Jansenism: Catholicism in Crisis on the Eve of the French Revolution

[@davidbaptist96]

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[@dcbluenose1873]

I'm a devout Protestant, but I always find AMs takes on religious (Catholic) history fascinating.

[@bcvanrijswijk]

Finally Jansenism clearly explained. The full name of Cornelius Jansen was Cornelius Jansen van Ackoy. Jansen is a patronymic. I am a direct descendant of his brother Willem Jansen van Ackoy. My ancestor Adriaan van Rijswijck married the daughter of Willem, namely Marieke van Ackoy. Ackoy is a village in the Betuwe region of the Netherlands. It is "famous" for its tower that is as crooked as Pisa's. Just for fun.

[@DeannaClark-oo9ut]

My background as a Methodist child and a Quaker in college and a convert to Catholicism and 3rd order Franciscan in 1973 has covered the waterfront. I love Alphonsus Liguouri and read his moral theology some. Basically my faith is 10% good deeds, 10% prayer and 80% being a good sport while Jesus saves me through life experiences. I'm a Sacred Heart soul all the way. The Sacred Heart prayer groups and the Montfort Mary groups were horrible targets of the terror. I learned that from, of all people, dear Bill Cooper and his Babylon series. My husband's doctor was a lay Jesuit with a brother in Georgetown as a priest (The mothership in the US). The doc was very kind to his very poor, mostly black, patients. He told them all what was going on in January 2020 and used his office as an emergency breathing help so they wouldn't go to hospital. God bless all here! Merry Christmas!

[@unoriginal_username1]

I’d love to see more streams from you both together. Such a great/interesting team

[@DSTH323]

St. Alphonsus de Liguori is an interesting Doctor on these points. He situates the truths regarding grace and freewill against the Calvinists but also openly disagrees with both the strict Augustinian and Thomistic dismissals of the biblical texts regarding the universal salvific will of God without thereby falling into pelagian universalist errors wherein all will invariably be saved

[@digitaljman5744]

@Souledex | not all sins are finite, God is merciful, but all just, or then He would not be God.

[@heofnorenown]

@@Souledex you reason like a baseborn churl. (Just a friendly reminder to do better next time)

[@heofnorenown]

@ it would elevate your rhetoric significantly

[@heofnorenown]

@ if a soul is immortal then it is infinite

[@Souledex]

@@heofnorenown what is? The condition in which god can punish you? Cause otherwise it’s nothing you have any relationship to or control over unless you are Buddhist. We have already proven people have far less free will than we generally like to think scientifically - where do you imagine a soul or a just god fits into that equation and reality? And regardless the sins and your awareness of them and their effects are still finite, and the punishments are still infinite. You can’t kill a soul, you can’t even see one but god can damn you for killing a body? How’s that just? Frankly even the notion that something all powerful even has the appropriate perspective to judge us from anything but an all merciful mien is ludicrous.

[@bengale9977]

I can't say I really understand what the Jansenists were, but this was fascinating. I'll have to watch again because there is too much to take in all at once.

[@harryw2903]

Really high quality discussion - thanks chaps!

[@eternal_disciple3899]

Thank you AM for a great lecture on a fascinating topic!

[@arthurw8054]

Superb presentation, thanks.

[@patchy1492]

Another AM banger.

[@jorgepuente7541]

Hopefully you can make more videos on Church history maybe one on both Vatican councils or Pope Francis

[@conovan5081]

He did a video on Pope Francis but as I was looking for it, I saw it is currently members only, perhaps consider becoming a member 😉

[@art_deanoism]

Great stream. Dis you every record that lecture of the theology of Charles I?

[@mango2005]

Francois Damiens, who stabbed Louis XV (who survived due to thick clothing) was a Jansenist.

[@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi]

He paid a horrific price for his attempted assassination. He was pulled to pieces by horses galloping in opposite directions. It wasn’t just an execution it was prolonged horror.

[@duartepereira9400]

Christ is King

[@garybowler5946]

@@duartepereira9400 Crist may be King but he's doing a shit job of it.

[@garybowler5946]

OK, but he is doing a poo shoe job of it.

[@AmericanImperium1776]

Comment for the algorithm. 👍

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Wonderful work. Could someone please inform me of the music playing at the bigging / intro. Thanks

[@user-bchfldmgd]

Schubert string quintet in C major

[@alisharispoli2996]

I really want to hear a good podcast on the molinist vs thomistic view on predestination. Both are acceptable positions to hold and molinism seems to make the most sense to me.

[@Pie_Pellicane]

AM, are you aware of the Church's teaching on predestination? It is incorrect, without qualification, to say we don't believe in predestination. See the Catechism index entry, or do a word search of "predestine" in the Bible.

[@harryw2903]

Yes, that would be incorrect. We don’t believe in “double-predestination”.

[@franesustic988]

Catholics believe in double predestination, if he claims we don't he's wrong. The difference between us and calvinists is that we disagree about free will and sufficient grace.

[@Vatslau]

Another video yippee

[@edmundcoyle364]

Isnt there a link with Irish Catholicism?

[@severianmonk7394]

And piedmont where jansenisn is alive and well into the early 19th century.

[@astrogumbo]

Dude is on point wow

[@joegerhardusa9017]

Love all your content

[@nickgresham6480]

Very interesting discussion, but it is not at all clear who are the interlocutors!

[@hugor1338]

While AH's interlocutor is easily recognisable to those familiar with the channel and with other ones sympathetic with it, it is really more for him to say more if he wishes than it is for me.

[@hugor1338]

Just noticed the information is actually in the show notes - well worth taking an interest.

[@gskineke]

@@hugor1338 still not seeing the names-in show notes or information regarding channel.

[@hugor1338]

@@gskineke www.youtube.com/@i_am_lambda

[@i_am_lambda]

Hello! I have this channel and also Lambda Bible Studies - glad you enjoyed our discussion 😊 always a delight to talk with AM

[@heofnorenown]

It’s a good stream that gets AM laughing

[@maximusmactatus3964]

Typical Jesuit propaganda, nevertheless thank you AM

[@user-bchfldmgd]

Algorithm.

[@RogueTheology]

Has this guy heard of the council of orange. Hard to listen to this guy he sounds like a pelagian.

[@garybowler5946]

The council of orange, is that Donald Trump?

[@sebastianbendyna2363]

I’d say I am am a Jansenist…devout catholic, believer in the mass, don’t like papal authority, believe that only the elect get to heaven and that god actively condemns the non-elect to hell….so there u go Janesntism is alive

[@ToffeeFelix]

It depends, of course, what you mean by “God actively condemns the non-elect to hell”. Also, what do you mean by “don’t like papal authority”? If you mean you don’t like certain uses of papal authority then fine but it’d be wise to practice caution in talking about this in public. If you mean you don’t like the fact that the pope has the powers that he does, or that you don’t believe he has the powers he claims, then your issue is with God, not a good place to find yourself. Also, it’s not a good idea to say “I adhere to [a condemned heretical position]”, even if what you mean is “I accept certain true catholic doctrines which [a condemned heretical position] also accepts.

[@sebastianbendyna2363]

@ I’m afraid I don’t believe the pope has the power or authority he claims. This pope is proof that papal infallibility is a bad joke. No one man can have the power he claims when he is unrepentant heretic. So yeah I openly reject the authority the pope claims. I would accept he has a primacy of honour only.

[@nathanielus5296]

​@@sebastianbendyna2363 Then you're not a Catholic A Eastern Orthodox at best

[@willx9352]

​@sebastianbendyna2363 The fundamental issue is that of irresistible grace and people cannot lose their salvation (once saved, always saved). Both of these are condemned by the Catholic Church and rejected by most protestants.

[@lynnhubbard844]

@@ToffeeFelix and it is not your place to lecture