Japan Smash Ultimate Tournament - Choco (ZSS) Vs. Umeki (Daisy) Umebura SP SSBU Semifinals

[@bbqchipspls]

Anyone else feel better knowing even pros have a mis-input or two?

[@Sukuraidogai]

It's probably due to changes from Smash 4. There are quite a few for ZSS.

[@Masterahsoka]

I have 20 mis inputs every set 😭😩😭

[@loganmoreland7394]

Glad to see people r using zero suit

[@Hapsmash]

well it's one of the best (if not, the best in japan) zss from smash 4, I hope he's using her lol...

[@mandalorianhunter1]

She still looks as strong as ever.

[@misspiggy6667]

Hapsmash she was nerfed

[@Hapsmash]

Cr1 Ew zss is good in this game.

[@princesswheat]

yeah as a zss main of nice to see some good players pick her up

[@tymandude1510]

I love how Choco plays ZSS. The spacing focused, high mobility, mid range game is so awesome and exactly how I love playing ZSS.

[@Drummerhoost]

ZSS mains wya? 🙋🏼‍♂️

[@kickbeez642]

breh we in this.

[@lk7831]

Here

[@Chris-gk6nn]

Ayo

[@clemente9839]

Yeee

[@UndefeatedZoe]

We still out here 🤣

[@damonnecolon7671]

7:27 "respect the parasol" 😂😂 fr, heed those words

[@flowerFOG]

It sounds like he's saying parasail.

[@linkerDA]

I will never understand umeki habit of running offstage and putting himself in disadvantage every time he gets a kill. Now that it's 3 stocks he gets even more punished for that.

[@cheesecakejojo]

I think ZSS's speed/mobility is what he was being cautious of. I think she could easily come back from a stock loss and take one of Daisy's stocks, if daisy were to stay in the middle of the stage. ZSS could easily run circles around most characters.

[@linkerDA]

@@cheesecakejojo could be, but if you know umeki he has been doing this since smash 4, no matter who is his opponent. It's not really rewarding as a peach player its puzzling me.

[@zarago7065]

@@linkerDA it's to keep him alive longer, no one just going go above Daisy while she's floating that's stupid

[@CaptainYesz]

It's because Zero Suit is Invincible when she spawns and she can rush you down but I also see your point it's not a good situation to be in a guessing game again Pick your poison

[@394bowser]

I also never understand how I've never seen anyone punish it either lol

[@DREAMSQU33ZE]

They both played beautifully 👌

[@RobertoLyrio]

The parasol hitting from above the platform in that distance is ridiculous.

[@andydietrich3689]

Roberto Lyrio lol yeah that’s what is ridiculous, not getting down B’d off the stage and I quote “carried him through the tournament”

[@whatlol5435]

zss got nerfed but choco’s neutral only got better

[@Max-tq5fs]

Because zss neutral tools actually got better. People are fools if they underestimate her, once her punish game is figured out she'll be a thread just as big if not bigger as in smash 4.

[@whatlol5435]

Max her punish game has been nerfed pretty hard tho. her “thing” in smash 4 were the grab combos u get when u punish a whiff or smth. now u almost get nothing from a grab (at least not a kill). i lost faith in this character tbh.

[@Max-tq5fs]

@@whatlol5435 You have lost faith in a combo/setup heavy character after barely a week of meta development? Weak. We're discovering new bullshit kill and combo setups nearly every day currently. nAir leads to FJK spikes up to 100%. bAir > FJK is true vs people on platforms from below. Both landing fAir 1 and 2 combo into FJK at varying %. sSpecial hold can true combo into ladder and even platform extended ladder. dTilt combos as well, dSmash combos when dTilt stops comboing. nAir combos even into itself and then ladder/FJK. We know all this and we're not even half a month in. Whoever underestimates this character is in for a very rude awakening in a month or two.

[@Max-tq5fs]

@@whatlol5435 You realize all her aerials except dAir are safe on shield right? hell, uAir and zAir are -2 and virtually unpunishable even without any proper spacing and nAir is like -3, only very few characters with great shield cancel punishes are even capable of punishing this and even then the punish is nearly exclusively weak.

[@Lightning-gg5iu]

@@whatlol5435 Man stop thinking like we're in Smash 4. It's a new game and people will discover new tech.

[@TheUltimateNatural]

This is the kind of aggressive gameplay offstage from the english-speaking players I want to see.

[@DrGandW]

TheUltimateNatural You mean that you want to see from the english speaking players, right?

[@icebear6757]

Nice to see choco still repping ZSS

[@JVGreen150]

im picking up daisy in ultimate and it's really hard to get in. her combos and follow ups are great but getting in in the first place is a chore

[@DustyMusician]

same, I had this problem against ZSS in Smash 4, too. Peach/Daisy have so much trouble against disjoints bc the only tool they have to get in is Vegetable and characters like ZSS are too fast for them to have time to pluck one

[@pineapple3798]

VG POSTING UMEBORA VODS NOW POGGERS. GIMR HOW DO I SUB TWICE

[@Archiez2]

People need to stop jumping and start air dodging away from the blast zones jumping is killing them

[@SrMissileMonkey]

Airdodging away from the blast zone might kill you earlier as the start of it has you reel back for a split second before going forward. That's risky, but youre right.

[@Sakaki98]

Matthew Stratton Eh, if you’re launched near the blast zone with something like bair, ftilt, or f smash, then you can typically diagonal dodge upwards and be alright. You can also do it near the stage to help cover people looking to two-frame you. Sure, it has a lot of ending lag, but it’s not without its uses.

[@sorenzzz]

ZSS can FJK to halt her momentum :)

[@iheartrockstarboys]

Love how Choco doesn't spam boost kicks

[@zsoliddanys1083]

And people say Zss is bad, smh.

[@javiersoto6523]

Not bad but not nearly as good as she was in 4

[@zsoliddanys1083]

@@javiersoto6523 agree, but still really good.

[@devilix123987]

who said ZSS is bad? she's like A tier. and SSBU is really balanced, so she's really good.

[@zsoliddanys1083]

@@devilix123987 i totally agree, she is a solid A tier, not good enough for S but definetly not B tier either. Still, a lot of people think she is bad even to this day, i just dont get it 😐

[@devilix123987]

@@zsoliddanys1083 prolly just cause she got nerfed from smash 4, but they forget just how good she is at punishing and spacing. Plus she plays well on Ultimate's engine.

[@koidetaikojiro]

Abunai

[@TheKingGavo]

Did anyone notice that around 3:15 Daisy pulls a turnip but is able to use F-Air whilst holding it? An interesting tech, reply if you have an idea of what happened.

[@MrBcuzimbored]

tilt stick

[@Shepherdl_._l]

While you are floating you are able to perform aerials and have an item in your hand

[@cybae0804]

Seems like zss grabs are too risky with no reliable combos to use and it's not even worth going for grabs anymore

[@zsoliddanys1083]

Wrong, fthrow is a tech chase and can lead into a jablock.

[@21Jin21]

Kyprosa Daeior forward throw forces tech

[@mute8375]

I mean it’s a tether grab, they got nerfed for obvious reasons. At the end of the day grabs should be used sparingly and regardless you can always do a side throw or up and either make your own combo in the moment or keep pressure during neutral, that’s the art of smash.

[@edwinvargas7969]

Even if forward throw didnt force a tech situation, its still important to go for grabs to keep your opponent in check

[@lilsparks96]

MuTe - Umm what? Tether grabs were never good, so that’s not why it has been nerfed. Now she has a highly punishable grab that doesn’t give her much reward compared to other characters.

[@KenKen-ec3rt]

this hepled me so much trying to learn zss, not staying on the ground and just harrasing until you can get an opening

[@IzanagiO]

How the hell do you do Peach/Daisy float near the ground like that? I keep trying but I can't guess how it works. Do I need a different button layout?

[@IzanagiO]

@Miraç C. Found out how to do it a day after I made this comment but thanks anyway

[@kovenmaitreya7184]

That was beautiful 😭

[@azu4907]

1:38びっくりしたw

[@dominicpiovesan1715]

ZSS mains rise up

[@m.t-thoughts8919]

I love Zss!😍

[@Dankious]

Nice

[@MACA_Zeon]

Zss frame data uhh yesssss

[@まぐろツナ缶-i4g]

スマブラ観れて英語聴けて一石二鳥！

[@maneskin10]

Samus 😚

[@brandonaguirre6384]

will they nerf zeros meteor?

[@jamilf9947]

Brandon Aguirre i doubt they would nerf zss again

[@majimawife]

@@jamilf9947 just happened lmao

[@maurindioalessandro4259]

malditos viciosos

[@Jakiegrox]

Daisy's shiiiiiit~

[@mothrakaiju7344]

Peach is better

[@Newbtuber]

Eh I feel Peach/daisy is over rated. Their damage is too small. Jab only does 5% and up-air only does 10% and when you consider every body got a damage boost, 5% and 10% is pretty low. Up-air doesn't even kill or has any combo potential beside juggling.

[@earlyman7439]

Drag down up air from gf is still a thing and it combos so you're wrong there. But i do agree about her damage, but i think she'll be equal to her 4 counterpart, but not outright top teir. I feel like people are overrating her options/potential in a game where everyones manuverability is buffed. Float isn't as strong in this game.

[@Newbtuber]

@@earlyman7439 I also feel her upsmash hit box is weaker too.They pretty much have to be right inside her for it to hit. I tried fast fall up-air but the side hit box is much smaller and much harder to pull off. The damage is not even that good so not really worth it in my opinion. If the hitbox on upsmash is better, fast fall upair drag to up smash might be possible

[@SpringRain09]

I think she's overrated too. Still, saying they're lacking damage is uh... yikes. Her combo game is too insane for me to agree with that.

[@Newbtuber]

@@SpringRain09 That is fair, her combo game is definitely strong and probably stronger then most of the cast but since damage been boosted across the board, having a strong combo game isn't as essential it was in smash 4. We have character like Icinaroar who can do just as much damage was 2 hits. Not saying you are wrong or I am right about damage, I just personally think the reward you get from her combo doesn't compensate the overall damage growth of every character.

[@riotv6]

EoE.. All I gotta say