Throw away your DAW

Yes, you can make almost anything in a DAW these days, but that doesn't necessarily mean you will. In today's video we take a look at how the limitations of music hardware shaped my latest project, and how the results would have been vastly different had I done it in a computer.
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[@JamesonNathanJones]

Watch me perform the entire EP here if you're into that kind of thing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqC0hmZjaLSIabc

[@synthnerd4539]

Back in the 90s I did everything straight to two track - practice, structure, a hardware sequencer and a couple of synths - I used to draw arrangements on graph paper... and then record it, maybe do a couple of takes, and move on. And then when I started with DAW work I would get very bogged down in detail and repeatability. More recently I've found it very liberating to go back to a 4-track and start with a single synth, take it steady but work quickly - by which I mean, make decisions and stick to them, but don't rush in favour of a poor choice. Put the right stuff down and you don't need to fix it later. So yeah, I absolutely get where you're coming from here.

[@dave3987]

Remembering 8 track recording on a cassette tape and Adat was the standard back then. Then hard drive digital multi track recorders came along good thing about those machines no latency issues!

[@MiskoSchaumov]

I went DAWless on my last album to focus more on my skills as a performer. I recorded each song live to a 2track, which allowed me to say "done" a lot sooner than I would on my DAW. 😂

[@W6EL]

Les Paul once told me that once he had his multitrack working (the 8 track monster developed by Les Paul, intern Ray Dolby, and Ampex), he never had a big hit again. It turns out that the limitations of single track sound-on-sound brought out the ultimate focus and perfectionism in his work. No undo. No extra takes. No mixing afterwards. And remember, most of his sound on sound was with a single tape machine (ie, destructive and permanent overdubbing).

[@dingbatjack1234]

I would say ONLY use your DAW and nothing else( but a MIDI controller). Saves you ALOT of money and you'll still get the benefit of limitations.

[@swanofnutella4734]

I'm a massive fan of creating within constraints. All my best ideas were written with the aid of a very old tablature program called powertabs. ...if you DO indulge in a daw, indulge with purpose, otherwise keeping it simple within a Daw is also possible. ...And if you DO go dawless, do it for the right reasons, not just to be the coolest succulent hipster in the room, but for live rig performance reasons and/or to actually challenge and create ...Jameson you certainly created something special in this EP. I just listened to it 3 times in a row. Excellent work.

[@hi-fiproductions9505]

You articulate yourself really well, your content is engaging & consistent. Having too many options & getting new gear too often, always results in writers block and indecisiveness. Less is more, having a few things you know really well is better than a 100 things you don't.

[@controllerforce_50East]

In my research on entering the DAW era. I get this. I love my old fashion bang on the buttons drum machine. No one who isn't an accomplished musician is gonna like you after viewing this.

[@scasey1960]

As Flaubert said, the work is finished when there nothing left to take away.

[@vraalten]

Again and again I love the questions you pose about the creative process itself. Very inspirational! I am discovering for myself that interesting ambient music is so much more about less is more and certainly not trying to fill up all the space! For sure, all the endless possibilities of nowadays can get overwhelming. In the end of the day, as you say, we have to explore what we love most and come up with our own unique music. Keep up the great work!

[@pauljs75]

The same principle can still be applied to music production on the computer, it's just a matter of adhering to the restraint of whatever self-imposed rule you can come up with. Something simple like five tracks, two effects, and keeping three randomly chosen instruments with the other two being of your choice - might force you to have something interesting if you can stick to it.

[@XanderEwald]

Ultimately, it’s all about the music. Do whatever you need to do to make it happen, but at the end of the day, when I listen to a record, I really don’t care how it was made.

[@leogolive]

Facts

[@GizzyDillespee]

I, however, only consume organic, fair trade, free range gluten-free music. If the artist wasn't home schooled, or at the very worst Waldorf schooled... I just can't listen. Parochial schooled artists have a sheen, and don't get me started on public schooled musicians. If they don't have a trust fund and quality modular analog hardware, then I need some quality outboard to lift the veil.

[@GIANTSKY]

but a strong backstory might enhance the impact of your experience, or no?

[@nopenada3449]

I'm currently collaborating with a friend on a hardware synths only album project. I say hardware synths only, meaning we're using DAWs for effects and recording, but that's it. No soft synths whatsoever. It has forced me to dive deep into programming my synths, which I REALLY love doing.

[@jeffevansmusic]

There is no reason why you cant work in both areas. Hardware sequencers etc or even multitracking and the DAW. Combine and refine them later. Create using both approaches. It only expands or broadens the ideas and where they may come from. One does not have to exclude the other.

[@AntOn-ms5jt]

Excellent subject matter. All beautiful things happen through constraints and limits. A river flowing that is constrained by land, clouds blowing through mountains, or a breath flowing through a flute. Without limits, we can't capture the here and now, because mathematically speaking, a limit is nothing more than a snapshot of something approaching a point in time. Great video!

[@mk1st]

I spend a lot of my day working on a computer so when I go to make music for fun I like NOT doing that. Recently I purchased a Moog Matriarch and I have found great joy in playing it especially because, unlike all my other synths, it doesn't have presets. I find this limitation to be very inspiring, plus I'm learning more about synthesis than I ever have before.

[@henrykuppens9097]

I just started studying music as a hobby (retired) and aiming at creating musical landscapes with synthetic music. It's not an easy task to get a real good understanding of the 'fabric' of music, but it's obvious that one gets nowhere without it. And yes, I discovered the piano as the most comprehensive tool to learn music the right way. I listened to tons of synthesizer music, also to the typical, let's call it "DAW music", you find on the huge festivals. They mostly lack any depth in musical sense, although I do agree that the purpose of these festivals is the atmosphere of emotions, rhythms, and massivness. What you're saying makes a lot of sense to me, so I subscribed.

[@annother3350]

I like the accurately drawn modulation my DAW can offer that my hands just arent capable of. Shaping and perfecting the sound I want. Crafting and building crescendos etc Unless you're squiddly-diddly with 8 hands to tweak things at once, you may want to keep your DAW

[@Berus7777]

NAW. Don't throw away your DAW. Your DAW is how you (probably) are the most productive. Your DAW is passively teaching you about mixing, arranging, and practically every form of music production. Your DAW is how you currently (or eventually?) will record something and SHARE what you've made with others, in a way that can persist past your fever dream of some amazing DAWless performance you're going to put on at your local club (You know, the one where your head is down over your Elektron boxes, your Oxi, and your Perkons, and your hair looks amazing, and you have this amazingly peaceful, calm look on your face sort of like Gillian from New Order, and people in the club are looking at how cool you are and how great your music is and just going "Daaaaaaammmmnnnn, who would've guessed that he/she was this talented!" Yeah - THAT dream - the one where Bo or Cuckoo or Ben Jordan or Venus Theory happen to be at the club that night and walk up to you and say "Amazing set! Would you like to do a collab? You DEFINITELY need your own synth KZbin channel!" Yeah... well, while you're working on that, I would suggest you KEEP your DAW and maybe commit to a goal such as "Finishing my first track" or "Finishing a 4 song EP". Keep the hardware around, because we all love it (God knows, I do), but... NAW. Don't throw away your DAW. When it's all said and done, do what works for YOU and what you ENJOY, but if you USE a DAW, then banishing one of your tools isn't a panacea. It's sort of like burning a book. Use it when and how you want and don't let IT use YOU. Love and respect it as another TOOL - claim the power it gives you, and use it as yet another INROAD to whatever it is that you're trying to express.

[@nerfytheclown]

Its a good position. Myself: when I want to record, I do it on my 24 track. If I care about the outcome, I put the tracks onto Studio 1 and can do literally anything I would like to finish it; but to record into the DAW is a process that gets in the way of actually making music. Cheers.

[@rodnee2340]

🤣 definitely. You summed it up perfectly. You got to love New Order. They are legendary. The DAW is how I learned this stuff and have used it now for about 5 years. I do have gear but I will never stop using my DAW. It's just too much fun and convince.

[@darkmoon_dawg]

THIS. Also, for a lot of us hardware is a *LUXURY*. I started my music journey so poor I didn't even have a bank account. I vowed that I would *only* pay for upgrades to my music set up with money generated from said music. If you make use of free software and a good DAW (even some of the free ones!) - you can make money from no money. Meanwhile, a lot of my other producer friends were buying all these fancy synths and drum machines etc. - spending more then their making from their music and generating far less in finished pieces. I think more common than the DAW getting in the way is the addiction to gadgets and the 'flair' of real time performance

[@Arkansya]

the main message of the video IS more "dont confuse composing and playing with producing and mixing". are you a musician or a producer defines how you will use the daw.

[@Arkansya]

and technically you can absolutely make ppl dance for hours live juste playing one 40 bucks drum bought on craigslist. I did multiple times

[@igmusicandflying]

The moment you pick a tool to create music, you've constrained yourself to the idioms of that tool and your knowledge and skill of that tool. This is a Good Thing. I approach composition very differently depending on when I'm using guitar, bass, keyboard, my Push, or scratching out things in the piano roll. One of my favorite things is to come up with something on one of these things, and then figure it out on another which usually gives me new perspectives.

[@sub-jec-tiv]

I super love a hybrid approach. Tascam Model 16 for recording 2-3 instruments simultaneously. Then kick those stems over to Bitwig for further work. This way is much kicking very yes ass, for me.

[@donaldpriola1807]

Limitations are fun. They force decisions, and more refinement, which we all need. I find myself drifting to various methods. Truth is, I still use a DAW more like a tape recorder anyway.

[@mooted5513]

No they don’t. Lol.

[@donaldpriola1807]

@@mooted5513 Hey, whatever works!

[@dans5529]

@@mooted5513 Yes, they do. Lol.

[@WarrenPostma]

So use your DAW like a tape recorder. Write the rules on a piece of tape and stick them to your computer.

[@StevenDiLeo]

I appreciate the limit yourself perspective. However, i'll be sticking with my DAW, as I give myself limits on each project within the DAW, and that also works very well for me 🙂

[@mszuala]

​@@defcreator187 wtf are you talking about

[@StevenDiLeo]

@@defcreator187 lol, I had no idea my guitars and drums aren't real when I record into a DAW.

[@StevenDiLeo]

@@mszuala pay no attention to the toxic masculine troll ;D

[@smhhms2000]

@@defcreator187 Guys who don’t get girls obsess over what girls like. Jus sayin😊

[@Heathcliff_hensel]

@@defcreator187 Do you even know what a Daw is?

[@rodrigoraynor]

Man thanks so much for sharing this type of content, sometimes we need to think differently to get different results. I always enjoy the topics you push in your videos 🎉.

[@rumplebunny]

I started on analog tape, and though I'm fully in the DAW world now, I do miss those tape days and sometimes think about what it would be like to skip the computer entirely and just build an 8-track reel-based recording setup like I used many times in the past. Bouncing tracks down to free them up is kind of a lost art nowadays I suppose heh. But it's one of those things that makes you stop to really consider and plan things out. A DAW-based setup is quite convenient, but yes the "option anxiety" that can set in can be a creativity killer.

[@minimal3734]

There was a moment when I realized that booting up the computer, starting the software, fiddling around with the mouse and pushing around blocks on the screen annoyed me to the point I almost lost interest im making music. I didn't touch a computer again from then on. I do not aim for perfect productions, I make music for the thrill of it. Synths, samplers and groove boxes are sufficient for me and brought the life back to it.

[@tworoundrobins]

I also remember when thinking making ambient music is just putting a ton of shimmer reverb on whatever signal you are processing...oh, how I was wrong. Thank you for this insightful video!

[@HoopyBooppy]

I'm so glad your videos were suggested to me. It seems that i went on the same path as yours, except that i am a nobody. We have to limit the unlimited possibilities of daws to challenge our creativity, go deeper into the knowledge of a single instrument to extract from it what we have in mind, and sometimes happy mistakes lead us to new ideas, and so on. I started to limit my number of vst's two years ago, and now i know them so that there is alsmost no delay between my idea and the result on the screen. I also have my music ideas with the sounds of my vst, wich is a blessing. What i have in my mind, i will have it in a very short period of time. And if i need something specific upon it, i just have to search for that sepcific vst and just add it to my collection. But the never ending exploration of vst's is over for me. The less the better.

[@raysubject]

Great way to limit yourself, if you are on budged, is to use for making music iPad .. it’s like in between desktop daw and hw gear.. there is definitely lot of limitations, but it’s also pretty powerful - but also it’s somewhere in middle between using just mouse and keyboard and grabbing actual physical knobs - i found the way how i directly interact with apps wirh my fingers much more inspiring than warchinh on monitor and clicking with mouse …

[@gossamyr]

I can't afford an ipad, and something like a circuit tracks gives tactile feedback and it's portable(and I financed that circuit tracks interest free at zzounds, but I couldn't get financing with interest from best buy for an ipad, weird yeah?).

[@raysubject]

@@gossamyr well you can buy old ipad mini, something like 3-4 years old model is still perfectly capable of doing much more than just plain circuit (i had circuit, both og and tracks, loved them too of course) .. ipad mini is more like having multiple gears with ability to connect them in between at you will.. there is even miRack (which is clone of VCV rack - so you can have even modular). Believe me it's great ecosystem.. i use both worlds - ipad and hw synths, both have pros and cons, it 's good to be always opened to posibilities

[@gossamyr]

@@raysubject I'm usually open to things, especially in the idea realm, but I have had to nix certain brands due to their practice as a company(my only voice if I don't like something apple does is not buy apple, which is sad and kinda lame, really). But I remember trying to get one for my kid and I couldn't, so we went kindle, as many do.

[@raysubject]

@@gossamyr there are music apps on kindle ? I thought we are talking about using music apps :) Of course it’s choice of everybody to not use any platform from any reason .. i use ipad for music cause there is fantastic ecosystem of music apps uncomparable to any other hw mobile device, and actually most of those app are made by small indie developers and i am glad i can support them by buying their apps… I use iOs devices for music for more than decade and have great experience with it … i don’t like some things Apple does too, but i am not emotional here, it’s just piece of HW ad every big company does bad things - so as Google, Amazon, etc. But none of them has on their devices such powerfull ecosystem of music apps, so it is what it is … it’s called pragmatism 😂

[@wrmusic8736]

Funny thing is - when I self imposed a 16-track limit on me in my DAW - I started programming much fatter leads, basses and pads using my synths that required no additional layering simply because I couldn't just freely use a ton of tracks for that anymore, as out of those 16 - about 6-8 are easily taken by drums right away leaving little room for other elements. Which led to more thought being put into how any element should sound so it exploits as much sonic space as possible.

[@karlrovey]

Setting well defined limitations for a project is a good practice to encourage creativity. As an organist who is tired of simply giving the bass role to the pedals, I like putting the bass in the LH with an 8' or 16' stop, melody in the pedal with an 8', 4' or 2' solo stop, and a countermelody in the right hand (though I don't maintain a strict trio texture).

[@theclaverman]

Just want to say that I love your channel🥳 I find your viewpoints in this video very interesting. I often ask myself: What`s the reason I always deliever a better performance when playing live(church-organ, piano and synths), with a live audience, rather than recording in the studio? I think this is the reason: "Because I actually have to!!" There is no turning back in a live performance, but as soon as we open ProTools, Logic, Reaper or any other DAW.....we suddenly loose focus, and become somewhat lazy, because what the heck....."Why is this first take important? If I screw up, I can always fix in in the Daw?" "And why is this second take any more important? If I screw up, I can always fix it in the DAW." And why is this third take.....well, you take my point. I would love to go dawless....

[@alfiedotwtf]

That was poetic, and speaks to a lot of truth. De-GAS 🤘

[@wingoshack]

I totally get this. I used Ableton for years like it was an instrument (which it can be), but would often get overwhelmed by the infinite possibilities. Lately I tend to just grab like 2 synths or a synth and drum machine, and just record stuff into a digital recorder with no computer involved. Basically like recording "to tape". Then I'll throw the stereo recording into Ableton for a little mastering, but that's about it. I make things that are less complicated, but more realized. I always just try to do too many things at once in a DAW and end up with a busy and cluttered mess.

[@shanonkiyoshi4784]

🤔🤔🤔 ...I HEAR you... But that's not the DAW's fault.

[@iseeu-fp9po]

Very well put, Jameson. I remember making sketches on a tiny old Boss loopstation and it is some of my best music to date.

[@synthoelectro]

When I started making electronic music I began on Fasttracker II in 1998/1999, before that in 92 it was guitar, but electronic was where I really started getting serious. In those days shortly after, I went 90% hardware driven, Mirage ensoniq DSK 1 sampler, Yamaha DJX 1, Yamaha SY2, and a home made synth from PAIA. So there were great things I could do in 2001 with that setup. I had to move to digital everything in 2009 because I was looking for my sound, and I found in 2013, when using ableton, but now, I long to get back into that, but good thing I own most of the setup.

[@jimmyk9998]

When I was in my early twenties I took my wife to the Huntington library in California. On display were letters written by George Washington. They were beautifully written. Each were well thought out, purposely written. No erasing no adding additional thought. Pure heart felt expression. listen to the Carter family country music recordings. What was captured was pure emotion, pure imperfection. Pure human feeling. What is lost in music today. Every thing is now placed perfectly in place. Devoid of human emotion. Technology can be great. But put 99% of all artist today in front of a wax record recording they could not express themselves. True artistic expression is fading. I long to hear an artist express themselves in a way that will be endearing forever. No overdub no multiple takes just real human emotion.

[@eman0828]

There is no such thing as a DAWless setup. You still need a computer and a DAW to record the outs of your hardware if you are going to distribute your tracks. No one records on tape anymore nor tape is in production anymore. It's obsolete. I moved away from hardware sequencing aftee losing 8 years of beats when the power supply failed on my MPC 5000. This is a well known issue with the 5000 with premature power supply failure due to a faulty design that would overheat. I switched back to DAW sequencing.

[@butsukete1806]

I use 2 hardware sequencers into VCV Rack and record with either the builtin record module or OBS. Did your old sequencer not allow you to make backups of the projects? Always have at least two copies of anything you want to keep, preferably in different physical locations.

[@eman0828]

@@butsukete1806 There's no point because the hardware was faulty by design. It made no sense to fix it and put a used power supply in it because I would be putting the same shit right back in there that's faulty. I bought my MPC 5000 back in 2012 and then started going into a bootloop in 2020. I searched online and discovered it's a known problem with a lot of MPC5000 users. It's just cheaply made mass produced products by Numark/InMusic. The modern MPCs aren't even made by Akai as Akai Professional went out of business in the early 2000s. I basically gotten burned. It's just the Aka brand just stamped on them made by an entirely different company. I took a hammer whacked it a few times and thrown it away outside in the dumpster 5 months ago. I mean Making beats on hardware is a bit dated workflow by today's standards. I switched out my workstation keyboards with rack mount sound module versions of them that I have hooked to my MOTU MIDI interface. I sequence all the MIDI in Studio One. I'm basically Hybrid that uses both VST soft synths and hardware Rompler Synthesizer sound modules as my legacy hardware collection. I'm now to two Roland Midi controllers and the Atom drum pad controller that replaced my MPC.

[@eman0828]

@@butsukete1806 Plus sequencing an entire track on hardware is a pain in the asss when it comes to peice the entire track in a linear arrangement such as intro, verse, pre-chours, hook. Bridge... that takes way too long diving into tedious menus on a tiny as screen and button. The DAW experience is far superior and much more powerful. It way faster and I can peice an entire track in a song format arrangement with in mins not hours. Hardware sequencing is only good for making 8 bar Loops and for live performance not songs. Another thing is you can't properly name your project files on hardware due to the lack of qwerty keyboard. There is no search feature nor you can name your MIDI tracks if each instrument patch you use. You can do of that in a DAW.

[@enzocarranza]

conoci tu canal hoy y ya me vi como 20 videos, la calidad del contenido es increíble. Muchas gracias bro!!

[@SourceVibrations]

it is the case though that the experience of creating in time and by interacting with instruments directly is far more conducive to a greater quality music, learning and ultimately a deeper level of fulfillment.

[@Thesignalmusic]

It all depends on the person and what contraption gives them the most creative ideas.

[@TilliKommunikation]

Great piece, very important points here.

[@johnviera3884]

Nothing better for ambient music than a 65 DB noise floor

[@SynthsNoTalking]

I am going to be honest. My best two albums even as an experienced synthesist, were the albums were synths were barely present and I focused on the string instruments I play: bass guitar, upright bass, electric guitar, and cello. I only allowed myself one synth track and only used one synth. The first of these two specific albums one only had synths on two songs, the second I used it throughout the album but it was one very simple synth...the Lyra 8. I love synths...and have many. But I also recognize the power of limiting oneself to a single concept. Next album is all synths. But the one after I am stripping it down again. Acoustic upright bass and electric piano or organs. Limitations can be great. Developing a musical voice no matter what is in your hands is essential to being a good musician.

[@nous2658]

No way on God’s green earth I’ll be getting rid of my DAW, but I 100% agree that limitations are where it’s at. As long as you continually develop a mindset for crafting music, then each track added has to have a distinct purpose. Having a large library of sounds just gives me that many more starting points for a song to be born.

[@cheslinscheepers2547]

😂

[@babyzorilla]

The Idea factory has always and will always be the human mind. DAW is just the output.

[@cheslinscheepers2547]

@@babyzorilla Facts the DAW is just the means of expression.

[@skooliganwtf5592]

MPC Live Standalone + midi keyboard >> from idea>>> finished product eg M & M ( mix n master). Thanks for your insight.

[@shawncamp333]

your song adrift is phenomonal. the overall sound and how your page looks is art. You are an artist

[@GordonBBB123]

Cheers to these concepts, another great video :)

[@sinefabula]

I love adhering to some self-imposed constraints. Like, one of my favourite things to do is to make a whole track using only one sample and any effects that I want. Besides being a great sound design exercise, it is paradoxically a very liberating process which basically strips away all your choices you do not have to make anymore - now you have to look for ways to reach your goal rather than looking for goals to reach, given a (practically unlimited) set of tools and sounds. Such tracks do not come out great every time - but every time it's fun and every time you learn something. Another thing I like to do (and am basically doing all the time) is using mostly stock Ableton tools. I very much like Live's minimal interface and I'm always very reluctant to 'pollute' it with some third-party plugin. Yes, that's maybe my OCD speaking here but still it helps keep plugin clutter to a minimum. And as an added bonus, I know the stock plugins pretty well which also keeps things flowing. As for NOT doing something inside a DAW, today I sampled my Korg Monotron Delay (which BTW never ceases to surprise me), and after watching your video I realised I WOULD NOT make these sounds in Live. I certainly COULD if I was asked to, but I just wouldn't. Because I would make something else, something Live, for me, is more conducive to.

[@nsbd90now]

I'm just a home hobbyist, but going back to four-track cassette mixers and Voyetra software on 5 inch floppies. I have Ableton, but I'm now all about having wonderful hardware synths that I just pretty much enjoy in the moment stream-of-consciousness personal enjoyment without even bothering to record.

[@DrNIx123]

When Berlin School electronic music was young, it was all DAW-less. Live sequencing and playing, recorded multi-track. One could do this still today, using a DAW as a simple multitrack recorder. But this requires to resist the digital temptations.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Lots of people claim Dawless but then use a device like a groove box who's software is a DAW, so are not. I used Reason 4 from 2007 all the way up to 2022 when I upgrade to 12, most of the stuff I do in 12 with 30 plus different devices could of been done with just Reason 4 devices, infact a substantial part of Reason 12 stuff I dont even use as I just keep using the vertion 4 stuff all the time. I payed £80 for a strings device add on and it's been used once because for strings I use the device they was in Reason 1.0 lol.

[@davidbock201]

"When your bones are good"... kind of says it all. As I'm learning, I'm finding that I like playing the instruments. I'm still not sure what my personal intentions are, but I'm liking the trip. I just need more hands. Nice messaging in your vid.

[@michaelrice8390]

My workflow has always been based more on playing instruments and basically improvising in real time and recording quickly with little editing afterwards. Back in the 90's I recorded on my synth's sequencer then put that on tape. Later I switched to DAWS but as life got busy, I focused on getting stuff down quick and dirty, figuring I can get back to it and make it nicer later. (That actually doesn't tend to happen.. I start more than I finish and always tend to favor coming up with new stuff to polishing up things that could be better). I think my strengths in improvisation and composing on the fly come across a lot better live than in recordings. I helps when people can SEE that you're winging it and doing well, whereas in DAW world it's more about meticulously crafting every detail.. I see the difference kind of like that between making a speech on the fly and reading one. The written one will usually be more logically and grammatically correct, and say more precisely what was intended --- but it will also SOUND like you're reading it, and the feelings expressed will probably be expressed LESS effectively than if you just talked off the cuff, even if people see you at a loss for words.

[@stenlyspa1325]

I wish one day to be so skillful to be able to just record something and have it perfect in the frequency spectrum exactly as it should! just i can only wish one day...

[@Gosuminer]

I think a good approach is to explicitly alter phases of enriching your music and stripping away elements that are not in line with what you want to express. This forces you to think about where you want to go and gives the music more focus while not sounding thin and basic.

[@resynthesizer4565]

Just about done with my dawless setup. Vintage digital/analog synths sequenced by an MMT-8 or cakewalk for DOS. Track to Tascam DMP-8 or ADATS . Will eventually master to a 3 head cassette, CDR or Hi-Fi VHS.. Haven't figured pout the workflow for mix yet. First impression is this. Most tracks are done in one shot/live. That means I have to practice. A lot. Also, it requires a lot of planning.

[@fentonsparks1]

This is a thought/discipline/system/method...etc. proviking topic. When focusing on being just a listener, I agree that the methods used to create it (music) are not important enough to sway whether or not I like it. Fair enough for the listener. In the case of the musician and I will speak from being one personally, and as a friend/colleague of hundreds of other musicians nation wide, I will say that we came through that way of just being "listeners" to LEARNING the SWEET SCIENCE OF SOUND! As children, we just utter sounds. Having no understanding of "music" other than womb to world sounds. As we grew, we heard melodies in nature, in media devices of the times (radio, TV, records, tapes, computer devices internal and external...etc.), and social performances that occurred. We became inspired by the musical sounds we heard to choose to create these sounds maybe even as a career choice. We chose an instrument that we either liked to hear, or saw someone perform on and was further inspired. We questioned what it took to learn the instrument, and jumped into the process. Let me make brief this potential documentary. That was the way we learned. Today, I the shadow of technology, we have given up the opportunity to learn to become, and have embraced "I need to become, NOW! Whether I am not qualified, skilled, educated or motivated is irrelevant. I can be whoever I want to be without learning how to be. Just get the chord pack and you to can be a star! There will be a fall of those who don't know and fake like they do. this has proven itself throughout time. Just let the right question be asked and the lack of knowledge will reveal itself. I leave you with this, Jameson Nathan Jones has a great point. Less is more when you understand the real value of the "less" you posses. C.S.U.!

[@delscoville]

I want to be able to play music without a computer or DAW, but when it comes to figuring out a composition and recording, I still use a DAW. Ableton Live has changed that a bit, though. It sort of does what my motif does, make start phrases and put them together in different ways. But it's much easier to use, especially with something like a Novation LaunchPad. But instead of recording MIDI I'm recording sound from the synths. But, it is nice to use MIDI at first just to edit and finalize, then once there, practice on the synths. Can accomplish a lot with splitting the MODX keyboard for stabs/pads and lead, and recording bassline on the Pro 3, and a little Volca Drum for beats.

[@nerfytheclown]

Proper discussion on the topic, bro. Ril gud.

[@bricelory9534]

Thank you for this great essay - I am encouraged to re-learn the art of rehearsal. It's something that consumed my life as I studied cello, but as I move to electronic music production, I've been less inclined to it, and that's to my detriment. Thank you!

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Thanks Brice! Yeah it’s easy for me to forget that a lot of the same concepts apply.

[@stephenlewis9159]

I find that when my brain is in creative improvising mode, it does not remember what I was playing 5 seconds ago, instead its constantly thinking about where I am going to go next. So I bought a massive Korg sampling keyboard workstation with built-in sequencer. That kept me going for 10 years but finally I discovered like you that I was spending to much time fiddling in the tech and not enough time improving the performance. The tech was necessary for grabbing the ideas. But for recording, I have made a concerted effort to learn to play every piece / track myself perfectly and record pure audio instead.

[@AustrianSynthesizerSchool]

Composer, musician and conductor are very different professions, which are not mixed with each other even in traditional music. A composer doesn't need anything more than a keyboard and a piece of paper. Musician is a craft that consists of translating what is written on the paper into music. A computer can do that better. A conductor gives character to the music. Nowadays he doesn't need an orchestra anymore, just a DAW. It is your decision, which profession is yours.

[@midialchemy]

BTW Huge fan, love the channel! I totally agree and I've been doing that now for about 25 ish years now. Having to deal with a lot of push back from traditionalists that remark on well you can't get a quality recording out of a one take session...BS! It just takes practice and the recording aspect is the same as the performance, where all the moves need to planned to happen. And if it doesn't happen on the first take, you play to the end like in a live performance and do it again until the performance hits the mark. For me doing music that way grew out of necessity when my life and day (20yrs in the military) job left very little time record traditionally. I would get frustrated not having anything to show for my time in the studio. I started recording my sessions, and then decided I wanted to make them more productive so I would think about what I was going to work on in between sessions and focus on the individual elements of what would be needed for the final recorded one take. When our youngest passed, it became therapy, for me. So then I wasn't as stressed about getting anything recorded because my brain was broken and just playing music was what I needed to heal. I haven't had a computer that could drive my DAWs like Audacity reliably beyond a stereo recording at 44.1 16bit until very recently, so that had been the limiting factor. The video below is in my studio back in 2015 my first attempt try to unsequence my formerly sequenced songs and video record the performance of my songs so that the audience understood what they where hearing. It would take a while to configure my setup to accommodate regions of keyboard space for different tracks from the original, and then setting up the drums to change with what I was playing so that it would ebb and flow with the changes. I think this is a natural way to record music, and I am with you on this endeavor. Thank you for what you do, thank you for your honest approach to what you share and being true to yourself. Hope you like the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIS1oJhsacqVhdU

[@AndyIntharaphithak]

Dawless lets you focus on creating sounds using your ears instead of your eyes, we end up with end product sounds pleasing the ear when we create music by listening more

[@dinsfire8489]

Limits breed creativity. Using multiple instances of 1-2 VSTs is one of the best ways to create cohesion between your tracks.

[@wastepreserve]

love your take on how powerful subtraction can be thanks for that

[@MEANASSJAMSTER]

I passed my Drama practical using my dads reel-to-reel and a few goodies... - I now have a DAW desk but see your point about working outside it to create sounds = just need a good portable sound recorder... - a good WAV editor does do a lot of things, - the DAW desk can be fired up, - but only if really needed... I used to have it on all the time and just use it as a mixer for my home audio ...with rising electricity costs such luxuries are not affordable = I don't let my DAW drink my beer money and wear it's HDD out any more...

[@bobby_summerfield]

"The Power Of Limitations" = Limitations are the mother of creativity.

[@greycell2442]

My example is FL Studio. There are ~3 ways to do any one task; it's beyond tabula rasa. It forces you to create rules for yourself. That DAW simply has too many volume knobs in the way, with high risk of digital artifacts. I switched to ReNoise tracker for low latency on programmed music, but it really forces me to think differently. I think once people buy their first reverb rack and multitracker, they will realize what they've been missing.... freedom from your OS and an ocean of crappy VSTs. Separate your sound design and sampling process from recording and mastering.

[@shanonkiyoshi4784]

🤔 ...Maybe this video is for the kids that don't know any better, but I've been making music the HARD way since 1978 with 2 synced 4-Tracks which basically gave me 8 mono tracks, or 4 stereo tracks, which could only be BOUNCED 3 times before the Noise Floor became unbearable 🤦‍♂️🤬🤦‍♂️ Back then I had a studio full of hot, temperamental drum machines, keyboards, synthesizers, outboard gear, pedals, and a tangle of cables that hummed & buzzed no matter what I tried. MOTU's midi clock was buggy @ best. And miking my drum kit was a NIGHTMARE. I honestly PRAYED for the day of ENDLESS STEREO TRACKS & RETURNS, Virtual Instruments, & ZERO Noise Floor... 🙏 NOW that I'm in Ableton I'm in absolute HEAVEN -- having REPLACED ALL my old power-hungry analog gear with VSTs that fit MIRACULOUSLY inside my laptop! No more BUZZING cables! No more INSANELY EXPENSIVE electric bills! No more miking live Instruments! 💸💸💸 Kids these days have NO IDEA how BLESSED they are to have these tools & technology. It used to be $10,000 MINIMUM to get into the bare-bones "home recording" game. Now it costs hardly anything & the tools @ our disposal are MIND-BLOWING 🤯 SPECTRAL audio tools didn't exist 10 years ago. This is truly an AMAZING time to be a Creator!!! ✨️🎉✨️ I enjoy your channel & if you want to do things the Hard Way, more power to you! But THIS is EXACTLY the Setup I've WISHED for ... and I'm NEVER going back 😂😎👍🎶🎉

[@obscuremusik8900]

Agreed, I'm also old enough to remember what production used to be like using all hardware, it was slow, monotonous, very expensive and frustrating. Now I have nuendo, unlimited tracks, instruments, fx and samples to bend to my will. Now thanks to apps like rx10 I can digitally extract the vocals or bass line from a song in minutes, try that in 1989 lol I get that people want a challenge or perhaps get a touch of nostalgia or even rose tinted glasses over hardware but going backwards to fo forward makes no sense to me. We have tools that our musical "ancestors" would have killed for, I am going to make the most of it. Each to their own I guess.

[@shanonkiyoshi4784]

@@obscuremusik8900 ABSOLUTELY 💯 to ALLLLL of that -- ESPECIALLY RX10 and other tools our "musical ancestors" would've KILLED for ✨️🎶🤩👍🎶✨️ + "try THAT in 1989" = 😂🤣😂

[@obscuremusik8900]

@@shanonkiyoshi4784 bless up 🙏👊

[@johnunkerman]

In music (as with comments), most often “less is more”. However sometimes “more is more”. Knowing when comes with experience and maturity.

[@nast-enola]

Portable Cassette Recorder, That's how I started. ( I carried extra tapes and batteries everywhere.) LOL !!

[@TommyLoaded]

Done and done. Looking forward to watching this on my phone and justifying my decision to throw away my computer based on a KZbin video title.

[@sonusaurelius6576]

I love your videos man, but whenever I watch you I can’t get Billy Bob Thornton out of my head. And then you make me think and I am reminded again why I love your channel!

[@jackbenimble376]

In ancient Rome There was a poem About a dog Who found two bones He picked at one He licked the other He went in circles He dropped dead

[@wastepreserve]

loved your take on how powerful subtraction can be thank you

[@fallprecauxionsmusic]

just in case the tongue-in-cheek humor escapes anyone... mister jones is obviously joking about "throw away your DAW." I do find that I work very differently in & out of the box. & I enjoy both the process & the results in both scenarios. as always, your thoughts on all this, mister jones, are compelling & inspiring. a thousand thanks to you & everybody else here who are sharing their takes on all this jazz....

[@grrinc]

After 20 years, I've returned to the synth scene. But purely as a hobby. No daw this time, just a simple miniature synth that I'm squeezing all sorts of fun out of. The lack of choice is liberating. Wish I never got wrapped up in daws all those years ago. They just ate away at my time and spontaneity.

[@GG-zv9ku]

Music making is just a hobby to me and I got limited time to do it with family and full time job. So a simple MacBook Air with some nice headphone (new macs support high impedance headphones) it’s all I need. Would be nice if it was my main gig

[@hotrodjones74]

A DAW can be an empowering tool for home recording, but using it in a limited way with only real instruments and limited multi-tracking is the ideal state. I say this as a guitar player. Basically you can record a whole rock band efficiently at home vs costly studio recording sessions, that ultimately use similar tools. BTW a one mic in the middle of the room and Audacity set up is simply a digitized version of old school garage band recording techniques. The authenticity isn't necessarily lost in this case.

[@GregRband]

Wow, this is just the second video of yours I've seen, and the first just yesterday (Anyone can make electronic music). Both related and super relevant to modern music production and lovers/learners of doing so..... I feel like this video here is like a Musical Church Sermon.... Incredibly good and DEEP to ponder and also to help heal things that may get in the way, regardless of where at in the process or in the learning (Humble long term home studio learner here). Thank you so much! This will be watched over and over at times for me. Subscribed! Cheers!

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Thanks Greg! Welcome!

[@wilkopiano]

DAWs are limitless which is a problem in itself. But this is why looping in session mode with ableton is the DAW that inspires creativity. I have no plans to get rid of ableton ever. Also, it massively helps if you are an established grade 8 pianist who perfectly understands what performance on a single instrument should sound like.

[@mmckmusic]

Microtonic, nice

[@JayfkProductions876]

Dawless = More expensive More Limited More finicky Although at the end of the day how get to the end result doesn't matter so long as your happy with said end result..

[@orangerooster73]

I'm not a DAW person, never been for me. I love the challenge of having to play and learn each part myself instead of just letting the computer do it for me. The other day I was practicing a piece and made a mistake in the chord progression and was like, wow do that again and it lead to a whole unique transition that never would have happened if I was just dragging and dropping sections. If that's how people create and they enjoy it cool, that's what makes music so great. different ways and different results

[@Heathcliff_hensel]

DAW's dont write your music for you though.

[@kennethsmith1453]

Hey Jameson , great video! Your insights resonate with me. I’m in that same space. The ‘ endless possibilities “ of DAWs ultimately drove me nuts 😂!!! Audition, Audition, Audition, add, add,add, effects that do “ everything “ , graphics for everything!…It can become all about your eyes and not your ears!!…I’m not giving up the DAW completely but when I do use it , I will keep it simple 😊. I too go back to “ before there were DAWs”. I’m now learning the MPC. I work with a Yamaha S90sx and an MPC one. I’ll play parts and get creative with samples. That’s it! There’s no huge screen to look at so I must use my ears…I believe limitations will actually liberate your creativity….btw, contrary to what many people believe, you can do a lot of styles of music using an MPC or other hardware set ups

[@TruthSeekerAi]

i love hands on i loved midi and keyboards old mac g4 os9 and digi001 i love all from that time it calls me no matter if i have it all today but i loved that time of making music it was my greatest time coming from tape to digital

[@CatFish107]

I stumbled kinda backwards into using vcv rack in the manner you describe. Trying to learn a daw feels too much like learning to use spreadsheets. I was far more curious about plugging in wires and experimenting with sounds and what all those nifty looking modules do. I have no clue how to multitrack. I just mix stuff in the "rack", and record the final stereo output. I have piles of experiments, soundscapes, drum beats, and a couple free soundclouds full of tracks recorded that way. Fun and rewarding. Perhaps not very listenable, but I'm enjoying learning.

[@EUZRMUSIC]

"The most memorable melodies and ideas can withstand being stripped away to their core elements. If the bones are good, you've probably got something that can withstand variation and development down the road." YES. THIS. : )

[@thierrythierry1013]

Back to guitar, pen and paper too. Bought a Tascam Model 12 for recording.

[@alexandermikrievskij5332]

I share your opinion and expiriences 100%, dude 😊

[@sawssman965]

I really enjoy your videos. Keep doing you, my g. You seem like you would be a major asset to work with.

[@michaelkonomos]

Very cool to hear about the ideas behind this. Thank you for sharing! I didn’t even know when I heard the EP that this is how you made it!

[@JamesonNathanJones]

🙏🙏

[@rodnee2340]

I disagree. I love my gear. But I made more music on my DAW when I had no gear. And the ONLY gripe with that was no real analog sounds. So I then got a grandmother. And it's fantastic but I spent $800 on it. I can get Serum for $150 and I will never need another synth. You can make almost any sound possible with it or something similar Hive 2 for instance. And on top of that I now have a gas problem (not that I'm complaining). And I still use may DAW to mix. And Serum usually finds itself on most of my music. To go DAWless requires expence and you will inevitably be less productive.

[@nerfytheclown]

Your first two words let me know that you didn't watch the video before forming an opinion, nor did you then watch and amend your comment. So, I watched it veggie commenting here, and, lo and behold! Your argument makes no sense in the context of the video. Quit being a child on the internet and grow up. No one needs your uninformed opinion.

[@Berus7777]

Well said. See my comment above.

[@rodnee2340]

@@n00dl3 I didn't see the comment you were commenting on. So I thought for a second you were referring to me lol. So thanks for sticking up for me. I hope I was not being toxic myself. I'm not one to mince my words though. I would love to have seen this comment but you must have shamed them into deleting it because I don't see it. 🤣 Thanks though.👍

[@nerfytheclown]

@@n00dl3 ...you haven't the first clue what toxic means, young person.

[@rodnee2340]

@@nerfytheclown so what did you say out of interest because I can't see your original comment?

[@mauchkimberly]

Lovely! People do excellent things with DAWs, no question. But I like working within self imposed parameters too sometimes. Both are good.

[@seapeas3503]

One of the best talks on this subject I ever heard

[@brianbergmusic5288]

Limitations breed creativity and or invention. It is an attractive small room to lock one's self in. Ironically, the type of DAW-less setup that I sometimes romanticize from afar is a lot more than my budget can allow.

[@catoleg]

Recently I bought SP-404 MKII sampler, and indeed, because of its limitations, I managed to compose about 10 tracks in very short time. Obviously these tracks are not that polished as when the a DAW is used. But this is the beauty that result is kind of rough. Love it

[@AndrewJohnClive]

Once again Jameson. Love you Chanel and have done so for probably a year now..❤🙏🏻

[@JamesonNathanJones]

🙏🙏