Whoppy Killed Phillup | Death explained

[@RudolphRhone]

Alas! Finally, clarification has been done. Growing up in Jamaica in the sixties the name Whoopy King was a common story time tale, but it was handed down to us 😮 as Whoppy Kin, rather than Whoppy King. So thanks for the clarification and deep dive into these interesting people, places and things! Keep up the historical good work Sir! Thanks, and keep safe!

[@elgranjero2284]

Thanks for the history lesson on Whoppy King. I've always heard that name or the idiomatic expression "when Whoppy killed Phillup." I also watched your historical take on Delroy Wilson and found it quite informative. There is just one thing I find a bit distasteful in your narration though, and that is your categorization of Whoppy as " a dirty locks Rasta man." I take offence with that reference because it comes off as derogatory and scornful. You could've easily said: A man with dirty locks,, stained teeth and unkempt hair. My father, for the last 35 years of his life, was a Rastafarian who - through his work as an engineer - was a respectable productive member of the Jamaican society. I find that many Jamaicans do look down upon people with locks with a superiority complex. My father, like all true rastas, had a great ideology on life, religion, morality, deportment, and family values which were all entrenched in the teachings of His Majesty. Sir, if there is any way possible please edit out the word "Rasta" from your narration. I am not of the Rasta faith as my father was but I have great respect for the people who categorize themselves as Rastas, and Whoppy King does not belong in that sub-group as my father and the many thousand people throughout the world who class themselves as Rastas. Blessings

[@JamaicanChapter]

The description is specifically pointed to Whoppy King alone and does not refer to the entire Rastafarian community. (The Gleaner at the time described him as a Rasta).

[@elgranjero2284]

@@JamaicanChapter Bredrin, in those times (the 1950's) Jamaica was under white, British rule and most things that were put out in the Gleaner and over Radiogram were controlled by a white ruling class. The narrative back then was skewed towards the British. Blacks (along with Chinese & Indians) were second class citizens. Rastafari which begun its movement in the 1930's (and given some strength by Leonard Howell, Joseph Hibbert, Archibald Dunkley & Marcus Garvey), was looked upon as the lowest of the lowest. Here now, in the 21st Century we should be careful how we talk about ourselves, our culture, and our sub-cultures. Whoppy King, with his locks etc., and criminal ways was obviously not a man of high moral character but we should be careful how we characterize him in reference to a group of people who have given yeoman service at the highest levels of society. Let's repudiate and relinquish old colonial terminologies that served only to put us down.

[@jasminsimpson1324]

Well said!!👏

[@patriciamccalla5300]

Well said, Jamaicans have a bad habit of calling anyone with locks Rasta. They need to stop call Rasta duty Rasta.

[@orvillethompson9351]

You are theorizing what happened

[@georgeedwards9374]

Thank you for the enlightment on that story of Whoppy. In the future, can you please tell us about Ryggin,Mospan and Goldstine. The were outlaws extraordinary in the fifties i believe. Looking forward with great expection. Thank you for your timely discourse on the Whoppy subject. Done with good clarity and explanation.

[@bluehibiscus502]

Wow! Who knew Whoppy & Phillup were real people.

[@Nyameanah]

I thought Whoppy and Philup represented million years or old as dinosaurs 😮😮.

[@jay-sean424]

​@empresspaula-mae I thought it was just a folklore

[@olgamartin5884]

​Every bed time story is also real they tell it like parable just like Jack and the Bean stalk Bredda Annancy and Tucomba Cinderella Harry Potter the Prince and the Pauper just to name a few all of them are real

[@nerdknowledgeunlimited6023]

I thought it was just urban legend LOL.

[@vivienneforrester5578]

Really​@@Nyameanah

[@Mushroom-z6f]

My bro keep doing things the want you're doing it, don't matter the good you do there's always someone who will see you and your work or works as being not enough or no good. You who is telling the man to speak faster please leave the man alone stop listening to the channel if it doesn't suits you

[@rafftafari7332]

Whoopy King wasn't a rastaman, he was just a bearded-man.

[@rdboy3681]

Subscribed. Thanks, bro for your efforts. Love the history.

[@allanvickers3501]

I still don't understand how the phrase Wholly kill Phillup came about. Who the heck was Phillup?

[@JamaicanChapter]

Sydney Garel's petname was supposedly Phillip.

[@AckeeEater.]

Watch the video again. --Æ.

[@elgranjero2284]

Apparently he is implying that Garel's nickname was Phillup.

[@dannysinclair5089]

That's the nickname of the same man he killed.

[@456loveluck]

Good thing I found it Cause my mom always said that term 😂, not many times Sometimes 🗣️🤔❓

[@christineh322]

Be mindful of your audience and refrain from using outdated, stereotypical, derogatory language and description when referring to Rastas! As others have stated not everyone with locs are Rastas. Such language is extremely offensive and conjures up memories of the 'Blackheart Man' era as described in Bunny Wailer's song of that title. True Rastas are far from dirty!!

[@markspringer716]

The description and references of said man was no different from a real Rasta in those days. He was reading the printed narrative. It's just a reminder of the raw uncensored scorn of the day. The narrator had no imput.

[@skygawd5609]

Just made this exact same comment but I think it’s the Christian blood in him he cannot help himself 😂

[@karennotice3563]

I believe he's referring to the way Jamaicans referenced to Rasta back then not now

[@dorinemckenzie-samuda806]

I think the young lady in this story bite whoppy King And that's how she was able to ID him as, he had trim to look different

[@Michel-7.7.7]

Why do i get the vibes you fit the description of a white liberal middleclass woman?

[@bollockchop501]

Because a man has dreadlocks doesn’t make him Rasta, true rastaman would not commit these crimes,be more careful in your choice of words

[@dannysinclair5089]

Thank you..

[@markspringer716]

Oonu think Rasta a oonu Jesus ? Lol 😂😂😂

[@nyabinghinyabinghirealms9433]

​@markspringer716 u choose a white man to be ur god rasta choose a black king...Jesus the ship that brought you to Jamaica into slavery and now ur praising the same idol that they use to put us in slavery so stupid so dumb u all praising a white man for ir god...

[@richardcalbut3927]

Was about to enjoy the sort imagine identified a dread as a Rastaman, smh. It's really ignorance, Blessings for your standing against any slaughtering.

[@whitehallavenue1752]

​@markspringer716 Juvenile

[@byronbanner2298]

Very informative keep up the good work

[@carolb.6350]

Thank you for sharing this story with us.

[@romarioergie]

Really appreciate this video. Growing up you always hear the saying but never an explanation. Keep up the great work!

[@coolgirlb7665]

I did not know they were real people. Thank you for that info. Keep up the great work.

[@jayyvngblud3110]

Big up jamaica chapter nigel for those interested information and may god bless u and continue to the good works🙏🙏🙏

[@marvinwright7656]

“Creeping up on the couple was a dirty locks Rasta man..” 😂😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️☠️ ayooo that made me laugh out loud!! Love your channel on these old Jamaican gangsters! Respect form the UK 🇬🇧

[@cliveparkinson5630]

And them no tell you about dirty ball head whey nam woman business like food and stick them business in a man back part. Go laugh about that freaky one.

[@richardgregory2349]

can you state how the name phillup came about

[@jeffcee9457]

Thanks for sharing the starting was sad but it make up in the end with the rope around di Rasta man

[@sidneyreid1366]

Blogger i love the music u played in the background at the beginning of this video. U should have played it all through the video.😅

[@carolyndarley1045]

This story has traveled so far and wide, I thought it was an old story from the 1800s! My maternal fam came from Jamaica to Panama to work on building the Canal, then on to the US. My father's side came from St Elizabeth to NY, and I have cousins in England. That's 4 countries ppl and it is widely repeated in all of them! Even more so than the favorite rhyme; Children Children, yes mama! Does anyone know the background story of that? Write down below if u do.

[@oliverose3465]

Thank you for explaining about Woppy King

[@musicmind7846]

that was a dread my lord, not a rasta man, u dig??

[@kamkam4571]

Fi real, caz Rasta clean and take pride inna dem teet wid dem chew stick n cane.

[@BrianJbyfield]

Rasta man only deal with love peace and harmony ras redman say so one love to all man women and youths bless up

[@byronneedle-xp3oy]

Very interesting I always hear about wappy killing pillop I am going watch more of your videos thanks again for sharing these interesting stories

[@blackjarokat]

Thanks for the story always heard the saying but never the backstory. Did subscribe bless up

[@yvonnegrant3659]

Thanks for all this info , I always hear my mom talking about it!!

[@paulogee6220]

Love the background music bredda, real doo wop era in badmanism. 😅😅😅

[@antoinettethompson1159]

Thank you so much for this history lesson. Please could you please find Gregory Isaac'.Thank you

[@drtonyfearon7318]

Thanks for info. The old timers always mention woppy king.

[@juniorbrown5904]

Just like the song "Stagger Lee", everyone makes up their own version of it. Whappy King has its tale also, just for amusement sake. The killing in Jamaica by Wappy King had happen but stories are always set by contest to see who can deliver the juiciest of versions. When the Judge asked Wappy if he did it, Wappy's reply was, "If YOU say so." He didn't care to defend himself, he left his life in the hand of the Judge. To be exact, in Potois, his reply was, " If yuh seh suh 'D"!!! "D" or "Dee" was a popular saying at the time. It was a popular, slang, style or Suffix. "D" means Dear etc. Just like Doc or Mr. T. or Ms. B. etc. This is from what I had heard. These are like nighttime stories around a fire or something of that sort, just to lively up the night. Everyone likes hearing spicy stories, so who can spice it more will get a good listening audience.

[@djcashmix]

'From Whappie kill Phillup, de pot deh pan de fire, an' it nuh cook yet? lol

[@normanbrown9225]

Thanks for the Info I have been looking for info on Wholly, I as 7 years old Kingston Ja.❤

[@normanbrown9225]

Whoppy king is what I was saying and in 1951 I was 7 years Old, Kingston Ja.

[@racquelvibestv]

Thanks for the info

[@donone7686]

I have been hearing the saying from Whoopy king kill Phillip from I'm a boy and its the first I know what its about lol

[@kayziacoutureclothing4035]

😂😂😂 me too

[@matthewreid6240]

I have been hearing about these two characters from i was a child many years ago, i thought it was just a mythical folk phrase didn't know there was a real story to it, a friend of my father, from a place call lime hall in saint Ann always use that phrase regularly,pastor cameron, thank you nigel for highlighting this story very historical event even though sad.

[@MC-mv2wr]

Love it that there are almost 50 k views on this fella. This story brings memories of my late father of the1955 windrush generation. The 1st time I heard the name/story of Whoppy King was my father recollecion who was (32yr old) in Kingston the day the JA police wasnt playing while urgently rounding up every bearded dread for interogation for the wicked murder of the fiance and rape with attempted murder of his pretty part chinee girlfriend. My father a strong supportar of the death penalty and like many of 1st time windrush always said at the time he dont like no bearded man with his reason being WHOPPY KING. Something else not spoken about so much, this crime fired up a lot of emotion I can only imagine that some poor innocent dreads that day had busted heads.. Great crime story. 👍👏

[@marklynbarnett4494]

Who is phillup

[@justicedagreat]

So who the hell is Phillup?

[@jehovahrohi969]

Just a normal person that was being killed no special person.

[@LeTheeman]

This is an accurate report from what I heard, now some might not like the truth but you are not here to sugarcoat the facts just to please any, feelings might be hurt but the truth is a solid rock, peace...

[@vinnette4583]

from i was a child i use to hear my grand parents talk about about whoppy king and Phillip up and the killing on the beach

[@jamaicavibe9200]

I dont believe you...Never heard anyone speak about a beach.

[@jehovahrohi969]

​@jamaicavibe9200 no one ask to believe just enjoy d story lol 😆.

[@jahjire5518]

Great work.

[@saulbenjamin6368]

Also gave us an update on dat old time black Jamaican character name bag o wire it would be cool to here about him lol

[@1968cageyb]

I think my mother mentioned seeing Bag-O-Wire. I will have to ask her.

[@sweetsop2938]

In this day and age we should not be referring to a person wearing locks whether for religious purposes or not as "dirty locks rasta man" poor choice of words.

[@elgranjero2284]

I totally agree. Listening to many Jamaicans you can tell that rastafari is not looked upon favourably among many people. DJ artist Stitchie demonstrated that sentiment when he did his hit song "Natty Dread....and dem deh kind of living." If we patterned our "living" more off the Rastaman we wouldn't be having so much crap in Jamaica with all these murders, a shredded moral fibre, and same sex relationships.

[@jasminsimpson1324]

Well said...it's about time we start understanding the legacy of colonialism on our people's minds and stop perpetuating the ignorance and prejudice brought about by our oppressors.

[@charmainerussell5226]

Well whoopy was one because he was a old murderer!

[@shootyboo4798]

That's a perfect discription of the man as he was at the time. It has nothing to do with describing and disrespecting a religion.

[@mandy6379]

I always heard about whoppy kill philipup from i was a child and thought it was a joke some one made up...but never knew it was a real thing....as my mother always said you live and learn.

[@asherbendavid59]

Back in that anynody with even a beard was /could be mistaken for a Ras.. weird

[@nekeishasmith4382]

Keep it up bro😢

[@RichardAllan-z2q]

You need to talk about. Maxfield sunrise.Don aka Rodigan.

[@Rapchaendz1]

Thanks fir the history !!

[@OneilBent-j9t]

Very great vlogger.

[@yaadnabroadyaadnabroad509]

Give thanks for the roots of that popular yardie expression. Give thanks for a job well done. A Luta Continua

[@andrewilliams8047]

Kmt who name Phillup????????

[@Soul_Snatch_er]

The victim's nickname

[@teah06]

In late 1969-9 Laurel Aitkin made a record called Whoppy King, kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmO1ZoR6jLWFrLM

[@MavisGriffiths-hj1to]

Background music is too loud I'm struggling to hear u over it

[@sqaddie]

Excellent choice of topic, however your delivery felt like " watching paint dry " but I'm sure you will be working on it 👍🏾

[@CeeItsMe]

Lol @ “watching paint dry”😂

[@michaelangeloo238]

This is now my 7th video watching for you and I didn't really know that there was real to this story whoppy

[@blackpild3171]

Who is Phillip??

[@claudettestewart3711]

Inteteresting, i wonder where 'Phillup' came from since the victim's name was Sidney 🤔

[@jermainemiller6750]

I never knew that this was real omg!!

[@janettebailey6275]

Thanks for that clarification

[@paddington9913]

I thought Philliup would have been mentioned in the story.

[@Ben-Ken]

I'm not a Rasta but I understand why some people don't like that Whoppy was labeled a Rastaman. He may have just been an unkempt savage. Since people didn't understand or like Rastafarians at the time, they probably just called him that.

[@delroyday8925]

What other murders was he linked to? He was only charged and convicted for one murder. And who exactly was Phillup? There was no mention that the deceased was also known as Phillup. Please explain.

[@manaman8608]

You used Phillup in the title, but made no mention of him in the story. Who was Phillup?

[@Zeddy641]

Law boss sen mi yasso

[@MasterresalerightsMRR]

I honestly did not know this was a true story!

[@judithbrown-ramanand9163]

Very interesting however I would have liked you to inform us as to the killing of Phillip which Whoppy is reputed to have done especially as the phrase is Whoppy kill Phillup NOT Garel

[@charmainewarsop688]

Speak in that manner I am interested to listen and understand

[@janoyantonio9585]

But no statement on who the phillup he killed was, the death form was on woppy. I'm confused here that did i miss

[@pvirgo9338]

Rasta man ?? fix up your talk

[@ikongchin3088]

Mi fully agree wid de I. Nuff 1s in n 1s from a certain back ground always look down pon RASTA. Now as a full grown man , mi tek offence to your wording regarding RASTA suh please watch U mouth n how U address RASTA. This is now 2023 a nuh back then when deh powas dat be had deh uppa hand regarding how we think n speak. Nuh badda wid it seen .

[@charmainerussell5226]

Whoopy was just as he described him he was a old murderer

[@dawnallen287]

Mr mind your mouth talking about dirty Rasta man , you have fashion dread, you have Rasta, both are not the same, pls don’t try to disrespect Rasta , I don’t understand what your talking about wholly kill Phillup more than disrespecting RASTA, get your act together Mr

[@JamaicanChapter]

The description is of the specific man (Whoppy King) and not of the Rastafarian community.

[@andrewcummings2416]

Them a deven dread them just locsup

[@jdfguthrie]

Yes but should differentiate because Rasta is not just anyone wearing locs. You could have gone about the story without using degrading comments about Rasta. Just don't sound good and not a good look either. I am not even rasta and I take offense. I even hate the fact that every and anyone just loc them hair without respect for the background and it's purpose. However u can't sensor man from fashion but at least u have control over your language. So just be mindful of the word and how it's used. The same u wouldn't want all black folks to be referred to as nigga or monkey.

[@lincolnsamuels9322]

So, is Sidney Garrel the same "Pillup" why the saying" whoppy kill Pillup"

[@OrlandoAnderson-pt3nb]

So who was Phillup???

[@courtneycastello7149]

So was Sydney Garrell “ Phillup?”

[@jdfguthrie]

Still dont know or what is Phillup.

[@ronmandingo1566]

Who was Phillup.

[@michaelnelson7438]

So what was so special about this murder that their names are still known to this day.

[@tdotsubway]

Is the big whopper named after Whoppy?

[@MarciaWilliams-y4d]

I thought this was a myth. I didn’t know it was for real.

[@TheWetwet]

Me too 😮

[@shandibessant59]

Me to 😮 mi caa believe a backside

[@JoanBingham-i3c]

The Death penalty should still be considered

[@Senator_B]

Why do you talk so slow like you are talking to school kids? Speed it up a little bro.

[@Mrs.T305]

Increase the speed with the settings icon in the video.

[@kingstunna7666]

​@@Mrs.T305😂

[@user-nubiangoddess]

Gosh. He has a good program here...this is how he speak. Enjoy the program

[@shaniquavybz9007]

Good story teller but It's true needs to be a bit faster

[@patrickrowe6745]

You can speed it up bro

[@Junjo11]

Nigel, can you try to find Whoppy or Phillip family they must have family alive. 1952, was not that long .

[@JamaicanChapter]

Actually, I researched the families of them both but left such information out.

[@wayniewonder8553]

So who was Phillup

[@CN-pq6wj]

Who is phillup

[@DevonBarnett-q9f]

Discrimination against Rasta have been going on from Day one, no wonder Joomayka people suspicion of Rasta is still existence even today expounded by church and state via the media

[@zillogullu33]

And fools like this ...

[@marklynbarnett4494]

What about Phillup id who

[@AckeeEater.]

Good info but the first native GG was not Florizel Glasspole; it was Clifford Campbell. I was born in 1951 so yuh done know seh me no like fe hear dat me born from when Whappy kill Philip! Grrr! --Æ.

[@JamaicanChapter]

Thanks for pointing out the error. I have since edited it out.

[@ricardobaggio4330]

Sydney garrell was philop??

[@JamaicanChapter]

Yes, indeed

[@racquelvibestv]

I never knew this was a true story

[@joscelynmiller9333]

i still dont hear who Pillup was? Cho!!

[@JamaicanChapter]

The focus of the video was on Whoppy King. But I agree that I should have gave details about Phillip (supposed petname of Sydney Garel). But the video was already made.

[@Lionking-i8k]

Pillup can be just about anyone

[@SandiSandi639]

@@JamaicanChapterbut u should have mentioned that Garel was also called Phillup 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@GanGztaGriZZle9684]

Pay attention

[@juniorbrown5904]

I thought that Philup was a woman that he had killed. I had mixed up the story with "Don Drummonds" and his girlfriend. I heard that when the Judge asked Whoppy King if he had done the killing of Phillop, his response was, " If YOU say so." But in that era, "D" or "Dear" was a regular saying or style of speaking, relating to someone. So his actual response in Jamaican photos was, " If yuh she suh "D" !!! Meaning that, he Woppy King, didn't say he did it or was guilty but will accept anything the Judge accused him of, without opposing it. He is saying that he will not defend himself even if he's innocent. I think it was a Jesus - like role he was trying to play, as if he was being punished and blamed for no reason but was willing to be sacrificed as a sheep to the slaughter. Either way it shows that he didn't care for his life and was willing to die for nothing. Even men or women that are guilty will still tell lies just to live but not Woppy King. Maybe he thinks that by accepting, it would be a pass for heaven through honesty but he still didn't admit that he did it. He told the judge clearly, that he will accept anything that the Judge accused him of, imagine??? He was actually surrendering to his punishment with a streak of acting innocent and may or would have taken a pardon if it was offered or granted to him.

[@AuthenticSelector64]

Some people call dem self Whoppy King…..disgusting

[@errgag3580]

So who was Phillups? You never mentioned

[@mrg21659]

How him know seh de man teeth stain and him mouth stink 🤔 eeeeee sah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🇯🇲❤️

[@dentonduhaney8374]

Frenched kissed

[@solomonbeckford1885]

Report on how some police officers met violence killings too!

[@raphaelgeorge6486]

It's nice to hear about this but yu make it a lot longer yu drawing out your words

[@InspirationalTeacherr]

I know that the narrator wasn’t trying to be disrespectful to rastas. I know that very well. I just wanted to let people know the difference between rastas and dreads. The word dread as it relates to locks ,was originated in England by white men who knew very little about our faith. If you refer to a real authentic Rastafarian person as a dread you would be in for some serious problems. I for instance,I don’t entertain anyone calling me a dread as I’m not dreadful. Children used to be scared of a Rastaman because they were told that he is a black heart man and when you see one you should run or call the police but now the Eastman has come a long way to emerge as the most peaceful person on earth.

[@judithwhite6148]

Who is Phillop????

[@gregoryrc3746]

I would still like to know who phillup was

[@JamaicanChapter]

Indeed. Because the focus was on Whoppy, I avoided locating the death registration forms of the other persons.

[@dean-kz9cm]

I don't hear nttn about phillup whoppy would not be popular without phillup 😢

[@sy001ch]

So who was Phillup, you haven't explained

[@skellyghosskellyghos6239]

If he died 45 ,then at least early thirties at the time of his first murder

[@christineh322]

If the narrator is reading from an original script re the description of Whoppy, then maybe a caveat explaining this would help to avoid the reactions from viewers who find it offensive.

[@shantiathompson5994]

Still don't hear anything about phillup. Who he was why he was killed or what, oh I guess that 19 year old young man was phillup