Japanese Citizenship & Permanent Residency - My Thoughts

[@TwoWheelCruise]

What do you think? Is Japanese citizenship or permanent residency worth the sacrifice? 📷 Filmed on Insta360 One X2 - www.insta360.com/sal/one_x2?insrc=INREUNG 🎤 Microphone - amzn.to/2KMs1cs

[@michalwiktorow2188]

Actually I think (IMHO) that is it. If it additionally gives you retirement pension, voting and more ... ten yes, I do tend to understand why it is is "all the way in" decision (created as such). Prove your commitment take side, and show that as a society they can rely on you, and not that you would easily fled when things would not be so good. I think that at some point it sounds fair.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Yes, that is a fair point and completely understandable. Unfortunately, we are not ready to 100% commit right now.

[@geraldshields9035]

@Two Wheel Cruise There’s a part of me that envies you, envies the chance of living in Japan, the chance to master and improve my “悪い日本語” and to learn a new culture. Worse I’m over 50 which make even working briefly there all but impossible.

[@geraldshields9035]

@Two Wheel Cruise I’m not sure living in the US would be a good thing. Also, say you do choose to go back, Thuong would have to go though the process of getting a Green Card. Seattle has a good, extensive bike trail network and a good cycling community though😂.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

What a tough decision. How good is the pension in Japan and the probability of a decent retirement vs. the US? Having access to the US markets is very advantageous to building wealth. I am not sure how expensive it is to invest from Japanese investment brokers and their tax policy regarding them. Personally, I think you should move to Europe and keep your US citizenship. If you have kids at least you can pass it on to them. The cycling in Europe is great and the views are awesome too. I have know a couple where the wife is Japanese and husband is British. He once said he would like to retire in Japan but after living in France and cycling a ton there, I think they'd rather stay in France.

[@davidkan5469]

To be honest, I think you guys will find a way to stay in Japan and ride happily ever after...

[@kaihsieh9594]

The mortgage rate for Japanese citizen from major bank was around 1%-2%, I was on work visa and could not get a loan from major bank, but managed to get it via some subsidiary of JA Bank, which was about 3%. Not the 10% you were told... Later I found out from a co-worker that there are certain branch of major bank (SMBC) that would give easier access to mortgage with favorable rate for people on work visa. Also, don't go mortgage shopping yourself, if you see a property you want to buy, just tell the agent you would buy it if they can find a bank that will give you a loan and they will find you one. At least that was how I did it.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Oh wow, thanks for the tip! That's nice to hear you were successful with that.

[@billwilliams9527]

You guys have a decision to make, and it's yours. You know all the alternatives. You need to be a citizen of 'some country' so you make a pick. Nothing wrong with Japan compared to any other country that I can see, maybe Japan is a good pick. The sooner you become citizens, the sooner you both can settle down, begin to find your careers and find yourselves. You have face the fact that a decision is necessary what ever you do. Find the best alternatives and get on with your lives and you will be better served. I can tell you, returning to the US will be a disappointment. Have a zoom conversation with relatives.

[@andrewlin880]

I love the way of seeing the road and listening your clear voice. This feels warm and safe.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Glad you like our videos :)

[@delasdf]

Woow Thuong’s english is getting better! Ride safe always!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thanks! :)

[@guilhermeteixeira7095]

I'm new to the channel and I'm in love with it, your videos are very informative, interesting, simple and genuine. I wish you two all the best for your future. Greetings from Brazil, South America.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thank you so much!

[@iMadrid11]

I’m sure you’ve already looked into it. For your wife getting a US spousal visa would be the best solution long term. Which is great for her if Vietnam allows dual citizenship.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Yes, that seems to be the best next step, but we have to wait until she can get into Vietnam to apply.

[@ehhwhatful]

why would anyone want to get us citizenship?

[@BikeEatRepeat]

@@ehhwhatful as a South east asian, I would love to have to have US citzenship because life sucks here compared to US.

[@valeraanovsk1468]

@. Lol literally more than half of the world (mostly third world countries of course) would kill to get a US citizenship, because of the quality of life and the numerous opportunities

[@12823matthewkao]

@@valeraanovsk1468 if compared with japan and some european nations, the quality of life in the US is actually quite low.

[@Mulakism]

very meaty discussion about pros and cons of having either PR or JC. Thanks for sharing. I actually envy you guys because you could speak Japanese. My family and I are living in Kobe for over 14years now with PR status but my wife and I still couldnt read and converse well. I believe that over time your outlook about PR/citizenship would be changed especially when you have kids with you. Goodluck!

[@giancarlorivera8113]

Thuong san rides so well, and you got a great cardio, continuously talking while riding a bike is hard specially on the uphill section. Nice topic, I'm learning more about Japan. Watching your channel helps me start a conversation with my former Shachou that now lives here in the Philippines. Nice view and clear video with your insta 360.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thank you! The hills are tougher now that we are riding less haha.

[@Rcck.7282]

that fast car must be listening to some eurobeat

[@DjClarky78]

8:45 - interesting to hear Thuong-chan speaking English. She is getting very good.

[@yttsutsui7388]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Cruise. I agree that for many people it was not a cold reality until quite recently, that we had more time to slowly make up our minds. It sounds like you have gone through a lot of options and considerations since COVID when you were packing and ready to move to Vietnam. I'm sure whatever you decide to do is well informed and best suit your life decision. Looking forward to meeting you in person some day when I return to Japan with my bike. For now, living as a PR in Australia is not restrictive at all, so I think I'll put off my own decisions :p

[@TwoWheelCruise]

We're approaching a big inflection point, but hopefully won't have any more big decisions for a while after that haha

[@richardharris8538]

I don't envy you two with that difficult choice. It was nice to hear Thuong's contribution in excellent English.

[@vivoslibertos]

Thank you for sharing the knowledge and your thoughts. Let's hope japan will change the policy in the future, as we know japan is sometimes 'playful and whimsical' with their hone tatemae attitude in order to maintain harmony. Wish you guys the best decision but for now just enjoy what the country have and live to the fullest.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thank you! :)

[@chloenghk]

us allows dual citizenship. anyway, japan also provide pr does not mean japan grant passports to u

[@MelvisikletaBikeVlog]

Wow! Beautiful sceneries!

[@richardm6985]

お疲れ様でした！ These living-in-Japan videos u guys make are great :)

[@galas455]

It sounds like your decision-making paradigm is rock solid, but keep in mind there are parts of the U.S. that are also quite beautiful. Good luck!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

We've had a lot of time to think about this haha. Indeed, there are many beautiful places to explore in the US.

[@Chrisb8s]

I vote for Colorado. :)

[@emikami1]

It's getting tougher to keep U.S. investment accounts as U.S. Citizen living in Japan. Except for Interactive Brokers, it seems every U.S. brokerage account will close your account once they find out you are living in Japan. IRA's are another issue, especially the Roth IRA. In the U.S., if you are at least age 59 1/2 and had opened a Roth IRA account at least 5 years ago, it'll be tax free. However, Japan will treat U.S. Roth IRA like any tax deferral account. In other words, it is subject to Japanese national income tax and residential tax even on earnings that happened while you were still in the U.S. You exclude the contribution portion from taxable income in Japan but only if you can prove the actual amount based noting the exchange rate at the time. In other words, it'll be a pain to figure this one out. One major issue is that U.S. taxes its citizens and green card holders on a worldwide basis no matter where you live. For work income, it isn't so bad because you get the foreign earned income exclusion but for other types of income like interest, dividend, capital gains, and retirement income, there are no such exclusion. You rely on claiming foreign tax credit to avoid double taxation but the rules sometimes get complicated--perhaps so complicated that professionals will often get it wrong. Most cases, you end up paying the higher of the two tax per category of income and in the worst case, you would not completely avoid double taxation. The escape strategy of retaining U.S. Citizenship and remaining in Japan might not work too well in some cases. If you reside in Japan for more than 5 years out of the last 10 years, for tax purpose, you are treated the same as if you were a permanent resident even without obtaining such Visa. At that point, you are required to declare all foreign financial assets such as stocks, bonds, mutual funds, bank accounts if the total exceeds 50 million yen by March 15 of the of the following year. Holding assets itself isn't going to trigger any tax but what you do afterwards can trigger an exit tax and this system is designed to allow easy enforcement of Japanese tax law. 国外財産調書 www.nta.go.jp/taxes/shiraberu/taxanswer/hotei/7456.htm 国外転出時課税制度 Kokugai tenshutsu-ji kazei seido - This is a system where if you have at least 100 million yen total of securities worldwide and a Japanese tax resident leaves Japan, Japan will tax all unrealized capital gains as if you sold all of your positions the day before you left Japan. It is kind of an exit tax. But from U.S. standpoint, it wasn't truly sold so unless you actually sell it before you leave Japan, you won't be able to offset the Japanese tax with foreign tax credit. To be very clear, 100 million yen includes stocks you own in the U.S., Japan, or anywhere else in the world. 国外転出時贈与課税制度 Kokugai tenshutsu-ji zoyo kazaei seido - This applies if you are a Japanese tax resident and have at least 100 million yen total of securities worldwide, and that person gives some appreciated securities to someone whom is not a tax resident of Japan, not only will there be possible gift tax but also income tax on any unrealized capital gains. To be very clear, 100 million yen includes stocks you own in the U.S., Japan, or anywhere else in the world. 国外転出時相続課税制度 Kokugai tenshutsu-ji sozoku kazaei seido - This applies if a tax resident of Japan dies and leaves appreciated assets to those whom aren't in Japan, capital gains tax is due as if the appreciated assets were sold in addition to Japanese inheritance tax is due. Japan has been more aggressive with enforcing their laws. The latest U.S. Japan Tax Treaty amendment allows each country to request tax and financial information from the other country for purpose of enforcement. It does appear the requested country cannot decline such request even if it conflicts with their privacy laws. U.S. has its own Exit tax for giving up U.S. Citizenship or U.S. Long term residency. If you have worldwide assets above $2 million at the time of giving up U.S. Citizenship or U.S. long term residence, you must declare all assets worldwide, calculate capital gains as if they were sold the day before you gave up U.S. Citizenship or U.S. Greencard, and if the amount of gain exceeds the exemption amount, it'll be taxed as an exit tax. You also cannot retain IRA's usually if you are in such category because those accounts are considered specific accounts thus the entire amount is calculated as if it was withdrawn the day before you gave up your U.S. Citizenship. You usually can keep the 401(k) but if it is a Roth 401(k), you have that issue with Japan not recognizing it as a tax free account and will tax earnings which happened even before you moved to Japan if you were to withdrawal money from the 401(k). $2 million is a sizable amount but hasn't been adjusted for inflation for many years so this exit tax is likely to impact a lot more people into the future. So funny thing actually happens when you cross the border. If you don't have a ton of assets invested, it might not be that bad. But as you build more investment assets, it becomes a lot harder to move back anyway and it also becomes difficult to give up your Citizenship for tax reasons. It better if you can decide early what to do because it'll be tougher to move back later on even if you held your U.S. Citizenship.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

Great information. I live in France and thankfully France allows pension and retirement accounts to be taxed in the US. This means Roth IRA's are tax free by both countries :)

[@emikami1]

France is in the lucky few that has a tax treaty in the U.S. that indirectly recognizes the Roth IRA because both government and private pension are taxed at the source country. Article 18: www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/france.pdf thunfinancial.com/home/american-expat-financial-advice-research-articles/expat-roth-conversions-qna/ Unfortunately, U.S. Japan Tax treaty gives country of residence the primary taxing authority under article 17: www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/treaties/Documents/japantreaty.pdf The situation creates a huge problem because normally, U.S. Citizens and Residence plan on investing as if they were going to stay in the U.S. indefinitely but at some point in their life, they ended up moving elsewhere. What was optimal tax planning initially becomes the opposite. More than the issue of whether to allow dual citizenship or not, I want to see tax simplification and fairness for those running into cross border issues. It's probably better for Japan anyway to change tax policies to attract more people. Population is declining. Native born Japanese citizen working professionals leaving Japan and never returning because of these tax traps. It does seem the government got just a little too greedy.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

These are excellent points that I should've brought up in the video! Thankfully we're not that rich, but some of these rules are really terrifying if you continue to stay here and build wealth and then leave. It's especially annoying how there are no safe IRA investment options for Americans here :(

[@emikami1]

@@TwoWheelCruise That's the other problem. If you're an American living in Japan, iDeCo or NISA isn't going to help you because the U.S. will treat this as something different that's not tax friendly at all. "Thankfully we're not that rich"....for now. As I mentioned, the inflation adjuster is not present so just maybe it isn't an impossibility to reach it someday? Look at Roth IRA. How big do you think it'll get by the time you're 59 1/2 or 72 or later? If you returned to the US, all of that will be tax free but if you stayed in Japan or even moved to most other countries, you will be taxed on the earning portion provided you can prove how much of it was contribution. One major challenge with going to the U.S. is the healthcare cost. For you two, I suppose you'll just get a job and get employer sponsored coverage but looking at a longer term picture, just maybe your wife's parents may want to come to the U.S. if you two settle in the U.S. The issue with that is that work family coverage normally would not cover parents. They might already be 65 or older by then but won't be eligible for Medicare because they have no U.S. work record. After 5 years of living in the U.S., they will become eligible to enroll in Medicare but because of lack of U.S. work record, they have to pay more because even Part A isn't free for those without U.S. work record. For the first 5 years they aren't eligible for Medicare, they can enroll in Obamacare and get premium subsidy. The issue is beyond that 5 year mark. Some just get U.S. Citizenship after 5 years so they can enroll in Medicaid (welfare program) but that trick will only work if you truly don't have much in savings (something like $2000?). So no really good solution to bringing parents to the U.S. unless one of them still can find work in the U.S. that covers healthcare cost for 10 years. I suppose settling in Japan will lead to the same type of issue if bringing parents is in the longer term goal.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

That's exactly why we're considering getting out now before things just compound and get worse unless we commit to citizenship. For the US though, the medical costs are definitely our biggest concern.

[@theodorshittgen2300]

Hi , I am Korean who live in Aichi , Dont lose US citizenship. If possible I will do anything to get US greencard or citizenship. US is still great country.

[@MrTripsJ]

I think I will become a citizen once my Japanese is fluent because that would help so much with jobs. And my GF is Japanese. I plan on committing 100% in Japan. And the passport is so powerful I can easily visit family in Australia

[@TwoWheelCruise]

The strong passport is very appealing!

[@sfsjkid]

That's a nice part of town that I might ride someday! Too bad about the speeders though! Giving up citizenship is a serious matter but agree that it is easier than getting permanent residency in Japan. I did have one thought, If Thuong-san became a Japanese citizen, how difficult would it be for her to regain Vietnamese citizenship through her relatives, if the need arose? You could then get permanent residency through her? Personally, I felt pretty lucky to have residency status for Japan since the medical system in the US is so screwed up, and worried about the one serious illness that would bankrupt me. Good luck and looking forward to more videos!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

It may be possible to get it back, not sure. The high medical costs in the US are definitely a concern 😥

[@Jb-oo4gg]

Hope you’re doing alright guys. Love the content! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@seannifercolman7896]

Cruz, a fellow cyclist recognized your kit this past Sat. She liked the design.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Say hi next time 😉

[@KevinMoore5q]

You are a great couple, take it day by day.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thank you! :)

[@DiabloValleyPeds]

If you were to go to the USA, your wife can qualify for a greencard in the USA (10 years if you have been married for more than 2 years). And after 5 years, your wife can become a US citizen (and keep her Vietnamese passport and citizenship). You would just have to give up careers and life in Japan. Not sure of the options for Vietnam but again would likely still put you in limbo and your wife doesn't gain any options.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Only 3 years for her if we move 😉

[@roejogan1759]

love ur videos man!!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Glad you like them!

[@mcellenvt1]

Nomad Capitalist talks about different passport/citizenship options, if you've heard about him.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Go where you're treated best 😉

[@levzlife]

were in the same situation, still thinking, taking time and just enjoy Japan....its hard to decide so quick..

[@TwoWheelCruise]

It's not easy

[@JaneWong1996]

The smart step would be to consult an immigration attorney. The US offers both immigrant spouse visas and nonimmigrant spouse visas. Once the spouse is in the US and has permanent resident status, an application for US citizenship, if one wants citizenship, is just a matter of time -- and a little effort. Although Japan does not recognize dual citizenship, the US does. To be more precise, one can naturalize in a foreign state without risk to one's citizenship. Although no one knows for sure how many Americans have dual citizenship (or multi-nationality -- there are plenty of US citizens who also have citizenship in two, three, or more countries)., the number is almost certain to be in the millions. Furthermore, there must be thousands (or tens of thousands) of people who have both Japanese citizenship and citizenship of other countries. I know many people who have both Japanese citizenship (and, of course, a Japanese passport) and US citizenship (and a US passport). And Vietnam now recognizes dual citizenship under certain circumstances. When you need an operation, you probably don't do it yourself, but turn to the services of a doctor. So when you are considering options around nationality, not getting professional advice wouldn't be the way to go.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

True, always best to consult a professional.

[@kabsatfred9408]

Hope to see you one day two wheel cruise ,always watched your vdeos, working also here in japan from philippines . Godbless🙂

[@kelalamusic9258]

I’ve been away for awhile, sorry! If getting a Japanese citizenship means giving up your American and Vietnamese citizenships, then I would say no. It’s like burning your bridges behind you. They are asking too much of you. If it meant dual citizenships, then yes. Perhaps just go with permanent resident status. But how long can one maintain that? I’m sure you both will come to the right decision. All the best.

[@JongUn-r1s]

It's okay just throw away your vietnamese passport 👍

[@ez22009]

Great discussion..

[@treharris1677]

I hit "like" but I must complain about the camera view from TWC. Thuong appears to wiggle side to side like she's being buffeted by strong winds! I kinda can't watch it. I think the stick camera is picking up lateral vibrations. I had to go sound only on this one. You guys are great and I love to see Japan cycling by!

[@pierreheim4695]

Happy to be back to your channel after a 'Covid break' I missed the developpement of your previous plans to move to 🇻🇳 Any vlog about it ?

[@TwoWheelCruise]

We will be making an update announcement soon.

[@MrPhil604]

Thought provoking for my Sunday morning coffee. Ultimately I returned to my home country and retained my citizenship. When young your options are wide open - as you age and life moves on (wife, children, obligations) there is a need to exchange flexibility for stability and that is the point where hard decisions have to be made. You have time which is all good. I suspect that as the Japanese population ages we will see even more flexibility in terms of residency/citizenship so hopefully that will allow you two the freedom you need.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

I also think Japan may become more flexible with this in the future as they will inevitably need to become more immigrant friendly to survive.

[@asarda4]

That's exactly my thoughts.. they literally need to hold on to all the people they can, but these changes will come in steps..

[@shellyannegoh6054]

@@TwoWheelCruise A sobering video. I doubt that Japan will open up. Signs of opening will be evidently seen in language education policy. Japan had the JET program because of backlash from the international community back then when it continued to be a close economy and society. So, the JET program was born 34 years ago as a response. However, there was zero quality control given to the program for 34 years till present day. Japan continues grammar translations teaching for its English public schools which is a method that it continues to use since the Meiji era. So, think about your kids long-term. Japan will be open only to fundamentally recruit cheap labour for jobs that its residents do not want to do as it is happy with the gig economy. The point system jobs has been a marketing tool to assuage political backlash for it being a closed country. This Japan learnt well in the early days of engaging with the international community. I have a Polish and 2 American friends living their old age here and had insufficient pension due to the contractual and part-time nature of most jobs for foreigners. They have cut down on using the heater and they are 72 and 74 years old. They have no where to go. They were too old to return to Poland or the US. The female US friend is worried what will happen to her when her American husband passes on here. She had a hard time finding work when she hit her 50s in Tokyo when the gig economy kicked in. The Japanese economy has still not recovered from the lost decades these past 20 years and continues to stagnate. They have increased sales tax to pay for their retirees recently. The young Japanese are overworked and paying more, and the situation is much harder for them than their parents. In fact, real wages have been decreasing compared to other OECD countries and the Bank of Japan continues to print fiat money....

[@hikingfilming8708]

It is a tough decision to make and one you will live with, and its ramifications, for the rest of your lives. The big headache will come when you have children, especially if you are considering giving up US/ Vietnam citizenship, you have their futures to think about as well. We are in the process of moving back to London so that my wife can get her British citizenship and then both my daughter and wife will be dual British/ Thai, which, gives us all the options and security we want. If you were to stay in Japan, for me, the residency sounds like the best way forward but that is obviously another 4/5 years in Japan. Is there a way that you can guarantee, if shit hits the fan in this mad world, that your wife can immediately move back to the US with you? DM if you want any info about living life in SEA. It is a wicked place to live but there are some real negatives which I don't think people realise. Thanks for another great ride!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

There is a lot to consider. It takes about 2 years to get a green card now to get a spouse into the US, which is terrifying to think about in case something happens again 😢

[@hikingfilming8708]

@@TwoWheelCruise I can see why we have some of these immigration rules but some of them are too harsh for genuine relationships. That is very scary for you guys then. I am sure you will both make the right decision as you talk through everything alot. I say they more you say it out loud, the better decision you will make in the end. Chok dee (Good luck in Thai) 🙏🏼

[@cherieyoungblood806]

That ride was really beautiful. Also i am glad that you guys had a path to bike on as those speeding cars were scary. They looked nice but scary passing by like that lol. Also Japan seems good in certain aspects but i agree with not wanting to let go of your America passport and her Vietnam passport. I think i would rather be a tourist of Japan just because of the no dual citizenship thing. I understand why they do it but at the same time it seems very behind with the times if you know what i mean. They do have a beautiful country though. Also hoping that you will ride this course again because it was fun watching you guys ride and hill climb. Great video.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Was definitely glad to have the barrier from the road with all the speeding cars today haha. Thanks!

[@Chrisb8s]

So much to think about. Consider that both of you took a huge leap of faith in moving to japan and fate has it that you met there, it is a special place. When you look at what is happening in the US right now the extreme politics and fun violence. I don’t see how coming back even sounds that great. Where would you rather raise a child? I watch another KZbin channel and he is Swedish and his wife is Japanese. They are moving back to Sweden because he does not like the rigid culture of school and work in japan. The lack of an opportunity to express oneself and be creative. It’s all about working and being productive. Of course, outside of the current options. If Thuong got dual US and Vietnamese citizenship, more of the world opens up as opportunities

[@TwoWheelCruise]

I prefer Japanese school for elementary, but US after that for sure. Even despite all the craziness in the US now, it opens the most doors and security for our future.

[@Chrisb8s]

@@TwoWheelCruise the US option allows dual citizenship for Thuong and the blue passport that will get you anywhere. The good thing is. You have options. Some don’t. :). I can tell that you guys live very frugally and save money. You know that the shootings in the US are usually in particular areas. You could live an entire lifetime in Chicago and never feel unsafe. I live in Arizona and it just gets too hot in the summer.

[@Shawn-xg8dq]

Hey Cruise, my wife and I are literally waiting to see what decision you and Thuong make to help us make our own decision. We are Americans, 33 years old, (she is Chinese), have good jobs (that don't transfer well to any other country, we are nurse practitioners) so we'd have to give up our very high paying jobs, so no idea what we'd do for work, but we’d have maybe $500,000 in savings, but we've always felt like living forever in the states just wasn't for us but we aren’t sure. We keep thinking, if we stayed in the states what city would we stay in? None of them seem like "enough”, the good ones are SO expensive, and the good ones aren't even close to the same quality of life as regular Japanese city, it seems. I feel like you HAVE to drive everywhere, there's not much walkability, the healthcare system is so frightening as you get older. We don't know what to do! Hope you guys are doing well now that you're back from Singapore and back in Vietnam!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

I think there are many other places around the world that provide a better quality of life (of course depending on what you value). It is a big risk to move, especially if you are giving up a solid career path, but there is new opportunity wherever you go and it sounds like you have a much bigger savings to fall back on if necessary. Good luck!

[@hamtairo]

Interesting discussion (came here for bikes, grassroots bike race and Japanese bike shop visit) I not sure how strict is Japan but from where I come from (Malaysia), they dont allow dual citizenship but I personally know buddies of mine have dual citizenship in secret but they avoid trouble using those passport when visiting Malaysia and some extra steps elsewhere to prevent being detected as holding dual passport. Not sure if Japanese government will give fast track permanent residency if one purchase a new property by cash? I know previously certain country does this way. Nice bike path to be honest but I can imagine it be scary to ride at night unless one have sufficient illumination.🔦🔦💡💡 Do these bike path get crowded in peak periods? Subscribed to your channel as i have questions in your other video. Hope you could able spend some time answering it.🙇‍♂️ Ps: you really killing two birds with this video with you riding and talking at the same time.👍

[@TwoWheelCruise]

I guess it's common in Asian countries to not allow dual citizenship. A lot of Japanese people gain other passports and hide them, but it's impossible as a foreigner since showing proof of giving up your citizenship is part of the application process. I don't think real estate investment speeds things up at all, but I guess it's a possibility. This path is rarely ridden and I've only ever passed like 5 people tops while riding on it.

[@seanruss08]

I would start working on a spouse visa, I've heard it takes a while. Enjoy Asia while you wait. My wife is from China, we travel that way from time to time. I'd like to bicycle in Japan it looks like they have bike paths everywhere! Cheers

[@ericmeekey7886]

Would living in Guam be a possibility? Condos are pricey, but it's as close to Japan as it gets without leaving US soil.

[@eLpELoNdeJaPoN]

I felt a lot of contradictions while watching this video. I'm living in Japan since 2008 and I own a house have a mortgage with a flat 35 plan and so . Not sure if you're talking by a friend's experience or actually consulted the Ministry of Justice . Anyhow I hope you find the perfect status for your needs .

[@duaneguzman5279]

Konnichiwa! New subscriber here. I also plan to move to Japan. Did you work for the JET Program? Thanks a lot.

[@freddyjingjo]

What camera and how are you mounting it on your bike in this vid? Thanks for sharing 🙏

[@lemhobbs4628]

I absolutely luv your videos. I've been watching them for a while and I'm in Japan myself now (3 months so far) thinking about how to stay permanently. I know this is off topic but can I ask you how long did it take you to speak fluent Japanese? I've been studying 2yrs and I'm still struggling to hold a conversation.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thanks! I was conversational after 1 year and fairly fluent after 2, but it's never ending Haha

[@KM-my9zy]

I am the opposite of you. I am Japanese living in the United States. I love riding road bike here in the states and cycling club here is awesome. Unlike America, Japan is a tough country to get permanent residency or citizenship. As you mentioned it is stressful especially for foreigners to live in Japan. In my opinion, there is still somewhat discrimination in the country. It is sad. Regardless, best of luck to you and Thun chan!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thanks!

[@stormpegasisfan]

I love your videos, you're a lovely couple! One thing I wanted to know How did you achieve to record all that long video with the insta360 go 2? If I'm not wrong it only records for about 10 minutes, doesn't it?

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thank you! This was filmed with the X2 360 camera, which is a separate model than the Go 2. The Go 2 can film over 10 minutes, but you will need to break it up into different clips.

[@jonathanhill2113]

good to hear your thoughts about this. the not allowing foreign residents in last year was definitely a low point. question: how often do you get beeped by a car when you feel like its defnitely uncalled for？in osaka its maybe once a day, when commuting by bike.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Never, even when I rode in Osaka

[@jonathanhill2113]

@@TwoWheelCruise wow！ maybe I'm just dangerous then lol

[@FolkMusic33]

If I were an American citizen (thankfully I am not, since my parents decided against settling permanently in the USA in the 1980s), I would renounce American citizenship the first chance I got because of the FATCA nonsense alone, the fact that Eritrea (an extremely poor and corrupt socialist country located in the Horn of Africa) is the only other country besides the USA that taxes (and even if you fall below the income threshold, you still have to waste time and money filing reports to the IRS) its citizens who live and work abroad tells you all you need to know about how idiotic that law is. In regards to Japanese citizenship, if I liked living in Japan and planned to settle there permanently, I would have no trouble renouncing Croatian citizenship to gain Japanese citizenship, but it is my understanding that even though technically you are supposed to renounce your original citizenship upon gaining Japanese citizenship, the "renunciation" is a verbal one in front of Japanese officials, which means nothing to the USA, i.e. the USA doesn't revoke your citizenship for it, and to my knowledge there is no requirement to ever bring to Japanese officials documents that prove that you have renounced your original citizenship, which means that as long as you enter and exit Japan on your Japanese passport and aren't stupid and/or crazy enough to actually report yourself directly or indirectly (like going on TV and saying: "Hey everyone, I am a dual citizen of Japan and the USA!") to the Japanese authorities, you can keep your American citizenship, because the Japanese authorities just don't care enough about this issue to actually bother going around to check whether or not you ever actually renounced your original citizenship, a point which is made clear by the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of people living in Japan who have both Japanese and non-Japanese citizenship.

[@JK_JK_JK]

You are correct. It is not necessary to renounce/relinquish US nationality when becoming a naturalized Japanese national.

[@tooomsai3590]

悔いのない決断をしてください 応援しています 日本人より

[@michaelyosef3430]

You should seriously consider Singapore. It`s near to Vietnam with regular flights each day, works well for both of you. And your wife won`t be homesick. And best of all, Singapore is an English speaking country that respect and values multiculturalism. And you can get permanent residency is less than 5 years. Singapore, in general, does not discriminate PRs from citizens. PRs can get loans and buy even public properties. And Singapore passport is stronger than Japanese. Those on Japanese passports have to pay a toll tax when entering say, Indonesia. A family friend was locked out from entering Japan when he was a PR for 13 years in Japan. His wife was Japanese and he had 2 children who are Japanese citizens. He was told to take the flight home while immigration allowed his wife and kids into the country. He paid taxes for 13 years and this shows that Japan is still a close country even though it positions its image as being open to the world. They moved over to Singapore a year later. His wife did not say anything against the discrimination because unfortunately, the Japanese education system does not promote diversity, multiculturalism and critical thinking. So, his wife was fine by the whole affair. Your decision to leave is wisdom.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Hopefully we can visit one day to consider.

[@mizukachang9521]

Dual citizenship is allowed in Taiwan Have you considered coming here to live and more...

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Would love to, but the "freelance / digital nomad" visa is a bit out of reach.

[@mizukachang9521]

@@TwoWheelCruise I understand In this way, returning to the United States may be the best choice

[@pakelly99]

just to throw in my two cents, in taiwan dual citizenship, for all practical purposes, is unattainable unless one is already a taiwanese citizen say, and subsequently attaining a second citizenship from another country. On the other hand, by contrast with the situation as you describe it in your clip, permanent residence is much easier attained, requiring (currently*) five consecutive years of residence in taiwan. (*taiwan is in the process of reducing this requirement to three years). Achieving citizenship here is more onerous a task, given that, to return to the original point, as a foreigner seeking taiwanese citizenship, one is required to renounce one’s existing citizenship prior to being awarded taiwanese citizenship. There are exceptions, but they are exceedingly few and far between, typically 100 year old priests who’ve been recognised as making extraordinary contributions to the people of taiwan, by virtue of pastoral work etc. All TTBOMK I should add, I cannot foresee it being an inordinate challenge to secure work in taiwan for either of you, with associated work visa, national health insurance etc.

[@marcomcdowell8861]

I miss family in the US, I miss the vastness to travel and the ability to get certain items, but I don't miss the rudeness and criminals lol. I'm definitely not giving up my citizenship though. Fortunately I work on one of the US bases here as a non GS and I have SOFA. I'm considered a local hire and can stay indef...until Uncle Sam says no mas and revokes my status.

[@ivanteo1973]

you are fortunate not to live in Singapore. there are zero place to travel.

[@shellyannegoh6054]

@@ivanteo1973 You can cycle to Malaysia and Indonesia since Malaysia is connected to Singapore by bridge and you can then cycle all the way to Thailand and Vietnam.

[@humantube6437]

nice channel name 👍

[@Seraphim_Belisarius]

I have always thought about that. So, what if you're a veteran, and you have your veteran benefits, I.e., disability, post 9/11 gi bill, and medical insurance? What happens to that if you become a citizen in Japan and have to revoke your American passport? I was thinking about that, not for Japan, but Singapore. Singapore does not allow dual citizenship either.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

I would hope they have a way to deal with that, but possibly not. I guess it's pretty common in Asia to not allow dual citizenship :/

[@Seraphim_Belisarius]

@@TwoWheelCruise Yeah. I love Singapore and thought about living there on a permanent basis, but making me choose between the two is so infuriating. As you said, with covid, permanent residency has no value, essentially.

[@mancello]

As crazy as the U.S. is sometimes there are many reasons why so many people want to live here. I'm an American born and raised. Don't ever give up your U.S. citizenship.

[@aarong.859]

As an American, I believe that we are losing our freedoms little by little under the guise of security, People from third world countries would certainly agree with you. However, people from first world countries not so much. You see, most of us Americans think that our country is the be all and end all. The reality is that it has become less and less suitable to live in. As previously stated if I had the opportunity to move to another first world country and attain citizenship I would. America is not that special as people make it out to be.

[@theodorshittgen2300]

@@aarong.859 I am korean , And I will do anything If I get US citizenship. US is Still great country.

[@fcv1967]

@@aarong.859 I don't think the US has enough security. Too many people want "freedom". Which means freedom to not vaccinate and indirectly kill others.

[@aarong.859]

@@fcv1967 the U.S. has more than enough security. This includes the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, The Army, The Navy, The Coast Guard, the Space Force, Air Force, and the Marines. Not to mention the Police, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Sheriffs, Marshalls' departments. Security guards in every business establishment. Furthermore, normal citizens as neighborhood watchers and gun-loving people. Now, this is only covering people. How about all the technology based on security such as a finger, eye, body scans, and voice recognition software. To social media, email, and other technology to spy on its citizens? If this is not security then I don't know what it is.

[@cycleshikoku5094]

I like your videos. I was not aware there was and option where you could apply for citizenship with just six years here?

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Yes, it's not too difficult.

[@bubbaloop574]

Wow, where are you at man? I am a Japanese descendant, and I could get the residence visa in only 5 years of being in Japan, but I do not find Japanese people that friendly. Is it perhaps because I live in Saitama and you live in the country side or Kansai?

[@rskbug]

Hi. Which camera did you use to film the ride?

[@TwoWheelCruise]

It's in the description

[@thecrazyToolfan]

What's Thoung's channel?

[@daveadriffield7296]

I've heard it's easier to get citizenship if you look Japanese?

[@kdum8]

don't think that's true...

[@Common_Manithan]

HI bro, I'm big fan of ur videos. May I know what mic you r using to sync with Insta X2 videos? Tq

[@TwoWheelCruise]

It's in the video description ;)

[@janaramirlan568]

Hey! Great format of the video! So you guys can apply for Japanese citizenship anytime right now? For example in any other countries to get the citizenship you need to get permanent residence permit for about 3-5 years. So for Japanese citizenship, you just need to work for 5 years on temporary residence permit and you can get it? Would be great if someone could confirm this

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Yes and no. You need to have enough income, have a clean record, and have a stable job. If you changed jobs recently, you'll have to wait longer to apply to prove "stability"

[@JK_JK_JK]

It is not necessary to first obtain permanent residence to apply for naturalization in Japan. Five years of working in Japan is sufficient to apply.

[@AshrakAhmed]

I wonder how they will handle my case file if I want to become Japanese Citizen? I already have dual citizenship so I can apply with one passport and give up on that citizenship but still have one more backup lol Also my other country allows to reverse the citizenship renouncement once so I can always reapply to have citizenship back (with some hassle).

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Officially you would need to give up all other citizenships. That's good if you can get them back without too much hassle though.

[@francesccoart2222]

Do you both like videogames or it's not something you like? I'm curious, because there's some games set in japan, like Yakuza franchise, and I was really curious if you played it and how it compare to real life japan!

[@Rcck.7282]

just search about modern yakuza and kabukichou

[@TwoWheelCruise]

We like games, but don't play much due to lack of time. Never played those though.

[@Quarky_]

I would say don't choose the safe option, go for Vietnam, opportunity always comes with a bit of risk, just make sure you have a plan b, c, d, and so on ... What you said about, contributing to the growth of cycling in Vietnam, is probably one of the most impactful opportunity you'll have. Also as a selfish viewer, it'll be another new culture I can explore through your eyes, and Thuongs local expertise ;)

[@TwoWheelCruise]

That's the plan still :)

[@Quarky_]

@@TwoWheelCruise good luck! Rooting for both of you :-) I am also wondering what it would feel like for you personally, being an American in Vietnam, given the political history.

[@japan-traveler]

Tech question, what is your insta360 onex2 setting? mine is very pixelated even though I am doing 5k.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Wider is better, narrow loses quality quickly

[@Rturbo_]

Im going for PR. My wife is japanese and they only require 3 years married, 1 year living in japan, and on a 3+ year spouse visa.

[@tokyosaitama2877]

You don't need to make that decision now. You guys are young and Japan "may" change its laws regarding dual citizenship in say 10 years, the public debate has started. Japan is becoming a minority for refusing dual citizenship, it's robbing the country of highly skilled people. Also many of its citizens (including me) are living for decades abroad, it's kinda strange that the moment I gain a foreign citizenship I lose my Japanese one, I'll be a tourist in my birth country.

[@davidbrink3328]

I think that’s great i live in NY State and the USA isn’t getting any better there is too much stress strife and unrest and it’s only getting worse just look at the News

[@carefulconsumer8682]

Growth in Vietnam is exploding. Even their medical and dental tourism industry is growing so fast it will soon compete with Thailand which attracts alot of foreigners for their medical and dental care. But many other opportunities are there. Vietnam is where China was 20 years ago. It's too bad some of these countries do not allow dual citizenship. I know USA does because some neighbors have Israel + USA citizenship. Too bad japan does not.

[@cjohnson3836]

Median housing prices in the US have increased 20%. Unless you're sitting on half a mil $, good luck ever owning a home. No health care, no time off. People keep talking about Japanese work culture but at least they have benefits. Here we have to work 2-3 jobs just to not be homeless, forget benefits. There's a reason anyone with the means is leaving the US. Even with a graduate degree in STEM, and soon to be PhD, only way I'll ever be able to retire is to work in an economy like Japan or US to pay my student debt, putting me years behind because this idiotic country refuses to support it's citizens like actual civilized nations do, and save up just enough to hopefully retire in a country like Vietnam or Thailand. US is hot garbage.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

I'm hoping the housing market cools off soon, things are getting crazy. I'm having panic attacks just looking at rent rates #vanlife

[@paynalward6921]

@@TwoWheelCruise Vanlife in the U.S. actually is a blast with bikes-you can explore the rails-to-trails, great bike events and participate in them....gravel rides....note I didn't mention road rides. They have become just too dangerous here. And right now is not a good time to settle down in a big city...anti-asian attacks are increasing, political polarization...crime increasing, mass shootings, huge homeless population here in California....this has become a pretty crazy place..lot of anger and hostility. Van living can avoid much of that and a campers interior really isn't that much smaller than a Japanese apartment (kind of kidding...) My suggestion: Dalat Vietnam....take a look at it and stay there until we get wise over here and make universal healthcare a right, not an expensive luxury.

[@eri7-11]

To get PR you have to have accepted job? Is KZbinr considered acceptable? I make enough $ on my YT channel but don’t I have to pay pension every month? My Japanese National hubby asked City Hall and they said no but I told him I cannot get PR if I don’t but he says forget it. I cannot speak Japanese enough to talk to the City Hall and being in a small city they don’t speak English. With the citizenship I don’t speak enough Japanese yet.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

If you're married to a Japanese citizen, you can get PR in 3 years.

[@davidking3699]

I'm sure you will make the decision that is best for both of you... US citizenship is still prized for citizens of many other countries... I'm curious, but can foreigners own businesses in Japan and have a special visa?... you could start your own side hustle business (on-line language lessons or such (maybe employ a local to do the websites or admin), still be a US citizen, but be able to stay / come & go from Japan, and own property etc... I want to mention another point though... I think your wife's saddle is too high... her hips are rocking side to side as she pedals... that is not ideal... try dropping it a centimetre or two, or get a bike fitting for her... it will be more efficient and help to avoid long term issues with hips, knees etc...

[@secretariat-13]

It’s a tough decision, I have grown to love Japan through yours and Thoungs walking videos, I’d love to live there myself but giving up my American citizenship would not be an option for me, I’m from Central America and been living in Los Angeles since I was 7, I’m much older now, giving up my birth citizenship was a no brainer for myself and my parents, US citizenship is the strongest in the world and I can travel pretty much anywhere I choose; my advice to you, never give up your US passport, in the near future your wife can secure an American residence card And eventually become a US citizenship herself if that her choice, you will still be able to travel to your beloved Japan as you wish and also Vietnam, either way, I’m here to support both your channels regardless. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us. Best wishes.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thank you! Exactly, a US passport for Thuong would allow us to travel together in the future, so we won't have this problem again.

[@brucewayne3141]

Is Tuong getting an American citizenship since she's married to you? It should be fairly easy for her right?

[@TwoWheelCruise]

No, we would have to move to the US and it would be a year long procedure to even get her there, then citizenship 3 years after that.

[@ivanteo1973]

isnt taking up a citizenship a commitment to permanently reside in a country? there are many country that do not accept dual citizenship. Singapore is one of them

[@TwoWheelCruise]

No, many countries that allow dual citizenships do not require you to permanently live there.

[@alphaomi8961]

will japan knows if you have 5 passports?

[@Mkungaa]

The main advantage of citizenship is a right of abode. You have a right to come and live in Japan no matter what have you done(even if you are a fleeing politician like Fujimori) or what is happening in the world - pandemic, war, etc. Covid-19 showed us that PR does not give you the right to live in Japan, just long-term permission, which can be withdrawn at any time.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Covid-19 taught us just how fragile permanent residency is 😢

[@dannygayler90]

Something Neither of You 2 thought about , if Thuong gets Pregnant and the baby is born in Japan , ( not Vietnam of U S A ) , does it automatically become a Japanese Citizen and would this change Yours and Thuongs status in Japan ; Alternatively if Thuong had her child in Vietnam or U S A what would happen then ? My parents brought me back to Australia in 1950 , ( Mom was Australian , Dad was English ) then in 1992 whilst coming back from Poland I was stopped by Customs People and told to either get Naturalised or get deported back to England ( the Country of my birth ), I gave up my English Passport and got Naturalised as an Australian citizen , I have no regrets , and I'll never go back to U K as my English Relatives gave up on me reason ( Racism , my Mom was an Aboriginal person , and was scorned by English Family and relatives ) ! To sum up , Stay where You both are most comfortable and enjoy Your lives naturally ! Footnote : When my Polish Fiancé came here to Australia she was warmly welcomed until , Members ( and indeed ) , close relatives were told she and i were going to marry , the situation changed dramatically up to the point where I was told by one of my closest relatives, "Its either us or her" , I chose my wife and gave all my racist family the, "FLICK", never to seen or heard from ever again ! And we're still together after almost 28 yrs !

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Sadly Japan does not grant citizenship by birth.

[@dannygayler90]

@@TwoWheelCruise That's sad 😔

[@Inquiring]

Two Wheel Cruise However, the US does grant citizenship by birth, which should be a consideration.

[@michikoiesaka3365]

Did you consider that social security and higher interest rate returns on your savings and investment opportunities in retirement accounts is so much higher in the US. You will never come close to the American retirement if you go with the Japanese system.

[@wogahboy]

Please stay in Japan. I'm a cyclist and would love to live in Japan so I live vicariously through you guys.

[@JoelChu]

This issue is complex and I don’t think we can give that inputs for you guys cause it’s your life ….

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Yep, it's our decision to make :)

[@BasicBeachCommunity1]

If you had a work visa for Europe... your video opportunity would be AMAZING 🌋🌋🌋

[@SteinerNeoFaust]

こんばんは。お！猿投グリーンロード。すごい。ご夫婦で、どえらい体力と筋力がありますね。私も頑張ります。

[@TwoWheelCruise]

久しぶりの猿投グリーンロードと矢作川ライドでした　😅

[@AlexKeiko]

she can go to US,just need apply holiday visa,no?

[@TwoWheelCruise]

No, it's pretty much impossible. She has no assets of her own in Vietnam to "prove" she wouldn't run away and overstay her visa. The only option would be to apply for her green card, which is difficult since I haven't lived in the US for years myself.

[@rcmrcm3370]

@@TwoWheelCruise don't forget, between applying for the green card and getting permanent residents you were required to live in the United States pretty much permanently, which would also limit your options until she gained her citizenship.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Yep, it would be at least a 4 year commitment.

[@jafrytvasia9609]

Thanks for another relaxing video combined with useful information. Your videos have helped me through some (relatively) tough times, including tonight. I’d drop my MBA plans (and the hell it is doing to my stomach from stress) if Japan opened up for foreign workers again. Good luck on the big life decisions!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Thanks! It's been a stressful year for many so glad to help.

[@pgrande08]

My wife is from Hanoi and has lived in the US for about 8 years. She gift her masters in the US and works for a financial company and she doesn’t want to go back to Vietnam. I say try to stay in Japan because the quality of life in Vietnam is not there.

[@archieshimamura]

Permanent Residents can lose their status if they leave the country for 3 years or longer, and in the event of an extended absence, must obtain a re-entry permit.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Forgot about that point!

[@kdum8]

5 years or longer generally as long as you have received a re-entry permit.

[@jameswalker8300]

perm res is the way to go. I would rec that your wife gets citizenship.Then you get perm res because ur married her. Then both of you get perm res status in ur home counties Ie you in vietnam and her usa

[@TwoWheelCruise]

Would probably do that if we could, but she's not eligible since she's a dependent

[@aarong.859]

Well, consider this. Japan is a better country than the U.S. and definitely better than Vietnam. Sure you will miss family members but you both need to think of your future. Like every country, I am sure Japan has its own problems. However, Japan seems to be a country in which it is more organized, safer, and beautiful. The U.S. is headed towards a downward spiral in which people are becoming less and less tolerant of everything. Vietnam is a communist country and it really does not provide the freedoms that Japan or the U.S. do. I've visited Japan in 2018 and If I had the opportunity to permanently live in Japan, I would definitely relinquish my U.S. passport and get Japanese Citizenship. From an American to another I hope the OP does not take this personally as it is just my opinion. Overall, though your content is beautiful and great keep up the excellent work.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

It is really tempting. The safety and organization of Japan is unmatched.

[@kevingary7018]

The food is nice and spicy in Vietnam.

[@margaretnicholdesign]

I think Japan needs to open itself up more to immigration, for the reasons you listed at the end of the video. The population is aging and in decline, birth rates are low... Either the country needs to create stronger incentives for their current population to procreate or they need to build their population through other means.

[@jazzechos1372]

Thoung must be more Aero than you. On that downhill she was dropping you, without peddling, fairly quickly. I was going talk about the physics of gravity buuut that would have resulted in a short life span.

[@TwoWheelCruise]

She's a beast on the downhills haha.

[@TheDishyGirl]

Thanks for sharing this video. It was very informative and answered many of my questions about your life in Japan. I won't venture to "vote" on what you and your wife should do because there is no simple solution.

[@ghazikerkeni7031]

are you gys riding on highway? i saw etc it's illegal

[@TwoWheelCruise]

We switched to the sidewalk before the highway started.

[@12823matthewkao]

man I know you're in SEA right now, I was rewatching this video and still feel you should not have left Japan. Technically, you can still become a citizen of the United States if your parents are still citizens, but what's the point? The United States is probably not as good as you think right now. You should come back and visit your family for a couple months and see the situation with your own eyes. Yes we have great salaries but a great chunk of those goes into gas, insurance, high rent/house price , and not to mention the inflation is insane!

[@TwoWheelCruise]

We may still go back to Japan, but we would like to at least visit the US together once before making a decision.

[@betweenyouandme]

i love Japan and South Korea!