Jaron Lanier: Virtual Reality, Social Media & the Future of Humans and AI | Lex Fridman Podcast

Jaron Lanier is a computer scientist, composer, artist, author, and founder of the field of virtual reality. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:39 - What is reality?
5:52 - Turing machines
7:10 - Simulating our universe
13:25 - Video games and other immersive experiences
17:12 - Death and consciousness
25:43 - Designing human-centric AI
27:17 - Empathy with robots
31:09 - Social media incentives
43:29 - Data dignity
51:01 - Jack Dorsey and Twitter
1:02:46 - Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies
1:07:26 - Government overreach and freedom
1:17:41 - GitHub and TikTok
1:19:51 - The Autodidactic Universe
1:24:42 - Humans and the mystery of music
1:30:53 - Defining moments
1:41:39 - Mortality
1:43:31 - The meaning of life
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Skiff: skiff.org/lex to get early access - Novo: banknovo.com/lex - Onnit: lexfridman.com/onnit to get up to 10% off - Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit - Eight Sleep: www.eightsleep.com/lex and use code LEX to get special savings 1:39 - What is reality? 5:52 - Turing machines 7:10 - Simulating our universe 13:25 - Video games and other immersive experiences 17:12 - Death and consciousness 25:43 - Designing human-centric AI 27:17 - Empathy with robots 31:09 - Social media incentives 43:29 - Data dignity 51:01 - Jack Dorsey and Twitter 1:02:46 - Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies 1:07:26 - Government overreach and freedom 1:17:41 - GitHub and TikTok 1:19:51 - The Autodidactic Universe 1:24:42 - Humans and the mystery of music 1:30:53 - Defining moments 1:41:39 - Mortality 1:43:31 - The meaning of life

[@thejoelrooganexplosion2400]

Boom

[@BRANDMAW]

Hurray

[@SpareKingdom]

Thank you, Lex.

[@ejenkins4711]

Lex have you ever considered who you could be?

[@ejenkins4711]

Sounds like suma pre established harmony from down below the karma tree part of it s a wave from 2c

[@JungleScene]

I deleted my social media accounts because of Jarons warnings. that was four years ago and it was the best thing I ever did for my mental health.

[@joshjoshjoshjoshjoshjoshj]

KZbin is social media

[@lucagiordano7842]

@@joshjoshjoshjoshjoshjoshjits not at all

[@HeelPower200]

​@@lucagiordano7842 Its advertisement and algorithm driven as the other platforms as well

[@joshjoshjoshjoshjoshjoshj]

@@lucagiordano7842 but look at us being social, over this media platform

[@def0rm0]

​@@lucagiordano7842it wasn't but lately, the shorts are taking over, the algorithm is catered to mindless videos unless you start watching about subjects you are interested in. Recommended videos work from there. But their homepage is definitely changing. And the forced ads (as blocker going against their "rules" now)... It isn't like social media 100% but it's changed a lot.

[@ShanePullen]

There's humanity, empathy & compassion when Jaron talks, glad he's around

[@ShanePullen]

@@user-bx6dl7sq4o That sounds like a line I'd use in a club : ) Is that the real Lex or a fakeboy?

[@taylorc2542]

He's pro censorship.

[@ZeroStateReflex]

Have been watching his talks. I felt the exact same way. He’s rooted in humanity. Someone this smart is great for us.

[@tonytanner3048]

@@taylorc2542 Ah continue to see the world as binaries you can create divide. Everyone is pro censorship to some extent and it is a spectrum and where censorship is necessary.

[@mizpappas]

I wish I had an Uncle Jaron 🙂 the wise but fun one

[@antonzadorozhniy6605]

Big fan of Jaron, great conversation. We need more people like him to counterbalance techbros.

[@lorrainegatanianhits8331]

totally...

[@brentberry5218]

And we need more people like us to help empower people like him by spreading the wisdom.

[@Alic4444]

It basically happens anytime in history there's an incredible explosion of technology and wealth. People get so drunk on it that the philosophers become incredible optimists backed by the wealth and power being created (and usually the state which is dependent on that wealth). We start hearing "the best of all possible worlds" levels of optimism. Jaron is on the right side of history in trying to refocus on the simple, knowable truths.

[@Bill-ou7zp]

@@randymulder9105 Cough cough Elon Musk

[@betoprocopio]

100% what a great guy

[@realdeal139]

Jaron needs his own podcast.

[@artandculture5262]

Like a step down?

[@Slyflea007]

Agree. Far more intelligent and interesting than Lex

[@JungleScene]

"you cant both believe in the future and want to live forever, you have to make room for it" thats some shockingly big brain shit.

[@Diathon1]

Infinity is infinite. What are you going to make?

[@thesatisfiedcustomer4869]

@@Diathon1 nothing worse than facile comments like this from supercilious folk like you

[@laurensheppard5932]

humility

[@epwlod777]

Planks principle

[@FS-wd3hu]

Pls explain what it means

[@superobservation]

This was a phenomenal conversation... It's good to see Lex have his ideas challenged strongly, respectfully, and constructively. It's clear to see that Lex is getting his debate capabilities stretched and put under pressure by JL... and that's great because Lex is going to be much stronger for it.

[@timeDrapery]

My thoughts exactly, this was an excellent upload... Lex is maturing further and further as an interviewer and popularizer with each and every upload I watch

[@sleeplessdev7204]

I completely agree. Some of the ideas Lex frequently brings up strike me as a bit magical in nature, or not completely thought through. Whether or not he actually believes those things or just brings them up for the sake of engaging conversation, I don't know. Nonetheless it was intriguing to watch JL point out some of the flaws in those assertions.

[@brentulstad3275]

Agreed as well. I do at times feel that Lex is a bit out of touch and in such a bubble of interesting, smart, thoughtful, self reflective people and certain idealistic hopefulness and optimistic ambition can be dangerous. As if he has heard about the existence of simple minded & dare I say "prone to stupidity" people, but maybe has never actually met one. So many people are simply dull and unaware, having absolutely no interest or conception of most of these thoughts and ideas. When one has hopes of possibly affecting culture and the future in radical and unalterable ways with powerful technology, ya got to understand the mass of people who are inheriting this future world. Now I think maybe we are past a point of no return on this & so why not be optimistic.... ok I suppose. I'm sure there's a much better, more concise way of stating my thoughts and worries on this, but I'm hopeful that ya kinda get what I am saying here. I mean no unnecessary judgment or negative feedback here as I am absolutely a supportive & interested fan of Lex and his podcast, having so much love and respect for him. I just often sense that a major flaw or blindspot with much of the smart & ambitious intellectuals is not truly being aware of the massive amount of people who will likely never come near these nuanced ideas or intelligent types of thinking. It is difficult not to feel kind of pretentious, condescending or default to patterns of "elitist" thinking on this . . . but man it is just obvious. There are those who humbly thirst and search for knowledge, desiring to better themselves and like minded individuals, and there are those (majority?) who are proud of their ignorance, however unaware.

[@cf6713]

@@brentulstad3275 Lex operates on a principle that love is a the foundational presupposition of reality. Most if his conversations he begs people to challenge that foundation. So from his point of view even the “close minded” less intelligent people who don’t yearn for the truth in nuanced conversations yada yada what you said. Are standing on a foundation of love, same as you are. I prescribe to a similar understanding that has a big BUT in it. Which has helped me considerably in understanding. I could also be wrong about my assertion towards Lex here but that is my observation from considerable viewing.

[@z.bongerman1062]

There is a whole segment of men on the internet who are always looking for DEBATES. Unfortunately many of the debates on youtube are between two wrongheaded idiots. Jaron is certainly not one of these moronic debate bros, and can guarantee he was not on Lex's podcast to win some intellectual battle.

[@andresantonio2434]

“Kindness requires genius, and it’s hard” 1:34:15. Amazing quote! When this guy close his eyes while speaking, you must prepare for a great quote.

[@CraigTalbert]

Thank you for timestamping this, I was looking for it.

[@archertimecapsule]

Jaron is an amalgam of every engineer I've ever enjoyed working with.

[@rafalborkowski]

He's the Jesus of that community :D

[@fl0rinescu]

you're beating yourself up too much Lex, but it's also a way of staying in check. Awesome work as always.

[@nemooutis.]

Jaron has developed the most mocking laugh - akin to a Lear's fool. "I am a fool, thou art nothing." kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKmTeGl6fbKZjq8&ab_channel=LexFridman

[@themanhands5599]

I think he's focusing on the delivery out of a sense of duty as an interviewer. But he shouldn't worry so much; there is a very forgiving range of acceptable interview styles, and as long as the other person feels competent to answer the questions they are given, all is generally well.

[@500dollarjapanesetoaster8]

@30:00 when Lex posits an AI system that could bring humans closer together...gads, go watch people who actually are together and don't spend their time on social media (could be Amish, Chassidim, or other groups who live apart from technology). The more natural pace of life--without electronic overstimulation-- leaves one with a calm ability to be in communication. I don't think AI will do anything except echo the algorithm.

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

@@500dollarjapanesetoaster8 AI is fundamentally a lie. Thats what jarron is saying. Hes saying "lex youre either lying to yourself or making an excuse to lie to your viewers" AI isnt a being learning and growing that will one day be smarter than us. Its literally targeted algorithms that are just learning to manipulate your mind to buy a product. (Or view a product for a certain amount of time) Its stealing your life for the monetary gain of people who care not about your suicidal thoughts or wasted life. But only about their porche. Lex is an imbecile or hes a liar.

[@haxstir]

@@500dollarjapanesetoaster8 that's the result of people who depend on patterns and numbers as their main means of living and thinking. A very high amount of people in Silicon Valley are on the spectrum and it's natural that they think like that but it needs to be balanced.

[@green_monday]

Love Jaron so much -- what a treat to listen to these 2 on a day off . . .

[@thundahun]

you probably work too much Lady

[@ferencszabo3504]

@@thundahun You say She cannot cook and listen to the braniacs in the time 😁?

[@thundahun]

@@ferencszabo3504 no, i just meant she needs to get out more

[@itsgottob1207]

It's a whole snack not just a treat

[@keanen125]

@@itsgottob1207

[@PMFtheman]

Jaron is brilliant. This was exhilarating. Thanks, Lex. This is becoming one of the best podcasts going.

[@qunningStunts]

"You have to learn your own lessons and lessons don't come easily and a world which avoids hard lessons, will be a stupid world." I don't know if the message or how he just off-the-cuff put that sentence together, is more impressive.

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

Listen. I mean truly listen to me. He is one of the founding fathers of this thing that is the algorithms and the total collapse of everyones mental health. Yet hes not a user of the product. That should not make you ponder it should make you act. But you wont. He can contemplate these (realistically simple concepts) because he isnt being poisoned by his own product. Hes just enjoying the selfish greed at the top. He knows what hes doing is wrong. Yet he still does it. Take his analogy about the illegal aliens trimming the trees. He says something that shows his deep incompetence. He says "climate change will eventually burn all of our homes on the hill. A risk that wasnt ever there before." He then says " the energy company will most likely, or hopefully do better" Hes talking about a corporation called PG&E. Following me? Are you familiar? Hes making an excuse and coming to a conclusion (with evidence against that conclusion) for a corporation that has been responsible for burning over 100 people alive and entire towns. See he has no idea what being close to these people that died. Living in a town very close to that company's negligent murder of over 100 people and continuing to rack up bodies every summer with more and more fires caused by that company. If you have heard of gavin newsome. There was a scandal you may have heard of. The "french laundry" incident. The news will tell you that gavin newsome was caught at a very expensive dinner while imposing extreme tyranny on the people of california including mask mandates. And closing down, in most cases forever. Peoples restaurants and entire lively hood. But hes at a restaurant without a mask that he has allowed to be open. While that is true and a problem. It was the distraction. He was there with THE, not A but THE PG&E lobbyist that also contributed millions of dollars to gavins wifes 501c3 non profit. This was right after PG&E burned down the town of paradise and 87 people alive. Right after this dinner. PG&E was put on probation (because a corporation can be classified as a person now). Thats right the corporation was on felony probation. So someone must have gone to prison or been fired? No. Not one person. Only the corporation. Gavin soon after canceled the probation and let the corporation off without so much as a slap on the wrist. Subsequently PG&E contributes 10 million dollars to gavins campaign for the recall. Gavin won. So whats the point of all of this? Jarron lives in california. He chalks these fires up to climate change rather than liberal ignorant evil like him that made ot illegal to clear the forest dead fall or have controlled burns that prevent these massive fires. Hes chalking this all up to climate change and illegal immigrants keeping him safe. In conclusion. If hes ignorant of things that are happening in the state he lives. Things you dont have to dig to find. Hes also ignorant in his product. He seems smart. Those are always the most dangerously incompetent or malevolent people in our society. Hes a snake in the grass that is trying to get you to just eat the apple.

[@qunningStunts]

@@krotchlickmeugh627 I definitely read that in Alex Jones' voice

[@TimiTamminen]

😂☠️ *Jarod Lanier is turning the freaking humans gay*

[@marcus268]

@@krotchlickmeugh627 truth, but everything has two sides.

[@solomonfinite]

This discussion just starts off as straight fire, I’m not even 20 minutes in!

[@MrTweaksTV]

10 mins in ....just scrolling and expecting This

[@sreekarnim163]

Lex picked this up from Joe Rogan

[@hellofriend8446]

Wow! This is next level. Jaron Lanier is an exceptionally smart, conscientious individual. Thumbs up for Jaron 👍

[@chericercone2362]

Jaron is such a kind and relentlessly "human" person. I look to him in these times, as a guide.

[@TriggerIreland]

Just looked at this interview, having only listened to it first time; and see how much Lanier closes his eyes while talking here, travelling in new thought space rather than rehashing previously answered questions. What a virtuoso interview, a pleasure to see, thank you.

[@JackyRogue]

This is the one, his book about leaving social media was excellent

[@ejenkins4711]

Indeed datsda craic he reminds me of yoda and lex a jung Darth Vader of anakins core

[@Ryan-nn1kl]

But did Ou leave social media

[@95ern]

What’s the book?

[@JackyRogue]

@@Ryan-nn1kl This is social media

[@JackyRogue]

@@Bronco541 Yet here you are! Similar to saying you don't do drugs, only alcohol and caffeine and maybe some pills ever now and then

[@Magabes_]

Good speech at the beginning Lex, that was quite heart-warming. Thank you.

[@benjaminfrances]

first thing I did after the intro was look for a comment with the same thought I had, only had to look at 2 comments to find yours :)

[@lj7169]

Sounded quite egocentric to me. Lol

[@bdo7915]

@@lj7169 yeah, i thought it was kind the emperor with no clothes. U lose credibility by pointing out u are being the bigger person in an argument. By stating "u might perceive me as weak but im strong." U r proving the opposite. I luv Lex though. Just too hard on himself like the best of us.

[@blakeada999]

@@bdo7915 there is a subtle distinction but difference between saying “what I did was strong” and “I am strong”. We can judge things and actions better than we judge people (have potential to make choices we can’t anticipate-baked in)

[@lj7169]

@@bdo7915 yeah, I love him. He's cool. Just not feeling the pre-discussion statement. Pretty sure his guest would have thought it was a bit rude too. Made him look pretentious.

[@mcscronson]

I love Jaron! His laugh at 23 minutes had me spontaneously belly laughing along with him, he's so effusive and real in himself. I feel an intellectual kinship with him too, he's grounded in a way that comes from experience; I can see how he finds himself at an impasse with futurists and technoevangelists in a way that makes his point of view inscrutable to them.

[@dantraficonte8752]

Jaron is a breath of fresh air

[@117Industries]

I adore this man. I can barely describe how much and deeply I love him, haha. Glad you feel the same!

[@thanegrooms]

Lex, Your channel is a sort of virtual reality. You give us the feeling of getting to know you and your guests... which gives an escape to an intelligent group of friends. Then, we go back to reality where we have unrealistic expectations of our real friends ;-)

[@BHBalast]

Just do the unofficial discord channel :)

[@_ZUNG_]

@@benpetrone5 the thing is; many of us are heavy listeners. If you're happy for me to come along to listen and absorb the thoughts of the community then count me in!

[@antcastle8365]

This is a fantastic comment

[@caesaraugustus8281]

LOL well said!

[@rubynibs]

@@_ZUNG_ Listeners are welcome among intelligent people.

[@rockistime1]

The best Lex Fridman episode I’ve seen. Jaron is an amazingly unique thinker and Lex is much more open and interactive in this conversation. Strange that he apologized before the podcast began.

[@scottwhite8960]

He was apologising to the bitcoin maxis for the section on cryptocurrency

[@austinricky]

I too am stoked this guy is on the podcast. His quote “critics are eternal optimists” said in the social dilemma truly inspired me.

[@b_i_l_l_w_i_l_l_i_a_m_s_o_n]

I find them to be more eternal cynics

[@austinricky]

@@b_i_l_l_w_i_l_l_i_a_m_s_o_n maybe eternal cynics but optimists in this world imo

[@b_i_l_l_w_i_l_l_i_a_m_s_o_n]

@@austinricky they are a necessary evil

[@wholeness]

When we begin finding the access and exploration of the dream world that’s when real progress will begin.

[@riveteye93]

We already did, friend. But its not a thing for everyone.

[@troy8423]

You need better sleep if you feel you don’t have exploration of dreams

[@cxldbleach5213]

Chill bruh, dreaming ain't that deep.

[@TheGunmanChannel]

This guy's laugh is hilarious.

[@robbiesharp311]

What about his frames?

[@nightcall7398]

Agreed its like the wiseman's laugh in a movie or the the laugh of the old martial arts master. Haha.

[@drunkensailor112]

19:48 out of nowhere. Lol And 23:04 again. His laugh totally doesn't fit his character and way of speaking. It's hysterical.

[@omeritachiquita]

🤗

[@LiborTinka]

it was relieving because this is a first person having a same kind of stupid laughter as me

[@bubba132]

Love seeing these expert interviews. They might not get 1m views, but entertainment value is different than real value. Keep it up, Lex.

[@japstyle2652]

Vast majority of the people just can't watch these type of videos or at least not entirely. Then most oftenly use words like " borring, too long, not enough time ". These are, in my opinion, justifications to convince themselves. I have yet to find the real reason behind it. For my part, i am here, in my car, parked in front of my house since 30 min without even realising that much time has passed. I wish that, one day, videos like this one are the ones with 1m views but i guess im dreaming. Enough said .. let's go watch some cats getting scared of cucumbers now !

[@pretentioussystem9367]

250k views is also not bad. ;) For me it is quite heart warming as I watch many talks and lectures where not even 100 people stopped by. ... I hope the 250k do not include too many bots. Maybe one day Lex gives us a breakdown of his stats. I wonder how high the number of views is that watch the episodes in full. Have a good time!

[@clarkpalace]

300,400 views. Sept 27, 2021. I want more. This is the latest JL interview. I think once you find out agout JL you should be interested. I excuse young people who cant deal with the time required but folks my age, 61, have no excuse. Do the effing dishes or some renos with this in the background. I do think so many peoples lives are so emotionally chaotic they cant be bothered to stop the noise and choose a long format video

[@krillnukem892]

well said Bubba!!! 😍

[@krillnukem892]

@@japstyle2652 beautifully said! Go you. 😍

[@billschwandt1]

Lex, THANK YOU SO MUCH for putting some content out today no one else is

[@JamesPrestonza]

This is one of the best podcasts I have ever listened to.

[@RodrigueTusse]

This was an amazing conversation. I loved the way Jaron bursts into laughs really in addition to all the fascinating topics discussed

[@Maya-xs9xn]

Exactly, I love his genuine personality. A humanist from any side, beautiful advice to young people. “ To be effectively kind its hard” . More tech guys like him with a heart and a soul. Saludos

[@thomasworden4139]

This is so awesome, I've hoped Jaron and Lex would sit down and talk for a long time.

[@diogosoares1309]

Maybe Jaron can invite Lex over his house. They deserve some relaxation to intermediate such intense conversations.

[@bruckfikru6579]

The problem I have with these framings of computation as these ultimate cosmic questions is that it has a way of getting people to pretend they know more than they do. ☀️ -JL

[@boredagain1]

You are easily one of my favorite people on KZbin Lex! Thank you for the free education and the added bonus of inspiration! One of the biggest things that stands out to me is the fact that you're here to learn as well (and maybe your AI), and in the process also helping to enlighten your audience.

[@Maya-xs9xn]

Love the man, his genuine laugh and personality. Beautiful interview as well as good advice to younger generations.

[@carlescude2652]

Thanks man I really appreciate the dedication you put in these videos. Your a huge inspiration. Keep doing you Lex 👊

[@ctx4241]

I was about say that Lex is interrupting guest a lot, then I realized how deeply invested he is in topic of AI 🤣

[@billydiaz7280]

As an uneducated 39 year old house wife (from the great uninterviewed demographic and society's safety net) , I LOVE Jaron

[@ScoutGrey]

You are brilliant!

[@osean333]

I could listen to the two of you converse for days! Super interesting thanks!

[@_xentropy]

More quality content from Lex. Thanks for prying the best conversations out of your guests in the most polite way possible. This is why we love you.

[@dilloncurrier]

love the pictures showing what the person is referencing. for us that know very little about what some of these people are talking about, it helps. time stamps are also great. great job Lex

[@jujijiju6929]

There's a lot of people in the Tech sphere who're considered Geniuses and Visionaries, but this guy is a stand out even in that group. He has very original takes that I haven't heard anywhere else.

[@davidwise6867]

I love listening to these episodes while getting ready for bed, no distractions, my full attention is given and it gives me great peace of mind knowing that intelligent conversation can still occur in 2021!

[@LukeVilent]

Since the start or covid, i moved to homeoffice and started to prepare my own food. That's when I listen to those podcasts.

[@samuelvilz]

10 minutes in, this is already one of the most interesting and profound-seeming conversations in a while

[@zachscott4867]

This was so needed, I’m going to have to listen to it again and digest accordingly. Too deep to grasp all of the dialogue the first time through. Lex, you have a great way of letting your guests shine and extracting the right amount of personality from them, keep it up!

[@quixotica726]

Best lex podcast for me so far! My arms broke out in goosebumps a few times!

[@amiparkerson337]

I love this guy! Extraordinary talk! I admire and respect your heart-full approach, Lex.

[@nahreallytho6583]

From the bottom of my heart, and so many others I am sure. Thank you so much for the content you put out! This is 10/10. So many idols and heroes to so many people, sat sharing a conversation with our very own Lex! 1 in a million!

[@TrueNeutralEvGenius]

This is one of the greatest introduction speeches I've ever heard. Hats off to you, Alexei.

[@JesseNickelltheFourth]

This seemed like the most heart warming, heart touching and mind bending conversation yet. By far my favorite of all the episodes which I've listened to thus far. Thanks Lex!!

[@mystijkissler8183]

Jaron is a safety light in the storm; keeping it real through data dignity along with AI future.

[@Zoronoa01]

I love the fact that Jaron laughs genuinely!

[@sugarmiesje]

He may be one of the most sagacious people I've encountered on KZbin. A deep, systems thinker. Thanks for sharing this!

[@milannovotny6575]

Came here with respect for Jaron Lanier. Leaving with complete admiration for Jaron Lanier. What an amazing human being.

[@whalefuhk]

Jaron is incredibly interesting and enlightening. He’s so fascinating and down to earth. I love how he simplifies things

[@nickkatz8369]

i love Jaron's laugh, so hearty

[@therearetoomanytomatoes]

This was awesome! Think I'll start over and watch it to the end again.

[@AdrianBlakey]

Lex - no need to apologize - you are doing a great job and it's well appreciated. Just keep it up and watch your own interviews to improve your technique.

[@idhunepijl2398]

Saw this guy for the first time over a decade ago in a Dutch tv program .Kind of 'out there' but a smart guy. Smarter than most :)

[@helendelia3140]

12:30min in and I'm loving this conversation

[@saltyzu8412]

Fantastic patience and so very generous with talking time. You are a great interviewer lex. I learn so much from these talks. You have changed my world for the better

[@Choooooooch]

I cant stress enough how important it is to listen to conversations like this and turn off mainstream news

[@anniemal9312]

This gentleman just blew my mind. Thank you.

[@HumanByProxy]

You talk quite well, Lex. Keep on keepin' on.

[@bingolio]

So far, the best!!! Honestly, the first podcast that I listened to every word, from beginning to end. Great job, Lex.

[@ryancier]

I love your intros at the start of your vids, Lex, where you're open about your objectives in your conversations.

[@ersbay5970]

Oh my God, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, and thank you so much, Lex. This interview is like a dream come true. A pioneer, a titan, an ingenious superstar guest on one of the greatest podcasts on the whole internet. God bless you, Lex Fridman! Love from Germany

[@Kobe29261]

Lanier is a master - you see this in every response; he's so first principles he first demands of a question that its assumptions pass the sniff test. He does it better than most subjects Lex has interviewed- a key characteristic of a first rate mind is the demand that an inquiry justifies its validity! Love this loads!

[@MrTweaksTV]

@@Kobe29261 absolute facts. It's incredible how much coherence his kind of thinking brings to the table .

[@Books_Makeup]

I hope Jaron comes back. I've been aware of Jaron's mind and work for a while now. It's also refreshing to see Lex remove his own ego from the picture when talking with people who operate and think differently. I appreciate that he does challenge them at times. That's what makes the podcast unique/stands out a little more to me.

[@BenfromFlux]

“Subservient to humans… or no, deeply respects human beings” Good catch Lex! Thank you for this, a great man to have on this podcast! Thank you for having people on that you have disagreements with!

[@katikat1063]

the way you do these conversations has been genius for a while. It never looks weak. love you bro

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

I love that you always ask them the meaning of life. You've gotten many insightful answers 🌺

[@OnePissedOffHippie]

What a great conversation with two awesome souls.

[@CRSutherland]

Dude! Since I started watching this podcast, I've always thought Jaron would be a great guest!

[@dzir]

I adore Jaron Lanier… every word he says or writes comes from a place of profound insight. I love the life affirming possible futures he describes. Thank you for this interview

[@artigraphmultimedia1489]

Thank you for this discussion. I'm in Jaron Lanier's camp, not that he has one, but his take on these matters resonates with me. And not just on the issues discussed here. A lot can be leaned by his(highly) informed, open and respectful approach. Both of you inhabit this well. Brilliant, ingesting, fascinating, cool...oh! And he played with Bob Dylan . Need a drummer Jaron? I'm in San Francisco! Thanks again . Be well.

[@Robobongo88]

Not started yet but this dude is a trip!!

[@billpartridge9380]

This guy was amazing in the Social Dilemma. I'm excited for this interview.

[@aVICTORYforLOSERS]

This was such a fascinating conversation to listen to. I've been a fan of Jaron since college and I was excited to see the two of you together. Great job, Lex! Keep up the awesome content.

[@annaczgli2983]

I don't always agree with him. But, I love his interviews. He challenges my assumptions, & is an incredibly original thinker.

[@henniannariina5877]

Jaron Lanier's laugh makes me laugh. 💛 also, "you seem to appreciate people" "ive grown fond of them, he-he-he" 😂 whenever he's laughing, i can't even think. I totally get Lanier with the whole experience thing and dodging Lex's question about why are we here haha.

[@gawapawa]

I love Jaron. He is a step ahead of all my assumptions and biases. GREAT Interview.

[@leon2385]

What a great conversation! I really appreciate, Lex & Jaron. Thank you both!

[@mermiez1]

Bro!! I remember listening to this guy for the very first time many years ago on a Ted Talks. I've never heard from him or of him again. Thank you very much for having this guy as a guest! Thank you!

[@MeetJarred]

This should be an interesting interview!

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Absolutely incredible guest. He always has thought-provoking points👍🏾

[@PhantomO01]

I kept trying to click off this interview/podcast to get back to work, but they just kept discussing more and more interesting topics. Great video fellas, you should do a part two.

[@UKLady]

I adore Jaron, thank you for having him as a guest! Even my less-academic friends recognised him, I was incredibly impressed. The conversation flows so well here, like you're old friends meeting for a beverage on a Sunday afternoon and catching up. I'd love to sit and chat with you both, you're definitely on my celebrity dinner guest list!

[@KevinSmith-gw5rk]

Thank you so much for having Jaron on. Such a unique and beautiful soul. Would love to hear a conversation between him and Daniel Schmachtenberger

[@user-yx6km4mw7s]

+❶❺❻❶❺❶⓿❶❷❻⓿**🇱🇷

[@user-yx6km4mw7s]

I love y'all Please send me direct a message now.

[@ScientiaFilms]

I've known about this guy, yet only now I learn of his genius

[@treysmith8811]

Lex, you needed this interview, it is a mirror of how extremely “Naive” you are. I’m not insulting you so please don’t take it that way but this fact kind of surprised me. Jaron is very wise!!!!!!

[@InternalStryke]

Oh I've been waiting for this one, I love listening to Jaron

[@bobobobee9708]

Never clicked so fast. Richard Stallman next, please.

[@thejoeypinz]

Bravo Lex. I really appreciate your preface to the interview where you describe your interview philiospy. I strive to reach those points. Great job.

[@taylornelson8926]

I have been waiting for this to happen for what seems like years! so pumped to see Jaron again!

[@bkinstler]

Jaron’s argument against placing AI inside the circle is not radical, and shares a lot in common with A.L. Kroeber’s paper on the Superorganic. AI i serves too well as a means of fetishizing / controlling existence, which is an escape, and definitely not a step toward understanding ourselves. The creative community and data unions seem to better promote self knowledge and autonomy.

[@liamchamba8114]

Lex your introduction was bang on. So authentic and honest 🙏

[@VanessaMoonveil]

One of the best discussions to date. Excellent arguments from both

[@pretentioussystem9367]

Brilliant! Thank you soooooo much Lex! )))) It is an honour to listen to your conversations. May good fortunes never part your ways!

[@cadenhaley6440]

Holy shit lex you do not disappoint with your guests!!! Ever!!!!

[@krisamagus1]

wow, what a guest! Why so short? Whyyyyyy? :)

[@diogosoares1309]

Loved this talk Lex! I thought it would have went more out of hand due to your intro but gladly this suspicion was not confirmed. I bet it is challenging to bring Jaron to a prepared script as I am convinced he can just show in the podcast and talk for 2h straight. Said this, I really want to congratulate you for leading the conversation and to be able to politely disagree in topics that you both carry such deep beliefs at the moment. I really enjoyed that you've explored Music even lightly and I would be delighted that you dive into that topic deeper in a future episode. Your work in Lex Fridman's podcast is astonishing!

[@jteds711]

Really appreciated with this one Lex. Enjoyed the back and forth and disagreements. More quality as always. Thank you ✌🏾

[@matweg666]

Holy shit Lex! Thanks!!