A Dangerous Fantasy! How To Know if You're Trapped!

[@tinheadot]

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[@JungToLiveBy]

Cheers Oliver Tinsley your kind comment and support, is very much appreciated. Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline 🙏🙏

[@s39020]

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[@JungToLiveBy]

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[@TurtlePower718]

I concur

[@nathanwilliams-prince3127]

I really appreciate again the description of Steve's incremental and respectful approach to communicating with the psyche on a deeper level. Also Dr. Goodwyn's prompts and his ability to translate and update understanding of theory and techniques are excellent. Thank you both for sharing this conversation

[@JungToLiveBy]

Thanks Nathan Williams-Prince, I'm glad that its contributed to your in-going growth as a professional. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@JungToLiveBy]

‘Rage’ is a Pankseppian Instinct, it’s upstream of Meta-Instincts. Driving is too recent a ‘scenario’ to act as a human-Meta Instinct. The Rage is because the driving environment lacks a summating instinctive, narrative context, of it’s own. It does however manifest various fragmented scenarios, that (can) coalesce into a ‘road-rage’ expression of a basic, emotional system. A Complex can readily form around a Pankseppian instinct that has no innate (as yet) context. You could usefully work on identifying what triggers your road-rage state and then back engineer from that, the fragmented Meta-Instincts that power the Complex. Kindest Regards, Steve

[@theimaginarium]

Thanks Nathan--I love these discussions with Steve.

[@Calgiey]

Brilliant conversation. The insight in this video is like a warm wave of relief. Thankyou all for your time.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Thanks Calgie, really appreciate your thoughful comment, Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏

[@Zach0451]

Always refreshing to see how open Goodwyn is to new ideas, and his willingness to syncretize.

[@theimaginarium]

I always go into any discussion like this hoping to learn something new. Fortunately Steve and Pauline have fantastic content to share, so I'm glad to syncretize my material whenever possible :). The psychotherapy world really needs their insights, imo, and I plan to facilitate that.

[@tuwheratiaihaka2744]

Great video guys, and great to see you Dr. Goodwyn again. Even just the general notion of indulging in fantasy without even a specific genre you love, but a constant indulgent of movie/tv show clips from your favourite movies is suffice t enough to keep you trapped within fantasy, and stay away from the real world. Many gurus believe that it’s dopamine that is problem, and why we’re hooked to our devices, but it’s symbolic. It’s not a pathway because it’s far too collapsed to even consider, but instead, if we collapse into the proper context of what the movie/tv show we consume is, we start to get into the meta-instincts and the instincts itself draw our attention away from fantasy and back into everyday life. It’s just the proper context of a persons everyday life is so massive, there are so many things happening on a BioPsychoSocial scale, that the context and meaning of ones life has not been met, and instead, the libido of an individual will flow towards fantasy as a container, instead of things that give the individual purpose and meaning. Until the meaning is met, the individual will be stuck. Not not to become too judgemental, they’ll be stuck in a degrading system that will collapse and will no longer be able to sustain them self. I think of Avengers Infinity War, when Thanos snaps half of the universe to dust. ‘Imagine a’ an individual so entrapped within fantasy that they become dusted away from reality, and if ever a real life situation were to happen that was similar to Thanos, they’d think that there would be a part 2 to the story, but that’s it, your story’s over because you haven’t adapted to life. Great video guys 🙏

[@JungToLiveBy]

Cheers Tuw, great observations, very much appreciated. Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏

[@theimaginarium]

Great to share thoughts and theories with Steve and Pauline :)

[@johnjackson7590]

Great video as always. It's very useful to be reminded that the Psyche prefers incremental progress.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Thanks John Jackson, your comment is very much appreciated. Yes, it does, and collaboration follows, if we apply that principle. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@bigsky4123]

Wonderful. This distinction is incredibly helpful. What’ a pitfall to practice to be lost in a maze by reinforcing fantasy!

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi Richard Ray, thank you for your comment and your support for the channel. We’ll be going into more depth on this distinction very soon. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@itsmenerdi]

Great conversation, thanks guys

[@JungToLiveBy]

Thanks Bram, very much appreciated. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@johnbrancato495]

Fantastic video! It's great to see these approaches coming together and how you both "translate between each of your languages. Working with the unconscious is most definitely something to get used to, but it is so powerful. IPSA's approach, and by the looks of it, Dr. Goodwyn's approach as well, are such an incredible modalities in the midst of the popularity of "ego- reductive" models.

[@Yacobo_]

Great discussion! Was interesting to hear about how trauma can reduce one's ability to utilize imagination, as if complexes get in the way of accessing it. Thank you both for sharing all this information 🙏

[@JungToLiveBy]

Blessings, Yacobo, very much appreciate your comments and support. Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏

[@amarilismelendez7878]

Very interesting conversation, I remember the discussion about zombies one time during my hischool days and ever since the bathsalt incident that I think it occurred in Florida, I knew it was just an incident that really messed with the man and the traumatic incident to the victim and everyone exposed in its vicinity. This caused my friends from highschool to start an organization in case there was sort of a zombielike virus spreading. So far imagination played out more than fantasy, preparing scenarios in which were useful for other purposes than what was intended. Kinda like a Doomsday cults, in which one actually prepares for something that may happen but not as the way doomsday cults would expect which is what too magical and spontaneous rather than base occurrences in a domino like effect. It goes like it says, the clock is set, and the genome will anticipate. Not to claim or disclaim anything that was mentioned, allow it to be played in the probability of said possibilities. Hope this get's across through other medium or channels as recommendations. Its been very informative and engaging. Cheers.

[@theimaginarium]

Glad you liked it!

[@carlosrollano2641]

Very usefull to hear a conversation between two similar points of view, found it very refreshing. Great work Steve and proffesor Goodwin, thank you both 🙌

[@JungToLiveBy]

Thanks Carlos Rollano, it’s a joy to talk with Professor Goodwyn, whose work Pauline and I have long admired. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@theimaginarium]

You're welcome :)

[@TrinityForceOne]

Normally I would say this is a fascinating discussion, but considering the topic maybe I should start using different terms. Perhaps eye-opening is a better way of saying it.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Cheers, Banal Vulgarian, very much appreciated. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@theimaginarium]

That's great to hear!

[@jamesdrew6024]

As concise an insight into the mechanics and teleology of hypnotherapy as you are likely to find. Thank you.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Blessings James, its our pleasure to share the journey with you. Kindest Regfards, Steve and Pauline

[@outsiderofficialmusic]

I’m actually living in the village that was BallyKissAngel.. it’s called AVOCA and it’s in Ireland. Steven should visit. It’s beautiful

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi again Outsider Official, that sounds like a very good idea. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@ernestberry-songsrestored5637]

Thank you. Very interesting and certainly resonates with my own experiences. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on what schizophrenia is in terms of your modelling of the psyche?

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi, Ernest Berry-Songs Restored, thanks for yur kind comment, I'll suggest to Professor Goodwyn, that we discuss this, as I'm sure it would be of interest, inclusing the viewpoint taken by Professor Goodwyn as a psychiatrist and deptrh-psychologist, of a Jungian orientation. Kindest Regards, Steve Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@ernestberry-songsrestored5637]

@@JungToLiveByThank I would greatly look forward to that discussion. ❤️🙏

[@theimaginarium]

I agree--great question. We'll have to put it on the list!

[@paulmessis1094]

Steve, as a music fan, what would you say happened with Syd Barrett? Did he go too far into fantasy?

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi paul messis, he died tragically young, and was without doubt multi-modally creative. Where true creatives are concerned, it’s always best to honour and acknowledge the boundaries they extend on behalf of us all. Sometimes, this compromises others, and his story with Pink Floyd suggests it may have been that way for them. Thank you for the thoughtful comment, much to reflect upon in there. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@NerisX]

I noticed that I have problem with my creativity. Lately on my cognitive-behavioral therapy I realised that it is very difficult for me to imagine myself as an independent adult who doesn't have to rely on his parents (I am 31 years old with a part-time job in my father's office - he is an auditor, I live in Poland) and that I don't see myself having a normal job that I would accept or if lucky interested in field of my job. It made me really sad, even now it moves me and makes my eyes wet. It is really frustrating for me to not know what to do and in what direction I would want to go at this stage of my life. I guess I will have to pick any full time job that I will be willing to accept in 2023 because otherwise I will be stuck in this stage forever.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi again @NerisX, being 'stuck' in a stage, can seem like time slows down, but with the neurotic paradox (a division that our occupies attention by our collapse into polarity) that we are also aware, that time is acelerating, outside of our induced cognitive-loop. The right releationship to the whole informational-field, that is a human being and their extended context, is not cognitive. 'Behavioutal' is better, as at least that involves 'action'. However, action without a proper relationship to a context, lacks meaning. Meaning, ultimately, is decisive. Cognition, from the perspective of meaning, is an 'after-thought.' This is leterally so, at the nerilogical level, as affect is an independent qualia of consciousness, that processes faster than cognition. CBT therapists rarely understand that affect is conscious. They most often consign it as 'irratioinal' and focus on the downstream manifestation of cognition, as being both a sympton, and its own cause. That's a mistake. What most people need, is a relationship to meta-instincts - that is - the anticipated context(s) for their life-span development. Drive-states, emerge from the genome, and manifest as 'Pankseppian' instincts. Pankseppian instincts, without an approriate context, lead to agitation, and from there to frustration, and various sequale, follow on from that. Context is everything, as context, as a whole-understanding, of the superpositioned nature of human life, and function gives us everything we need to optimally adapt. Kindest Regards, Steve

[@NerisX]

@@JungToLiveBy Thank you for response. As not native speaker I have some problems with understanding what means word "context" here because it seems that it has some specific meaning here. Google translate says "the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed" but in this situation it doesn't fit I think. It would be great to get an example of "a proper relationship to a anticipated context/meta-instinct for life-span development". I have been stuck since 2014 when I didn't finish my studies (2011-2014) and then I was trying to finish them until 2018 when I finally gave up and since then I didn't decide "what next" (I explained it in e-mail message which have title "Please forward to Steve and Pauline" which I sent on your contact e-mail few weeks ago because I was asked to do it in comments under "Healing the Father Wound: Before it's too late" video). I think that I can kinda understand how Pankseppian instincts work, I am at the point of agitation (which expresses as anxiety) and frustration (lack of ideas about direction in life and fear before trying anything - both job related decisions) Maybe I will get the meaning of context in this situation if I finally read your book "Discover Your Personal Myth - Ultimate Handbook" which is waiting on my desktop.

[@outsiderofficialmusic]

I presume when Eckharte Tolle refers to the ego he does not really understand the ego accurately and is actually referring to inflation or various complexes??

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi again, Outsider Official. The term Ego, as used here, refers to psychodynamic modelling, derived directly from the work of Pierre Janet, Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud, with contributions from contemporary Neuropsychoanalysis (Solms). The use of ‘Ego’ derived as a translation from Hindu and Buddhist terminology (for example) disguises the fact that the terms don’t translate into say Western Depth Psychology. This obvious error is routinely overlooked, as people insist that the borrowing of the Western term means the same ‘thing in itself as the Eastern does. ’ So, each system defines ‘Ego’ contextually and won’t always mean the same thing. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@outsiderofficialmusic]

@@JungToLiveBy great answer! Thank you!

[@JungToLiveBy]

🙏 Respect to you, Outsider Official, Kindest Regards, Steve🏛

[@lexiconartist5004]

What do you guys think of this seemingly strange synchronicity?... On the night the Dobb's decision was announced (that overturned Roe v Wade), an alignment could be seen of the planets. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fH6TqWmne7qAsLs --at 2:55 it is mentioned here

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi again LexiCon Artist, synchronicity is a 'meaningful coincidence' at lewast by one of Jung's definitions for it, so if a Jungian perpsective is taken, then your experience certainly wualifies as such. Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏

[@Oneilblueraystarseedgnosis8389]

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[@ejenkins4711]

American pyche is more mechanical than british rigidity

[@JungToLiveBy]

If the ‘psyche’ is overwhelmingly determined by a mono-culture, or by inflexible genetic/epi-genetic factors, that somehow could override a variegated gene pool, with tiered levels of cultural identification, then it may be possible to collapse into regional or nationalistic stereotypes. The whole point of depth psychology is to get beyond such collapses, and the ubiquitous ‘suggestions’ that are used to manipulate populations by capturing and then corrupting, instinct.

[@NerisX]

I really dislike everything about zombies (movies, games etc.). I just can't stand it for some reason. I avoid everything that has zombies in it.