JAMES

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James 2:14-26 is not about faith needing works in order to save you eternally.
Going through verses often contested in favour of conditional security. PLEASE WAIT to start throwing the, "ya, but what about this verse" arguments out there! I'll get to them all in other videos. God bless!
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[@cokyarpen4980]

This is how I know my true brothers and sisters in Christ. I asked God for verification on this exact passage this morning and here you are explaining it perfectly 😊 if we rely on our works we are not putting our faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. What a beautiful gift thankyou Jesus . Godbless you brethren ❤

[@myflourishingfam]

Amen! God bless you!

[@PutGodfirst129]

JAMES 2:24 Faith and works, amen. Therefore, such who believe salvation was without works are in great folly …… the Bible literally says a man is NOT justified by faith alone, it yet the majority of Christianity says the exact OPPOSITE! God help us!

[@cokyarpen4980]

@@PutGodfirst129 such as believe its anything to do with their own works are not believing in Christs finished work at the cross and will therefore be judged on their own righteousness and not the righteousness of Christ who did it all for us. It's a free gift from God not of ourselves lest any man should boast. Yes we should do works but it isn't what saves us. Godbless.

[@JuliaShalomJordan]

Another great video. Thank you. God bless you.🤍

[@thedeadalgorithmmusicchann1994]

God be with you.

[@LittleAsian_]

Amen saved by grace though faith.

[@privatepilot4064]

Thank you dear Brother! Eyes on the skies! Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Acts 16:31 "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" Salvation is obtained by simply believing in Jesus' death (Blood sacrifice), burial and resurrection for payment of all your sins, past, present and future.

[@staben22]

Jesus is AWESOME

[@myflourishingfam]

Amen to that!!

[@dillxn554]

Amen!

[@frankcavaciuti5947]

Works do not save you, keep you saved, or prove that you are saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV): 'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.' Works are not the basis for salvation. Thank you. God bless you and your family. All Glory to God.

[@PutGodfirst129]

Keep reading to next verse -EPHESIANS 2:10.... The whole reason we were saved was to do good works. This is not optional either according to Paul.

[@larryhoward-pl1pe]

That verse says we are already IN CHRIST JESUS created FOR GOOD works that we SHOULD walk in them.​@@PutGodfirst129

[@larryhoward-pl1pe]

​​@PutGodfirst129 understand that you are already in Christ created unto good works but that doesn't mean they save you or keep you saved.

[@PutGodfirst129]

@@larryhoward-pl1pe we are justified by works and not faith alone. Faith without works is dead if you aren’t abiding in Christ you don’t really trust Jesus. It’s a condition we need to bear good fruit

[@cokyarpen4980]

We should do good works we should live by the commandments but that isn't what saves us,. None of the pious Prophets of old were able to live a perfect life all sinned and here God shows us why He had to come and fulfil it for us . We're saved by the righteousness of Him that died for us not of ourselves. To deny this is to deny the true Christ and why He came.​@@PutGodfirst129

[@JoshuaKelley-w3e]

Amen

[@user-xj9vf4xb9p]

Excellent brother. Thank you for teaching this properly.

[@Joshua_F83]

Love your videos brother. Hope you guys had a great Christmas 🙏🤙🤘❤

[@myflourishingfam]

Thanks man God bless you and hope you had a great Christmas as well!!

[@Humblestudent04]

When we come to God by the grace of God through faith God makes us alive spiritually who were once dead in trespasses and sin. God delivers us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of his son. That's just the beginning our conversion our Ephesians2:8 salvation event. Everyone who has been converted has this salvation event in their past and cannot lose an event. When Jesus returns judgement our resurrection, that's also a salvation event and hasn't happened yet it's in our future our final salvation event. That's why it not only matters if we believe remain faithful to Christ. It also matters how we live our walk our righteousness now in this lifetime. Has nothing to do with keeping Torah laws or working for anything. After our conversion salvation event we abide in the doctrine of Christ....and this is the testimony that God has given us eternal life. And this life is in his son. He who has the son has life, he who does not have the son of God does not have life....whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the father and the son.....eternal life is in Christ not in ourselves. As long as we abide in the doctrine of Christ we have life in Christ now. When Jesus returns judgement our resurrection, that's when we are resurrected unto life and have life in ourselves like Christ....for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order Christ the firstfruits afterwards those who are Christ at his coming....and as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgement, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for him he will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation......many can only see the beginning our conversion salvation event but cannot see the end when Christ returns judgement our resurrection final salvation event. In the beginning we are saved from our past sins so we can walk in the light we are delivered from the power of darkness. In the end when Christ returns we will be saved by Jesus from the wrath of God, that hasn't happened yet it's in our future our final salvation event. Jesus said everyone in his kingdom now, those converted made alive spiritually in the beginning will not enter the kingdom of God in the end when Christ returns judgement our resurrection.....the son of man will send out his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father. He who has ears to hear let him hear....many can't hear understand, they cannot see the kingdom of God or scripture pertaining to entering the kingdom of God in the end when Christ returns judgement our final salvation event.....marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all who are in the Graves will hear his voice and come forth those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation....so it will be at the end of the age, the angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.....

[@myflourishingfam]

I'd clarify that while believers are members of His Kingdom and ambassadors of it, it isn't here in fullness right now. He sets up His Kingdom when He returns at the second advent after the tribulation period. Dan 2:44 says in the days of those kings (the antichrist's empire) shall the God of heaven establish His Kingdom. That means it isn't established here on earth yet, though we as believers are members of it now. When He does that, all things that offend are removed (unbelievers, not bad Christians because He said He would NEVER cast out anyone who came to Him in John 6:37 and God never forsakes His children Heb 13:5, 1 Chron 28:20, Josh 1:5. We're His children by faith in Christ Jesus Gal 3:26, not by our performance). It's unbelievers and false Christians who are cast out, as well as unbelieving Israel at His return. It's not a threat to a sincere believer in Christ, even if our lives lived aren't great. If a Christian is in sin, they loose rewards at the Bema seat of Christ in 1 Cor 3:10-15, yet they are still saved. In fact, some will loose ALL potential rewards which means there was nothing of lasting value in their lives as Christians, yet they were still saved (v15). Paul said that to the most carnal church in the Bible, as 1 Cor 1-15 is a giant rebuke to them. He called them carnal several times in 1 Cor 3:1-3, yet affirmed they were saved in 1 Cor 1:2, 7-8, and that they would ALL go in the rapture (1 Cor 15:51-52). There is the unfortunate reality of a carnal believer, and it isn't without consequence (natural consequences, punishment, loss of rewards, etc), but a loss of salvation isn't one of them. Otherwise we aren't saved by the blood of Christ and His finished work alone, as our behaviour becomes our saviour. We'd then have reason to boast for getting into heaven, violating Eph 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, etc.

[@Humblestudent04]

@myflourishingfam everyone will face judgement when Christ returns according to their own faith together with their actions how they have lived not just faith alone or imputed righteousness of Christ. Only one final judgment when Christ returns and it's not for rewards, it's our final salvation event. Scripture says some will depart from the faith. Like the prodigal son we can walk away from our father and our inheritance. Like the prodigal son we can realize our mistakes repent and return and be welcome home but what about those that don't return don't repent?? When we come to God by the grace of God through faith God makes us alive spiritually who were once dead in trespasses and sin and God conveyed us into the kingdom of his son. That's when we are in the kingdom spiritually and when Jesus returns he will judge everyone alike not only if the believe but how they have lived their deeds matter. That what James meant by no one is saved by just faith alone, James was speaking about our judgement our resurrection final salvation event. Must rightly divide truth pertaining to salvation events. Many can only see the conversion salvation event but cannot see the final salvation event. Our inheritance is our reward and our inheritance is eternal life with God in the kingdom of God for eternity here on new earth. That's according to scripture.....Jesus said a kingdom divided cannot exist you cannot serve God in the kingdom of God in the spirit and serve the devil in the kingdom of darkness in the flesh. There is no such thing as a carnal Christian. You are a slave to who you obey.....what did Jesus say about anyone being raptured away while others are left behind?? Matthew13:30 according to Jesus everyone will remain together until the harvest then tares will be gathered and burned not left behind while the wheat are snatched away.....

[@Humblestudent04]

@@myflourishingfam when I say to the wicked, You shall surely die, and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity but his blood I will require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity but you have delivered your soul.....all we can do is warn with truth that must turn from wickedness to live and then not on us whatever they do we have delivered our soul....

[@BecamePneuma]

Amen! 🙏

[@privatepilot4064]

The works salvation crowd far outnumbers the OSAS Christians and Jesus tells us this. Matthew 7:13-15 “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

[@myflourishingfam]

Truth isn't measured by popularity. It's always in the minority. If what you're doing is super popular in the world, you should evaluate if you're on the right track.

[@privatepilot4064]

@ Indeed! Straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads unto life.

[@BethanyJuel]

I always say this is basically saying don't be a jerk lol

[@YouAreGoingToLoseMe87]

More than that but yes thats a good start lol

[@bonniestone9350]

Can you help me with 2 Kings 2: 24,25. It seems so disconnected to the rest of the scriptures.

[@myflourishingfam]

There were some youth who came by mocking him, and when it says he cursed them that Hebrew word (qalal) also means to despise or revile. I think he just rebuked them and then the bears came out and got them all.

[@Mammothsaber-4457]

“ have you come to judge us before our time” Demons know that Jesus is God that’s why they are scared of him because they know he is their judge and their doom.

[@MS33496]

I believe in once saved always saved but not “free grace.” When someone is saved, they have the Holy Spirit living in them and they receive a new heart and become a new creature. Naturally, this will cause them to do good works. They won’t do good works to prove they are saved or to earn their salvation- they will simply do the works because they are changed by the Holy Spirit. Free Grace proponents will argue with “how many good works is enough to be saved?” The answer is that there is no defined or required number since we are not saved by works, they will just naturally come. Many people take it too far the other direction and say if anyone is doing any sort of sin on a regular basis, then they aren’t saved or lost their salvation. They conveniently bring up something that they quit doing or don’t do (like drinking alcohol). This is also false. A person will be changed by being born again, but that doesn’t mean they will be perfect since they still have the old sin nature. However, If there is zero change in a person after they claim to be saved, then they were not saved to begin with.

[@myflourishingfam]

Totally agree with this! Though we may not see the change on the outside, it is so important for a person to assess their hearts. If there is no change of the heart, no desire for change and no repentance the person must sincerely assess if they were ever born again at all

[@MS33496]

@ correct me if I’m wrong, but I was thinking you were a believer of Free Grace theology based on your interpretation of James and some things you said in previous videos. I have listened to several Free Grace channels on KZbin and they all say that what I just posted is works-based salvation and it is “backloading works.” One of the key beliefs of Free Grace from what I have observed (based on those other channels and research I have done) is that being born again does not necessarily have any effect on a person’s life and there is no way to differentiate between a believer and an unbeliever (except for whether or not they they believe in Free Grace doctrine).

[@myflourishingfam]

@@MS33496 To clarify, we're given a new spirit and new heart with new and right desires at salvation (ezk 36:26, 2 Cor 5:17). This INCLINES us towards good works. We also have the Holy Spirit to help us and prompt us. We still have the free will to choose to obey or not, but since we have the new nature, at some point we'll see things happen. Some changes happen on the inside that no one sees outside, so they judge that a person isn't saved. I wouldn't do that. While I do think it's a matter of time til you see fruit from a true Christian, I also wouldn't say fruit-bearing is guarenteed in a given circustance. If a person has been "saved" for years and nothing has changed at all, no conviction, etc, then I'd say they weren't saved. I'd urge them to reconsider the gospel and their faith. That said, if you see a believer on a bad day you might think they're unsaved, or an unbeliever calling themselves Christian on one of their better days you might be fooled into thinking they're saved. I do believe in many points of Free Grace theology and lean in that direction, though some I have disagreements with. For example, I'm not a cessasionist (nor do I believe the other extreme that everyone's a prophet lol). I also don't think righteous living is emphasised enough.

[@isaacsworld9269]

Love your teaching but can you do a teaching on The hard sayings of Jesus? You covered Matthew 7:21 but what about ‘if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out’ or thine hand offend thee’ some people believe this pertains to lust of the flesh. This is a troubling passage for people who struggle with the flesh. Thank you.

[@user-xj9vf4xb9p]

@@isaacsworld9269 From what I understand about those passages, Jesus was preaching the high standards of the law to the Jews. It's double application I think. On one hand it's to show we can't do it and need a saviour. On another it's so we can put some of his sayings in practice in our Christian life such as turning the other cheek, forgiving others, etc.

[@myflourishingfam]

Ya I'll cover that at some point, hopefully soon! I have so many videos to make and limited time to make them. I'll do my best to get to it sooner than later though. God bless!

[@Foosh-ok3dc]

I was wondering if you could explain why works do not prove you are saved. If you have scripture to prove your point that would be appreciated. This isn't meant as an attack I'm just genuinely curious.

[@myflourishingfam]

God gives us a new spirit and a new heart with new and right desires as a regenerated believer (Ezk 36:26). That’s true of both old and new testaments. And in the church we also have the Holy Spirit in all believers to help us. God inclines us at salvation and helps us to produce good works, but we still have autonomy and free will to choose whether or not we do it. Have you ever known the right thing to do, or what God wanted from you, and yet you still refused to do it? Works aren’t guaranteed, but over time it will more than likely happen. However, moment by moment you still choose to be conducive or not. Eph 2:10 says “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus FOR good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” We aren’t saved BY good works, we’re saved FOR good works. Without them, our faith is useless in a practical sense and “dead” as James puts it. As your spirit invigorates your body, so works invigorate your faith.

[@FrankAndSenseDSM]

Dude. If i was a millionaire. Id buy your house for you! James 2… for people out there if faith that works is dead or works is required to show your faith… the question that should follow up is “before whom?” Since we naturally rely on our works as humans it makes sense that James is referring the showing deeds of your faith before our fellow human being! Although sometimes I wanna have such Baller faith that I build my house out of straw and still believe that God can hold it up and keep it from burning Lol I also think that Abraham’s faith in Genesis 22 is the fact that he knew that God would stop him before he actually had to sacrifice his son. Because in that section Abraham actually says to his son, “ God will provide the sacrifice”. Abraham couldn’t have been speaking about Jesus. He was actually speaking about the sacrifice at that time. But God is showing us now in 2024 that it was a precursor to Jesus.

[@myflourishingfam]

Amen brother God bless you!

[@2Chronicles714_]

James obviously knows that demons cannot be saved. A claim of belief minus repentance is a dead faith. Repentance and belief go hand in hand. You can't repent without believing and you can't believe without repenting. That's the point of James 2 that you are saved by faith,but it is a faith that works. It's not a static intellectual faith. It's a faith that motivates you. You start to do thing you'd never do before. Like John the Baptist said earlier as well as Paul show evidence of your repentance by your works. We are saved by Faith and not works however we are not saved IF our Faith does not work.

[@myflourishingfam]

Absolutely repentance and belief go together with regards to salvation. Repenting is having a changed heart/mind, and there are many things a person can repent of. Repenting of unbelief in Jesus is the type needed for salvation. To load the word repent (metanoao) with 'turning from all sins' is to import a meaning to the word that's not in the Greek or Hebrew. When you believe in Jesus, you've turned from your unbelief. You repented as you believed. Demons simply believe there is one God, which is monotheism. Nowhere does it say they believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. Yet their monotheist faith still causes them to shake with fear. Even more so should our faith produce a response in us. That's what James is getting at. Yes, John said to show evidence of repentance to prove they had changed. Not to prove to God, as God already knows if they did repent. John's baptism was to prepare the way for the Messiah to take His place as king over Israel, and Israel's heart had grown cold to God. The majority of the Pharisees didn't believe in Jesus, but they wanted to see what was going on and get in on it if it was of benefit, yet John knew they didn't truly want the Messiah. He was calling them out on it. If faith requires works to be saving faith (in an eternal sense), then who are those in 1 Cor 3:15, who have all their work burned at the judgement seat of Chist and yet are still saved? They had nothing of lasting value in their lives, so no good works. Yet they were saved. How? Because they truly trusted in what Christ did for them on the cross and His promise of eternal life. God gives believers a new heart with new and right desires (Ezk 36:26, Titus 3:5), as well as the Holy Spirit to help us (John 16:13, Rom 8:9, etc) yet it's up to us to put that faith into action. James is encouraging that. And as the 2 preceeding verses say, it's to save a believer from an unfavourable ruling at the Bema seat of Christ (1 Cor 3:10-15).

[@2Chronicles714_]

@myflourishingfam There is no way to faith except through repentance. Any other claims to get you there is deception. True faith is impossible without repentance. The foundation of the Christian faith is Jesus Christ. Anyone who claims to be a Christian has to build their life on that foundation. Building on the foundation is hearing and doing what Jesus said. Hebrews 6:1-3 [This is the doctrinal foundation of the Christian faith,and it lists 6 doctrines] 1Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles [or basic truths] of Christ, let us go on to perfection,[completion or maturity] not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works (sins) and of faith (belief) toward God. 2of the doctrine of baptisms,(water and baptism of the Holy Spirit) laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.3And this we will do if God permits. First of all it's essential to lay the foundation. If you've never laid the foundation you can never do the building. That takes us from the very starting point in the Christian faith to its ultimate fulfillment in eternity. It's very important to see that the Christian faith does not terminate in this life. It takes us beyond this world beyond time into eternity. Paul says if we only in this life have faith in Christ we are of all men the most miserable, the most to be pitied. Verse 3 says this we will do if God permits. Our foundation needs to be laid to God's requirements. Repentance from dead works. Anything not done in faith is a dead work.(Sin) We have to turn from anything not done in faith. Faith alone gives life to what we believe and what we do. Repentance is not an emotion it springs from the will. There are 2 main languages in the Bible Greek in the new, and Hebrew in the old The Greek means to change your mind and the Hebrew means to turn away from. Put the 2 together and you have complete picture of repentance. The whole message of the Bible is in this order, Repent and believe. Faith that is not associated with or precedes out of repentance is a counterfeit faith. It is not the Faith of the new testament. There is no true believing the gospel apart from repentance. It's a counterfeit. It's not real faith, and it produces counterfeit fruit, because they don't have real faith. They have a counterfeit,a substitute faith, which has bypassed repentance. You cannot find in the new testament starting in Matthew and ending up in Revelation where faith is offered without repentance. It's a false gospel.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@myflourishingfam James 2:19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. The theology of the demons is impeccable, their Christology and knowledge of God far surpasses ours. They know God is the Sovereign of the universe, they know Jesus is God,the deity. They know that doesn’t save them. IF a claim of belief was all that is required then the people in Matthew 7:21-23 would be not condemned. The 5 foolish virgin’s wouldn't be shut out. Luke 13:23-28 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Unbelievers don't say Lord,Lord. Obviously in all these passages there are people who even though they believed in Jesus their belief was superficial devoid of repentance resulting in a change of lifestyle.

[@2Chronicles714_]

James 2:19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. The theology of the demons is impeccable, their Christology and knowledge of God far surpasses ours. They know God is the Sovereign of the universe, they know Jesus is God,the deity. They know that doesn’t save them. IF a claim of belief was all that is required then the people in Matthew 7:21-23 would be not condemned. The 5 foolish virgin’s wouldn't be shut out. Luke 13:23-28 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Unbelievers don't say Lord,Lord. Obviously in all these passages there are people who even though they believed in Jesus their belief was superficial devoid of repentance resulting in a change of lifestyle.

[@straight-narrow-path]

James is talking about the flesh not the born again, saved spirit James :2:4 What doth it profit, my brethren,(flesh) though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?(flesh)15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,(flesh)16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; not withstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;(flesh) what doth it profit?(flesh)17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 26 For as the body (flesh) without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead(to the flesh) also.

[@myflourishingfam]

I think you're saying it's about making your faith of practical benefit in this world. If so, I agree!

[@TwRitchie888]

The Book of James is a transitional BOOK and is WRITTEN to the 12 tribes of Israel. We have ETERNAL SECURITY today, but not in the time of Jacob's Trouble.

[@myflourishingfam]

Even prior to the church covenant, eternal security was a thing. David said "I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever" in Psa 23:6. If he could have lost his salvation, he could never have said that. Since Israel's last 7 years of Dan 9's 70 weeks is during the Tribulation, I'd say they will be eternally secure as well.

[@TwRitchie888]

@myflourishingfam No because of the mark of the BEAST. If any man takes the mark of the BEAST in that time period they go to Hell. The only ones that have ETERNAL SECURITY in that time period are the 144,000 Jews.

[@TwRitchie888]

@myflourishingfam There is no ETERNAL SECURITY in the next dispensation (the time of Jacob's Trouble) because of the mark of the BEAST.

[@PutGodfirst129]

JAMES 2:14-26 ........the Bible is clear, we are justified by works and not by faith alone. ……We are NOT justified by faith alone. Just read the Bible and believe what it says without inserting man made ideas and doctrines into it. If you say we are justified by faith alone, you are repeating fables and doctrines of men. It doesn’t say this anywhere is scripture. Instead it says we are justified by works and NOT by faith alone. Just believe the scriptures. ......the bible says we are not justified by "works of the law"....which are circumcision, dietary laws, feast days, clothing laws......so when paul says " we are saved by grace through faith and NOT of works lest any man boast" he is refering to the "works" of the law". when James says we are saved by works and not by faith alone he is refering to the "works" of obeying christ, repenting of sin, and living a holy life.

[@user-xj9vf4xb9p]

@@PutGodfirst129 James is talking about practical/experiential justification in the context of what's being talked about not positional justification. If I told you "You are justified for doing that" would you assume I'm talking about going to heaven? Of course not. Not everywhere when it has the word "justified" is it talking about positional standing. It's about context.

[@PutGodfirst129]

@@user-xj9vf4xb9p James 2:14-26, James argues that true faith is demonstrated through actions and deeds, rather than words alone. He uses the example of Abraham, who was justified by his willingness to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice (Genesis 22). James contrasts this with the example of Rahab, the prostitute, who was justified by her actions in hiding the Israelite spies (Joshua 2). In both cases, their faith was made evident through their works. The verse contains several layers of meaning. Firstly, it challenges the notion that faith alone is sufficient for salvation. This aligns with the broader biblical teaching that genuine faith always results in a transformed life and good works. James is cautioning against a superficial, intellectual faith that does not produce tangible change in a person's behavior and character. Secondly, the verse underscores the idea that faith and works are interconnected. While salvation is received through faith in Christ, genuine faith is not passive but active. It is demonstrated through acts of compassion, justice, and righteousness. Without works, faith is incomplete and ultimately ineffective. PLEASE STUDY THE BIBLE

[@PutGodfirst129]

@@user-xj9vf4xb9p DO YOU HAVE THAT VERSE WHERE IT SAYS "IT'S OPTIONAL TO DO WORKS"?

[@felipecordero1018]

@@PutGodfirst129 “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭4‬:‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@PutGodfirst129]

@@felipecordero1018 the "works" Paul is talking about is OBEYING THE MOSAIC LAWS

[@TheFightingSheep]

Paul doesn't contradict James, in Ephesians 2:10, he contradicts your misinterpretation of Ephesians 2:8,9, which you quote out of context. If your faith has no works, it's a dead and useless faith. Ephesians 2:10 KJV - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[@myflourishingfam]

You aren't saved BY good works (Eph 2:8-9), you're saved FOR good works (v10). It's something God wants to produce in the life of a believer if we're willing to allow Him to. There is no contradiction.

[@TheFightingSheep]

@myflourishingfam Whatever "God wants" he gets, because there's no such thing as disobedient faith or unfaithful faith. God created his children unto good works, those who don't have good works are not his children, have no true faith, and Ephesians 2:8,9 doesn't apply to them, it applies to God's children in Ephesians 2:10.

[@theTabernacleofChrist]

Yes the “works” that James is talking about is the produced evidence of true faith. It’s the apparent works of the Spirit within you, as a true disciple. The only thing contradicting about it is man’s interpretation and understanding, and Satan’s twisting and manipulation of scripture. It’s fruit, it’s labour, it’s seeing a brother in need and doing something to help them out of charity/love/brotherly kindness. If you don’t help the needy, the afflicted, speak the truth every man to his neighbor, then your heart is hardened and your fruit (works) are evidence that you do not know God (having not been perfected by His love shed abroad in your heart by the Holy Spirit). It’s a clear misinterpretation and manipulation of sound doctrine these days, like you said… Why lean on your own understanding perverting the meaning of the text? It’s clearly not talking about works within the old covenant Pharisees understanding or laws of man. Obedience to the summary of all the law and the prophets is the meaning of “faith by works” in James… as in, if you believe and love God then you have received His Spirit and have evident workings of His goodness within you, out from you, (the second command) toward loving others. Not of your own goodness, but the evident works of the Spirit in you. Thus, faith without works is dead. The teaching in your video here isn’t the majority of teaching preached in OSAS doctrine. It’s good to refute and rebuke lies with love rejoicing in the truth.

[@myflourishingfam]

Have you ever had a moment where you knew what you should do, what God wanted, or saw a needy brother in Christ and done nothing? Was your faith then counterfeit? We can all have moments (we shouldn't, but honesty it happens to us) where this happens. In those moments, your faith in Christ is of no practical benefit to anyone in this world, and God can't use you to help them. That's what James is saying. Eph 2:10 says “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus FOR good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” We aren’t saved BY good works, we’re saved FOR good works. Without them, our faith is useless in a practical sense and “dead” as James puts it. As your spirit invigorates your body (which already exists), so works invigorate your faith (which is already exists). While God inclines us toward good works with the new spirit and heart He gives all believers (Ezk 36:26), as well as the Holy Spirit to help us, we still choose how to respond in the moment. Over a lifetime, the odds are overwhelming that you'll act on it sooner or later but how a person responds in the moment isn't how to know if they're saved or not. Faith in Christ saves. Works come as we act on that faith.

[@theTabernacleofChrist]

I totally agree with your interpretation in that first paragraph. That’s similar to what 1 John says about if we say we don’t sin we are lying. Paul addresses the fight of faith in a lot of ways too… but my point is that I agree and it’s an evident teaching across the epistles. I think the issue can also be addressed if looking in the gospels at a number of times that Christ’s disciples asked, “Lord, increase our faith!”. I think the conviction we have that we could have done better or should strive harder to the measure of Christ Jesus, is what’s important (that our conscience isn’t seared). To your second paragraph, ya I agree. However, the evidence of our salvation (which is by grace through faith) is by the Holy Spirit within us (1 John again). The evidence of being His disciple is that we show love for one another in deed (not being a heater only but a doer). We’re created for Him to dwell in us, and we in Him… the fruit of the Spirit is evidence that He abides in us. …we can care more about the lusts of the flesh, and the things of the world, rather than things of Spirit, but we’re supposed to do our best to resist temptation and turn to His goodness by His Spirit in us to strengthen us to resist the devil and his wiles. You have to make an effort, and you can even ask for your faith to be increased to strengthen you in Spirit to overcome a seemingly impossible mountain of temptation or sinful habit. But about your third statement, while it’s true and I agree that there are times we could do better, there are times we sin (knowingly or unknowingly)… what I think we can both agree to is that if someone is continuing to practice sinful behavior knowingly, eventually their conscience will be seared and the conviction to stop that behavior won’t be there anymore. I think Romans 1 is an easy example of this doctrine (a debased mind/ true desires of their heart)… but also I think it’s Luke 17 in which Christ Jesus talks about the sinful servant who knows the will of the Father and doesn’t do it -he will be beaten with many blows. There’s the unprofitable servant, foolish virgins, overall not preparing your heart for the Master can cause your name to be blotted from the book of life, or lamp stand removed, or forgotten, or being a child of the kingdom cast into outer darkness… we can’t profess Him with our mouth and our heart be far from Him… so while works of faith isn’t what saves us, it’s evidence that He abides in us and we in Him. We can know others are a true disciple or not by those fruits as well. You want to go onto another similar topic? You mentioned faith being given… while that’s true (and faith is a gift), not everyone has the same measure of faith: To each man is given a portion, and the portions vary. It’s by that measure of faith that we have other gifts of the Spirit.

[@brianbentley7156]

Nope you misunderstand the 2, Ephesians 2:8-9 can’t earn the atonement! James you need atonement and obedience which is faith, and faith is perfected by your works! You need all 3 here 1 repentance 2 atonement through faith and 3 obedience which is faith! Repentance + atonement+ obedience enduring till the end = salvation! That is how you are saved! Simply put old covenant they sinned they needed atonement- atonement came through the sacrifice of animal lamb or dove! By a priest who was to be ceremonially clean mind you! They are atoned from there sin and now they sin again repeat the same steps! New covenant Jesus did all the work- high priest and sacrifice for all and now it’s in our hearts and we don’t have to go to a priest! We sin we repent on spot and do 1 John 1:9 sin atoned for we are perfect now before God, if we sin again now we have a problem we have sin we need atonement but in order to be atoned we have to repent again and then we can get atoned! Not al sin is automatic atonement m, Repentance is still required! Hebrews 10:26 no willfull sin! 1John3:6-8! Revelation 22:14!

[@myflourishingfam]

I respectfully disagree. Eph 2 is about salvation being by faith alone. Abraham believed God, and his faith was counted for righteousness. James 2 is about what to do with our faith now that we're saved by putting it into action. Otherwise you end up with works playing a part of your salvation. The only "work" for salvation is to believe on Jesus and what He did for us. "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the WORKS of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the WORK (singular) of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." John 6:28-29 Enduring to the end in Matt 24:13 is relative to the Tribulation period (Matt 24:22). I put out a video on that passage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnaadoGGbtN5mJY We absolutely have our High Priest making attonement for us, I agree! 1 John 2:1. However, every believer has willfully sinned at some point. I don't think that passage is dealing with a believer who has sinned. It's about those Hebrews thinking they can run back to animal sacrifieces, yet the animal sacrifices are done away with. There's no other sacrifice to be made because Jesus already made it. 1 John 3:9 a believer has a new spirit that can't sin (Ezk 36:26, Titus 3:5). We can sin out of the flesh and an unrenewed mind as Rom 7:17, 20, 25 say, but it's not we who sin but the sin in our flesh. We still incur consequences for that sin, but positionally we're set right by the blood of Christ. We're already perfected in Him positionally Heb 10:14. Debate over Rev 22:14 and how it's translated. I like the KJV, but I'm not KJV only as there are a few places it doesn't translate things the clearest or accurately.

[@brianbentley7156]

@ no James is letting you know even the demons believe and tremble Abraham faith is perfected by his works and by his works he was justified! Faith and works together never alone! The scriptures cannot be broken said Jesus! So you have to understand if you believe in the Greek is pistis means to be faithful! You believe and show it by your actions! Anybody can claim Jesus is Lord but only there fruit will show it! That’s why we are told to do what judge a tree by their fruit, you will know them by their fruit! We do not live in tongue but in deed! Or you become a Titus 1:16 Christian and what happens to those hypocrites? Matthew 24:51 they get cut asunder and in revelation spew out of the mouth! You are commanded to live Holy! 1 John 3 :6-7 here is how it is manifested right! Hebrews 10:26 means we have to repent and it is not for them to run back to sacrifices! It’s clear as day if they don’t have a sacrifice then there is no atonement from what willfully sinning right! It’s the same in. Christ that hasn’t change even from old to new you get atonement for your sin and live Holy! You go back to sin guess what you are not Holy and need atonement instead of running to animal sacrifice now you runt to Christ but he expects what? Repentance, the same way from the beginning! You get cleansed of past sin and live Holy now since Jesus did the work as in became high priest and the sacrificial lamb you don’t have to work for your atonement it’s result available! But you must repent if not Luke 13:3 Jesus said repent or perish! Work out your salvation with fear and trembling! That is not passive and it’s is not eternal security! We have to be obedient! All sin has to be atoned for only sin that is eligible for atonement is repentant sin! That’s it!