125 Two-Stroke vs 250 Four-Stroke Battle at Redbud Motocross

[@ChambersHonda83]

Awesome video! Quick message to 80% of peoples comments here though; Real motocross riders don't give a shit which type of bike is faster or better, they just love riding. Everyone has a bike they prefer. For me its 2 strokes, because i just prefer them, no specific hate on 4 strokes, i still ride 4 strokes. Just prefer a 2 stroke. End of the day if you really do love this sport, like me, you'd be put on any bike and have a shit load of fun. Cheer up people!

[@thetruth7241]

Best comment on the thread! I have a CR125 myself and wouldn't change it for the world. I personally prefer 2 strokes aswell I just love the power band. At night I hop off my true love (my bike) and ride my yfz450 like a bat out of hell and have more fun than any dude drinking or talking senselessy at a bar or out on the "town".... some of these city folks really need to just shut up and ride man!

[@brockarcher3857]

+The Truth amen to that brother

[@tysoper4516]

Amen

[@tycastle1480]

MotoGoProVids sooo true bro... I'm the same as you,, I prefer 2 stroke over 4 stroke but I still have no hate over 4 strokes. I will ride a 4 stroke any day,, and I will ride a 2 stroke any day it's just I prefer a 2 stroke

[@GberAlianman]

MotoGoProVids thats true

[@justinrepp5844]

coulda swore this guy was on a 4 stroke until 20 seconds.

[@NameAttempt1]

Lol same that 4 stroke loud asab

[@sgt.mudflap9214]

Yeah same heree

[@michaelhenry4405]

Love all professional mechanics on the comments sections with these videos...

[@maekine3575]

Umm. You must be professional then. Or at least you try to represent pro.

[@derrickharrington3074]

both are badass riders

[@Kurosaki990Ichigo]

All i know is, i enjoyed watching this very nice battle between 2 very good riders.

[@dreams2124]

Kurosaki990Ichigo thank you people don’t really know how to enjoy things on the internet they just like to bich about everything besides watching and enjoying a nice race

[@slpn9t]

A fused ankle and 4 years later I'm still waiting to get another bike. Listening to that 2 stroke is pure perfection that brings tears to my eyes. Good ride bud. Well done.

[@dollarvapebox151]

Why do I get arm pump just from watching this 😂

[@scholle2167]

Hahahaha

[@scholle2167]

Hahahaha

[@JackAD]

Hahahaha

[@darylbabz5451]

hahaha me too

[@andreasa3622]

because your in bad shape ;)

[@mfrank15]

That was a kick ass race! Was giving me goosebumps. Loved the view and the sound. Thanks for sharing this.

[@GeddyRC]

This is one of my favorite dirt biking videos on KZbin. Not totally sure why, it just gets me real pumped up. Maybe it's the general feeling of franticness you get from watching!

[@iwanawithyou]

why the 2 stroke and 4 stroke fan hate each others? we are riders too, i love both of them

[@scholle2167]

Same, I ride a 2-stroke but I don't hate 4-strokes. We should all just ride and get along.

[@scholle2167]

***** I ride a 2-stroke, because they are so much fun to ride. The power band is just so much fun.

[@jason.bernier]

i ride what i find on a deal lol

[@AntiqueMeme]

I'm just afraid 2 strokes blow up too easily, from what I heard. I just got rid of a 2004 YZ85 ive been riding for 4 years, and it never blew up. Over the winter I bought a 2002 EXC 400. Haven't rode it yet, though.

[@fusingnintendofusingninten1823]

+XPWNZERX Welm its the other way, Just think whats the different between 2 and 4 , And also, 2-strokes can be ridden for years without changing piston onge if you handle it the right way

[@billybobkeith9147]

I like both 2-strokes and 4-strokes. Haters gonna hate.

[@primeyt9812]

Thank you same

[@craigsanders2740]

Ryan Otto same i like both id take any but 2 strokes just don't have the high end torque like a 4 stroke

[@manarail7126]

BillyBob Keith I no h8 m8

[@spliffsperlunk]

BillyBob Keith Same here , they both have their place ... Two stroke when I wanna haul ass... Fourstroke when I have to mow the grass.

[@verttisyrjala]

Same, i love both, but i think i like little more of 2 strokes.

[@jameslogan23]

2 stroke, 4 stroke, doesn't matter, just simply a great vid. Super fun to kick back and watch the race!

[@adrenalineaddiction]

Amazing clips! Keep it up!

[@vetb882]

Bro, THANK YOU for proving my point. Both bikes and riders were dead even for most of the race, the difference towards the end is the guy riding the bike that 25 lbs heavier that plants itself into the ground got a bit more tired than the bike on the lighter bike that dances OVER the terrain. 2 strokes rule. Politics and money greed by AMA, NPG, Feld, bike companies are whats killing 2 strokes. Just like in life off the track the people are speaking, none of the dullards in power are listening.

[@Micscience]

I finally bought a 2 stroke still haven't got to really brapp on it yet because I'm waiting on parts. The only thing I do dis like though is the mixing oil and gas and how loud the bike is I wish the sound was a little less intense. I love my ears. Another thing I noticed the neighbors seem to hate my 2 stroke way more than my 4 stroke I think it is the aggressive sound it gives off.

[@vetb882]

@@Micscience Yaaay. Good for you bro. You'll be brapping in no time. You can fix the bike yourself, unless it's transmission you can fix the top end in your garage. No timing chains, no valves, no excess BS. 😉😆 As for the sounds, it IS a more aggressive one, like A REAL racing machine should sound. If it's exceedingly loud though, repack the silencer. They make lots of kits where you can do it yourself. You'd be surprised how much lower the volume is over that's fine, plus it increases the low end snap. Hit me up if you have any more questions. I know local Pros who are hanging onto 15 year old 250 2 strokes and doing well on them. Train though, 4 strokes don't scare you so your not relaxed. A slow 2 stroke scares you cos it's hyper and aggressive. Cycling us a good way to build cardio and lung strength. Best ff luck and "rubber side down" ... that's a racers blessing. 💪🏻😎💪🏾

[@vetb882]

@@Micscience oh yeah, mixing. Manuals say 32 to 1, 4o or 5o to one is best. Check your plugs often, a nice brown to tan color is perfect. Braaaap

[@Micscience]

Well wouldn't have to exert less energy if the heavier bike plants into the ground better you are not dealing with controlling the bike.

[@Micscience]

@@vetb882 I did it at 32-1 I did notice it was a bit smokey.

[@joeshmoe12301230]

Hell yeah! I love it. Back in my racing days four strokes weren't even thought to be competitive and were only for trail riders. Unfortunately the torque and rideability (I think I just made that word up) make it hard for a slightly faster rider on a two stroke to beat a guy on a four stroke. Had Jeremy Hand been on a four stroke it would have been an easier fight. But, you just cant beat the sound of a two stroke (any size) rippin' up a track. The best sound in the world is a lone 250 two stroke in a stadium. Anyone else remember watching one of the pros doing a hot lap at a supercross race? In my opinion, four strokes brought one major positive and one major negative to the sport of motocross (as far as people getting into racing). The positive is that it made it easier for guys to progress faster than they would on a two stroke. The negative is that it made it easier for guys to progress faster than they would on a two stroke. There may only be a few guys who understand that.

[@joeshmoe12301230]

+Doug Anderson do you often go around making yourself look stupid, or is this just one spontaneous decision?

[@Eastsidegeorgiaboy]

I think I get it. There's things that you will learn on a 2 stroke that 4 stroke riders dont typically deal with, and over the long run, it makes the 2 stroke rider a more complete rider. It's like this episode of Pokémon, where Pikachu and his trainer Ash battle someone who also had a Pikachu( but forced it to evolve into a stronger Pokemon, called Raichu). Raichu has all thebpowers of Pikachu, and is supposed to be stronger, and potentially faster. Well Ash's Pikachu mopped the floor with that Raichu, because his Pikachu never evolved, he learned new moves that the Raichu didn't know. Ash had a more complete Pikachu. Ok. I'm done with my analogy.

[@losisupertruck04]

That was pretty dang fun to watch!

[@OfLefty]

I miss watching 125 races where everyone would simply rail every turn to keep momentum. Awesome riding.

[@hacker8253]

People dont truely understand the way a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke works.Actually the two stoke has less torque per cc because it is continuesly going fast it is like the difference between a person pulling back half way for a punch and a person pulling all the way back for a punch.The four stroke is the person who pulls all the way back for a punch.The four stroke doesn't hit on every stroke but when it does it packs a big punch thats why they are good on the lower end rpm's.I hope everybody can understand what I am trying to say.

[@hacker8253]

***** What I am saying is correct.A 2 stroke appears to have more torque because I get to fire every stroke.I am computer a 2 stoke engine power to the 4 stroke for every combustion they get to make on their revolution not a buck of revolution combined.Of course a 2 stroke is going to win but for the 4 stroke to even come close to the power of a 2 stroke it has to pack a big punch when it does combust thats what I mean.

[@hacker8253]

You know what I meant.if you were to compare a single combustion of a four stroke and a two stroke the four stroke has more power but because the four stroke does not fire every two stroke the two stroke has more combined power.For the four stroke to make up for the missed stroke it has to produce a lot of power in that one stroke it does produce to push all those heavy parts.Its shows you how much power a 4 stroke really has.

[@hacker8253]

***** I know that all I was trying to say,but you have to be honest 4 stroke engines last way longer then a 2 stroke engine,and you have better control of the rmps.With a 2 stroke the only way I can describe it is like a on and off switch.You either have it at full power or its nothing.With a 4 stroke it has power through all the rmps and its way smoother.

[@bra-da-boss3433]

Malik Berry I agree completely but it all comes up to what you love and want to ride. 2 strokes or 4 strokes are both good.

[@mayomaniack]

Malik Berry compare the price to fully rebuild a 250 4 stroke and a 125 2 stroke. And in all means yes the 4 stroke will last longer but the 2 stroke can be rebuild in a day

[@canadianlumberjack4202]

2 strokes are basically huge chainsaws that you can ride

[@TsEasyriver]

Hahaha you think that because never use this machine in one race

[@domsmx2691]

I call em bees cuz they sound and are deadly

[@vetb882]

Hahaha, yup

[@toddjacobs5660]

Great video, ive watched this probably 20 times and still one of the best !!!

[@KeganVanSickle]

That was a killer battle, great race! The sound of the video alone could just play in the background of my home all day long. Best of both worlds, 2 and 4 stroke battling it out!

[@mikem369]

Im only 3 and I ride a Kx500

[@JamesGingerich]

Straight up badass is what you are.

[@s3LEDZEPPELIN]

+Michael Marsden I'm only 6 months and ride a YM250.

[@AnglerDanNE]

There's a 7 year old that rides a cr500

[@joeshmoe12301230]

+Michael Marsden TUFF!

[@brettrichards666]

I'm on 11 and I ride a 50.

[@123kion]

by the sounds of it theres a load of bees chasing you...

[@jimmyconnor9152]

lol I still think that is the sound after hearing 2 strokes for over 25 years

[@enduroofficial343]

+Jimmy Connor b

[@valamere101]

+Elmin Jusić b

[@TheWink17]

very cool vid man! makes me miss racing. good to hear a 2 smack again.. 125 definitely makes you learn to use momentum through the turns and im a big supporter of starting on one before the 250f. definitely a long term benefit. good race!

[@nicklabas8616]

That's freaking crazy dude! I went to school with Jeremy hand (guy with the helmet cam on and the 125)! This guy is gifted on anything with 2 wheels and handle bars!

[@rupertevans9140]

That Kawasaki rider is a bloody monster! It was so enjoyable watching him throw the bike into the corners with such control. Then when he accelerates out of them it gives me such a rush! Truly enjoyed watching this!!

[@MasonSchwab]

Time for a rebuild after this race!

[@zaveok7751]

Why

[@Leo-mg2bd]

2 stokes all the way!! brAPP brAPPPPP!!

[@40822499]

Ol' boy got tired of lugging that bag of bolts 4 stroke around that play pen

[@tonyguyette4601]

Nice riding. What year is the cr125 ? I ,ll guess 2004. I hv 2 04,s & 1 05. The 04 has that biting sound working the mid. Sounds Great.

[@becksims974]

sick vid... really teaches the watcher that its about the rider not the bike... all outside lines when not protecting his place is to keep momentum and rpm's up and to flow the bike and roll on the gas... this dude is a pro

[@tidepods3182]

EVERYONE, please listen, we are all riders doesn't matter what bike you have, our REAL enemy is QUADS!!!!!!

[@Me-yh4uc]

Tide Pods QUADS ARE FOR PUSSIES

[@timmwhite9218]

The 150cc two strokes are now legal in 250cc class AMA/FIM motocross and supercross (as well as GNCC cross country classes). They are screaming fast and they are NEW. What are you doing still riding a six to seven year old CR125? Get a 150 and put the 250F's to shame on the first lap! (also 300cc two strokes are now legal in the 450cc class). Nice video, great battle, and keep up the good work. Have fun!!

[@MxQuestion572]

What? Where did you hear that?

[@timmwhite9218]

MxQuestion572 Read your 2015 AMA rule book under Motocross/Supercross! Also the FIM rule book under the same heading.

[@MrSchandl]

no matter if 4 or 2 stroke, both killed it

[@LDBCFC]

Gnarly battle man. You stuck those corners like a king. Would love to come ride in america soon

[@haydenksimmons]

Way to represent the 2-strokes!! Your bike sounds so crisp!

[@timl7947]

2strokes on cocaine 4strokes on steroids

[@damiondominichumble5410]

The fony

[@sunni7520]

Yep

[@capsitan]

good analogy

[@realstreettuning5359]

Wow i had never heard that

[@dirt_cloudz7994]

@@damiondominichumble5410 you stupid as fuck two strokes rock

[@MeatPlowMcGill1]

That was a good race, great riding! Oh wait, this is the internet, I mean 2 strokes are better blal blah blah, no 4 strokes are better, those guys suck, and "this video is gay." Whoa, that was a close one I was on the internet saying something nice. I almost lost my internet tough guy interwebs cred.

[@1slattnite188]

that 4t sounds good as fuck

[@yates656]

I am in the process of doing a complete off-frame rebuild/restore of my '95 KTM 300exc. I cant wait to see it after I have it all back together.

[@Endurochannel]

Good job! Really good made video and great riding!

[@IsaacOfCourse]

what should i buy a 250 2 stroke or a 250 4 stroke ?? i drove motocross when i was 11-15 im 20 now. so i know how to drive, but i dont know if i should buy a 2 stroke or 4 stroke.. please give me some tip/advise

[@4everEddie]

You should read this: motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/YOU-ASKED-FOR-IT-MOTOCROSS-ACTIONS-TWOSTROKE-VERSU-7117.aspx

[@crunkdragon3]

2 strokes are lighter, more horsepower per cc, and cheaper to maintain. seems like a no brainer to me...

[@IsaacOfCourse]

okey, thanks :)

[@InfamousMedia]

i've never ridden a 4 stroke, but all my riding buddies i grew up with and older guys, all who rode 2 strokes, say that you can't beat a 2 stroke. i have a cr250, but my atv is 4 stroke and it doesnt compare to the balls of a 2 stroke engine

[@IsaacOfCourse]

InfamousMedia okey, i think im going to buy a 2 stroke :) but i dont know if i should buy a 125 or 250 because of my low weight. i want to buy a kawasaki or ktm is that a good choise ?

[@DieselWorld]

Why is the 2 stroke riding taking the outside line all the time? The other rider know the shortest distance around the track is the inside.

[@JamesGingerich]

+dieselworld momentum.

[@pokemongamingincorperated7350]

outside is faster, inside is quicker

[@bigjohnson5166]

Kids these days

[@valiumshatner333]

The shortest distance is in the inside however u pick up more speed keeping as straight a line as possible when hitting the apex (which research shows cuts down your time significantly more in the long run)of a turn which can lead u from the outside entering and to the outside exiting (this all of course depends on the track layout and if you are defending or over taking a position)

[@Rapbando]

Good question, actually there are more answers, for example for the same power comparison, the 2 stroke bike is lighter but has less low end torque so is more affceted by accelerations and decelerations than the 4 stroke bike that also have less torque at the higher RPM. Another reason why the 2 stroke rider prefers staying on the outside is the engine inertia or engine brake, while the 2 stroke rider has to rely more on hand brakes and down shifts because the 2 stroke engine has a much narrow power band and less engine brake, instead the 4 stroke rider have more time to dedicate to corner entering and exting procedures because with the gas comand can manage the braking and doesn't have to shift as frequently as the other rider.

[@izzatsyamir2001]

2 stroke still the best!

[@Hassy]

Loved this duel! The only thing I can't stand is hearing that limiter rev in the air. Could've never stand that, takes my breath away every time, gets me anxious.

[@hitandrun301]

You guys could have taken eachother out so many times but you didnt! Nice racing! I watched every second and was on edge the whole time Subbed

[@Bull_10RR]

I only ride on the road, a 4t, i love the sound, the power down low, and my electric starter, but the other day i did a bike swap with one of my friends / classmates and rode his 2t.. It sounds awfull ( like your riding an oversize mosquito) but damn they are fun! I was thinking.. Hmm, does it go any faster?! And boom powerband hits, omfg so much fun when it starts pulling! Both are great in their own way, love em both!

[@michaellewis8227]

Watched this video about 100 times

[@silicontoad7186]

Each bike has its ups and down... I have both and I like each of them differently for different reasons. 2 stroke is good for mowing my lawn or cutting down a tree, and the 4 stroke when I want to go out riding :)

[@ubrickisnag1085]

Hahahahahahahahaha omg I am dead right now brooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@supermoto3453]

+Silicon Toad hahaha this is the best shit I have read in a while 4 stroke all the way

[@ubrickisnag1085]

But 2 stroke is the way to go

[@SupremeTalkShow420]

+Cyrus Moss It is! check out my brothers vid its a short race but its worth the watch because the 4 stroke got dusted... 1998 cr 250 vs yz426 I'll edit the video description after i see the mistakes...... lmao

[@silicontoad7186]

SupremeTalkShow 420 Depends on the riders skill too. This whole 2 stroke vs 4 stroke debate is old and pointless. 2 stroke - 30% more power - LIghter - Cheaper to repair 4 stroke - Not as insane - Heavier - Better on hard pack dirt - expensive to repair but not as often I'm not bias, I just prefer 4 strokes because of a couple reasons. I like the weight I dig the sound And I don't ride chainsaws :) (My poke)

[@pineapplejuice1244]

i was watching this in school on a scchool laptop bbecause when your done with ALL your work you are allowed to do what ever you want :0!! so i was watching this and it was the end of the school my teacher told me to switch off but i said 4 MORE MINUTES!!!! ;-; she said if i will not switch the laptop off she will block dirt bike videos ;-; anyways nice video bro! keep it up!!

[@robertmoncriefglockrock8957]

Awesome race ! That 125 sounds amazing 😍

[@robbrown809]

I wonder how many times the guy on the 2-stroke had to shift in this race LOL!

[@BrentonStammberger]

+rob brown he had to do a lot of shifting to keep up with the green lawn mower

[@LoganMackinnonMXFMX]

+rob brown i like shifting ;)

[@justinnichols7405]

+BRENTON #7 gotta love the pickle

[@dansutera6845]

The 4 stroke rider picked better lines around the track which made up for the lack of snap that a 2 stroke has but eventually old world technology and a determined rider won the race. Great riding by both but I have to say 2 strokes are just more fun to ride. 4 strokes are easier to ride but they just don't get your blood going like a smoker does. Facts are facts it takes double the cc of 4 stroke to keep up with a 2 stroke. There has to be a reason for that.

[@Micscience]

Well thats because there is double the metal inside the engine of a 4 stroke and it takes more time to complete the cycle. Also all 2 strokes have an advantage they have expansion chambers which 4 strokes don't have. You would need to add a turbo or a super charger onto the 4 stroke to equalize the extra performance effect the expansion chamber gives a 2 stroke by using sound.

[@dimitri8285]

Micscience yes

[@SL4US]

@@Micscience the expansion chamber acts like a turbo but it is not anything close to one

[@Micscience]

@@SL4US You may be right but the term (ride the pipe) has some truth to it. It seems to dramatically change the performance of a 2 stroke. When you are not on the pipe on a 2 stroke there isn't much there. I might put a straight pipe on my cr125 and see if it loses a lot of performance.

[@thicok4555]

I like 2 stroke better because it is easy to work on

[@silicontoad7186]

+Elias Boyle Best answer for this stupid debate in years. I like 2 strokes because they are easy to work on. Perfect.

[@AntiqueMeme]

+Silicon Toad is that sarcasm? They are... Although easier to blow up too xD

[@ubrickisnag1085]

+XPWNZERX no I doubt he is sarcastic

[@skylercox939]

+XPWNZERX Considering what he said is true, yeah. I could also rebuild a 2 stroke 8 times for the price to rebuild a 4 stroke just once, and you can bet your ass a 4 stroke isn't going to go as long as a 2stroke on it's 8th rebuild without having to be rebuilt the 4 stroke.

[@ubrickisnag1085]

Yeah and it's actually a myth because they are pretty equal.

[@RapidInstincts]

Genuinely asking, I’m still new to dirt. Any tips on how to ride it? I figured out it’s extremely slidy and you have to stay on top of the bike but there no counter steering is there?

[@bruin4937]

Both riders were killin' it! Balls-out MX racing!

[@bmwm34]

who else thought that the Kawasaki rider had a scary sound 😂🙋

[@goodolecountryboy7550]

Till Schnur sounds badass

[@joshpedersen5748]

My friends call my 4 stroke a rolling turd.. haha

[@6amamoeba677]

2 stroke has half the displacement, takes all the outside turns and still wins. #twostrokemasterrace

[@scottneil6174]

Love the video. I've watched it at least 6-8 times in the last few months. Great ride. It looks like you rode better and even faster after you got around the guy

[@james2tallG]

yo no matter what you ride this is one of the best battles and well deserved wins I've seen

[@drrjim]

and the crowd goes wild !

[@Tuesdaysgonewtw]

Always remember 2 strokes are twice as powerful as 4 strokes. It's sad they are being abandoned (thanks to the stinking Gov.) Imagine if the manufactures were pouring the same R&D into 2 strokes (fuel injection etc.) it wouldn't even be close. 2 strokes would flat out rule, period.

[@rajeshmb6745]

Buy ktm two stroke Fuel injected motocross motorcycle. It's already in few market

[@davidpelkey9061]

Fuel injected 2 strokes are retarded stick with carb

[@xkxmdmdnxjx9885]

David Pelkey why

[@Eastsidegeorgiaboy]

@@xkxmdmdnxjx9885 they arent that reliable. This chick has a Husqvarna 150 2 stroke. Bought it brand new this year, and has fouled more than 30 spark plugs this year. She just had to replace 3 in one day. Husqvarna even sent a specialist out to look it over, and the specialist rebuilt the engine for her, and the problem is still there. It's a good bike when the plig isn't fouled. But she also does a lot of trail riding at slow to medium speeds. Meanwhile, I bought my 2021 yz250 2 stroke in February, didnt get to ride until mid April due to rain and work. Anyway, Im still running the same spark plug that came with the bike from the factory. Still no problems, and I think I have about 80 hours on the bike and spark plug at this point.

[@Eastsidegeorgiaboy]

KTM, Husqvarna, GAS GAS, all offer fuel injected 2 strokes, with electric starts. Btw, KTM owns all of those brands. The GAS GAS receives ktm parts from about 2 - 3 years ago. It's not as new as the Husqvarna and KTM, but it is still new. They treated it like how Ram trucks has the ram 1500 and also the 1500 classic. The classic is basically the previous generation ram chasis, with updated lights.

[@sultankautsar3535]

2 stroke like flies,, 😂 go 2stroke!

[@ktm125pete]

sick riding sick track and that lil 125 must have some power..

[@bballplayer029]

Outstanding racing by the both of them! Excellent Race!

[@SNelens]

So, why do we all need new bikes every year...? The old 2 stroke is doing a very good job in this race. Kind of makes me think we are led to spend.

[@sqhunter65]

Nice video

[@timwunderlich6667]

so the 2 stroke has 125 less cc. and it came really close to winning. imagine if it also was a 250.

[@JamesGingerich]

You not watch the whole video? The 125 won...

[@timwunderlich6667]

+James Gingerich no no I did not. I read the description. must have read wrong. cool deal thanks for correcting me.

[@timwunderlich6667]

+ThorntonHiFi you are very correct indeed. I do understand however that it also depends on the type of rider. I ride but I'm not the greatest. I do understand what you are saying though.

[@timwunderlich6667]

+ThorntonHiFi you are very correct indeed. I do understand however that it also depends on the type of rider. I ride but I'm not the greatest. I do understand what you are saying though.

[@bartekpoprawski5741]

2t is Beta rr300

[@CharlesTamburello]

Great job guys! I could almost smell the exhaust!

[@elgringo118]

Nice battle love hearing those engines awesome video

[@bren5890]

I own both a 250 2 stroke and 250 4 stroke…love both bikes. Like most are saying, it depends on your riding style, and when comparing raw speed (for all the meathead throttle hangers commenting) I doubt any of you are actually pushing the bikes like the guys in the video.

[@mrmoparrr]

You ever battle that kid on a CR 250?

[@Me-yh4uc]

Mrmoparrr I’d prefer an RM250.

[@HighClassStunts]

Modern day 4 strokes can smoke the same cc 2stroke 250 2st

[@verttisyrjala]

xD no fucking way.

[@Gsharp95]

Haha your a silly galah

[@regularreview9857]

HAHAHHAHAHAH a 250f will never beat a 250 2 stroke idiot

[@SapperSam140]

That Moto Guy Are you fucking high?

[@floydnegrete8016]

Did you really just say that??? Lmao!!!

[@HamsterTMS]

this video was hecka dope, i'm giving this a thumbs up

[@sebastianberge1030]

Very nice riding by both. Fun to watch!

[@zane4964]

I like 2 strokes more there so powerful

[@nicolaschamenko3925]

Four Stroke is more power but a 2 stroke is fun if i had to choose for a race i will say four stoke they are more predictable

[@zane4964]

+Blue Rider25 no 2 strike is more power a 250 2s has way more than a 250 4s

[@nicolaschamenko3925]

+ENDURO SK thats not how it works, 250 2 stroke are in with the 450 4 strokes and i would know i ride a 450

[@paul1e]

+ENDURO SK 4t more reliable and 2t easy to rep :D

[@keithlaham7593]

but they're really not. they just have kick at the end of the gear. they aren't any better than today's four strokes. and I never thought I'd think that way till I went from an rm124 bored out to a 141 , with all sorts of shit in it to a crf250r. now I love the crf I'll barely ever ride the 2 stroke again.

[@KirbysSpecialtyMetalCraft]

4 stroke baby!!!!!!!!! 😝

[@denimstratton7308]

U know it

[@SOLDOZER]

Must be humiliating for a whole gate of 4 strokes to lose to a disadvantaged 2 stroke.

[@krystalwoessner6647]

wi1pwoooiwiwwoi w I w u u kek.sp

[@r.lfilms5051]

yet 30 4 strokes just lost to a 2 stroke with half the ccs. fucking goof

[@TheMyronStube]

4 strokes are for more lazy riders and you can blast out of corner pretty good but the 2 stroke is fun and wheelies are way fun on a 2 stroke

[@TheMyronStube]

I have a 125 and a 250f so fuck you guys your dad probably bought your bikes

[@Bimmer_Bino]

+lord Myron i feel the same way about 2 strokes and 4 strokes

[@TheMyronStube]

+vertti syrjälä right thank you

[@TheMyronStube]

+KillerDevil21 mmhm 2 stroke for life

[@verttisyrjala]

myron Haha no problem

[@shmakaa]

im starting riding and and ive ridden before many times but i want to know what kind of bike i should get. i want power and i dont want to get sick of my bike after a year but i want a smooth ride. im around a little shorter than the average 18yo

[@alex.petkevich]

Really nice and clean battle! Love to watch it. It is not about how many strokes you have, it's about the rider and his style. 4 stroke seems better but i know some people who are faster on 2 stroke. Anyway, each of those guys are twice faster than me :)

[@Bulcano747]

why always people compare 2 stroke with 4 stroke, two stroke always was a faster engine with lot of maintenance 4 stroke slower but low maintenance , ease the size of your engine is only 125cc while 4 stroke 250cc,( 250cc 2 stroke , 450cc 4 stroke) so if they want to match a cr 500 they need a 4t 1000cc? bye

[@marcuskoster6978]

Wrong, the new four strokes are much faster (although bigger displacement) and are also much, much less reliable because they have a higher compression. Also, there are a lot more parts on a four stroke, making them more complicated to work on. More stuff=more stuff to break.

[@Little_Foxx]

2 strokes have a lot less maintenance then a 4 stroke engine.... Thats whats so great about them! no cam/cams, valves, timing belt/chain, etc etc.

[@marcuskoster6978]

yep

[@100GTAGUY]

Marcus Koster Not to mention about 3x more expensive in parts, plus two strokes last long also. I ran one with the same piston for 7 years (shame on me yes i know) and it never had any problems.

[@marcuskoster6978]

gat dam ya i love em. Riding a 4 stroke fast is so much less work too!

[@maxstoney9940]

4 strokes are way kwicker than 2 strokes now if they refined the 2 stroke like they have 4 stroke results probs be diffrent but as it stands 4 strokes are far better an thats from a 2 stroke lover

[@alexholmes7384]

actually 4strokes are better on straights but out of the corner the 2 stroke has the advantage because its lighter and can carry more speed into the turn the 4stroke is a heavier machine and needs to slow down more so in other words 2 strokes are faster off the jump and 4 strokes are faster at long distance

[@314isabeast]

Ron Heater Size never matters though. Look at diesel's. The 7.3 doesn't make even close to what the 6.0,6.4 and 6.7s make its all in how the engine works. 4 strokes are more efficient and create power in a broader area, with the weakness being less RPMs due to a power train. I'd say if you know how to ride and want the most of your bike I'd go 4 stroke any day, 250 or 450.

[@damuv]

314isabeast the 7.3 was the best diesel made..the 6.0 was a turd ..owned them both..just saying

[@314isabeast]

So have I and thats not true at all they both had their ups and downs. The 7.3 was a turd and I went through 3 head gaskets on my 6.0.

[@jamesgingerich4895]

***** Must have been awhile since you've checked out the 250F HP numbers. The 2013 KTM 250SXF comes in just shy of 43HP... motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MXAS-2013-250-FOURSTROKE-SHOOTOUT-WE-ARENT-TELLING-9652.aspx

[@TheOfficialKC]

Why is this so hard to ask for in pro racing? Just fix the bullshit rules and make them fair so we can see 2-strokes and 4-strokes competitively racing. 175cc vs 250cc and 300cc vs 350cc.

[@dpracing2528]

I Love the 2t, its the cr 125 vs kxf 250?

[@rmxrider20032000]

Awesome video. It shows the 2 different styles it takes to go fast, on 2 very different bikes. Great racing on both parts. Talked me into subscribing.

[@michealchecavich3708]

of cause a 250f beats a 125 it obvious

[@michealchecavich3708]

+micheal checavich causew it has 125 more ccs

[@michealchecavich3708]

im sorry im new to bikes

[@JamesGingerich]

It didn't in this video.

[@Mastercrafter072]

+micheal checavich just cause a bike has more cc's doesn't mean it's always gonna win. And actually the 125cc won. It's not just the bike it's also about the rider and their skills. And the 125 was a 2 stroke, the 250 was a four stroke. So, you can't really base it on cc's.

[@michealchecavich3708]

good point

[@oBlair65o]

if you think 2 strokes don't have torque you've never rode a 250

[@trevcannon]

Then you've never rode a 450 if you think a 2t 250 has torque

[@oBlair65o]

TrevSkee Cannon 250s have 30 foot pounds of torque.. only 5 less than a 450

[@Tikkikoira]

TrevSkee Cannon Then you've never rode a 500 2 stroke if you think a 450f has torque

[@oBlair65o]

Tikkikoira YES hahaha my uncle had a 500 I rode on the back when I was like 5 back wheel in every gear lol my 250 has enough for me though now that I'm 15

[@DanielGarcia-dd7vu]

oBlair65o then yiu have not rode a 10000000cc dirt bike tell me how Much torque that has *just a joke*

[@luvkillzslowly07]

Any 2stroke 500 would piss on any of these joke 450s!!! There is a reason 2stroke dominated motocross all these years... Just sayin...

[@TilDeathWeThrashard]

And now the four strokes dominate motocross. Haha

[@PowerDudeson]

TilDeathWeThrashard yeah, but only because of those ridiculous engine displacement regulations. 125 2's vs 250 4's and 250 2's vs 450 4's? Yeah, that seems fair...

[@verttisyrjala]

PowerDudeson it is.

[@verttisyrjala]

125's are not slower than 250 fart strokes. Same thing with the 250 2 stroke and 450 four stroke.

[@agoniavr]

TilDeathWeThrashard To be honest, your comment shows a pretty heavy lack of information about motocross(if it's not just a joke, in that case my bad). The manufacturers "forced" the regulations to make 125 2t compete with 250 4t, 85 with 125, 250 with 450 and so on. The reason is, with the same cc 2t smokes 4t hands down and this is coming from someone how has zero preference to be honest. 4t have many advantages like higher torque no matter if you're at high or low rpm and stuff like that... If you exploit regulations and force the rulers to make everyone run with 125 2t against 250 4t it's obvious they'll drop the 2t and develop the 4t. That doesn't still mean that they're using it "because they're better". They're simply different and every true bike LOVER, not kids, knows stuff like this and rides wathever they can. For me, as an amateur, I am more comfortable with the 250 4t as it's easier to recover from mistakes and doesn't stress you that much...but my friends with their 125 2t are so used at always going fast no matter what, even in turns, that they smoke the others with their own 250 4t when they jump on them :)

[@kylarshaner189]

James, you're one hell of a rider man! Very nice riding!

[@alexholmes7384]

Ok legit question i have a 1999 yz 125 been riding for a while and thinking of getting a new bike Im currently racing and Im leaning more towards another 2 stroke just because i have never riden a 4 stroke is the switch worth it? and is it true that racing a 4 stroke is much easier even though its heavier

[@skylorbrothers3208]

A 125cc 2 stroke is like riding a 250f so they are very much the same but when it comes down to it its all the rider not the bike

[@billmcgregor4112]

Not sure about that, modern day 250f's are nudging on the 250 2t territory power wise. There's definitely a power advantage with a modern 250f compared to a 125.

[@skylorbrothers3208]

yeah they are the 4 stroke tech has come along way

[@billmcgregor4112]

Skylor Brothers That is has, shame that the two strokes weren't given direct injection and more advancements. They'd still be the bikes to buy if they made the same progress the 4t did.

[@skylorbrothers3208]

Yeah but what can ya do, life goes on

[@billmcgregor4112]

Skylor Brothers I heard KTM is actually working on a direct injection setup believe it or not. It would be very cool if we started seeing two strokes come about again.

[@MrAnonymous9516]

4 strokes killed moto x

[@MrRatchetmann]

AMEN BROTHA KINDA MADE MOTO-X A BIT SOFT

[@eldonnewsom3756]

lol. All I heard from the 2 stroke was REDLINE,REDLINE,REDLINE,REDLINE

[@verttisyrjala]

Thats how you ride a 2 stroke

[@eldonnewsom3756]

If he shifted more on the straights he could of passed that four stroke. He was redlining way to much

[@eldonnewsom3756]

ohh i guess i didnt see tht

[@traxxasrustler12]

what gear are you in while going into turns? im confused about this

[@1wera308]

Man that was cool. That little 125 sounds so good!

[@FiercefoxProductions]

i dont know why people bother buying a 4 stroke 250 because 125's are like as fast or faster than a 250 XD

[@zacnoding12]

so thats why you get a 250 two stroke for twice that XD

[@FiercefoxProductions]

haha yep pretty much

[@verttisyrjala]

Exactly. 2 strokes are so underrated nowadays. Like i like both, 4 strokes and 2 smokes but cmon, 2 strokes AINT slower!

[@makel12]

people actually like sound of 2 strokes? It sounds like you're riding a weed whacker

[@nicolaschamenko3925]

+Zac Bugg not when you hit the the rev limiter

[@zane4964]

2 strokes sound amazinv

[@Dirtydangles660]

yeah they sound like shit

[@chadvalliere8697]

As opposed to a 4 stroke sounding like someone farting in a 5 gallon bucket after some bad Mexican food?

[@BrentonStammberger]

its not a battle the 4 stroke is doing what its meant to do, beat 2 strokes.

[@FreshWaterJesus]

But the 4stroke lost...

[@BrentonStammberger]

Na Na it just ran out of fuel

[@JamesGingerich]

Actually made me laugh out loud haha

[@BrentonStammberger]

+Truth BeTold 2 vs stone Battle at Redbud Motocross the four stroke all ways wins ;-)

[@BrentonStammberger]

Nice nice

[@jerouparks6570]

this video reminds me of my old school motocross rm125 ..great engine sounds

[@vetb882]

Totally right Hayden, I just want to see 2 strokes racing and competitive again.