The Complicated Rules Of Regency Era Dating

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@Theturtleowl 10 ай бұрын

Me: This seems like a lot of effort, so I'll just get myself a glass of wine and a book to stay home and sleep in.

@JNKJ_CiK 3 ай бұрын

You sound like Mr. Bennet

@Theturtleowl 3 ай бұрын

@@JNKJ_CiK Aww, thanks for the compliment.

@AbigailGerlach-zt1sh 2 ай бұрын

I'm with you. Too much trouble!

@jaymartin8273 10 ай бұрын

Very nice :=) This explains much of Jane Austin's work, since her heroines often find the perfect balance between financial security and love, makes you wonder how many women never found that :=(. All that said very nice video, keep it up :=)

@Historidame 10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@jaymartin8273 10 ай бұрын

@@Historidame You're very welcome :=)

@lindawright7092 11 ай бұрын

This was quite illuminating! Glad you mentioned dating was much more complicated than what was depicted in the Bridgerton Series. Your side comments were funny and one in particular made me laugh out loud. thanks for sharing your talent and interest of history with all of us.

@quixoticsky 11 ай бұрын

Love this!! esp how straightforward you were! I plan on leading a regency-era-inspired D&D game where the players try to get married, will definitely send this to them to help understand the wild rules that they instilled lol

@Historidame 11 ай бұрын

Omg that sounds so fun!

@Seraphina-Rose 7 ай бұрын

That's brilliant!

@margaretpike2929 10 ай бұрын

I love the beautiful paintings as well as being very interesting

@Historidame 10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@AnnNunnally 8 ай бұрын

Jane Austen’s books provide quite a few examples of a man and a woman being alone together. For example, Darcy and Elizabeth walking together at Rosings.

@k.h.6991 7 ай бұрын

Crucially: they would have been visible at all times.

@kenna163 2 ай бұрын

They're not doing that. She's walking and he happens upon her. Then he does it again. The last time they're alone there is when he gives her a letter. He can't send it to her because they're not engaged

@AnnNunnally 2 ай бұрын

@@kenna163 However, they are alone together while they are walking.

@yoho2404 11 ай бұрын

Great video! You’re on a roll

@Historidame 11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@megcarlton9794 10 ай бұрын

Hello! This is a really well put together video, and you have a great presentation and awesome sense of humor. I’d like to follow you, however you don’t cite any of your sources, which means I can’t know for sure how thoroughly you researched this. Do you have a works cited somewhere?

@Historidame 10 ай бұрын

Hi! I was having some issues posting my research links on KZbin that ended up getting me a warning for a strike so I stopped for a while until I found a better solution. I now actually have a pastebin where I will be citing for all my videos in the future. You can find the sources for this video here: pastebin.com/Ng4jcMJ6

@megcarlton9794 10 ай бұрын

@@Historidame Oh crap I'm sorry that you got hit with a warning! That's a major deal, and extremely dumb you can get hit with that when you're literally *citing* the sources. Thank you so much for the pastebin and reply, you have my enthusastic subscription!

@canopusstar5157 4 ай бұрын

I enjoy this historical period for so many reasons. Thank you for your informative history!

@zeeldaz 7 ай бұрын

this channel is so underrated!! I love your videos!!!

@Historidame 7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@deborahberger5816 11 ай бұрын

Just look at Jane Austin's heroines! They don't spend more time listening than speaking, they aren't afraid of sharing their opinions, and they certainly don't agree with everything a man says. Being fictional, though, these ladies don't represent all of posh English society. I've always imagined that novels like "Pride and Prejudice" offered Miss Austin's readers a chance to fantasize a bit. Also . . . . It's unfortunate, but only the toffs kept diaries and engaged in prodigious correspondence, so we don't know as much about the lives of so-called "ordinary" people. I wish I did know more, but I suspect they followed less complicated versions of the same rules.

@Historidame 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I've found it difficult to get detailed information on more middle class people of this time period. That's an interesting point about Jane Austen's heroines letting readers fantasize.

@k.h.6991 7 ай бұрын

Not all of Jane Austen's heroines were as opinionated as Elizabeth Bennet. Anne Elliott and Fanny Price are both quite demure.

@EricDurrant-k5z 4 ай бұрын

Elizabeth Bennet wasn't quite upper-class, so that might account for her less than proper behavior.

@vintagelady1 8 ай бұрын

I think that these very strict rules applied mainly to titled folks; the landed gentry & those in professions or trade were a bit less strict & rigid. Lizzie Bennet is alone w/Mr. Darcy several times w/out any damage to her reputation among her peers, although I'm sure Lady Catherine would have fainted had her daughter Anne done the same. Even Lydia Bennet's scandalous behavior in running off w/bad boy Wickham is forgivable among their peers, to some extent, by her subsequent marriage to her seducer. Again for the titled folks, definitely not. Reading literature of the period is a good window into the manners 7 rules of the different strata of society "back in the days." Reading etiquette books is a bit of a slippery slope, as they seem often to exaggerate & recommend the very most restrictive & minute detail, probably catering to the newly wealthy who were over-eager to emulate the manners of the social classes to which they aspired. As difficult as some of these restrictions seem to us, sometimes one could wish that there were a few more rules & guidelines today besides "always do a background check!"

@LusiaEyre 2 ай бұрын

Like with any rules in history, there are the 'official' and the 'practical' levels. I know that Jane Austen wrote novels, so they can be slightly off for entertainment value, but I can think of some 'exceptions' literally from the top of my head. Marianne Dashwood and Elizabeth Bennett enjoy countryside walks, and they can do them unaccompanied (country liberty). Mr Darcy calls Lizzie 'Elizabeth' as soon as she accepts his 2nd proposal, but before asking her father for permission, it's not really official... Jane and Bingley run and hide away when Lady Catherine comes over. They are engaged, but according to the rules, they shouldn't hide alone in a shrubbery? When Charlotte tries to catch Mr Collins, she spots him from the window and walks out to meet him, so they end up alone for at least a few minutes? And when Jane, Bingley, Lizzie, Darcy and Kitty go out walking, Kitty leaves for Lucas Lodge, Jane and Bingley go so far ahead that the other 2 lose sight of them and this leaves Lizzie and Darcy quite alone (but facilitating their engagement). During the second walk, the couples separate almost immediately. So, what I am trying to say that like all social rules, there were most likely levels, depending on the company, location and context.

@Taylor15SwiftFan 11 ай бұрын

Awesome video!

@Historidame 11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@rebekahmokool4759 11 ай бұрын

Lovely video! I love your voice!

@Historidame 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

@daniels7907 Ай бұрын

Interesting. There are a number of times in Pride & Prejudice in which Elizabeth is unchaperoned with Mr. Darcy, usually while walking. Austen and her readers apparently didn't find this idea scandalous.

@Lady_dromeda 9 ай бұрын

Its funny how nowadays marrying your cousin is seen as super lower class 😅 im pretty sire the current royal family is all marrying outside of their relations.

@jonesnori 8 ай бұрын

They didn't used to, though! Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Phillip were related on both sides - I believe 3rd cousins one way and 2nd the other, with a once removed on one or both. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousins. Some royal families even engaged in uncle/niece marriages, which really is incestuous. (First cousin relationships are on the edge. Genetically, they are only very slightly more risky than unrelated partners, as long as they are not repeated. A family with a lot of cousin marriages has a much higher risk. They also do not generally have a power discrepancy, though there can be exceptions there.)

@Lady_dromeda 8 ай бұрын

@@jonesnori yeah, Victorias children were the last to have the higher risk of birth defects if im not mistaken?

@jonesnori 8 ай бұрын

@Lady_dromeda Well, royals in Europe continued to mostly marry other royals through roughly the first half of the Twentieth Century, but not mostly as close as first cousins. Certainly the hemophilia that was prevalent in European royal families for about a century stems from Victoria, but I don't think the cousin marriage had anything to do with that. The gene is thought to have arisen spontaneously in one of Victoria's X chromosomes, and to have descended from her to some of her children. The fact royals usually married other royals certainly caused it to spread, though. The British main line didn't get it, but it showed up in royal families in Spain, at least one German country that I recall, and Russia. I think it's long since died out of those lines.

@kaiZkar 11 ай бұрын

Wonderful video

@Historidame 11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@fairytaleworld777-v8 8 ай бұрын

love your videos so coool xxx

@JNKJ_CiK 3 ай бұрын

Were these rules not 100% steadfast? I think of several examples in Jane Austens work that break some, notably women taking walks with men alone (Jane with Bingely, Caroline with Darcy, Darcy and Elizabeth multiple times, Elizabeth and Colonel Fitzwilliam, etc), Darcy referring to Elizabeth by her first name, even with Jane wasn’t present (I’m thinking of “Dearest, Loveliest Elizabeth”). Not sure if I remember more off the top of my head…

@Historidame 3 ай бұрын

I'm not an expert on Jane Austen, but a lot of these rules applied mostly to upper class women. I think Elizabeth might have had a bit more leeway since her family was not as wealthy? But keep in mind, just because these were the established rules does not mean that people didn't break them.

@gayzell850 3 ай бұрын

Darcy called Elizabeth that only after his second proposal when she admitted she loved him and agreed to marry him, so technically they were engaged.

@Vivathediva 11 ай бұрын

Loved it

@Historidame 11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@ABeautfulMess 7 ай бұрын

Was the same for Tradesman or poor??

@Historidame 7 ай бұрын

From what I've seen in my research, I think there were different expectations and rules for lower class people.

@EricDurrant-k5z 4 ай бұрын

Given that the upper class frequently criticized the newly rich for their lack of manners, I would venture to say that it was not the same for the lower classes.