle and it was great for drop in drop out play. The closest things in EO i know of are either FW sites or Incursions which are more long term time investments. I get though that it would probably break EO if something like that was added to the game.

@m.atthiash 4 ай бұрын

Sometimes it is also fun to grind for some time. Can be a no brainer and a good time, too. But in general enjoyment is way more important than the isk/hour thing.

3 ай бұрын

I agree, I think the ISK per hour will just lead to burn out. Nice video, good idea investing in assets. That's actually a good idea that I never really thought of, I am just sitting on ISK maybe I will try to find something to invest it in and see if I can make my ISK do something like grow larger :) good video sir!

@Fonsecaj89 4 ай бұрын

I started few days ago and paying real money (super expensive) to improve in the game doesn’t make sense if the skill use time to complete. I also got extorted in a low sec system, I received 1m to let him kill me, or pay 5m to him to allow me to mine. Now my purpose is to get rid of this pirates

@TanteLaurana 3 ай бұрын

that's hilarious! welcome to EVE :D

@josephkuhl3105 3 ай бұрын

ive been running l4s and pirate escalations from highsec after gaining close to 2 billion in 2 days i realised i was spending a huge amount of time doing activities that i find really boring. so i bought a kikimora, and just went ratting and pvping in highsec. i ended up losing a few ships but still made it out with about 100mil gain for the day. which might be pennies but it was totally worth the loss in income to just remind myself why i play eve

@unwantedspirt 2 ай бұрын

good video, and I fully agree, I do a lot of mining in eve, I like to mine, but mining gives the income that helps me slowly explore the rest of the game, I know I can make that 100 mil ISK in a hour, I have done it, but its not fun, i rather take it slow, and enjoy the game,

@Dawndreams174 4 ай бұрын

I just do not really know as a new player how to establish myself. Imo the isk/hr metric isnt end all to be all but provides some guidance for me on how to get the starting capital to do things in eve. I don't have the assets to do much right now ingame so something like looking at abyssal rates helps me even get into a ship im skilling towards.

@ickebins6948 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for you sharing you views! New players have no clue of what is out there or how to make decent isk. It's not about plexing your account but making some isk for new ships and playstyles. But isk/h is an easy way to see what you could do. It's the first incentive to try something different... nothing more. I've been playing since 2009 and only this year started with Abyssals... It's fun and a new challenge that's the most important part, the fact that you can make good money is a great bonus.

@Amir-yh5gu 4 ай бұрын

I do exploring in null as alpha can get about 500M to 1B in a weak.

@mikspurins1455 4 ай бұрын

@@Amir-yh5gu Explo is deffo my most suggested activity for newbros. Super cheap and easy to get into, great profits to be had, if you get even slightly lucky. Also the single best occupation to learn various game mechanics that will keep you safe. WH/Null diving netted me my first billions, at the cost of a few dozen cheap herons... 10/10 recommend.

@Murto84 4 ай бұрын

99% of the time you're better off worrying about Fun per Hour. ISK comes naturally doing almost any activity and a lot of activities pay decently well if you know what you're doing. I made a new account just last week and was shocked how easy it was to hit his first 50mil compared to the old days.

@Dawndreams174 4 ай бұрын

what did you end up doing if i can ask

@mikspurins1455 4 ай бұрын

@@Dawndreams174 New players can do pretty much anything, and get rewards from the AIR career program. Including SP. It's honestly not funny, how quickly an Alpha can max out their SP, compared to the past, without ever getting any good with any activity. Add to that daily tasks, and SP farming has never been as easy.

@zzzzzzzzzzzzzz1984 4 ай бұрын

i think isk/hr is a good metric to measure your efficiency at an activity that you can chain, incursions are a perfect example of such an activity, running a bunch of c3 wh anoms, but now a days i look at how much isk i made for the month, stack it all up and then take it to market and sell it off, look at the bottom line after buying plex to keep the omega light on.

@Meta_Gryphon 4 ай бұрын

I have never made 100 millions ISK/hour on the 3 activities you mentioned: Explo, mining or rating. From 18 to 30 millions isk max when super lucky.

@bigdickMcgill 3 ай бұрын

sounds like you need to leave HS

@rubyleopard 4 ай бұрын

isk/hr ends up being another symptom of people min/maxing the game generally. the way people approach the game, it's not even worth playing unless you have trained level 3/4 in X skill. (I saw this advice being given out today in a trade hub regarding whether it was worth doing exploration.) More than the complexity of EVE, people having this min/max attitude drives people away. If you're not using the current optimized fit for a given activity, then you're treated like an idiot. people really love explaining why they are right about doing an activity a certain way with a certain ship and then overexplaining to you why you need to do things their way

@R0bstar-YT 4 ай бұрын

I don't think the game is about ISK/hr. I think people believe that because they don't have any long term goals in the game. Amassing ISK is a new player trap because they don't really know what to spend their ISK on. The key is to find activities that you enjoy that will in turn net you ISK to support those activities. Most veterans have multiple income streams that usually stem from a high upfront investment of ISK and SP, but aren't necessarily grindy in nature but still have a high return. To achieve this (if that's what you want) you have to see the bigger picture and think in the long term.

@Hinterfragealles-zu3vn 4 ай бұрын

I do mining/ratting and exploration. If you focus on just one thing, it gets boring and feels like a job pretty quick. And isk per hour doesn't matter to me. I'll fo the thing that is the most fun for me.

@MemeNiceMan 4 ай бұрын

I think isk/hr is for newer players who don't have the SP, ships or general resources to do the things they actually want to do, so they focus on isk/hr because they want to earn enough to fly ships or do activities that are actually enjoyable without pandering to the predatory mobile games monetisation the game uses

@Fonsecaj89 4 ай бұрын

Doing the tutorial and agent mission makes you a good money, I also had to buy the venture and heron at least 3 times and didn’t go bankrupt.

@MemeNiceMan 3 ай бұрын

@@Fonsecaj89 wut? Heron and venture is cheap, venture won't make you any money other than gas huffing which has a stupidly expensive skill book plus new players will struggle with the mechanics, heron can make some money but it's very inconsistent

@bigdickMcgill 3 ай бұрын

@@MemeNiceMan WTF are you on about the book is 30mil which is one haul of a venture from the shittest gas site, All you do is orbit , scan and afk what is there to struggle with? Truth in it i make an avg of 100bil a year and it makes me the top 1% so that means most people in eve lie about isk a hour and how much they really have. Most people are stupid

@MrOphiel 4 ай бұрын

r u mining in pochven with aqn orca? :D

@Darren-vf2qw 4 ай бұрын

Totally agree. Grind can ruin a game. Love your EVE videos, and mine solo for fun and enjoyment.

@jheg96 3 ай бұрын

Hold up, rally points can’t put out 100m per hour can they?

@JAKEL33T 3 ай бұрын

I was speaking hypothetically, but It's less about the rally points. It's more about framing the escalations, TRCs drop 19th tier worth around 51m.

@Lolivve 4 ай бұрын

So agree with you

@masserphi2534 4 ай бұрын

I live the life of a solo space pirate , I enjoy every minute of the life and have for years , some nights .... I make zero Isk per hour.......... BUT SOME NIGHTS I make 10B isk/hr lmao and those nights are worth every second of the wait and great to remember when your having trouble finding VIP targets or on a cold streak . I title my really good hauler kill replays " Make (4) bil in 3 mins" and only those titled videos get over 1k views lmao

@harshbarj 4 ай бұрын

I ended up quitting eve just because my corp was so focused on ISK/hr that the game was no longer fun. I simply wanted to go out and get belt rats in nullsec (out in Branch). Yes there were other things I could do to earn more, and also earn more ISK for my corp. But it was not enjoyable.