Jane Austen Scholar Reviews Bridgerton "Manners"

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Interpretation of manners in Bridgerton through the lens of Jane Austen’s “Pride and Prejudice.”
“Bridgerton”, NETFLIX (2020)
“Pride and Prejudice”, BBC, 1995, currently on HULU
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[@EyeLean5280]

Yes, there are many divergences from proper Regency etiquette so I needed to just accept from the beginning that Bridgerton is * not * set in the historical Regency era, but in a fantasy world that has never existed (or perhaps in another dimension, for those who prefer sci fi), and therefore is a world run by different rules.

[@astrothsknot]

that's kind of how i look at most historical romances. even classic books fit that trope to a certain extent - we're reinterpreting the work through our own culture and our understanding of their culture.

[@ellie698]

There's no way I can bring myself to watch it. Instead I'm re reading all six of Austen's novels and lots of books about Austen and her life and works.

[@nancyring8104]

The reason I read (and love) Jane Austen and other nineteenth century authors is that I can get a real feeling for the times! Bridgerton was disappointing to me because it was just “Real Housewives” in pretty costumes ( and inaccurate ones,at that!!)

[@ddman10001]

There is a reason men don't watch Jane Austin movies but will watch Bridgerton Jane Austin Movies and story lines are BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@micheledix2616]

@@ddman10001 but I do think Jane Austin was commenting on the real semi political, socio-economic society of the day with a bit of angst, romance suitable for that times readers thrown in where as Julia Quinns books(Bridgerton series) are a modern writers version of Georgian life with more explicit sex 😁

[@Didleeios88]

The costumes aren't pretty. They look like they came out of of the dollar bin at Spirit.

[@Didleeios88]

13:23 see polyester gloves. There's even a scene not in this video where you see threads hanging off Dafne's dress.

[@mayloo2137]

@@micheledix2616 did you watch the Bridgerton series, or read the books first? I usually watch the adaptation first, but in Bridgertons' case, I read the books first. I only had to watch the trailers to know I wouldn't watch the series. Edit if you don't mind explicit sex scenes, and like a mystery along with the romance, I highly suggest reading Stephanie Laurens and her Cynster series.

[@tonia.5861]

Isn’t Mr. Darcy’s first name Fitzwilliam? It was his mother’s maiden name I believe.

[@katdenning6535]

Yes. We only know it because he signed his letter to Elizabeth with his full name. It’s not mentioned anywhere else.

[@dezbiggs6363]

Glad to know i was right lol i was unsure

[@ladyethyme]

Yep

[@karinbroberg6683]

Oh my, never realized Fitzwilliam was his mothers maiden name, but of course it is! Lady Catherine, Darcys mother, and Colonel Fitzwilliams father are/were siblings. Thank you!

[@susanscott8653]

@@karinbroberg6683 I believe Lady Catherine is Darcy's aunt. She wanted him to marry her daughter, who would be his cousin.

[@siobhand3899]

I love the cat desperately trying to open the door

[@stringofpearls4551]

24:24- Cat peeks around door 24:26- Cat witnesses sex scene between Daphne and the Duke...and is AGHAST 24:36- After a brief recovery of her senses, Cat returns to see more; like a horrific accident, Cat finds she cannot look away

[@rikkus]

Fitzwilliam! I remember it vividly because English is not my first language, and as a teen reading Pride and Prejudice for the first time, I had absolutely no idea how to pronounce it. I've spent a good half hour trying out different pronunciations alone in my room.

[@k.schmidt2740]

If I remember correctly, Daphne is running away from an unwelcome "introduction", when she bumps into Simon at her first ball. She is trying to legitimately enter into a conversation with a man she does not know, just so that she can get rid of the bothersome wannabe suitor. For that reason, she asks for the name of the unknown stranger, so it looks as though they have been introduced.

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

Agreed, she isn’t trying to get a suitor in the scene but just ran into someone by accident and I liked the scene and I think Austen could have written something similar considering it was a humorous scene and she was escaping a creep so it’s natural not to be on your best manners and think cleverly to escape. But the other issues in Bridgeton accuracy (like corset hate! do bother me).

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

Engaged couples could call each other by first name as well as marriages couples. Mr Darcy calls Elizabeth Bennet just Elizabeth right after they get engaged (even though Elizabeth keeps calling him Darcy, I guess because she is used to it by her parents and Darcy is actually shorter than his first name). And more importantly in Sense and Sensibility Marianne and Willoghby are in first name basis which makes her mother and sister to think they are engaged (along with the other informalities and romantic gestures like him having her hair), when they are just romantic types.

[@asdabir]

I only remember her calling him Willoughby which is his last name

[@draig2614]

I once had cats named Darcy and Lizzy - when Darcy mis-behaved, he became Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy! (Also - your cat is the bestest.) Thank you for this deep dive - I watched it when it was first uploaded, and even when I realized that I’d seen it before, I kept watching to the end.

[@AJaneiteSews]

Oh, thank you so much!! And those are excellent cat names!

[@darklymoonlit]

I'm really enjoying these deeper dives into Regency history and society!

[@michelleb9301]

I had to laugh at "Bangerton"!

[@mayloo2137]

Yuck!

[@lorisewsstuff1607]

I wonder how many people that watch Bridgerton have also watched the 2020 Emma and noticed the differences?

[@availanila]

Clearly you haven't stumbled upon Costube Ranking 2020 🧐 you must visit Bernadette Banner's ranking first.

[@shoepixie]

Here is a serious scholar giving a well-considered, researched, and very intelligent rundown, and then me - who would fancy myself a serious scholar as well, sitting her watching this excellent video and going "but what is the cat up to?"

[@AJaneiteSews]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🐈

[@sarahperni]

7:57 Fitzwilliam! Also just wanted to say how glad I am to have recently stumbled across this channel! Looking forward to binging the backlog and all future uploads :^)

[@AJaneiteSews]

Thank you!!!

[@ninaklein8154]

I really appreciated your analysis of Marina. So much I didn't consider about her storyline. Very thoughtful. No bonnets really bugs me. Can't help myself.

[@ReinaElizondo]

At first, I thought this was a follow up lol. Would love to see more of this type! Still love the cat falling over at 'explosions'.

[@AJaneiteSews]

I have more in the works! Thanks for watching again!

[@MindiB]

Your cat is charming! I am really enjoying this viewpoint on real Regency history versus Bridgestone; I hope Janeites can find room to enjoy both!

[@mdmaybe]

The Andrew Davies Pride & Prejudice is the BEST ONE!

[@glendodds3824]

Yes it is. I also have a high opinion of the BBC's 1980 adaptation.

[@hattyburrow716]

Absolutely. A little harsh on Mrs B but by far the best

[@maryloumawson6006]

I have tried to watch Bridgerton a few times and utterly failed to even finish the episode. I enjoy history, and historical fiction. I understand when a script has to be altered for time, or even historical accuracy to communicate the character's motivation and move the plot forward for the audience. However, at virtually every opportunity the audience is confronted with ahistorical actions and completely inappropriate language and manners that take a viewer outside of the story entirely. The "RULES" were not there to oppress people or more specifically women, but to ensure the proper order of society. Young ladies were considered "RUINED" if their behavior made their virtue suspect. That is because their future husband's first concern would be to secure an heir of his body. You can trace most of society's edicts on young women back to that motivation. Even if a young woman innocently found herself pregnant by a man she mistakenly believed would marry her and didn't, her behavior would have shown a very serious lack of judgement that a future husband could NOT ignore. This is why the breaking of rules was of such consequence in that era. We can lament them now, we can disagree with them now, but we cannot put modern thoughts in the mouths of characters who were living in the 19th century.

[@mandvibajpai8515]

Loved your analysis!!!! Especially the little tidbit about Byron's thoughts on Waltz.

[@AJaneiteSews]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@wickedminx5014]

You are right on the Best Pride and Predijuice. I'm with you!

[@glendodds3824]

Hi. I have enjoyed listening to your comments. It is of course true that the landed gentry (the largest section of the British upper class) had lower status than the aristocracy and they are thus sometimes dismissed as small fry, but it was fairly commonplace for members of the gentry to marry into the aristocracy. For example, in 1728 Thomas Robinson of Rokeby Park married the eldest daughter of the Earl of Carlisle and at the time of Pride and Prejudice the Duchess of Northumberland (whose husband was one of the richest and grandest members of the nobility) was the daughter of a country gentleman. Furthermore, in 1817, the year of Jane Austen's death, Mark Milbank of Barningham and Thorp Perrow married Lady Augusta Henrietta Vane, the 20-year-old daughter of the rich Earl of Darlington. Consequently, in Pride and Prejudice much of what Lady Catherine de Bourgh says to Elizabeth Bennet in their confrontation at Longbourn was exaggerated and therefore rightly dismissed by Miss Bennet who was well aware that Lady Catherine herself had married into the landed gentry, as had Lady Catherine's sister.

[@limerence8365]

I remember reading Emma and every time Mr Knightley's brother was mentioned he was called Mr John Knightley to distinguish him from said brother and this video just got me thinking about that because it's propably the only time ever in a book that there is reason to call out someone's full name in a book as writing it over and over again could be cumbersome. Even Mr Darcy is shortened to Darcy and only Mr Collins says Lady Catherine de Burgh when he's speaking.

[@laurahamilton8426]

Daphne and Eloise being rude / girl bosses doesn't make them cool or relatable. They're self-involved and awful. Being kind and polite isn't dull!

[@OstblockLatina]

It's funny to at some times to hear that the black girl was used to let the white saviours shine, or another black person served yet another function that the white people invented for them, and at other times that the black characters weren't black enough because they had light skin tan and face features bordering on caucasian (with the exception of the Simon's father). All of it from the people on the same side of the political barricade.

[@Statuess]

11:56 reminded me of a scene in (I believe?) Camilla by Fanny Burney, in which an unappealing gentleman makes a big deal of having lost a glove and going about procuring some more so he can dance with the heroine.

[@greendragon8452]

I’ve just discovered your videos and am loving your intelligent discussions of historical culture. And I love seeing your adorable cats making occasional appearances!

[@AJaneiteSews]

Thank you so much!

[@andreagriffiths3512]

Yes to Marina but in the books she wasn’t pregnant and she was married to Crane at the start of the book although I do believe she had been engaged to his brother when he died - not pregnant to him. It was a pity really because it kinda wrecked the show

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

I have not red the books and stopped watching there because it seemed just so creepy and odd and unrealistic how it was found out she was pregnant. If it wasn’t in the book maybe the rest of the show doesn’t have as much odd moments.

[@zenkittystudiowithdarklily1110]

also, she, Marina, was a cousin to the bridgertons, and in the book was not living with the Featheringtons. they really took liberties with the plot with Marina’s storyline. in To Sir Phillip with Love, Eloise writes to him after he becomes a widower. Marina died. He is left with twins to raise alone-his children, not his brothers. Eloise writes as Marina’s cousin, condolances, and as he writes back, they sort of have a romance thru letters. Marina’s existence in the tv series was completely messed up as opposed to the books. she was a bit character in the book, not really present, more like mentioned by other characters so why did they feel the need to make the whole pregnancy scandal storyline in the show. total modern drama intruding.

[@landibear6509]

I don't dislike Bridgerton but I don't think it would go down as a favorite in the long run and I think that is because I was spoiled by masterpieces such as 1995 Pride and Prejudice and Emma Thompson's adaptation of Sense and Sensibility (incidentally, I did not have the mini series because I think they gave Edward and Elinor more screen time, which was good). I much rather preferred Downton Abbey. Have you done a video on that yet? I believe that Mr Darcy's name is Fitzwilliam. Is that not also the name of his cousin? Loved the fact that Colin Firth got to revisit the role in Bridget Jones, where incidentally, their child is also named Fitzwilliam. Please solve the mystery as to what was so intriguing to your cat behind that door! Your cat needs to be a part of your videos! Absolutely adorable!

[@AJaneiteSews]

Yes, Colonel Fitzwilliam and Fitzwilliam Darcy! I like Bridgerton because it gives me an excuse to make videos on Regency history using Austen’s novels and their film adaptations! I don’t think I could watch Bridgerton for fun like I do the 1995 P&P. I’m more well-versed on the history and literature of the 18th and 19th centuries, but I do love Downton Abbey... Oh, my cat Susan was just annoyed that there was a door in her way 😅

[@chipiturk90strend]

Mark indeed whole name is Mark Fitzwilliam Darcy ❤️

[@yuldouz]

Love your cat! He's adding so much profoundness to your analysis.

[@stephaniewhite3787]

Thank you for this informative video. Yes please for more critiques on costuming and culture. All very interesting!

[@cicibrown5979]

Giving a like for the thoughtful dive into bridgerton & Jane Austin's novels. Giving a subscription for kitty shenanigans!

[@AJaneiteSews]

Thank you!

[@christyb2912]

Very interesting analysis thank you!

[@AJaneiteSews]

Thanks for watching!

[@daarianaharis]

Daphne's "superhero thing" is, for me, the jump the shark moment of the series - not just because of the white savior trope with both Philip and Daphne, but because it reeks of Mary Sue. Fantasy may be unrealistic, but it still needs to follow certain rules to allow for suspension of disbelief, and this is just to anachronistic and unrealistic to me. I understand the good intentions of the producers and I despise the fact that women were treated the way they were, but I think it would have had a stronger emotional impact if Marina had faced the fate she would have faced back then instead of being - unrealistically - saved by the anachronistically feminist Daphne and the too-honorable-to-be-true Philip.

[@stellasdoesstuff]

I remember Darcy's name is Fitzwilliam because when my friend and I read P&P our senior year of high school, we giggled about how strange that first name sounds to our modern ears. I also googled to find real people named Fitzwilliam and found a wiki page for a man named William Fitzwilliam, 4th Earl Fitzwilliam, who came from a long line of men named William Fitzwilliam. I also wonder if the reason some of the girls and ladies slumped despite supposedly wearing stays with busks was because the majority of the stays in this series were short stays. I only have long stays, so I cannot be sure, but I'd guess that short stays don't enforce good posture quite as well as long stays

[@adbreon]

“Fitz” means son of. That’s why the monarchy used to use FitzRoy for bastards of the King. For example King Henry VIII’s son Henry FitzRoy.

[@dianariglet4257]

Fascinating video Carrie, thank you! Yes, Daphne's patronage of Marina didn't sit well with me. Why couldn't Marina have a happy ending on her own terms since we're dealing with a fantasy world here? I do like the mixing of races in Bridgerton, but a lot of underlying racism remains. It will be interesting to see what the producers cook up for season 2. P.S. I adore your kitty video bombs!!

[@AJaneiteSews]

Thank you!! Yes, I’m interested to see what comes next in Bridgerton. As are my cats 😅

[@dianariglet4257]

@@AJaneiteSews Maybe cats will be featured in upcoming seasons. I'm a Crazy Cat Lady from way back so keep those kitty video bombs coming!

[@micheledix2616]

The TV series changed the role of Marina completely. She is not a character in the written book of The Duke and I at all. And we only hear of her but she is never seen except as a beautiful portrait and in memory flashbacks for her widower husband, in the 5th in the series ' To Sir Phillip With Love'

[@iamvictoriarae]

don't mind me, just binge watching your videos

[@shellibelli4387]

More cat! I cracked up near the end when you shoved your goofy cat!

[@kellydarling1]

Marina did marry Sir Phillip, but that is inline with what happens in the books. However, the pregnancy was not in the books I don’t think

[@fernandaa7334]

Omg so THAT Marina is THE Marina from the books? The cousin that married Eloise's Sir Phillip and was so unhappy that killed herself? Why make this girl black, so? 😔 Her story will only become worst, further.

[@mayloo2137]

The pregnancy was not in the books.

[@mayloo2137]

@@fernandaa7334 it's understandable when the producers cared more about making the cast racially diverse than the accuracy of the characters in the books. It's more like a modern soap opera, or a parody of the books.

[@helene4397]

​@@fernandaa7334I think that Marina in the book was suffering from post-partum depression.

[@WillowTDog]

Love this channel! Just subbed! :)

[@SnappyDragon]

I loved all of this video, but especially the kitty :D

[@AJaneiteSews]

Susan stole the show lol!

[@suzetteospi]

@@AJaneiteSews Her name is Susan? That's a great name for a cat!

[@ellie698]

Read John Mullan's book " What Matters In Jane Austen?". He has a complete chapter on the etiquette of names, and the rules that dictate who can who who what with regards to age, rank, status, familiarity etc etc etc. There are appropriate and highly inappropriate levels of familiarity that are very strict. Each dance, "set", would last around half an hour and is referred to in Austen. For instance, Lord Lucas talks of this when trying to encourage Mr Darcy to dance with Miss Elizabeth Bennet. This bridgerton things I looks bloody awful. Fascinating

[@AJaneiteSews]

I’ve read it and met him at a conference a few years ago. Fascinating book and he’s always willing to share more knowledge!

[@ellie698]

@@AJaneiteSews Cool! 😎

[@willx9352]

You make some interesting comments about the character Marina played by a black woman. Of course the real issue is that Bridgerton’s “colour blindness” does no service at all to the cause of black people as it involves the denial of the fact that this society was built on the reality of black slavery and its presentation of black people gives the impression that somehow being black did not matter in Regency society. Yes there are one or two examples of apparent acceptance of black people into British high society of the period - but we have no indication how real this acceptance was or the views of the people themselves. This is the grossest “whitewashing” of history far more egregious than the criticism that is sometimes directed at Jane Austen who avoids the issue of slavery.

[@wheretheywent]

As a Woman of Color myself, I disagree. I wish we could just have a series where the Black characters (and all characters of color) could just wear these pretty dresses and be our own versions of Emma or even Daphne. We are never afforded that storyline, and I was so hoping Bridgerton would fill that gap. Unfortunately they failed us as well. I am hardly the only WOC I know who feels this way either. I just don’t know why they had to have the weird half-acknowledgement of race in the series, I rather we just avoided the topic altogether. Like the Brandy Cinderella did!

[@SunnyMorningPancakes]

@@wheretheywent The Brandy Cinderella is the best version of Cinderella. And the casting in that is completely colourblind (from what I remember the Prince has one black parent and one white parent but he is Asian). It's also oddly difficult to find.

[@mayloo2137]

As an Chinese person and technically a woman of color, I feel the same way you do. I need to feel what the period was truly like, and not the modern tendency to make it an issue of social justice. I've read romance novels for decades - historical and modern. I also care about historical accuracy. I don't need the modern/leftist view of history.

[@krooks6367]

Love your cat! She is precisly like mine in attitude. And love your programs too

[@Aster_Risk]

Commenting for the re-upload.

[@realisticidealst]

I’ve definitely already watched this. I was really looking forward to a video with new content

[@ladyethyme]

Honestly can you blame Colin for being pissed and feeling manipulated? I don’t think so. I’m on his side...

[@sisuguillam5109]

New video! 🤩🫖 putting the mental kettle on and getting ready for the deep dive!

[@tymanung6382]

England adopted Austrian waltz, but in stages over several decades. 1) English Country Dances + waltz music 2) Austrian Landler. dances (see Sound of Music for example, or "landler" videos. 3) Real more or less modern Austrian modern waltz, by 1840s. 3) " real waltz.

[@OstblockLatina]

8:19 - except we don't because they are either taken from very different eras or pictured incorrectly as to the actual way of dancing them. More on that in a YT video "5 Things That Jane Austen Films Always Get Wrong About the Dancing".

[@lynnejones257]

Ve ry informative and interesting. Thanks for sharing.❤️Lynne

[@dindranew.6808]

I always love your analyses! I'd be curious what you thought of the book version; I confess a secret love for Regency romances and their fantasy of the Regency that is still palatable to my feminist, modern tastes.

[@AJaneiteSews]

I haven’t read the books yet! They are in my very large to-read pile!

[@stephr2980]

Isn't Darcy's first name Fitzwilliam? Though I can't remember when in the book we might read of it :-/

[@AJaneiteSews]

Yes!

[@Egletaite]

If I remember correctly, in the book we learn his name after he signs his letter.

[@piros100]

I think his first name only appears in the book once in the signature of his letter to Lizzie. In the 1995 BBC series Lady Catherine also calls him by his first name in a short scene when he's running back to his room after his failed proposal.

[@AranelEnMirkwood]

Wonderful video, I love the idea of using Bridgerton to explain and teach real social history. It would be fascinating to see more stuff in this vein. Also thank you for being one of the few to actually acknowledge that Bridgerton (/The Duke and I) is a modern(-ish, it was written 20 years ago) book! I feel like that is an angle that is often ignored when folks are criticising the historical accuracy of the show.

[@neldahargo29]

lots of stuff in the Netflx version that does not appear in the book version.

[@rlg2926]

Love the review. Love your cat. I have subscribed now I will be binge watching all your previous videos to catch up. Fitzwilliam is Mr. Darcy's first name by the way. I have not seen the Bridgeton series although I think I read one of her books a while, back. Usually if I can't remember the book or plot, I did not like it much. I am not much into the Bridgeton or the Outlander series they just don't appeal to me even in book form. I actually prefer authors in the vein of Georgette Heyer, and Victoria Holt.

[@kissed_by_sunshine_10]

Have not watched Brigerton and will not. However, I do enjoy this channel

[@l.jagilamplighterwright9211]

I love that you call it a Historical FANTASY. lol

[@lacybookworm5039]

Fitzwilliam (please pardon me if I spelled that wrong) aka Mr. Darcy

[@julecaesara482]

"the leading characters increasing intimacy showing up even in" HER FACIAL EXPRESSION AND THE SUSPENSE IN THE PAUSE IS KILLING ME "Daphne's dreaaams"

[@EvBarney]

Daphnie introduces herself to Simon because she is being pursued by a man she wants to avoid, and wants to be engaged in a conversation with another man to avoid the first.

[@molybdomancer195]

Simon’s father had recently died. Isn’t it the case that he would not have been attending balls or entering into an engagement as he would have been in a period of mourning?

[@IrisBb7]

I love your cat :3

[@bookmouse2719]

Pop quiz: Fitzwilliam . I have heard that the costumes had the wrong materials, also changing the Regency era manners is just trashing everything. I didn't watch it. Why am I hear? In order to confirm my worst fears about the problems of the show. I would like to see a video where your pets once again analyze a show.

[@piros100]

Mr. Darcy's first name is Fitzwilliam.

[@RUT812]

A waltz is in 3/4 time.

[@Voronochka262]

Fitzwilliam

[@tracyroweauthor]

the cat though.... ok, so, there are a few issues I'd like to address. Let's start with Marina. Clearly Julia Quinn's characters were not as diverse as they are portrayed in the adaptation, so I'm not sure it's fair to characterize Marina's WICHBWEA as punishment for her being a woman of color in that situation. Clearly any woman in that situation in the Regency era would have been in similar straits, and a woman of color probably worse so. I don't think Daphne's involvement in helping Marina, therefore, could be construed as either tokenism or being a white savior. The one thing to remember about Daphne and the way she defended the Featheringtons and Marina is that she was pretty frustrated with her situation at this point. She was angry at her mother for not telling her more about how children are conceived and at the Duke for assuming she understood how sex worked, which, honestly, he really shouldn't have assumed. She feels lied to and betrayed, realizes she is never going to be able to fulfill her dreams of having children and that in her situation there is absolutely nothing she can do about it. It opens her eyes to just how unfair the system is, especially in tarring the Featheringtons with the same brush as Marina's scandal, and in leaving Marina victim to a society that blames HER for being in a predicament that a man put her in. As to Daphne sexually abusing a black man, well, again, in the books the Duke is not a black man, that is totally a fabrication of the adaptation. Yes, it is pretty cringe the way Daphne behaves in that moment, but in her defense (weak as it is) she does feel he betrayed her and her response is to exact a little bit of revenge. And, let's be honest. The reason so many books and treatises were written as guidance for behavior in pretty much any period is because people often DIDN'T adhere to the strictures they were supposed to because they're human.

[@mayloo2137]

Marina didn't exist in the books except as a backstory to explain why Sir Phillip was widowed. I guess the producers cared more about the need to be racially diverse than the true character of Marina ie her mental illness that caused her suicide. The Bridgerton series is just one long social justice project, which is one of the reasons I didn't watch it. I'll stick to the books.

[@tracyroweauthor]

@@mayloo2137 and zero people care that you don't watch it.

[@mayloo2137]

@@tracyroweauthor to each their own. The feeling is probably mutual. Edit I prefer to live in the real world, not online or one created by social media.

[@tracyroweauthor]

@@mayloo2137 then why comment at all?

[@mayloo2137]

@@tracyroweauthor I voiced my opinion. That's it. Am I not allowed that right on a public board?

[@amazingdeath92]

Fitzwilliam Darcy.

[@micheledix2616]

Yes it is Mr Fitzwilliam Darcy. Obviously given his Mother's Maiden as his Christian name

[@srkh8966]

Bridgerton is just romance novel Regency

[@mayloo2137]

More like a parody disguised as social justice.

[@tymanung6382]

Brudgerton has somevAfro British characters, but do they or Euro English characters become active in abolitionism? Jane ?A usten s favorite poet was ??? Cowper, who write several popular anti slavery poems (see websites about him that include these.) 1 of her Navy officer brothers was in British Navy s African slaved rescue squadron. Does Bridgerton. have similar themes ?

[@tymanung6382]

William Cowper wrote many poems, including 6 pro abolitionist poems (see Wikipedia biography article.for the full texts of the 6.) For more on JA + diverse family.members, see " Slavery, Antislavery, + Austen, Family."

[@ingetraudruesen9466]

G Thanks for setting things right. I think Bridgerton is a big misconception with beautiful costumes

[@limerence8365]

I find that us making fun of a show for not showing historical accurate representation of manners in a tv show eerily similar to social snobs of the time making fun of their contemories for also not showing proper manners. Though it makes sense, the biggest fans are going to be Janietes and the historians who are also going to be very interested in historical accuracy. Personally I don't care if the manners are accurate enough or not but its been long enough now that you'd get some accuracy with corsets.

[@dianegaus3561]

we weren't supposed to NOTICE that people were different "colors"...

[@wheretheywent]

Hi Diane, as a woman of color myself, I definitely recommend watching this short video to help explain why “not seeing color” is actually a problematic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3y3c4WtadKfaMU

[@betty1921]

The movie been good if they left out the nude stuff and sex crap just like using bathroom. We know people do I to but we do int got to see it

[@l.jagilamplighterwright9211]

It is a bit ridiculous to call relationships between characters "White Savior" and "Colonial" when the races of the characters were arbitrarily assigned and are not part of the original. Basically, no matter the relationship, bad intentions can be assigned? That seems harsh.

[@rebeccamaser4111]

I like your analysis, however at the end your thoughts on Marina show you haven’t read the books. She had to end up with the brother and it had to be a less than ideal situation, which will be understood in a later season. Since race isn’t addressed in the novels, that probably wasn’t taken into consideration although I can see the concern.

[@kristincharlish9941]

Bridgerton is not Regency but Victorian in nature

[@marielmarconi4991]

Loved the start of this video, but, my God, we were drinking the feminist koolaid before the end.

[@mayloo2137]

Exactly why an older feminist like myself is hated by modern feminists. Wrongthink. I care more about the rights of actual females than the rest of the Alphabet People.

[@peglamphier4745]

I too enjoyed Bangerton, but of all the blasphemous Regency stuff, it was the hair and makeup that bugged me the most. And almost everything about Mrs. Featherington, bad hair, bad make up, terrible dress shapes. I think it would have been possible to appeal to 21st century audiences and not been so sloppy with some of this stuff. And my professor friends were all so agog with the racial equality of the series (which was SUPER delightful) they were quite appalled at my impatience with the hair and make up. Sigh.

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

I don’t know how Austen isn’t “Herero-normative”. I feel you got a bit carried away with modern terms there.

[@mayloo2137]

Most of society throughout history was and still is hetero-normative. There are many groups with hurt feelings who hate that, and try to be anything but that.

[@tamarleahh.2150]

So book Marina ends up much worse and was white. Not sure this comparison works completely.

[@user-xh4os4sx1v]

I have a visceral dislike of Bridgerton, null point. Rather like Newton wasting his intellect on alchemy.

[@marija2387]

Bridgerton the books are a good read. Bridgestone the series is a woke piece of popularism, rubbish with pretty pictures.

[@mayloo2137]

I love Julia Quinn's Bridgerton books. In my mind, they are second only to the Cynsters written about by Stephanie Laurens. I don't watch the series because I don't need the wokeness of the tv adaptation. Even as a racial minority, I don't feel the need to see myself onscreen.

[@floodgates182]

Christ, Bridgerton looks even worse just from the few scenes shown here than I expected, given it comes to us from Pedoflix. And that's even though I was already aware of the genocidal propaganda and the horrid fashion choices...

[@ddman10001]

There is a reason men don't watch Jane Austin movies but will watch Bridgerton Jane Austin Movies and story lines are BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@bodnica]

Then are stupid and cant read between the lines😁

[@Tmlm98]

So another words you prefer cockamamie fictional porn to prudish reality. Bridgerton is so historically inacurrate its insane. Most of the goings on in that show would not have ever happened. Don’t get me started on the clothing!