Is ONE Bad Component Causing This Engine To BURN OIL?

[@JAMSIONLINE]

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[@kellybrodigan1121]

My employer uses ADP and lately there have been many issues.

[@lourias]

Shaking? They have medications to ease ease shaking, Ingrezza. Please find out why the shaking is present.

[@lourias]

I also would LOVE seeing y'all put the engines back together after all of the cleaning and what-not.

[@rodney1818]

41:13 It's not a design flaw.They lasted until well out of warranty

[@logancarter2134]

Best engine channel on KZbin. Calm reasonable discussion, no drama, no hype and no music. Just good generational banter. And y'all know what you are doing!!!

[@kalybnielsen4183]

I agree. "I Do Cars" is a good one too, but Eric just does teardowns of damaged engines

[@vhrocks81]

Agreed!

[@phooesnax]

+1on that

[@hpkntnw]

Yes very laid back. The opposite of Dave’s.

[@logancarter2134]

@@hpkntnw Dave puts out a lot of good and interesting information about newer vehicles, I like his channel to.

[@throttlejockey34]

No big time sponsors, no super expensive trick parts. Just pure skill, knowledge and a little bit of trial and error. That's why you guys are my favorite. So much that I'm considering talking to you about some work, (as soon as I return home from deployment) on My 2001 dodge 5.9 (360) magnum. Again, thank you for another great video.

[@RodneyHayes-d3y]

Had one of these come into my garage in the early nineties. Was locked up would not budge. Long time older customer asks to pull it and give advice if it was savable. I knew this customer had no way to pay for a engine replacement but we took a look. It had broken the timing chain, and it coiled up between the cam gear and cover. Removed chain and the engine was still locked up. come to find out the chain had bent the number one main bearing bulkhead reward engine to bind the bearing. We decided to experiment, and I dug out my old Babbitt bearing scraper. Clearance'd the front bearing, reassembled restarted and ran fine. Customer advised to get rid of the vehicle before it decided to let go. A few weeks later the car was back, and the customer came by to let us know he had just got back from a drive across the country to visit his kids and the car was doing fine. Go figure.

[@ellieprice363]

I had a timing chain break on my 1967 Buick 340 V8 Strata Cruiser station wagon with the little windows on top. I bought the car used and the owner hadn’t changed the oil regularly

[@andrewsnow7386]

I can tell you from experience that the flywheel did it's job well. There was more than once that I was crawling -- as slow as possible -- up a steep hill. And just as I thought "oops, I've stalled it", then the next cylinder would hit and, POW, on up the hill I'd go!

[@jefflilyea4669]

I can't decide what my favorite jeep engine is. The dauntless is good but so is the 6-226 Lhead and the AMC 258.

[@PCMenten]

I must be different. My machinist is always impressed by how clean my engine parts are when I show up for more work. I would have scraped the muck off with wood paint stir sticks and plastic paint scrapers, then wet the exterior with a solvent, give it a quick scrub after the solvent soaks, pressure wash, repeat. Yikes. I’ve got long-handled brushes from a gun cleaning kit to scrub oil passages. I use lye in tubs or barrels to etch the oil and grease off parts. The only reason a shop has to wash my block is to remove whatever chips they make while working on the part. I’ve heard that Ford V8 heads are vulnerable to leaking after the baking and hot tanking. That’s strictly not required. You can get bulk molasses at the feed store and soak your heads in a barrel of 50/50 molasses/water. The water passages will be etched clean without damage to the base metal. If I’m spending good money for a good machinist, I’ll treat him right by showing up with my junk ready for work, not nasty with grease. Sorry, I had to rant.

[@tdotw77]

Didn't know that one. Molasses can cut grease? Never woulda thought of that one. Guess it's kinda like the whole Coca-Cola cleaning thing? I think many builders like to see what is going on with the engine before complete disassembly to learn more about it. I see your point tho, cleaner engine easier to work on, less time wasted cleaning & scraping grease layers off. I'd also rather see my engine baked, blasted, and hot tanked if necessary just to know it's clean, strong enough to handle to abuse that's going to happen in the future. If a block can't go through a heat & wash cycle, then how is it gonna handle all the abuse from using it and abusing it on a daily basis? Temps go from below zero(F° in winter -WNY) to several hundred degrees(EOT, ECT) plus while going up hill in midsummer. EGT's can be 1000°F plus on many engines(especially turbo diesels). They say take you foot out of it when it's creeping up on 1300° going up that large grade. 😃🤣👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩🛢️💥💨 ✊🏻🇺🇸🦅

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Best cleaning oven can get to 400 C (~850 F). That’s seriously hot but K doubt it’s necessary for engine blocks. And probably unwise to go that far.

[@Bobbywolf64]

While I am sure the machine shop appreciates an initial cleaning to get most of the gunk off, you are only wasting effort once you go beyond that point. They are going to bake or hot tank it anyways, and clean it how they want it. You making it super clean before they get it may not be the best use of your time.

[@ellieprice363]

Hmm, I wonder how that would taste on a hot biscuit?

[@yafois988]

I was going to post this topic, WHY cant ppl have the coherent thought about bringing an excessively FUNK grease covered engine to a shop. This was absolutely stupid to do to anyone.

[@cbdav2761]

Just my 2cent I believe the lack of oil seals contributed a whole lot, especially during hot soak. Josh you are so so fortunate to have a Pro teach you these secrets. You both are blessed.

[@franswa455]

Here in Australia we had the 3800 in holden commodores for a long time .great engine

[@JamesTrigg]

damn things were bullet proof , much better than the 6s that GMH replaced them with

[@scottallpress3818]

Won’t be late in a 3.8 !

[@adaml19]

The pride of 90's-2000's P-platers!! 😂

[@georgebettiol8338]

The GM 3800 was a 90 degree V which is an inherently poor design. However there is no debate - the engine was both durable and reliable - so hats off to GM for that engine.

[@sjcottsi]

Ring wear in Buick cylinders was common. They were Hastings rings. When the cars were new you could hear them squeaking until they were seated.

[@raycollington4310]

You’re bang on with the thermostat. Working in a large truck fleet repair shop many years ago, I remember a truck had issues and needed an engine replacement. Thermostats were in short supply and believe it or not the thermostat got transferred to the replacement engine. You can guess what happened with the old thermostat in the new engine. This was a crazy thing to do, I’m 100% with the cleaning guy. He’s been around the block and had the time and experience to learn all this knowledge. Youngsters are slow to appreciate the knowledge that accompanies grey hair.

[@ka4dpo]

The cleaning guy is like a walking Chiltons manual for just about every engine ever made. I learn something every time I watch you guys. Thanks.

[@jonhaskell9630]

I grew up hanging out at a junkyard in New England. The common feeling about those odd fires going bad was because of that external oil pump trying to do its thing during warm-up in extreme cold. Oil starvation during COLD start. Keep up with the great videos.

[@Paul1958R]

Arent all the junkyards in New England owned by one family?

[@jcnpresser]

Probably that and people running too heavy weight Oil.

[@Joshie2256]

That feature is shared by the Buick V8 and the second generation AMC V8 is similar.

[@jonhaskell9630]

LKQ has been gobbling them up, and then slicing any competition with insane low prices, then they buy them up as well. Lenny Quan is the name I always hear as "LKQ". Guess where all the premium metals get shipped to.

[@ni_wink84]

I really enjoy your videos, it reminds me of when I was just a know nothing kid that got hired at a race engine shop to be the cleaning guy, I did the tear downs cook and mag, all the jet washes and whatever any of the guys with skills didn’t want to do 😂 but I learned a massive amount of knowledge about engines and tolerances, things that are very important to check when building, and I got to see all kinds of complete disaster engines that would come through that I was the first to see where they failed. A trick I used for the stuck block/galley gallery plugs was acetylene torch to orange, then a white paraffin candle melted onto it while it’s hot, worked every single time! Thanks to your channel I get to re live those days and I truly appreciate what you guys do! And the back and forth banter always gets me laughing. From one cleaning guy to another, thank you for sharing your shop here on KZbin

[@Onewheelordeal]

Dang I might just try your candle trick if my wife has a box of stick candles laying around somewhere

[@ni_wink84]

@@Onewheelordeal it works, the wax (paraffin) soakes the metal

[@bobdavis5216]

Funny how when you say “we can’t go there “ you just did. Love the interaction between you guys, enjoy it while you have it. My dad and I had the same thing, really miss him.

[@BruceWayne426]

Since discovering your channel a while back when it was featured on a Haggerty video, you have become my favorite and most relaxing way to spend time learning and being entertained at the same time. I have owned a 1949 CJ 2A for 35 years and helped overhaul the motor a short time after purchase. I had a crack in the block that the local tech school teacher fixed with a nickel rod and we have not touched it since. Filming your projects adds an extra layer of effort but, be assured, what you are doing is a part of mechanical history that, for the most part is quickly disappearing from our culture. Jim, you remind me so much of the machine shop operators I grew up with watching as a kid in small town Nebraska. Josh, you will never know how blessed you are to have a dad that is so knowledgable and willing to share his experiences with you and the world. Savor and enjoy every minute you have together! Keep the videos coming.

[@clynesnowtail1257]

Jeep has used so many different brands of engine. When I was growing up, my mother's 2nd husband bought a retired USPS Jeep with a Audi/VW engine. I remember that because he fought with so many parts stores trying to get parts for that engine. They would try to look up 4 cylinder Jeep/AMC engines and sell him those parts. One of the things it went through pretty often was timing belts. So he would go in and ask for a timing belt for a '79 Jeep and get blank stares. Approaching the level of asking for blinker fluid. But it did have a timing belt. So just doing a quick look up on Wikipedia, the 1979 Jeep DJ-5G came with a VW EA831 4 cylinder.

[@billh230]

I thought the later DJ used the GM "Iron Duke"? I vaguely remember the VAG motor in the Jeep. Maybe the GM motor was in the later aerodynamic box models.

[@clynesnowtail1257]

@@billh230 According to wikipedia, which we all know is a bastion of accuracy, the VAG motor was in '79 and in '82 was the iron duke

[@billh230]

@@clynesnowtail1257 Got it, thanks.

[@ellieprice363]

Some of the big Jeep Cherokees had 352 Ford V8s.

[@AsswipeGarage]

If he had any sense, he would've got rid of that POS after the 2nd belt. Slow learner.

[@rickh8380]

As always...awesome work guys. Looking forward to the next installment. I love seeing old iron and the unique ways they manufactured parts and assemblies. Take care.

[@haydenc2742]

"Shaking everything he picks up" = deleted scenes and bloopers? Man loving watching you guys tear down motors and diagnose problems...very very cool Definitely needs the Jamsi TLC and she will be back and in 100%...no better than factory! Keep em coming!!!!

[@gabrielmarcos1069]

This is an awesome video, showing the evidence and history of the engine. This is exactly what an oldschool diesel mechanic from denmark is looking for. Great stuff

[@dingebre]

Best engine I ever, EVER had in a Jeep! Love seeing one apart again. Brings back great memories as a teenager tearing mine apart and re-building it. My exhaust ports looked similar to yours when I took off the headers if memory serves. I had a set of Hooker headers, an Edelbrock intake, and Carter 4 bbl. It did everything I ever asked it to. I recently got a look at the prototype Jeep CJ5 into which Hayes Brother’s Jeep in Salt Lake City installed the first Buick 225 Odd Fire engine that inspired Jeep to use the engine. I offered to buy it, but the guy refused 😂. Yes they had smog pumps, at least my 1970 CJ5 did.

[@lukebrennan5780]

This thing was everywhere! in the early 90's GM-Holden in Australia (GMH) - Holden manufactured their own 3.8-litre V6 engine based on a Buick design, adapted from FWD to RWD. Supposedly near bullet-proof.

[@dougmorley2850]

Good to see people that have the knowledge to fix stuff , unlike other channels that just see how much money they can spend buying new parts and just slapping it together !

[@tinkmarshino]

Thanks guys that was , as always, a lot of fun..

[@LarryBunch-q7j]

It is good to see a Father and Son enjoy their work and time together. Really enjoy your Videos!

[@donchonealyotheoneal5456]

I would almost guarantee that you were right about the timing gear. All of the 70s to 90s Buicks use the nylon capped gear and they failed miserably I replaced at least 2 of them in my life. I really like the way you guys work together. It doesn't remind me of the way my father and I worked together because it was always difficult. My dad knew a lot about engine. mechanics and I thought I knew as much as him. So, sometimes it would come to arguments. But I still enjoyed the hell out of it. And I miss him every day. So thank you guys for Reminding me of the good old days of working with my father we did a lot of shade tree mechanicing and fortunately, most of it worked out ❤ One last thing my father always told me that I could break an anvil in a sandbox. Because I was always breaking tools, Especially shovel handles.

[@RobFarish]

Cleaning guy should be teaching this stuff. Master level. Or this channel should be required watching for all those youngsters aspiring to automotive machine work. This is a learning experience. And a beautiful father/son relationship.

[@TerryWaitman]

I just started watching you guys a couple of nights ago and love watching you guys going through a tear down and figuring out what went wrong and how to fix it!

[@raynyhus2026]

They also used the buick 350 and the rambler 327 before the amc 360. They also used the gm 2.8 v6 and 2.5 4 cylinder in the 80's.

[@jimw7ry]

I had a Olds 403 Ci SB V8 in my brand new 1979 Pontiac Formula stock from the factory. The engine was even painted gold!

[@Brutalford]

I always used to drill a whole small hole into the thermostat To allow it to bleed air

[@Wheel_Horse]

Most I've seen already have that bleed hole. I've seen many installed upside down!

[@Jonathan-hx6oy]

That extra heavy flywheel also helps maintain engine momentum when shifting. Keeps from lugging motor down.

[@rpujol]

I have a CJ3 Willys Jeep in Spain, and we swapped the original L4-134 engine for a brand new Dauntless V6-225 to do some rock crawler fun. Now the Jeep rises its front axle a cuple feet in the air when you step the gas pedal to the floor. 😄😄.

[@gavmansworkshop5624]

Digging these longer videos mate, cheers 🍻. About to play this one before bed here in Australia 🇦🇺

[@garryneufeld-nm1lk]

Love seeing old cp air tools still being used I have the same impacts and still use them

[@tonyegan4651]

These were used in the Holden Commodore here in Australia for 20 yrs I owned a 92 and 94 model from new. Didn't disappoint.😊

[@Kevin-w4l]

Hi guys I just wated to really thank you. I am doing a car basics class this year at Nature Discovery Christian Accademy. The class is going to watch a couple of the videos to see what a Machinist really does when you take your car motor in and have things done on it. I do not have all the machinery that you do so we can just sit back and watch. Thanks again from Mr. B

[@wacholder5690]

Buick made some interesting engines. The Alu-V8 for instance that migrated into the Rover-V8. And the various 90° V6 as well. Nice to watch you taking it apart. It is always a fun to see both of you team up so nicely and making an otherwise pretty boring operation so interesting and educational. Thanks for showing and carry on the good work. This is - by far - my favourite "motor channel" on the net. It is because of the good mix of infos, humour and good teamwork - and lack of "sensational" and staged work.

[@ataxpayer723]

From 1961-1963, Oldsmobile manufactured its own version of the Buick-designed, all-aluminum 215 cubic inch (3.5L) V8 engine for the F-85 compact. Known variously as the Rockette, Cutlass, and Turbo-Rocket by Oldsmobile (and as Fireball and Skylark by Buick), it was a compact, lightweight engine measuring 28 in (71 cm) long, 26 in (66 cm) wide, and 27 in (69 cm) high, with a dry weight of only 320 lb (150 kg).The Oldsmobile engine was very similar to the Buick engine, but not identical: it had larger wedge combustion chambers with flat-topped (rather than domed) pistons, six bolts rather than five per cylinder head, and slightly larger intake valves; the valves were actuated by shaft-mounted rocker arms like the Buick and Pontiac versions, but the shafts and rockers were unique to Oldsmobile. With an 8.75:1 compression ratio and a 2-barrel carburetor, the Olds 215 had the same rated hp, 155 hp (116 kW) at 4800 rpm, as the Buick 215, with 220 ft⋅lbf (300 N⋅m) of torque at 2400 rpm. With a 4-barrel carburetor and 10.25:1 compression, the Olds 215 made 185 hp (138 kW) at 4800 rpm and 230 lb⋅ft (310 N⋅m) at 3200 rpm with a manual transmission. With a 4-barrel carburetor and 10.75:1 compression, the Olds 215 made 195 hp (145 kW) at 4800 rpm and 235 lb⋅ft (319 N⋅m) at 3200 rpm with an automatic. The Buick version was rated at 200 hp with an 11:1 compression ratio. The Oldsmobile Turbo-Rocket had 10.25:1 compression and was rated at 215 hp (160 kW). The Buick version of the 215 V8 went on to become the well known Rover V8, which still remains in limited production, utilizing the Buick-style pistons, heads, and valve train gear. The Oldsmobile engine block formed the basis of the Repco 3-liter engine used by Brabham to win the 1966 and 1967 Formula One world championships. The early Repco engines produced up to 300 bhp (220 kW), and featured new SOHC cylinder heads and iron cylinder liners. The 1967 and later versions of the Repco engine had proprietary engine blocks. In the mid-1980s, hot rodders discovered the 215 could be stretched to as much as 305 cu in (5 L), using the Buick 300 crankshaft, new cylinder sleeves, and an assortment of non-GM parts. It could also be fitted with high-compression cylinder heads from the Morgan +8.

[@surferdude4487]

We had a 1973 Chevy Impala wagon with the 350 2 bbl under the hood. When the smaug pump gave up, we chopped the hoses and plugged them with cartidge fuses. After that, the car ran great.

[@stephencarter1442]

the 225 Kenne and Bell was the only show for hard parts Offy had the headers and manifold and OBerg filter kept it alive and Melling took care of us on the oil pump put a 250 shot of NOS in a 1950 Willys CJ2A in the Kingdome Mud Bog circa 1981 3rd place .I ran the Buick to the Limit. Top 5 for a Jeep.!

[@sirtauaa]

4:26

[@LoganPEade]

My thoughts about the crankshaft thrust bearing's odd appearance is lots of slow crawling clutch holding actually did overheat it and cause that slightly melted look, great video guys!

[@maestromecanico597]

I am totally feeling that two-of-every-tool thing. Remember, it's better to have two of something than none of something.

[@MarthallersMisadventures]

Im always amazed that you can figure out where all the fasteners go back into. Any time i pulled anything apart i had dozens of containers to group and sort my fasteners

[@bertgrau3934]

I do the same thing. Better safe than scratching your head wondering where a bunch of bolts go. 😊

[@adaml19]

You gotta give Buick V6's, they are such bloody tough engines, the neglect and abuse they will take is unreal! We've had the 3.8 V6 here in Aus from 1988 and 3-400,000kms is not uncommon, even when abused. Great engine.

[@clintonsmith9931]

Olds and Buick used the v6 in mid size cars all thru the 80s. The 4 liter was the 4bbl version, it livened up the old 82Buick .

[@ellieprice363]

The Buick Grand National V6 was some kind of a mean beast.

[@DDE_ADDICT]

Man, every video, you step it up. You are killing it on KZbin. I can wait to see 1 million subs.

[@austincjett]

As a kid, I remember taking a 1947 or 48 flat head V8 apart. The rod bearing design fumbuzzled me and the valve guides made 8 built in vacuum leaks.

[@blackenigma1054]

I don’t know guys, it’s just something different about how you guys break those engines down. sure there are other on youtube that do it but idk, they don’t actually explain what they think or how an engine came to be.at his was reall a good one and i thank you guys for just keeping it simple👍🏿😂

[@logancarter2134]

I agree. This is my favorite engine channel because they keep it simple and talk normally about the engine, no hype and no music.

[@kevinferry126]

Nice to see what should be a simple machine and rebuild. Looking forward to seeing the rest of this build.

[@philstabile173]

As an Aussie we got the 3800in our rear wheel drive commodore sedans and Utes,a very reliable and long lasting engine,of course GM pulled out of oz after we rejected their front wheel drive commodore replacement.

[@yafois988]

The 3.8 went into a wide variety of GM cars- Buick etc. The N0N turbo were well known for 300K moles + of very reliable running and usually about 25-30 MPG! Very easy to work on, lots of room to get at things, plentiful parts too. Shops recommend these engines for reliability in “certain' years, again NON-turbo version.

[@51ubetcha]

As a GM tech from 1979 to 2016, that 3800 Buick engine was one tough design. The later generations were better than the first. Yes there were components that were crappy like plastic coolant elbows and plastic intake gaskets and other things but the engine itself was strong was really no slouch.

[@kalybnielsen4183]

The Dauntless engines were absolutely awesome, had a 1970 Jeepster Commando with a Dauntless 225

[@MikeHarris1984]

3800 is one of the best engines ever! I had that in my 2002 Grand Prix GTP. And it was super charged. That engine was freaking bulletproof! There is only one big weakness on it or two I should say, which was the plenum gaskets were known to leak due to the early Dex Cool that would eat through it and then there's a set of 90° plastic elbows on the back side of the intake that is a PITA to install or replace but always a good idea to replace it when you're in there doing other maintenance if you've never done it. Because they will blow out and leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere at the most opportune time

[@jeffrogers2180]

My last 3800 was a 2006 Grand Prix. I previously had a 2001 supercharged Grand Prix. Great engine.

[@shira22horse]

Amazing to see! I use it too. It solved every problem I had with my business.

[@marioncobaretti2280]

Oil was terrible back in those days, it was a big deal to reach 100,000 miles

[@Sunspot-19]

That was when people would use detergent oil in older engines and they didn't have full filtration. Grunge would embed in the bearings and grind the crank to smitherines!! Take it apart and the bearings would look new and all the journals would be worn below minimum spec. Older engines with partial filtration require nondetergent oil.

[@edwardromana]

Also fuel injection was responsible for longer engine life

[@Sunspot-19]

@@edwardromana And, why do you suppose that might be? Better fuel delivery however, the majority of fuel comtamination in oil is during warmup when blowby is at its greatest. Short tripping exacebates that problem since the oil never reaches operating temperature. Operating temperature will eliminate fuel contamination if the engine is run for 15 to 20 miles. Fuel contamination dliutes the oil to the point that water has more viscosity.

[@raoulcruz4404]

Quality of oil was just fine. The low mileage life of cars was more to do with parts availability of a particular model. Typically driven 10k to 12k per year back then. By the time the design was outmoded in 8 to 10 years the car only had about 90k on it. As for filtration. Just depends on the owner. Cheap oil filters were just that. You get what you pay for. Quality filters were available. Typical cars that my family and I drove hit 180k. Still driving one with 319k miles (not km) all original internals.

[@AsswipeGarage]

Fuel dilution due to chokes on carburetors contributed mightily.

[@MrSlipstreem]

A pleasure to watch as always. Thanks guys. 😊

[@woody95124]

Good stuff gentleman. Pops knows his stuff..been around awile..knowledge is abundant

[@johnwagner800]

I'm ready for this one, popcorn & all...

[@nevillegoddard4966]

Good job fellas! That oil control ring problem sux though! Geez! Is this the only type of engine that had this problem?

[@bulkchart3239]

i put a mechanical oil pressure gauge on my buick with the 3.8l. with 265,000 miles on it, it ran 65 psi of oil pressure when crusing down the highway in overdrive. that's why that engine lasted forever!

[@kb9oak749]

Thats why modern engines post ~2010 won't last. Thin oil, variable volume and or pressure oil pumps, stupid "tech" that decides how and when a part gets oil and belt driven oil pumps that require the entire cab of a truck to be removed to change the belt and or timing belt. Just stupid designed obsolesce.

[@grahamdavies5634]

I like the air valve spring compressor , This is a great channel, right on point

[@tpcoachfix]

Thanks!

[@JAMSIONLINE]

Thank you!

[@grizzlytb]

I'm thinking with that massive flywheel and it being a manual in a jeep that the thrust bearings would take a lot of pressure from the clutch and low end clutch burns,

[@FMCguy]

As a mechanic I support replacing the thermostat every time your into it that far. I've had one fail to open, and one stick open after engine work. Since then it gets replaced every time I'm into it that far. 11:00

[@joeellison-z2n]

I really enjoy watching you and your father work together

[@danwalls8466]

These tear down videos are my favorite!

[@shootermcgavin2819]

As far as throwing away every used thermostat, that only pertains to the good ol days when quality control was the reason for reliable parts. Now days you keep away from new parts as best as you can because nobody knows how to make anything anymore.

[@DocFeelGood4]

15:28 just a suggestion for the camera man. A nice bright ass light on the front of the camera would be great for shots like this. Love the content.

[@carolinemcnabb9957]

Had one in a 67 cj5 I was 16 and beat it without mercy everyday Overreved it racing etc Never failed 20 mpg needed a timing chain once never used oil It was the best engine GM ever made Love your work

[@landcruiser1868]

Try one of the Coil type electric induction heaters that you hold over top for studs , plugs , bolts as alternative for flame . Long time fan of your channel Would like to see pictures of back when the cleaning guy first started out and any progressive photos of the evolution of workshop being setup and gradually taking shape to what it is now. Back through his younger days to current ✅

[@mikezimmermann89]

At 42:46, I’m thinking “re-ringed”. Rung is something a bell did in the past.

[@SeanJoseph-s2s]

Enjoyed the teardown content looking forward to seeing more on machining and assembling the V6... thanks...🔧🔧👍

[@splaw120]

Another cozy video. Thanks guys!

[@redryderaus]

I'm looking forward to a series of videos following this engine through your shop.

[@TM15R]

Based on the 6 throw crank, this is an early ODD FIRING engine. Another easy way to spot is the 3 PRONGED TRIGGER WHEEL.

[@billh230]

Honest question. Wouldn't the trigger wheel indicate a later engine with electronic ignition?

[@JAMSIONLINE]

This is the odd firing engine but no trigger wheel here. Just a simple breaker point distributor and coil.

[@BillMalcolm-tn3kq]

That's a three-throw crank, not 6. Take another look. The three throw crank gave the uneven firing in a 90 degree V. They went to offset crank pins and 6 throws for '77 to get even firing. The age of this particular engine is somewhere between '67 and '74, which is when Kaiser Jeep owned the tooling. The original iron uneven-fire came out in 1962 for Buick as a 198 cu in woofler. Easy enough to search for - I remember reading the advertorial Popular Science article as a teenager which claimed it was a smoothie when it wasn't. Even PS said, well, IF you tried hard, really hard, well yeah you could tell it wasn't even firing. Heck all you had to do was listen to one idle. Gotta sell it to the rubes by claiming it wasn't THAT bad. Beat the Chevy II four cylinder and the Pontiav Iron Duke throbbers though -- those were both hopeless engines foisted off on the public by GM. So then GM made an even worse four cylinder, the Vega engine. Don't think any European manufacturer made a worse engine than that complete load of rubbish. You had to try to be THAT bad, and GM succeeded. At least the Buick V6 came good in the end as the 3800. No trigger wheel for at least 15 years from '62.

[@jimhaines8370]

Early sixties Buick Special engines also in 198 ci. size at first Hastings used to say Tough on oil pumping gentle on cylinder walls.

[@herrjanssen8531]

I just love watching you guys!

[@Carcrafter7165]

Back in the early 80’s I remember seeing a 64 Buick special in a junkyard with the very same engine and a 3speed on the collum manual transmission.

[@kloeppky6613]

Excellent video once again. Thanks for these!

[@SteveNicoson-u1i]

Thanks for another interesting video Jim and Nickolas. It was interesting to see you dismantle the entire engine system. It appears just an older worn out engine that needs a rebuild. Didn’t see anything that was out of the ordinary. Just time to rebuild the engine. Had not seen one of these Buick 3800’s come apart before. Was interesting. You should be able to rebuild without any issues from what you see now anyway. Excellent work on the dismantling of the engine. Clean it up and start the rebuild process. Thanks to both of you for your narratives while taking it apart. Learned more from you both on this one. Thanks for the education. Looking forward to the rebuild. Thanks for everything. The retired Air Force veteran. 😊😊👍✅🇺🇸

[@JAMSIONLINE]

Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@peterparsons7141]

Really hope you guys have found a worthy apprentice to benefit and experience what it is like to work in a good professional machine shop. I owe much to the experienced professionals I’ve had the pleasure to work with, similarly it always motivated me to go a little extra for young folks working to gain experience.

[@kb9oak749]

I hope there is a part 2. I want to see the rebuild and perhaps a run and drive.

[@ComputerCapone]

secondary skid plate, hahahah. That was genuinly funny. you guys are growing on me.

[@archbuilder71]

Thanks for the video on the Dauntless. I have one that I will be tearing down in the next month or so. I will be curious if I see ring wear like your two engines have had. I hope you guys show the rebuild, I am curious to learn a little more about the front and rear seal / cam buttons you guys will be using.

[@Selmerpilot]

Lots of great odd fire V6s out there. Maserati built an odd fire V6 for Citroen in the late 60s, raced it with great success at Lemans with Ligier in 73-74. Then in the 80s, Cosworth built the 6r4 motor for MG, made fabulous power, that same block and head combo was used, slightly different, in the Jaguar xj220. Most recently, Maserati and the new MC20 again uses an odd fire 90 degree v6.

[@vhrocks81]

I’m just guessing they are about the same engine, but this really takes me back to my first car: ‘81 Caprice with a 229 ci, odd-fire V-6. You guys are making me want to tear that engine down and go through it, as I think it is still around! I had pulled it planning to put in a 350, but never got that far. It was way too little power for such a big car, and if I remember right it burned a lot of oil.

[@BillMalcolm-tn3kq]

Yeah, after Buick gave the 231 good manners and even-firing with the split pin offset for '77, Chevrolet had to get a rilly, rilly cheap engine for the base Impala. That special crank Buick made for the updated V6 cost good money, maybe an extra 20 bucks! So Chevy lopped two cylinders off the 305, kept the cheap three throw cranks and voila! The 229 throbber. For ahem, economical owners. Honestly, I think it was the Japanese that forced Detroit not to be such ridiculously penny-pinching twits in the late '70s, early '80s. They grabbed market share by not making crap. GM would produce the most insincere cheapo muck imaginable, lost market share and had to mend their ways. Even Chrysler's K-Car engine four cylinder was better than GM's awkward efforts until they got Opel and Holden to design a couple of half-decent fours for the J-Cars. The Opel SOHC was made in Brazil for Pontiac Sunbirds to save three bucks compared to buying the engine from Opel in Germany. Cheap, cheap, cheap. General Motors. Made up my mind in the '60s -- no Detroit junk for me. The only time i was tempted was the late '80s Ford Taurus. A quite reasonable car that didn't reek of 27 cents having been saved somewhere, a dozen times over.

[@johnkruger3661]

Good work Guys I enjoy your videos cheers Bundaberg Australia

[@StephenKirker]

Plus, love the welding PPE.

[@LyleBrand]

watching you guys on a tear down reminds me of a mechanic that i worked with he was a mit gurate fvery part was micker an wrote down in a notebook very good mechanic but very nerve racking to watch him work.

[@bigbearvenom6145]

The exhaust system was flowing the best they could they were stock cast iron manifolds. Beings that's an exit the only restriction their is, is the head port itself and that carboned ledge which really slows reversion. Great video like the ribbing all in fun.

[@derekbelcher5363]

I hadnt heard about those engines till I had a customer come on with a 69 Jeepster that he bought when he was a Chrysler jeep employee and he told me it was a prototype Jeepster that was painted 2 different paint schemes. It only had 16k miles on it and still looked brand new. I had to get it going for him to run in the Toledo Ohio jeep parade.

[@billkea7224]

I had one of these engines in a 64 Olds F-85. It wasn't bad a bad engine, but would occasionally have a lifter tap. It also didn't leak oil like this one.

[@rogerdulworth3086]

Great job guys, hopefully it goes smoothly with no problems 👍❤️🙏🏻

[@popeye089]

You guys have become my favorite channel. I know nothing about machining but enjoy listening and watching. Thanks

[@jamesdavis8021]

I had a 1970 Johnson Sea Sport tri hull boat. Had a Buick 225 V6.It was a great engine. The only difference between the 225 and the 231. I believe the only difference is the heads. The oil pump went out ,damaging the crank when my dad owned it. The replacement parts came out of a 231.He did a good job because, I never had a problem with it.If you can find one of those that was on a OMC out drive, you will probably have a good engine.They are always very clean.

[@CosRacecar]

Is the thrust bearing wear maybe from overkill pressure plate springs?

[@jtclark4534]

If the engine is out of a jeep cj, the smog plugs in the exhaust ports are factory. I’ve got a ‘71. The last year of the 225 dauntless in the cj’s. It’s been in my family since new. Never had smog of any kind. With the skid plate on the oil pan, I’d say it’s from a ‘69 jeep

[@ewathoughts8476]

California CJs had the smog pump. I had a 1968 and I ground the tubes while the heads were off and replaced with plugs. I then die grinded the part of the plugs that protruded into the exhaust passages. Remember, California always ruins a good thing if they can.

[@tdotw77]

1:40 Well thats quite the story right there! GM sells engine 'rights' to Kaiser then buys it back years later. Sounds like a not-so-great-idea if ya ask me, wonder why GM needed a big bailout years later! Those old GM v-6's were really good engines back in the 90's into '00's - 2.8, 3.1, 3.4, & 3.8 (Corsica, Lumina, Betetta, GrandAm\Prix, Cutlas Ciera, etc) were decent runners and I had a couple of them back in my younger days back when you could buy a beater for $500 or less. I had a couple $100 GM v8(305) rear wheel drive beaters too in the late 90's(Cutlass Supreme, Delta 88, Grand Prix, Caprice Classic, etc). I'm not a GM fan but those were the days for GM and all went downhill afterwards. --->>Anyways back to watching the video now, I got slightly sidetracked there......🤣🤦🏻‍♂️👍🏻😎👌🏻 ✊🏻🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸✊🏻

[@YamacrawJess]

I had one in a 1969 Kaiser Frazier Jeepster Commando. It was a really good engine for this top quality 4wd.

[@noneofyourbusiness7600]

Looking forward to part 2 on this one..