Don't farm these Artifact sets for your DPS!

[@jamiekb9v]

EDIT: On second thought I believe I could have made a mistake on some of the issues presented for childe and nymphs dream regarding setups restricting buffs. Luckily, the overall point can still stand that it's underwhelming as an upgrade and generally not worth farming. But if you're interested you can snag a 2pc hydro 15% from there. as mentioned at the end, there's a few more DPSes who I could do this video for, so let me know if you're curious about a part 2! 🤔

[@tufol33k78]

Definitely need a part 2 to cover Gaming for instance? Xiao is also an example of a lot of builds could be played, I believe? Albedo/Chiori with Husk vs Golden Troup (though it's said to be absolutely equal)? In general, I'm not a fan of MH on any character (which is my bias). It's a "theorical upgrade", but actual gameplay, even teams featuring "the Almighty Furina" ends up being worse runs than their standard choice ^^` Aside from that I'm farming MH finally (just for Akasha flexs even if I probably won't use these builds lol)

[@Inj2Moves]

We'd like a part 2!

[@ahsan6686]

I need a part 2 especially add xiao and tell if his artifact options are worth in his best team or just use 2pc 2pc

[@zarfies23]

Part 2!!! Particularly Hutao pls

[@zanzatbc]

Your knowledge of the game is incredible. This information is priceless. Please release a part 2!

[@jamiekb9v]

also I was very happy: first video in a long while where I thought of the idea in the morning, then recorded, edited and uploaded the video all in 1 day! so it was so quick, but somehow still over 15 minutes long. my vids always long 😭

[@crowned2637]

Noice!! And I do recommend, if you like, like you asked on previous video, I think that doing abyss runs from your viewers/account reviews, would be super awesome 😁

[@baax97]

I prefer longer content.it gives you time to explain your thoughts in detail. Don't think of 15 minutes as too long

[@ferend4038]

Longer videos are good! I would even say 10- minutes is often too short

[@mohitbeniwal8174]

That's how a genuine video looks like

[@yeulesz]

long videos are the best jamie!

[@leukos22]

Thank you for that Ganyu section. I was losing my mind whenever I saw so many people completely ignore her burst when it's absolutely phenomenal the moment there are two enemies on field *and* it makes swirling Cryo infinitely easier otherwise. The Lyney section was really eye-opening and it makes so much more sense in context of those rotations and the buff duration. I'd love a part 2 especially with some more discussion surrounding weapons and the context where some weapons might gain value over others.

[@JelloImpact]

This was fabulous. Would love a part 2

[@walkermenkus104]

No way, it's jello impact

[@AR-gr6pj]

Oh no.. Lyney's secret went to the public

[@sudiptaday7875]

I knew that but the ganyu one is helpful

[@Aiscence]

Main reason is mainly: mostly everyone needs the first set of the region aka mare/golden so it's generally assumed you would get a set for him by farming it, which is more resin efficient than spending into shimenawa, even your garbage artefacts. Same for mixed the most possible one would probably be 2pc glad 2pc MH because you'd be farming those passively as if you spend your trash artis into crimson witch it's probably for another pyro dps already and most people would rather spend them into bettering their emblem. So yeah unless you are an old time player with your emblem stacked and good shimenawa pieces laying around / good CW you used in the past, for most new player MH or MH/glad would be the easiest and most cost effective to build

[@AR-gr6pj]

@@Aiscence I have farmed MH already ...I use it only if I play lyney with furina or 1 phase bosses where you do a lot of CAs

[@aruharuto]

What I always like about your videos is the fact the you put equal if not more emphasis on the practical aspect and execution of a character's kit/ comp. Would absolutely love a part 2.

[@callimas]

Yep, definitely noticed every speedrunner using Ganyu’s burst in melt teams while guides say not to. Part 2? Yes please! And 3 and 4 and…

[@Rpground]

I am surprised at this video, I thought it was going to be just regurgitated crap about "Ohh, use Lavawalker for mono pyro, it's just like Klee" or something...but no. You provided information even I didn't know with the crit snapshots. Actual good video, a rarity in this community.

[@Zajef77]

Didn't mention emblem childe smh my head

[@jamiekb9v]

Bruh emblem Childe is too next level 200iq strats even for me

[@Bionic_Salad5]

I now feel giga brain for having Lyney on a 2-pc 2-pc since I first got him

[@lucasfmhomem]

It's scary how much Ganyu is misunderstood by the community despite being such an old character. And it's not like the misconceptions about her are only spread by casuals who heard a rumour (like Bennett's C6 being bad) while theorycrafters try to fix the outdated information, but in Ganyu's case even the TCs don't really know how to play her.

[@jamiekb9v]

if people are interested I can consider making more ganyu type guides!

[@lucasfmhomem]

@@jamiekb9v personally I'd love it. I've been playing Ganyu for a long time, and I watch some speedrunners, but I still have more to learn because there's so many intricacies. It'd also be great to hear some thoughts of what kind of future characters/content could make Ganyu better, just like recent characters have made many old DPS and healers more "meta". There's also a new artifact set in 4.6, but I don't want to give spoilers.

[@la_dose5206]

Yeah... Ganyu is one of those characters where what popular TCs say doesn't match reality. Both speedruns and personal experience. It doesn't help that they never play her and when they do, it's a disaster.

[@harlanpm]

@@jamiekb9v​​⁠​⁠ I would love to see more Ganyu content, I think her teams are some of the hardest to play so lots of people stray away from her and she gets underrepresented among english TCs

[@uthumperera1]

would appreciate it :D@@jamiekb9v started playing for ganyu and i keep playing because of her, shes my fav

[@prabhanshverma1182]

Me listening carefully without having lyney or ganyu

[@jar66653]

i've been watching a lot of genshin content and tc content on youtube for a while, but this was the first time that i heard the stuff you said about ganyu! the information about no burst meltyu and hunter's path being bis definitely has been engrained into the community, and i was very surprised by everything you mentioned. on another note, i would love to see a ganyu guide from you at some point!

[@dylankim8593]

Came here from a zajef video, its awesome how you explain some of the more practical stuff (especially for lyney) that normal TC's often miss!

[@jamiekb9v]

Welcome aboard!

[@sauravthegreat]

Whew,thanks for clarifying the myths around Ganyu's burst, too much misinformation about that going around

[@zorgling25]

You mention this a bit a couple times in the video, but I think in general people tend to underestimate mixed sets and how much having better substats can outweigh differences in set bonus strength. There is a tendency from people to really bias toward using 4pc sets. There is an allure to a character having a “BiS” and a dissatisfaction I see people have with using mixed or rainbow sets when that BiS is not that good. Crit substats are generally worth around a 2-3% increase in your average damage output. This increase from substats is unconditional-you don’t have to jump through some arcane hoops and play your characters in a certain way to get those stats, they just always work. Most people who have been playing the game a long time probably have those 1-2 insanely cracked pieces on Glad/Wanderer/Shim/etc that they got farming for something else. You get some crazy piece that’s better than anything else on your account, but you don’t have enough good pieces to make it a full set. But if you put it in a 2pc/2pc, it’s providing a ton of substat value that is hard for a 4pc set to beat. If your “BiS” 4pc is only 5-10% better than 2pc/2pc, that single cracked piece can already outweigh the difference in set bonus. Are you willing to grind that one domain a year or more waiting for a piece that’s as good as that single cracked piece just to get a tiny upgrade over what you already have? There are some set bonuses that really do provide exceptional benefit for the characters they’re for. Of course you’d never use a mixed set on Raiden because the value of the 4pc is immense and not realistically feasible for substats to outweigh on a mixed set. But a lot of 4pc sets in this game really are not that good and you really have to ask whether that theoretical 5-10% better set bonus is worth the cost when a good mixed set is probably already sitting unused in you inventory.

[@jamiekb9v]

well said, although to answer your (rhetorical) question, YES personally i'm willing to grind out the best sets for my favs cause I want the best and i'm down for the tryhard grind 😅 you are talking to someone who optimised flower of paradise lost sets for nilou and nighttime whispers for navia

[@Wa1tablack]

I aint readin allat🥱

[@ferend4038]

That's exactly the reason I don't even keep mid pieces in newer sets I farm. If I do rainbow/2+2 I will probably have cracked pieces in every slot lol

[@AldersonForOne]

Im trying to think of all the chars who absolutely need their 4 piece set. Because once that list is established, all chars excluded can relax. Let’s see: anemo vv units, raiden, bennett, c0 yelan? Maybe?, deepwood units, furina, neuvillette, songs of days past units. And I think that’s it. I’d be fine using two 80 80 em sets on alhaitham, or not using golden troupe on Yae/fischl, or have 2 piece sets on xingqiu xiangling navia ganyu, even ayaka if she’s going against bosses. Farming wanderers set is no fun either nnghh

[@aerohydra3849]

From my experience this is really what the optimizer is good at. People (at least me) are generally quite bad at evaluating overall build quality since it's human nature to be bad at optimizing with respect to a ton of different stats. And it's definitely right that for certain characters that 4 piece bonus (e.g. Childe or Yae) is very little over a 2/2.

[@ookamishin402]

Man i really don't understand why they give Nymph an 8 sec duration, more so when most other dps sets have at least a 10 sec duration.

[@jamiekb9v]

i have no idea either

[@clips6633]

Cause like nymph doesnt have a cool down restriction based on skill. It auto refreshes on childe after cool downs down . its used to make players n1 c1 and proc riptide which counts as skill. The other set has skill dependent cooldowns.

[@edgarcarreonjr]

@@clips6633 so for Nymph its better to N1C1 instead of N2C1?

[@clips6633]

Let me rephrase its cause childe doesnt have a skill cool down restriction as most charcters do as riptides considered skill damage which procs set so you auto max refresh once it expires every time you n1c riptide or n2c riptide so you have 100% uptime no matter how long you keep him on field.

[@clips6633]

N1c higher damage n2c more comfort for dodging all work. The nymphs dream sets 8 second till stack expires. Assuming you dont refresh which. Childe always has 3 stacks.

[@DizY_8]

"You probably also have better sub-stats on mixed sets anyway..." Me: Bad stats on every piece/set...

[@Lunard8128]

Hi, I play neither of the 3 five stars you mentioned. But either way, I find your video really cool, and it's great to see you enter in so much details. Being and advanced player, it's what I like to see in a guide, and you are really giving a tons of great advices :)

[@mohamedahmedramzy792]

Yes There are also many confusion especially hu tao on ( hunter/ shimenewa/ guilded/ crimson ) Xiao ( this character has worldwide artifacts now )

[@clips6633]

Hutao shim vs cr is depending on team and substates. If ur using a damage buffer cr is more optimal. If your doing a em buffer shim is more optimal cause dimmishing returns.

[@kyori75]

I think many were mislead into why m.hunter is always needed... it's because of the crit rate. Ya that's the trap. So far I've only given Noelle 4pc m.hunter because the 2pc bonus works on her as in her main dmg output is normal and charged atk, plus she teams with furina in my Navia team. So for me, 4pc m.hunter only works fully with characters that has normal or charged atk as main dmg output + has a way to manipulate HP or with furina in team. Lyney was the 1st one that many were mislead into giving m.hunter 4pc to, because it was the new set that time and many CCs thought 'oh new set must be for new character' or 'oh 2pc charged atk bonus!' but they forgot Lyney dealt huge dmg with both his E and Q too. Yes, I'm using 2pc 2pc on my Lyney too, so as to make it flexible and not restrict him to 4pc lava walker in a pyro only team.

[@ferend4038]

First that was not the point of the video? And second - yeah crit rate is that good

[@moritz4026]

@@ferend4038yea you totally dont have to make use of the 2pc for it to be good or even bis with furina. and the reason people thought it was good on lyney is because it actually isnt bad on a sheet, its just that with lyney you end up deviating from set rotations a lot

[@axezero9334]

I would absolutely love a part two but I would also love some gameplay about how you play melt ganyu yourself so I could see it in action and also get to know 4 star weapom options since hamayumi is anti synnergistic with this playstile

[@trashbuilds8351]

Yeah even individual videos catered to each character that the community gets wrong - like a series - could then dive deeper into practical rotations and synergies with other team members. like I did not know about the crit and snapshots so breaking stuff like that down for various characters

[@TigrexThrasher]

This video was really great and informative! I for one say yes please for a part 2! Thank you for teaching things I didn't know! You know it's thanks to you that I discovered my favourite Hu Tao team. (and she's my main.) Also I'm not sure if you already have these but I'd love some guides for all CA bow users, Ganyu, Lyney, DPS Faruzan (yes it works), Amber and Tighnari.

[@Haplezzz]

Way back in the vagabond event with the three kenkis, my melt ganyu was my best team then and I always had a better clear with using her burst. I guessed the quadratic scaling of the ult was just better damage, and always used it in abyss especially for mobs that clump up (e.g. vishaps, serpent knights). Huge thanks for clarifying and sharing all that to others!!

[@zanzatbc]

Thank you so much. Videos like this are so enjoyable and informative. And your game knowledge is outstanding

[@jamiekb9v]

My pleasure!

[@bjornnilsson2941]

Definitely make a part two! I don’t have either Lyney or Childe so those didn’t pertain to me. Though in general I’d say you have to be careful with MH. For most carries it will tie them to the hip with Furina which can get repetitive. It’s about as fun as being dependent on Bennett. 😴 I recently switched my Navia from MH to GT cause for me the fun in playing Navia is swapping on and shotgun blasting and then switch back off, so she wasn’t getting any stacks from MH. If I had Xianyun it would be different, Navia plunge is so satisfying and feels so violent haha. I’ve played 4 WT for melt Ganyu since I got her as my first limited 5*, good to know I was on the right track the whole time!

[@trashbuilds8351]

my problem is that I love having navia on field too long - the chaos is just too fun

[@lucasxie1102]

thank god its not another yap zyox stunlock video because it has actual math

[@vchlopie9357]

lolll not zyox

[@Glast04]

What does this mean?

[@Yaro2]

​@Glast04 I think he means that he's glad this is not just another video like Zyox (a popular Genshin content creator) getting "stunlocked" which basically means that he ends up spending a lot of time on usually answering a dumb/troll question and getting nowhere, and yapping is basically the equivalent of talking random bullshit.

[@faerieinwonderland]

@@Yaro2 honestly, I enjoy listening to Zyox yap as entertainment and to not take everything seriously 🤣

[@Otak-View]

Got it. Don't be afraid of using double 2pc sets. Thanks ❤ Also I've been holding off on building childe international for so long but everytime I watch your videos I'm reminded how insane that team is.

[@alexygo4243]

ER calculators are more often than not overestimating ER requirements not that it is a bad thing but people need to understand that there are many workarounds for lower ER like funneling and the book hack for collecting particles on characters you want energy on.

[@themarky2714]

This video inspired dust off my ol' reliable ShotGanyu after Rational, Double Tao (Geo/Cryo/Pyro), and Bloombara comps have been running my Abyss comps. Makes me grateful that I pulled First Magic for her. Also really want to master my Freeze comp of Ganyu, Ayaka, Venti/Kaz, and Kokomi/Furina.

[@unknownkw]

I just want to say that you lose HP instantly when the arrow is released and there is time lag until the arrow hit. MH passive will activate and give effect on the first charged attack shot by Lyney. There are actually a few weapons that use this mechanic, requiring the travel time of the arrow to be below or above certain time for an effect to activate. There is similar thing happening to elemental bursts and item effects as well, like most characters will be buffed by Nobless with their own burst as the set works on cast, not on hit. It applies even for abilities that snapshots.

[@poochycosme]

Interesting video, I fully agree for Childe and Ganyu even though some things are not always the case, like for exemple, Ganyu's burst, as good as it is, is often not free since if you're playing Hamayumi, you're losing part of the passive and while you might run other weapons instead, like fading twilight, protype crescent or a 5 star, if you are running Hamayumi, it's not "free", still worth it for sure though, unless you are playing a team that doesn't apply enough pyro. But on Lyney, it depends on the investment and the chamber because in your exemple, it's basically "why would I do 3 charge shots when I can just nearly one-shot them with my burst" but if you need the dmg of a full rotation on a wave or a boss, maréchaussée can be up to 20% better than 2p2p, especially if you start at low hp so I do think it depends a lot. However, I can't be 100% sure because I skipped Lyney and I will pull for him in 4. .....hhhmmmmmmmm when his first rerun comes ! (I definitely don't know when that is) Edit : I don't think anyone even plays shiminawa's Ganyu anymore anyways, because : 1. I haven't heard of that in long time 2. The in-game feature that tells which sets active players go for doesn't mention it, which means it is under 1.5% because a 2p2p set has 1.5 % while wanderer's troupe is above 75%

[@SaladBlender]

Other than the Ganyu burst thing, this was a lot of info I did not know. Good video.

[@StanTheWoz]

I've just been using Wanderer's on Ganyu because the pieces were free and cracked, so it's a pleasant surprise to learn it's actually better

[@b1gguy7]

I think that any instance where there are potential issues with activation and timing of the set would be great to go over. IE: I know that Gilded Dreams won't have actual 100% uptime, but am not sure when/if it is relevant. This is my favorite kind of content. It's knowledge that goes beyond what I can read on my own in the game, so your expertise really shows and helps.

[@trashbuilds8351]

YES I need this as well, the nuance of what actually gets triggered & when - and then alternatives that compensate if you can't get the ideal timing

[@DragonCatProductions]

I've mained Ganyu for three years and I have her at constellation 6. I also talk frequently with "Theorycrafting experts" for Ganyu. One issue with Ganyu's burst is that it can take away melted charged shots which you mentioned. You also mentioned that speedrunners use her burst, which is true, but most speedrunners also have C6. And when you have C6, you don't need to use the regular team with Xiangling. You can go with other teams with stronger pyro application, like Jean+Bennett, Nahida+Kazuha, or just super skill through it with solely Kazuha. We were talking about this video and apparently bursting is ok if the enemy is big enough since it can be hit by pryonado twice at once which is cool. In terms of Kazuha, he alone is not enough pyro application (unless you super skill with C6 whale team.) In the background footage, you have a team with Xiangling and Kazuha together. He also can swirl cryo pretty easily if you just switch around your rotation. Shimenawa not being great is correct. The buff it provides is a minimal increase over Wanderer's, except Shime's buff doesn't last long enough, whereas Wanderer's is always active. Also Wanderer's has a better 2 pc effect. Hunter's Path is technically the best for melt, but ping is an issue due to the passive effect of the weapon, and it only works for met teams. But if you get something like Great Magic instead, it performs nearly just as well, but Great Magic can be used in any Ganyu team. So overall, Great Magic is a better weapon due to its flexibility. I'm not sure why I typed this much, I think I just really love Ganyu and wanted to provide some extra info. Overall it was a really great video and I like how detailed you are and also your voiceover is really nice too :)

[@sauravthegreat]

I want to see one of those runs where Ganyu's burst steals melts.If you properly put gouba down before using Ganyu's burst,Ive never seen it happening.I keep hearing people talking about it,but these runs seem non existent to me ,since I can't find them anyway.

[@DragonCatProductions]

@@sauravthegreat Yeah I've never had to play the traditional melt team (John Lee Xiangling and Bennett) so I can't personally confirm this one. If it's single target then it's probably fine since Guoba will only have one enemy to attack but multi target might be different? But most ppl playing the traditional team don't burst with Ganyu anyways so it would be hard to find an example if no one does it (I think there might be a couple examples in the background footage of this video)

[@jamiekb9v]

there are plently of c0-c1 ganyu main speedrunners on youtube and bilibili!!

[@sauravthegreat]

@@DragonCatProductions There are alot of runs of Ganyu melt on youtube with burst used.Here,I'll link them below I haven't noticed her burst stealing melts in any of these Even if it does ,these runs are alot faster than No Burst runs at similar investment kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnrJdI2Qm7h7psUsi=u1veFeHKA0j2YvsX kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHzCh3x9Yp5lh7ssi=KLajIir05eFNT88V kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4OxqYeDqNqEfNUsi=80zK6t3UG6IXwVKJ I don't think most Ganyu melt runs I've seen without using Burst can get these clear speeds at this level of investment.So even if a few melts are lost, using her Burst is a definite upgrade in terms of clear speeds.

[@sauravthegreat]

@@DragonCatProductions Also wanted to mention that the runs above didn't even always follow the guideline of putting gouba down before ganyu burst but still melted most if not all hits.

[@trashbuilds8351]

This is so brilliant, especially as I don't love doing rotations that are so precise you can't deviate from them without losing a lot of dmg - mainly because I get random controller lag (connected to mobile) and might explain why it feels I do more dmg on 2piece/2piece sets sometimes lol

[@TCGSyphax]

Wriothesley has similar problems as Lynney in non furina teams. I was running him with shenhe and getting all of shenhes quills to crit for rizz was a nightmare. By the time you get the 36 crit rate buff, shenhe only has 3 or 4 quills of bonus dmg which is lame as hell. I switched to full 4pc shim and it felt much better overall. I kind of want to whale for c6 shnehe just for rizz and ayaka, which kinda shows how poor cryo feels atm.

[@Merritt_Maverick]

This is one thing I didn't know from the vid. (Even though it was very informative and got a better understanding of things), Had no idea 4 pc MH was not as good on wrio. Is it the same for both c0 and c1 wrio? Does it only effect wrio shenhe teams ? 🤔🤔

[@TCGSyphax]

@@Merritt_Maverick i think it affects all the non furina teams. i skipped her first banner but regret it now and am going to get her on rerun

[@Lukz243]

that was more interesting than I thought, especially about Lyney's set

[@kwayke9]

Lyney pro tip: Start the rotation with a CA so he can stack mh faster once he needs to do damage

[@jamiekb9v]

you may notice that a lot of the recent abysses, the way setups time themselves, like vs the machines last abyss 12-1-1 and the abyss mage this abyss 12-1-1, if you finish your setup and try do that you will get perfect timing to get hit and destroyed by the enemy 😅

[@Marz333]

@@jamiekb9vthat’s a niche one time situation and you usually want a shield with lyney anyway, xiangling contradicts his whole play style so you better off without her and to bring a shielder. Starting with his ca in the rotation saves so much time and helps front load his dmg. I think this just means lyney is super flexible with his artifacts and teams, it’s usually a small difference

[@whisperwalkful]

​@@Marz333you dont usually want a shield on lyney when playing him in speedruns.

[@Marz333]

@@whisperwalkfulyeah I guess, mine is c3 so I just use a shield because he does big damage for speed runs anyways, I don’t think he’s dependent on xiangling for a speedrun either she’s so overrated

[@pete4416]

Really considering to experiment more with my Lyney's artifacts now🤔

[@icekyuu]

This is a great video, and would love to see more like this. I.e. misconceptions that TCs and CCs have. Cyno is a good example of a character who had a lot of early advice wrong (eg GD vs TF).

[@SeravySensei]

I think the most overlooked problem with sets is resin efficiency which leads to worse overall damage on new 4 sets. If you use the same amount of resin on the Chasm domain and strongbox for Gladiator, you're getting 2.5 times as many 18% ATK set pieces than how many MH pieces you'd get from the same resin (half the drops will be GT and you can't strongbox it). 2.5 times as many artifacts will translate to 1-3 more good substat roll per piece, or 10-30% more damage, the lower your investment, the higher the difference. If the new set isn't at least 15-20% better then the better substats lead to higher overall damage on the 2pc ATK% sets. This is especially a major factor when your other characters cannot use the other set in the domain or you cannot use the strongbox for them because their builds are complete so the bad artifacts just sit in your inventory until a new character is pulled who can use an old set, or strongbox options get expanded.

[@jamiekb9v]

yep those are all good points, also strongbox pieces having more likelyhood of 4 substat lines can further skew this!

[@gris_yt]

thanks for clearing that stuff up about lyney! i was debating whether i should continue farming MH. i haven't gotten good pieces yet but i've managed to get decent GT ones for my furina. i'll probably stop and farm another domain now since i always use lyney in monopyro anyway. more lyney vids would be greatly appreciated. i watched the speedrun video you did before and it was eye-opening to see him played that way cos i always just stuck to doing his usual combo. a rotation guide with different teams would be nice. i'd like to see teams where xiangling isn't used since i've been playing international for a long time now and i'm kind of sick of using her at this point 😭

[@faerieinwonderland]

NOOO my top 1% Lyney Marechaussee Hunter will need a rebuild lol 😭😭😭 I guess I will start switching to farming emblem domain then 🤔 more 2pc ATK% pieces means I can also build better Klee and Venti dps build

[@jamiekb9v]

you can still use the 2pc mh set! 😭 and swap to 4pc when playing vape

[@faerieinwonderland]

@@jamiekb9v please don’t give me pity I’m already dead 😵😭 it’s ok I will farm for the best 2pc 2pc atk set because Lyney deserves it 😔🙏

[@STBgirl]

This was really interesting and helpful. Definately gonna try my lyney on a few different artifacts now and see.

[@marky4627]

This was really interesting. Even though i don't use any of these characters i lke learning more about this kind of stuff.

[@Yukisih]

This video really blows my mind great guide

[@nashi5036]

Well, Nyphm isnt that terrible, if you arent planning to learn complex set up on Internat, or u playing Childe in other teams, Nyphm is still indeed his BiS set. That being said, that domain's value is ass anyway, for a situationally best set.

[@clips6633]

Even in national its his bis. Many people dont know that riptide counts as skill damage and nymphs dream doesnt have a cooldown, so as long as you n1c n2c and have optimal build to riptide you have 100% uptime on set

[@eredar6552]

Oh hello Nashi! Just wanted to write same and find your comment

[@clips6633]

I dont personallagree with hos takeon ganyuand childecausemanyhave shown reasons why and proven you can easily prestack childes burst. But for arguemnt sakes Theres also a less time reatricting rotation if i remeber it was childe aim shot -> bennet burst -> kazuhu skill burst-> childe n1c1-> xaingling skill burst--> childes range burst n1c n2c rotation. Typically you wanna try to learn to fast imput childe n1 c1->bennet burst-kazuhu tap skill burst-> childe range burst->xaingling skill burst. And either childe n1c or n2 c2 if single target or close together or kazuh hold cast to regroup tn childe

[@Natmi-x]

nice vid mr. jamie also maybe in part 2 you can discuss about: - hu tao with bennet or furina, people said they anti synergy with hu tao because her passive a4 hu tao, while many hu tao player paired both furina bennet with hu tao and it's actually very strong team in ST - alhaitham and furina maybe this team less familiar because people think kuki cant keep up with furina, while actually with proper gameplay and rotation you can full uptime kuki skill to maintain HP full team and i think this is the strongest alhaitham team anyway i hope we can get part 2 of this vid

[@re.n8208]

That was a very interesting video. In my case I farmed Childe's "new set" and got great pieces. But I also realized that I'm not good with pre stacking and following rotations to the T. So I sadly kinda stopped to play him... And I'm at a point where I'd even rather play Wrio in a similar team which imo is kinda comfier. Even if he has his issues too. No regrets tho, I often don't really know what to do with my resine anyway. Regarding Lyney, that's news for me, and it saddens me a bit. As for Ganyu, I barely play her these days. I kinda wanna try burn/melt but I already feel Nahida would have better results in another team. Still, I'd be glad if there's a team out there making use of Dehya or burning as a reaction. Lastly I'd be interested in a video covering... - Hu Tao (ngl, still don't know if CW is worth) - Yae (to this day no idea how to stuff her, her kit is frustrating to me it's crazy...) - Ayato, Cyno, Baizhu, Tighnari and Eula - Also is Emblem really THAT good

[@elliothiggins6356]

Mythbusting all three Bennett-Kazuha-compatible archers with high skill ceiling, this is very good stuff 👏. Hope you'll revisit Nilou's new options, if any, some time after Furina and/or Sigewinne. Anyway discussing Lyney's sets is so 💀💀. Compare Neuv and Wrio's consistent 90% MH use rate to Lyney's 60% in-game and 30% user submitted abyss stats. No consensus for one set among actual players. Because his HP flux, damage profile, and playstyle changes too much between teams? E.g. mono pyro vs. Furina/Chiori, Kazuha vs. Chevreuse, shielded or not, etc. Speedrunners love 3 pyro Kaz teams with Bennett & Xiangling/c2 Klee. He clears waves like Childe with Kaz -> Lyney burst + 0-2 CA -> Kaz -> Lyney 1-2 CA + skill. Then killing bosses with 2-3 CAs + skill becomes possible with high cons. So mixed sets are best since 60% crit rate for burst is too low, and too few CAs for MH. Majority play him with shields, without good artifacts or cons, or lack essential teammates. They'd miss the damage thresholds to do clean consistent wave clears or force enemies to behave predictably enough for shieldless play. From lurking various boards and newbie showcases, seems the 'long combo' is actually how most play Lyney. So +1 for the MH set recommendation that TCs/CCs recommend with that combo. The general Lyney community would push back very hard against the mix set advice. With the current TC/CC ecosystem that skews towards skill accessibility and efficiency at minimal invest, this might come across like an experienced vapelan player from early 3.x telling people to stop farming the 'resin efficient' emblem domain since her mix sets work better at that investment. They'd get blasted for spreading "misinformation", however valid when taken into proper context.

[@jamiekb9v]

yep that used to be a whole similar issue with yelan 😅 can't remember if I made a video on that way back even at c6 when people calc a full rotation with max amount of burst hits then it can still theoretically perform better with emblem sets, but in practice the frontloaded dmg matters more so mixed sets buffing her whole kit worked out better

[@SuperPaper_34]

This style of video is incredibly useful. I was actually a victim of the Melt Ganyu Doesn’t Use Burst guides, though thankfully I never sunk that many resources into her since I ended up not liking the aimed shot playstyle that much and I don’t have a good weapon for her anyway. I probably also would’ve fell hook line and sinker for MH Lyney if I had rolled him. I don’t really keep up with DPS that I don’t play that well so I’m really curious about the other examples you have too.

[@clips6633]

Reason ganyu doesnt burst in melt is because her burst can steal melts and adding the er requirements doesnt make it ussable.

[@clips6633]

Also in multi target. None grouped situations ganyus burst is random but once grouped or single target it creates a weird quadratic scaling effect that can mess with melts.

[@Jonathan-gk8jq]

It's funny you posted this, last week I realized the Childe thing and moved to 2 piece XD

[@cmcguire7901]

The Lyney advice was spot on, so often on Lyney the bulk of your damage is very frontloaded so realizing that the crit rate doesn’t apply to so many of the first few hits is scary. I think a lot of TCers must assume repeat rotations for 100% MH uptime then?

[@kale1287]

I don’t necessarily agree. The majority of players play Lyney with a shield or some form of IR. In those cases there’s not much reason to frontload and the MH CA combo does outperform. However, in speedruns or teams w/o protection (so most players that follow tc), 4 MH does get very impractical. Still, that’s a relatively small minority.

[@MeneTekelFares]

What about Lyney in Chevreuse teams? Since her healing happens in smaller increments and just one charge attack seems to be enough to get all 3 stacks of MH pretty reliably, even if you swap to refresh your Fischl or Beidou in-between Lyney's short field time windows.

[@Mimikyu-de-Peluche]

as a Lyney main who knew about that he snapshot I stilled farmed marachause and just adjusted the rotation and I still get all crit rate for burst and could optimise everything even more but Its normal for people to not know

[@Lesterberne]

I’m a bit skeptical on the Ganyu section. You do have a point in specific scenarios but against straight bosses with no mechanic that can help you / mess with you, I don’t see how using her Burst would be helpful. Most people don’t use her with Kazuha nor in AOE scenarios. Your showcases were mostly in AOE, and vs the shroom who could burn itself. In those situations, of course I understand that using her burst is an upside! All in all, I just think that that part was another “black and white” side of the coin instead of being presented as a gray area.

[@jamiekb9v]

You still use her burst vs bosses! This vid showed gameplay vs the geo boss in chamber 3 but I also recommend watching different bossing vids from other ganyu content creators!

[@clips6633]

You are correct in your assumption and in grouped situations its worse

[@stargazersdance]

I always thought that MH was bit of an overrated set. Yes, Crit Rate is important. But that doesn't mean you should neglect everything else a DPS character should need. I think it's very overrated on Noelle, honestly. It helps with more niche builds like Fav Sword + MH since she does NOT generate ANY energy particles. But you're really better off with Husk since she gets the things she needs the most for her damage, Geo DMG Bonus and DEF. Hell, she shields, heals, and does damage. Husk gives you the best of the three worlds with that.

[@darkdude1996ify]

I was half expecting some whack stuff like Tenacity Raiden tbh, but I guess this is fine too. I don't own Lyney or Childe, so I've never really considered which would be the best sets on them. For Ganyu, I don't really use her anywhere except overworld, so I prefer running Wanderer's anyway, since it's a bit more consistent (though I guess in overworld you're not gonna use her burst anyway, so Shim might be fine too)

[@nicknotis133]

Thanks Jamie. Yes please to a part 2!

[@steffy23456]

I second the Childe thing. Mine had little atk and his damage was a bit low, but I was hell bent on trying to make 4 pc HOD to work. Now I use a 2pc 2pc and he's much better, even when he dies crit

[@johnycrawler]

My Lyney with wanderer troupe makes 22k charge dmg and 32kcat hat fireworks dmg. With hunter he makes 20k charge dmg and 40k from cat hat firework. That's raw damage. Wanderer atk 2190 64Cr/225 and 2230 atk 95/235 . Pair him with any off field constant healer like kokomi, Barbara, qiqi or kuki and you get the hunter passive 100% uptime

[@Yabai-Wa-Yo]

Do not Farm Nighttime Whispers for Navia.. Just don't- Unless you have insane luck or you want to spend your life in the domain..! Okay Jokes aside, I did spend 2 months in that domain, trying to find at least one or two pieces, but nope, I didn't find a SINGLE usuable piece, and the few I got are very mediocre. In conclusion, I don't have a 4P Set, and I probably won't ever, cause the quality of my 2P Glad + 2P GT is just so good, that I just give up and went back to Marechaussee instead- It was quite depressing.. That's just my personal experience that I wanted to share, Obviously not everyone have the same luck ^^"

[@clementlassalle4317]

As someone who's looking forward to get Ganyu on a future rerun, I'd be interested in a fully-fledge guide from you on how to play her melt teams (and potentially freeze too). It truly is the first time I've heard about using her burst in melt (although I did know about wanderer's troupe being better for her, somehow). Also as a sidenote, I just wanted to point out how funny this video's title is considering you're a madlad who farmed a 4p FloP for Nilou of all characters XD (which is based, don't get me wrong, especially since this set suits her so well from an aesthetic standpoint, but for the easiest character to build in this game it is quite hilarious in the context of this video)

[@jamiekb9v]

Difference is FOPL is the best set period though for multiple characters in a nilou team, I’m happy to grind out for the best damage for my favourites!

[@clementlassalle4317]

@@jamiekb9v Understandable ! I respect that

[@Memecs20]

14:33 Too late hahaha got Hunter's Path for Ganyu (and Tighnari whenever I get him,) luckily super early. Good thing is that I've kept MH set with mostly Furina backed teams/characters.

[@jamiekb9v]

rip

[@SinthetikLED]

I’m gonna have to test this out now,😭 I farmed so much for Lyney, I will say this is the first I’m hearing about this and I use him every spiral abyss, with hunter, and I don’t have any issues but I also have C3 Lyney so 🤷‍♂️

[@Julliangg]

As soon as That Artifact Domain came out I was always confused why Marechausee was hyped up so much. I know it gives lots of crit rate but I always thought of it as... your farming for good crit stats on a set that gives you a bunch of crit. lol, It's a Cool set but I felt like the other Bonuses were more interesting at least. Also, Very Great Points in this video

[@crt137]

Her ER reqs are actually a lot lower than I expected. I just Burst every other rotation on the Zhongli variant but I might look out for WT pieces with ER subs now.

[@asrar_b]

I asked you before about Lyne but I forgot your explanation 😅 either way I remember I increased my Lyne crit rate and now after I saw this video I tried to go mix set however I don’t really have good mix set 😢 with better crit value and er

[@Friendfox]

refines on amos can make it ganyu's BiS also, if you happen to get them from standard or losses on the weapon banner

[@bighat8794]

Awesome video, I already had hints about those tips but Im not a TC so Im glab to see it wasn't just me making shit up but it actually makes some sens lol.

[@whisperwalkful]

I thought i was cooking by always using ganyu burst in melt but i didnt know it is actually optimal.

[@wyndair]

This is why I rather use lavawalker on my lyney its like having a double passive

[@stewelsimte7161]

It was very helpful, will u make a part 2?

[@bioniclebuu]

I am so thankful someone illustrated why Marechausse always felt so bad on Lyney! I have a quick question though, why not run Vermillion instead of 2pc 2pc? & if not, why 2pc atk x2, not 2pc atk + 2pc PyroDMG% Thanks for your time!

[@jamiekb9v]

vermillion doesn't work better than 4pc mh either. and you can use any mixed set, basically anything with the best substats

[@bioniclebuu]

@@jamiekb9v I don't know why I thought Vermillion would be any better after just saying how I didn't like Marchausse // maybe I just wanted a 4pc for Lyney to work. I appreciate the help!

[@nuckchorris1396]

True, my lyney is at 99 CR 200 CD on mixed

[@Kouku04]

I’ll still use MH on Lyney, I made my MH CR a bit overcap so the only one that might not crit is the first atk, after that i mostly hv no problem as long as there are furina, bennet or chevreuse on team Right now, im sitting at 69 CR and 286 CMG, its at the point that switching to mix set doesnt give of the same dmg anymore~ I hv c2 on him, so when i switch to Lyney… i tried to wait a bit so his c2 can charge up b4 doing his burst anyway so it isnt really a problem

[@Arcanewhim]

Would love to see a part 2

[@GlacierRain]

that was interesting part 2 when? :D I'd suggest HuTao/AlHaitham/YaeMiko/Nahida

[@AliHosseini-hj9os]

I think the ganyu burst thing is kinda situational. for example in a team with nahida kazuha and Bennet, in single target you apply pyro and dendro once every 2s (actually you dont apply dendro every 2s in reality) and you swirl that burning aura with kazuha burst too so if you also use ganyu burst you might lose the aura more often. (i dont even have ganyu so im not sure, also nahida aplly 1.5 unti, and ganyu trigger reverse melt so i might be wrong)

[@jamiekb9v]

no you still use ganyu's burst with nahida! if you want to learn about the team I recommend watching the channel 'Impressive GanYu'

[@mr.miscellaneous1079]

Id love a part 2, im under the impression that gladiator is probably more efficient for ayato for similar reasons to ganyu. But I'm also curious if -shime is better for wanderer -crimson/hunter is better for yoi -gilded dreams vs thundering fury for cyno -gilded dreams vs golden troupe for yae

[@Neko_mancer]

hi I am interested in speed running as an topic. Are there any resources (e.g. comprehensive websites), where the individual builds of the run are shown with an upload or link to the run? so something like simpact without the simulation and with actual runs :D

[@jamiekb9v]

for resources, you can check my previous videos on speedrun cups, as well as join my discord (link in description), where we have a server speedrun collection spreadsheet where many players link and detail their runs!

[@Praneeth_-]

Make part 2 cover units like Hu tao and others

[@fluffyhellbunny13]

I was actually pretty surprised about Childe, but I did know his burst is a large chunk of his damage, so this makes sense; I might actually have to change my build. He was my first limited character, so I got a soft spot for him. Maybe he'll get a set that can really maximize his whole kit one day!

[@clips6633]

Nymphs dream does do it. The 8 secs is a mislead. As it has no cool down so everytime you n1c or n2c and riptide you auto refresh all 3 stacks because riptide is skill damage. It has 100% uptime as long as you want it to.

[@jamiekb9v]

Yep unfortunately if you are not getting the buffs on his burst nuke it’s such a key part of his damage that you’re effectively cancelling out most of the extra stats from the new artifact set

[@clips6633]

@@jamiekb9v as evey typi cal childe rotation with nymph starts with n1c1 todouble swirl you alwas have the buffs up inthose situations

[@clips6633]

Theres also a less time reatricting rotation if i remeber it was childe aim shot -> bennet burst -> kazuhu skill burst-> childe n1c1-> xaingling skill burst--> childes range burst n1c n2c rotation. Typically you wanna try to learn to fast imput childe n1 c1->bennet burst-kazuhu tap skill burst-> childe range burst->xaingling skill burst. And either childe n1c or n2 c2 if single target or close together or kazuh hold cast to regroup tn childe

[@aang2364]

I knew it someting wrong with my 4set MH Lyeny, its feel less worth than my 2 piece build, now im sure to change it back

[@alexownn382]

Thank you a lot, especially for Lyney and Childe! I had a feeling with Lyney and maréchaussée, so I’m glad I see that I wasn’t wrong. I’m also having a blast with Furina Lyney vape team in comparison to monopyro Lyney team, so now I understand why, lol. I also have a question. Does full piece lavawalker works better in monopyro Lyney team that 2pc2pc? I’m asking out of sheer curiosity.

[@jamiekb9v]

glad I could help! and if you have similar substats with 4pc lavawalker then your mixed sets then sure but that's rare on an account

[@mythesque7714]

wow this was a super helpful and informative video! regarding lyney, considering that the number of CAs per rotation can vary, what would you recommend as his talent priority? if you only have the resources to crown two of them, which talents are his most important?

[@abrahamlimon1231]

A part 2 would be awesome, I have questions about some DPSs equipments. Does Klee prefer to use her burst in burgeon team and how much is the difference between Gilded Dreams and CW if she is using Sac? Is so much the difference between Hunter and Desert Pavilion for Wanderer in Furina team? Does it has sense to use the Whispers set on Navia even her cristalize wouln't last for so long before be broken by a enemy attack? You content is amazing!

[@jamiekb9v]

nah only use klee's burst in burgeon if you need to break a shield. her strength in burgeon is catalyst aoe pyro app without needing burst. and yeah if you are a dedicated navia main I consider the whispers set a worthwhile investment its perfect for her. if you main many characters then its your choice on resin use

[@abrahamlimon1231]

Thanks!

[@Toqrainbow]

some of us don't have a 2pc/2pc but live in mh domain for. Other reasons not related to lyney so he'll accept what he gets and be happy. it does feel scuffed on him, but idrc cos i got him for the farming passive not for combat hahaha

[@edimasv4581]

8:17 ehmm... Joe Goldberg??

[@taru5156]

thats why i will never use MH on my lyney(he uses 4 WT rn), I have a hunch that the crit rate buff is not optimal with his kits. turns out it was right

[@ahmadmelhem1499]

Marchausse hunter is good for some players, I used to use gladiator finale on Xiao and was working good, recently using MH set on him and doing amazing damage

[@who7644]

What a fucking video oml simple but yet so good.

[@anfer-k2i]

Lyney hp fluctuation is so hard to utiize MH artifact w/o Furina. I've tried him with Benny before but can only proc 1.5-2 buff per rotation

[@unholynoise3087]

When i was artifact hunting for lyney I got pissed off at the domain with crimson witch because it kept giving me lava walker so i went to hunter out of rage since i coulf at least use golden troup if i got it for a different character

[@Danipazz16]

Could the same thing be said for keqing? I heard a lot of experienced kq mains still play her mixed/gilded cause the damage is more generally and they work around stamina while TF is more tps and easy to use but more damage only for specific combos where she detonates the second skill

[@jamiekb9v]

for keqing kinda, many players even use thundersoother. thundering fury is actually very minor quality of life in practice, faster skill is nice and fun but not a big deal

[@Ocram12]

I think Lyney's Pyrotechnic Strike snapshots upon creation and not when the CA is released, so it should make use of the 12% CR right? The second CA would have at least 24% CR and 36% if Bennett heals Lyney before the hat is created in case Lyney was full HP

[@largecrab8293]

Super helpful video! I already have Hunter’s Path (unfortunately went to pity 3 times to get it when it came out), and the thing I find most irritating is over capping CR. How much of an upgrade is Aqua on a Ganyu melt team? Or FGM for that matter?

[@KryonGG]

I didn't know lyney's hat snapshot... now i don't know if putting him in a 2pc2pc, i already had a Marecheuse farmed 😣