Japan says coast guard plane wasn't cleared to be on runway before collision, pilot disagrees

[@J.C...]

That's incredible that the entire passenger plane was able to evacuate safely. Wow!

[@joy2farm2]

Essentially, the exact comment I was going to make. Looked like plane was fully engulfed in flames before it ever came to a stop.

[@peacewind-aero]

Because aviation learns from lessons of the past. Look up Air Canada Flight 797 & British Airtours Flight 328. Fire safety regulations and certifications today largely came out of those accidents. As a result, we got the successes of Air France Flight 358, China Airlines Flight 120 and this accident at Haneda where everyone got off the burning planes alive. It wasn't just luck, nor was it the discipline of the Japanese people or the 7 star safety rating of JAL. It was due to hard lessons learned from disasters past that saved their lives.

[@American-In-Mykolaiv]

That "wow" is due to Japanese discipline. Look at some older emergency exits from aircraft in Russia, big men grabbing their suitcases and pushing women and children out of their way. It is a cultural thing!

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Even more impressive because the passengers only could use the exits at the front of the plane. It was designed to use 8 exits in evacuating everyone in 90 seconds. It's amazing everyone got off safely using only 2 exits. The folks in back had to walk all the way to the front, while the cabin filled with smoke and fumes, and the fire spread.

[@shorea27]

There were no karens and bullies on board.

[@Armorlord04]

Respect for the flight crew of the Airbus handling the crisis and passengers so well. Easily could have lost precious time had confusion broken out during evacuation.

[@sphixion]

@lilacvioletpurple Yup. Any material thing can be repurchased and claimed on an insurance form. In an emergency, your life and the lives of others are the most important thing to preserve. Try to remain calm and get yourself to safety.

[@karstendoerr5378]

It was not only the crew who saved the lives of the Airbus crew. Even their behaviour itself. Don't panic before and during the evacuation. Social behaviour is different from that in Europe or elsewhere in the world.

[@zoey7137]

So heartbreaking. Praying for all the trapped ppl to be found… God be with them as they wait to be rescued.

[@TheInsultInvestor]

where was your god when the buildings fell on them ??? your logic is despicable

[@njokikaranja3458]

@@TheInsultInvestor My understanding from @Zoey7137 comment is her God can allow things to happen, if someone's time is over then God can take them however he pleases. If their time is not over and the building fell on them, he can still keep them alive, why? because he can. All she was saying is praying for them to be alive, it's natural for humans to want each other alive as opposed to dead, however at the end the day, it's God's decision. I am open to any other logic you may have but I will respect if you don't believe in God.

[@sdaniels7114]

The tower records everything as well btw, not just the planes. The air crews are supposed to read back all critical instructions. So if the government's claim of pilot error is correct there should be an instruction from the tower to hold short and an acknowledgement of that restriction (by a read back) from the crew on every recording device.

[@SushiLand.]

I’m Japanese from Japan I’ve never experienced like this new year in my life and also Japan’s history. This is crazy 2024

[@tobybigham4196]

Japan's history is filled with tragedy! You must be too young to remember. But this was rather mild compared to some years! I pray they recover well, and the families of those Coast Guard members find peace!

[@jasoncaine2600]

What are you 12 ?

[@Raelyn976]

🙏 Prayers for all affected by these tragedies 😢

[@oahuhawaii2141]

@jasoncaine2600: Are you alluding to the Sendai earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear meltdown of 2011?

[@chizusakuraa]

first the earthquake, then tsunami, and now, airplane collision. We’re just in the third day of new year and so much had already happened. I pray that Japan be blessed with peace and abundance in the following days and throughtout the year.

[@alidabotes6264]

Oh I hope & pray that they catch a break but they are forecasting another earthquake of similar magnitude in the next few weeks. I really hope they've got it wrong.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Don't forget the people buried alive and trapped under the debris in cold weather, with some collapsed structures on fire. Horrific way to die.

[@NLAUDA829]

If you've ever been to Japan, you'll have experienced the Shinkansen and the subway, and you'll be able to experience how packed passengers can change trains in an orderly manner. Disciplined group behavior is an established part of the Japanese lifestyle.

[@TheHikingHoosier]

Rarely are runway incursions the mistake of ATC. Most likely the pilot misunderstood their instructions

[@GrimYak]

yes and sometimes they even have different terminologies and phrases they use to traffic control. this is true for US Civilian and military airports. the ATC was telling him to "taxi to holding point C5 (charlie 5)" which is a valid command under ICAO, this means hold short at Charlie 5. he went on the runway anyway.

[@musicanova770]

The following is the communication record released by the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport (MLIT). 17:44:56 Tokyo TOWER JAL516 RUNWAY 34R cleared to land wind 310/8. 17:45:01 JAL516 Cleared to land RUNWAY 34R JAL516. 17:45:11 JA722A TOWER JA722A C. Tokyo TOWER JA722A Tokyo TOWER good evening, No.1, taxi to holding point C5. 17:45:19 JA722A Taxi to holding point C5 JA722A No.1, Thank you.

[@dawn5227]

Some recordings are now published. ATC told coastgaurd plan to taxi out to holding. He was never given clearance to enter runway.

[@mjremy2605]

Absolutely remarkable that every single passenger and crew on the Airbus made it out safely. It shows that Japanese people follow protocol, are organized and law abiding, and care for each other's safety. What a culture! Imagine that in America - most passengers would stomp on others and pandemonium would ensue. No manners at all. Thank you, Japan for such an excellent aviation safety record and protocols. You are the best in the world. Condolences on your Coast Guard plane disaster and loss of lives and the huge earthquake. Sincere condolences from California.

[@_w_w_]

You forget to mention that in the US, the Cabin Crew of Size from our diversity hiring would be obstructing evacuation. I am a frequent flyer and it still amazes me that US airlines hire cabin crew that are so overweight that they can barely walk through the aisle during service.... or that senior/advanced age crew with shaky hands and looking frail.

[@DunkinDonutsDude2000]

In the event of an emergency, in the U.S., passengers would get killed by being trampled, pushed, and shoved while trying to escape. And corporate culture in the U.S. and Japan are vastly different. In Japan, they hire for merit and excellence, words which are forbidden and considered racist and exclusionary in the U.S. Merit means who is the best person for the job. Merit doesn't mean everyone old, fat, young, skinny, and of every race color or religion gets represented in hiring. The 2 goals do not coincide. Here in America, the focus of corporations is on hiring for representation: diversity, equity, and inclusion. You don't have to be THE BEST for ANY job, just mediocre enough to be hired. And in the U.S., it doesn't matter if people die during a plane emergency because, well, quite frankly, the American public is cynical and the expectation of the American public is that people are GOING to die in an emergency. So American corporations don't hire based on merit because there's no benefit to the company for doing that. But if you don't have a high enough percentage of your workforce that's female, elderly, minority, or obese (which can help a company meet its handicap hiring targets), then you have the feds AND the media on your case for racism and discrimination. You will also make the news for having a workforce that doesn't reflect America. You will also get sued for having a nondiverse workforce and lose money. You can have an all-white, all youthful crew that saves everyone's lives in a crash but no one will be thanking them for saving everyone's life. Instead Americans will complain how racist and unrepresentative the flight crew is, day in and day out, when there IS NO emergency. In Japan, people don't want to have old, fat flight attendants. They won't hire any attendant above 45, they won't hire if you're even slightly overweight or unfit, let alone obese. They care about surviving a plane crash in the event of an emergency. They want flight attendants who can lift 100 pounds, who can push open an emergency door. We can't have physical requirement tests in the US because it violates the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. I work in HR. The priorities of the American flying public and the Japanese flying public are different so airlines cater to the needs, wants, and the situations of each country.

[@alidabotes6264]

Thank you also for the example of good manners you showed while evacuating the airplane. .

[@lindasmith6072]

So what about when that plane landed on the hudson river and everyone got out calmly and everyone survived ?

[@alidabotes6264]

@@lindasmith6072 Yes, that was fantastic. That pilot was incredible. They all got out because the plane floated & many boats were close by to ferry the passengers. It wasn't as frantic as the JAL aeroplane.

[@lukehelleksen68]

I was part of search and recovery efforts in 2001 after the tsunami destroyed sendai. It kills me seeing this again. I didn't realize that experience affected me soo much. 😢

[@ivanteo1973]

The coast guard pilot is alive but he may have to face all the responsibilities for the 5 lost lives.

[@kramchancel1266]

He is the pilot

[@majorlaff8682]

Unfortunately, five prison sentences.

[@billykulim5202]

when he rescued from wreck he says " the plane exploded, i'm alive, but i dont know what happened to other crew condition", seem like he dont know he make a mistake and hit by JAL plane from behind, or maybe he answer in still on the shock mind

[@trevorj79]

@@majorlaff8682as tragic as this is, people do not go to jail for mistakes

[@edenassos]

@@trevorj79 That's what you think.

[@goncas1300]

I mean, if the pilot is arguing about it maybe they actually gave autorization to him it will be recorded in the audios. either way a tragedy on top of another tragedy. hope japan stays strong

[@trevorj79]

exactly. His opinion or recollection of the event is irrelevant. It's all recorded.

[@49ersfoldem]

Making him the fall guy

[@ekspatriat]

If it's recorded there is no fall guy only the truth.@@49ersfoldem

[@amylathrop8329]

If it were recorded in the audios, best believe a government would run with ANY reason to blame the tower and NOT their own military. If you haven't noticed, the tower didn't see the plane on the runway, and it can't be seen in the video until it's struck. That is a big red flag. The tower doesn't just look on a screen and talk to pilots. They look at physical runways as well. Clearly NO ONE saw it there. WHY? Where were its lights?

[@lynxminx4]

@@amylathrop8329 Not all airports have ground radar to track the actual location of planes. Not sure if that was a factor here, but they all should have it.

[@MD-ek6yt]

The pilot made a mistake and misunderstood the instruction to taxi to holding. Instead he went on the runway and readied for takeoff, even now he insists he was given permission to taxi on the runway. Since he was facing takeoff direction and the airbus was landing, it came directly behind him, nose up in the dark. The coast guard plane wasn't equipped with a modern ADS-B transponder. Neither of the pilots or controller would have seen each other visually, or via radar.

[@vanessaruiz4705]

That pilot could actually be facing charges, because even though I feel horrible for him. his misunderstanding could have caused over 300 deaths if the bigger plane had caught fire quicker. Very unfortunate

[@MD-ek6yt]

@@vanessaruiz4705 It is a very unfortunate accident and five of the people in the pilots plane did actually die. The saddest part is that they were on their way to help in the earthquake disaster.

[@r4raced4doom2]

I came here to read all the Non-pilot opinions on how it should have been handled...i was not disappointed.

[@sklaboratorychurch]

It's curious that communication between such important control towers and pilots is done only verbally. Currently, what is being reported in Japan is the suspicion that there was a misunderstanding in the meaning between 'Please wait before entering the runway' and 'Please enter and wait on the runway' in Japanese.

[@Rockoblocko]

How else would they communicate? Text message?

[@Dragon-g9k7v]

@@Rockoblocko "How else would they communicate? Text message?" There is system called, Controller Pilot Data Link Communications (CPDLC), which is just sending text to and fro ATC and the pilots. Been around for quite some years now but not all airliners and/or airports have them.

[@Dragon-g9k7v]

@@Astrid-jx5dw "Don’t they all communicate in English? " They are supposed to. Especially international flights. But in reality, both parties [ATC and Pilots, some times] would just use their respective local language. For example German flight with German pilots getting in/out of a German airport, French, Chinese flight in China, etc.

[@DrVinnieBoombots]

HUGE Kudis to the Japan Airlines Crew getting all passengers and themselves to safety.

[@babaganoosh1969]

Wife called me from Tokyo airport on a layover to the Philippines told me about this...my prayers and thoughts to the Japanese people

[@BenMonares]

Were she able to make it to the Philippines?

[@oahuhawaii2141]

HND or NRT?

[@xSmartassxChibix]

They did release ATCs instructions to both planes, and Coast guard was given instructions to hold just short of the runway and JAL given clearance to land. They haven't released pilot responses yet, but I wonder if the Coast guard plane's captain misunderstood the ATCs instructions? I thought at first maybe they thought they'd stopped where they were supposed to and just didn't realize they were in the active runway, but looking at the airport layout there's nowhere for them to go EXCEPT the runway, so all I can think now is a misunderstanding of instructions or misattributing instructions to themselves.

[@RJiiFin]

The runway is light up like a christmas tree. No pilot worth their salt would not recognize they're on one

[@oahuhawaii2141]

@musicanova770 posted the info, showing the pilots repeated ATC's instructions properly: The following is the communication record released by the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport (MLIT). 17:44:56 Tokyo TOWER: "JAL516, RUNWAY 34R cleared to land, wind 310/8." 17:45:01 JAL516: "Cleared to land RUNWAY 34R, JAL516." 17:45:11 JA722A: "TOWER, JA722A C." 17:45:1? Tokyo TOWER: "JA722A, Tokyo TOWER, good evening, No. 1, taxi to holding point C5." 17:45:19 JA722A: "Taxi to holding point C5, JA722A, No. 1, Thank you."

[@TXnine7nine]

Sure the CG plane was in the wrong spot but i’m sure the investigation will cover why ATC didn’t see the plane was in the wrong spot before the collision. This sounds like a repeat of the LAX collision from 1991. There’s never a single point of failure (or blame) when an event like this happens.

[@MeerkatADV]

At night, furthest runway from the tower. Tower wouldn't have had a clear view of the hold short point.

[@gogogolyra1340]

Dont they have binoculars up there??

[@topgun9666]

This raises more questions like doesn't HND have ground radar that would have shown a runway conflict?

[@EbonyWarren]

I read in another comment the coast gaurd plane didn't have a system like that onboard.

[@trevorj79]

Whether or not they have radar, you’re assuming the controller is staring at that fixed point and has no other work to do. That’s unrealistic

[@juliearcand2358]

heartbreaking. Praying for all the survivor’s and the flight attendants who successfully got all the passengers off! Prayers for their mental health from first an earthquake and this plane disaster. God bless the people of Japan and their families who have endured these tragedies. ❤❤❤

[@T00LF00L]

If this was in the USA everyone would have all died because people would be trying to get their luggage from the overhead.

[@STRAWYB]

Sorry for the loss. Mistakes happen in times of emergency. Guess coast guard plane was only looking for the best interest of all. Sad.

[@NIGHTCRAWLERMEDIA]

Release the air traffic audio recordings.

[@edenassos]

It's already released. Just because you don't know where it is doesn't mean it's not out there.

[@NIGHTCRAWLERMEDIA]

@@edenassos it should be here. Why only give half the story and then rely on the government to do the rest? That's why it's called fake news.

[@millennialaviation]

The pilot of the coast guard plane more than likely is going to be in serious trouble

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Yes, Captain Obvious.

[@billykulim5202]

it was line of works, its happen if serious accident happen, i hope the pilot have the strenght to go on, dont give up and suicided, thinks about your family

[@amylathrop8329]

If a government is placing the blame for a catastrophe squarely on its own military, believe them. Whatever that pilot believes, he clearly did NOT have clearance from the tower. If the government had a single shred of reason to believe they could blame it on the tower, they would. They'd find a flunky to blame it on if they thought they could get away with it. What I can't understand is why didn't anyone in the tower SEE the CG plane on the runway before clearing the commercial plane to land? I find it interesting that it can't be seen in the video until it's hit. Where were its lights? Is that why no one knew it was there?

[@neil_digital]

A question from my side. Aren't planes on the airport runways visible on radar?

[@mandandi]

Yeah, it was dark little thing sitting on the tarmac. Looks like its lights are not bright enough and the surrounding area is not well lit. Or it just blended into the surrounding lights. Very hard to tell. I bet the A350 pilots could not see it well either in the darkness, though this is probably speculation on my part. I bet had they seen it from a distance they would have done a fly around, rather than land. Darkness also played a part I suppose.

[@BillPalmer]

The tower is a long way from the end of that runway on the other side of the airport. It was at night and the lights of the plane would be hard to distinguish between the surrounding runway and taxiway lights. Same applies for the view from the A350. The white tail light of the CG plane would be right on the centerline of the runway and blend in with the white runway centerline lights. The wingtip lights are easily lost in the runway edge lights. I’m curious though, why the A350 crew didn’t see the CG aircraft on their TCAS display (which shows other transponder equipped aircraft on their navigation display). That would have indicated that there was still an airplane on the runway. I understand that the CG plane may not have been equipped with ADS-B out - which would also have helped make them more visible to the A350 if their traffic display was selected on.

[@mensafordummies6370]

Japan's Coast Guard isn't military. It's a civilian organization, although they do work with the military from time to time.

[@jovictor3007]

Air traffic controlling is done in english , the military captain misunderstood the instructions it seems he was told to wait on the holding point ,not to hold the take off on an active runway

[@billykulim5202]

blame for their words choice that close at each other, why called that as short runaway, not just taxy way so pilot will heard that clearly,

[@70mavgr]

I wonder if it is normal for a newest generation airliner to be completely consumed by fire in such a relative short time frame.

[@billykulim5202]

airbust a350 are made with composite body, which has easy fire consumable, not like old plane which is full aluminium

[@BillPalmer]

Hopefully this will push for wider adaption of RWSL (Runway Status Lights) - as is now operational at about two dozen US airports. These lights embedded into the runway entry and centerline, give light signals to the pilot if they are cleared to enter the runway or takeoff. Thus providing some protection against misunderstood radio communications (which looks like it may play a part in this accident).

[@MeerkatADV]

Did you miss the fact that this runway has that system? The coast guard pilot claimed he had a green light to enter the runway.

[@BillPalmer]

@@MeerkatADV Thanks I just saw that. Also heard that the system has been inop for the last week or so. However,looking at the NOTAMs that’s not clear. However that system works automatically to prevent aircraft from taxiing or taking off on a on a runway that is occupied. In this case it was not (other than by the CG aircraft), so it may well be a moot point.

[@MeerkatADV]

@BillPalmer yep, and either way the radio traffic is clear. They never asked for or received permission to enter or cross a runway. It sucks, but they caused the incident that got them killed.

[@BillPalmer]

@@MeerkatADV The RWSL system doesn’t actually have green lights (for GO). But the taxiway lights are green and they are shut off when the red lights come on. When the runway is clear of other downfield traffic the red lights automatically turn off (and the taxiway lights can come back on) that is NOT a clearance to enter the runway. Here’s a link to a briefing on that system: www.icao.int/apac/meetings/2015%20visualaids/rwsl%20japan.pdf

[@ilhamrj2599]

Contingency or adding more confusion to pilots?

[@milliegirl7514]

Crazy !! And devastating Very sad 😮‍💨 I wish the Japanese people peace and harmony 🙏💕🙏 They have been hit with so many natural disasters and now this

[@arcticredpanda4598]

It's always weird how the person who makes the mistake survives while others die.

[@TrafficCamWatch]

I wonder if that pilot realizes that ATC audio is recorded and that particular audio is broadcast globally online. He can deny it until the cows come home, unless he has an encrypted frequency where he got conflicting orders, which is doubtful, he's just digging himself into a deeper hole and increasing the chances of him going to prison instead of just being shamed.

[@peterbradshaw8018]

Didn't atc see what was happening on ground radar even if transponder was off on military aircraft

[@gregj831]

Coast Guard Aircraft and Crews are essentially 'Military Aircraft and Crews' and normally, DO NOT work within a busy Civilian Airport Network like that place and so it's my guess, the Captain and FO of the Coast Guard Airplane misunderstood or didn't hear their clearance.

[@GrimYak]

yes and sometimes they even have different terminologies and phrases they use to traffic control. this is true for US Civilian and military airports. the ATC was telling him to "taxi to holding point C5 (charlie 5)" which is a valid command under ICAO, this means hold short at Charlie 5. he went on the runway anyway.

[@billykulim5202]

@@GrimYak the ATC instucted to go "short runaway", it was taxi holding point at c5 before entered runaway, the pilot probably missheard that as green to runaway

[@MD-ek6yt]

The fact that the pilot claims he was given permission to runway clearly shows this was the case. The controller and airbus follow the routine constantly whereas the Coast Guard are visiting and wouldn't be familiar with the layout of the airport and usual comms.

[@mensafordummies6370]

Japan's Coast Guard isn't military. It's a civilian organization, although they do work with the military from time to time. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Coast_Guard#

[@claudiarusso6702]

Bless those flight attendant angels 😇❤

[@HelTra91]

I hope they investigate thoroughly and aren't throwing the coast guard plane delivering aid under the bus

[@scottw550]

Other reports tonight say that records show that red warning lights designed to stop taxiing planes from entering the runway were out of service at the time of the deadly collision, but it's never one thing. It's usually a series of mistakes or errors.🤔🤔

[@OptimusOne]

If the captain of the DHC-8 was in fact cleared for takeoff then the responsibility lies on the ATC but the PIC of the DHC-8 should have also exercised proper discretion before entering an active runway.

[@MeerkatADV]

He was never clear for takeoff. He wasn't even cleared to enter the runway.

[@KRITORISS]

Someone is going to be performing Seppuku.......

[@sandrathomasson1741]

Prayers for the family

[@YogeshLovethoughts]

Ohh my god this is really painful

[@williamlouie569]

Look like the coast guard plane was on the runway. Did it take off or waiting for instructions?

[@vanessaruiz4705]

There is no need to disagree or not, i mean, communications with the tower are recorded and only one of them is right. No room for opinions.

[@hansolo-oo3ec]

it is the air tower to inform of any required pertinent orders that includes ALL safety of planes, includes cross procedures land or air...........Investigate tower procedures

[@williameberhart3505]

Prayers

[@itzdcx]

what is going on in this world

[@AlfieDoug]

Mostly war and hate.

[@kevinyancey958]

Listen to ATC recordings and you will hear them direct the Coast Guard plane to its holding location at runway 34R, but not specify to hold short of the runway. The pilot assumed he was clear to enter the runway and await clearance to take off, when he was actually supposed to hold short of the runway until cleared to enter and take off. This was the fault of ATC, for not being clear with instructions AND the pilot for not repeating the message back for clarification.

[@Dragon-g9k7v]

When directed to a holding location, it would always be for holding purposes. Else the ATC would just tell them to taxi straight to the runway and "LINE UP FOR TAKE-OFF". The transcript have been released and the Coast Guard pilots did the correct "READ BACK", which they are SUPPOSED to anyway.

[@leewright1209]

I hope all conversations were recorded if not the pilot will be the fall guy

[@EbonyWarren]

The should be, a few people have said the ATC audio is in English and available to the public now

[@edenassos]

It's his fault, it's already confirmed. There was no clearance for the DHC-8(Japan Coast Guard) to proceed to runway, thus runway incursion, and he is now a criminal.

[@trevorj79]

@@edenassosit’s an accident, not a crime.

[@edenassos]

@@trevorj79It's no accident. The world isn't naive like you.

[@trevorj79]

@@edenassos sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of your tin hat. Best of luck.

[@abdel-u2n]

What a stupid error , kids stuff, now the blame game started in full swing 😂😂😂

[@Crazymtwish]

No video of people leaving the plane

[@paperclipsquash]

Loads of video online

[@Crazymtwish]

@@paperclipsquash where drop a link..lol

[@Jack-s3b1z]

Until I see proof proving otherwise, Godzilla is on the loose!

[@googlenutzer3998]

What a horrible, horrible tragedy

[@annem7806]

AMAZED runway on ramps have no stop markings or computer monitoring/ or clear lighting to demark stop area

[@trevorj79]

They have ALL of those things

[@annem7806]

@@trevorj79 curious about control tower recordings.

[@trevorj79]

@@annem7806 word is the coast guard was instructed to taxi to the hold point, but blew past it and went on the runway.

[@bcwoods360]

Little plane..Huge airbus... that's some reporting

[@kj636]

Those passengers were just lucky enough to be in arriving flight instead departing one. If it was other way around then it could have been worse...much worse due to fully loaded fuel. This case it was coast guard who were heavily fuels that's why they burst into fireball straight away.

[@brianpistolwhip]

That's a good point.

[@suyingoh1757]

Only the black box records could reveal the truth... questions about the communication process, no instructions given, yet the pilot said otherwise to be there??!

[@Patty.29675]

MIRACLE.

[@corticallarvae]

So tragic

[@LinKongDa]

when a firetruck in an emergency with siren blaring sped pass a red light, everyone have to give way. But when it tries that over a train crossing, it get smashed to bits by the train. the Emergency crew says " we have priority!. train say:" we can't stop" Same thing here. the coast guard pilot, it is an emergency i HAVE priority. A350 i cannot stop.

[@spartacusmars1887]

"The scale of the devastation is epic" 💀

[@flyingcat2054]

Oh, so tragic. When natural disasters strike, things get crazy out of protocol. The flight attendants did exceptional, however at getting the passengers out to safety. Looking at the remnents, there wasnt anytime to loose.

[@sierraromeomike]

I wonder if the coast guard pilots were overworked and tired and fatigued

[@spike378]

If this was US airlines, you will see the flight attendants running on the tarmac before the passengers do

[@deadlotCamper]

how did the landing pilot not see the other plane in the way?

[@artisteric]

When a pilot has landing clearance in today’s airport safety age, it’s so easy to not even bother looking and focus down the runway because you are 100% convinced that the tower knows what they’re doing.

[@AlfieDoug]

Do you think you would have seen it ?

[@CRJ08]

It's difficult to see

[@almostthere100]

@@AlfieDoug YES, definitely!

[@almostthere100]

@@CRJ08 Vis looked good from the many videos.

[@jonss1948]

A Tragedy. I am not a Pilot but I know that an aircraft, when landing, has a 'nose-up angle of attack which obscures an aircraft 'holding short' to allow the cleared aircraft to land. I am puzzled why, in this age of miniaturisation of dashcams and the like, why there is not a camera beneath a landing aircraft (screen in the cockpit) to show an aircraft encroaching the runway. It may not be the solution in every case but at least it would give the Pilot and Co-pilot of the aircraft 'on approach' enough time to execute an emergency 'go-around'.

[@mandandi]

Make a suggestion to your powers that be, pilot union etc so they can pass it on to plane manufacturers. Sounds like a brilliant idea. Another camera capturing the back view on the tail for viewing landing planes from the sky would also be awesome. These two could be part of the landing and/or take off procedure if such a thing exists. However, in heavy rain, they might still not be enough.

[@_w_w_]

All planes land with that nose-up angle. The A350 even has a very slopped nose cone design compared to the B777. B787 is better than B777 in this regard. The final descent just before touchdown would have the pilots not have view on the ground, this is pretty common. Even if the pilot can see, it's pretty late at that point. His speed is too slow to conduct a go-around but too fast to slow down before hitting the Dash-8. There is not much the A350 can do at that point. Maybe, maybe if A350 rev up the engine and sped up, it could slice through the Dash-8. The moment the Dash-8 entered the active runway, it's pretty late to recover.

[@ananthan1288]

At least within airport, for planes on ground/ runway, within range of technology ( data/ Mob/microwave) voice & Text messaging confirmimg order can be given ??

[@sklaboratory1000]

No permission for the Japan Coast Guard aircraft to enter. The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport, and Tourism has disclosed the communication records🙏🙏

[@Boutys_mom]

The question is... "who" gave the CG authorization to be on the runway? Was it some other Joe in the CG who gave the all clear? Well, it will all come out - it just stinks for Japan. Tragedy upon tragedy.... My condolences to all affected.

[@Dolores5000]

Terrible

[@mrdenson3101]

I’ve flown the Airbus 350 twice. A magnificent aircraft and way more confortable than the Boeing 777 Dreamliner

[@jdaz5462]

lol 777 Dreamliner? What's that?

[@Jayayess1190]

@@jdaz5462They mean 787 Dreamliner.

[@_w_w_]

A350 is/was my favorite as I ride it often. This accident is making me rethink. Multiple interviews indicate multiple systems failed onboard the A350. Intercom was down, electronic door control was down, some lighting elements were down. The crew had to resort to manual everything. In terms of impact, this isn't as serious with the left engine clipped by the Dash-8 or clipped the Dash-8. The fact the plane is already on the ground and this type of impact can bring down multiple systems is very concerning. Plus, the composite material used on the A350 seems to be the perfect fuel for fire. It's rare to see a plane, nearly empty of fuel, could burn into a crisp like that.

[@mrdenson3101]

@@_w_w_ very interesting points raised. The investigation will shed more light. Personally I have just been impressed by the crew and the fact that the aircraft did hold structure to enable all passengers and to disembark safely

[@jdaz5462]

@@_w_w_ Your "facts" are incorrect. Your fear is irrational. The fuel came from the Dash-8 and the composite fuselage actually burned slower than an all aluminum one. No one died. Two planes colliding and not one fatality aboard the A350 is a huge accomplishment for Airbus. It's evident that this is a truly safe airplane.

[@celebrityrog]

Black boxes and ATC recordings will prove the case.

[@donwilson1307]

Yeah! What the heck were they doing on the runway?? Anybody looking out the window of the Coast Guard plane? What frequency were they on? Ground or tower control? They didn't notice the bright landing lights headed their way? Unfortunately they had their head up their butts and paid a dear price for that.

[@hmm5131]

I like how you and others pretend to have some insight or details that weren't in the video, and cast all kinds of judgements. It's a hilarious trait. Turn your phone off, man.

[@edenassos]

@@hmm5131I like how you think you are smart when they are people infinitely smarter than you who already looked at the data and said it is most definitely the fault of the Coast Guard captain who did a runway incursion without clearance. They were told to hold at C5 but went straight into the center of the runway right before TDZ(Touch down zone)

[@Waynzo-i3w]

Was thinking about this today RE: planes moving onto the runaway to take off, I don't much about how it all works, but surely when an aircraft is about to move onto the runway do they not physically look for any possible aircraft coming into land as a last chance safety procedure, like on a motorcycle you have the "life save" look over your shoulder, or do they rely 100% on traffic controllers without looking themselves? Aircraft have landing lights on as they come into land.

[@mandandi]

You are like me. However, most airports where I live don't hold on the runway. I know because i always watch when flying how planes move along until they are on the runway. There is a holding place on the taxiway near the runway where the leaving plane waits for the landing plane, then after the arriving place lands the plane waiting to take off moves from the holding point onto the runway, ready to fire its engines to max for takeoff. I always marvel at the ingenuity of that system.....until this accident. Then I realised that I know nothing at all. Perhaps the airports where I live are not as busy, therefore have the luxury of using less space on the runway than for taking off. Strange system though. I think it should be changed, else more accidents will happen.

[@MD-ek6yt]

The holding place is next to the runway. The planes don't go on the runway to get to the holding point, there is a separate road system at the side for the planes to move around the airport. The coast guard was told to move to holding at C5 but he didn't stop there, he kept going and went on the runway. Pilot error.

[@Waynzo-i3w]

But I heard that the Pilot from coastguard said he was given clearance to take off? so he knew he was going onto the runway, what my first comment was is do pilots not do a visual check for possible aircraft coming in to land for a final safety check (in case there has been an air traffic control error) ?? It would be like being in a car and relying on your passenger to tell you all clear without doing a final check yourself!

[@MD-ek6yt]

@@Waynzo-i3w The pilot misunderstood the instruction to taxi to holding. He thought he was given permission to go to the runway. He was on the runway waiting to takeoff. The airbus landed behind him with nose up in the dark. Neither pilot would have seen each other. Also at night time you can't see anything in the air and there are several airplanes circling waiting so you can't tell what plane is coming in.

[@Waynzo-i3w]

@@MD-ek6yt Right, I understand now, thanks. seems like there needs to be some sort of traffic light system, I guess same as railways and roads , if red do not proceed or something similar, seems simple solution but must be a reason nothing like that in place?

[@tomjoad929]

Godzilla strikes

[@repsolnow]

It airport runway, not tarmac.

[@meganwalker27]

Tarmac is an area of ground covered with a hard surface, especially the areas of an airport where aircraft park, land, and take off

[@CRJ08]

​@@meganwalker27so, every runway is tarmac, but not all tarmac is runway?

[@almostthere100]

@@meganwalker27 Nope... tarmac is the material used, not an area.

[@smsiv]

Tarmac is another name for runway, it’s not that difficult, people.

[@repsolnow]

@@CRJ08 correct, airport tarmac encompasses the entire aircraft movement area, these planes crashed on the runway not "tarmac", too broad, ie.ramp, taxiway, taxilane etc...

[@swsieleetn8]

The disaster victims at evacuation center in Wajima City say there is no food and water, though it's been two days after the earthquake. Still many people are trapped under the rubble, but Kishida didn’t send enough rescue crews. Japan’s government reduced the budget for disasters by 71 percent in the last 10 years. They are not interested in saving the lives of their people.

[@Bugy34]

dash pilot, you made a basic huge mistake (even a PPL student learns to maintain a holding point).... sorry for you. Court is waiting for you, good luck bro

[@georgechoquette5735]

Real SIMPLE solution. Two parts: 1) Put RED and GREEN lights at the runway taxiway(s) entrance to the runway. At the Hold Short line, put a normal signal light. 2) Insist and monitor that ATC Controllers speak CLEARLY and enunciate every word properly. Try to understand what the ATC Controllers said to the Coast Guard right before the accident. Good luck trying to figure out what was said.

[@robinblankenship117]

Dear Lord please guide the rescuers and encompass in safety all involved. Strengthen those trapped. Bring grace and comfort to those families. Amen

[@PauldeSwardt]

I think that in an emergency - any passenger who takes luggage should automatically void any insurance claim against the airline.

[@BeardyBaldyBob]

Never mind insurance claims, they should be prosecuted and given HUGE fines.

[@AndreaSimone57]

Oh my gosh!

[@YesOfcourse-fh8xd]

My question still remain, how did the Airbus pilot did not see there was a plane on the runway, so that he aborts the landing?

[@laurapeter3857]

Even if he could have seen the plane, by then it still would have been too late.

[@EbonyWarren]

Probably because it was dark and even in the video of the crash I can't see the coast gaurd plane

[@vanessaruiz4705]

well, it's a rather small plane, barely had any lights on. At least from the CCTV footage, I cant even see it. Im sure they saw it at the very last second when it was too late.

[@lovinqmaemii]

It's sad how Japan gets powerful earthquakes.

[@edwindelacruz7357]

There might be mis communication!

[@King.Mark.]

human error

[@GerydB]

Daym 2 now? Should've move to japan!!!

[@aeromtb2468]

dont they look if a plane is on final before proceeding. they have multiple runways, why cant one be used for take off and another for landing.

[@Equalesque]

It's easy to prove which side is at fault but i doubt they'll ever release the recorded comm at this grieving moment

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Did both ATC instructions state "stop short of C1" or did the second say "stop at C1"? It may explain the runway incursion. Of course, that pilot is supposed to study and remember the relevant parts of the airport layout, and know not to stop on an active runway. Perhaps he forgot or lost his bearings.

[@edenassos]

@@TrFusionYou are so wrong and confident it's funny. C1 was for DAL276 a Delta flight, not JA722A which is the Coast Guard's plane. JA722A was told to hold at C5 which they did, but they proceeded to the runway for some reason.

[@KamilahTolliver-oj7nc]

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[@Zondreia]

It's coastal airplane It's shouldn't be e on runways

[@Bridge50]

Those poor people, I'm sending prayers to all of them 😢

[@jameswormsley460]

🇯🇵🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@chromebomb]

airbus gonna sell a lot of planes after this a350 is a tank

[@KamilahTolliver-oj7nc]

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[@jameskelly5672]

Sabotage

[@robertfergusson5367]

"To see how the new carbon fiber body withstood the blaze"......Ummmm, I don't see anything left of the body so I would say, Carbon Fiber Body 0, Fire 1.

[@iwitnessedit6713]

In the US pilots must reply Hold Short, of the runway, and its corresponding number in this case 34R, to make sure they are not on a runway that has landing traffic on it. The transcript I heard does not have this reply from the Cost Guard aircraft, They say hold point which may have been misunderstood as "position and wait" meaning enter the runway and await takeoff clearance. Sadly when non-native English speakers hear something they understand something else, Which is also true for native speakers. English is a non definitive language that causes many problems.

[@trevorj79]

Taxi instructions to a hold point are as good as a hold short. Acknowledging the hold point and blowing onto the runway places the blame squarely on the pilot

[@ninadsheth8422]

This reporter she has class goes by information. CBS reporting at its best