Sam Curran is a handy player |

[@ram5798]

Legend has it that whenever a player has been called bits and pieces, they go on to improve a lot.

[@tanupreet]

It only happens when sanjumanju calls you that

[@ram5798]

@@tanupreet both Shane Warne and Sanju Manju called sam Curran that

[@tanupreet]

@@ram5798 to the greatness and beyond then😂

[@poo-tinthedwarfbunkerb1tch535]

@@tanupreetwell he does have his fair share of limitations though, especially the pace at which he bowls, too slow to be effective outside england where the ball doesn't swing nearly as much ( barring nz). The ashes is a gonna be a huge challenge for him ( assuming it goes ahead per schedule). I do have a feeling that green will outperform him ,( atleast with the ball), considering he is taller, stronger and quicker through the air.

[@imsayyam]

@@poo-tinthedwarfbunkerb1tch535 he won't make the x1

[@smileyakhila]

Know you’ve touched on Imran’s batting being more on paper but to illustrate why Sobers is the goat - Between 1961 and 1968, over a period of 8 years, Sobers had 125 wickets at 27.9 bordering on 4 wpm (one of the top pacers in the world in a flat era) and was also easily the best batsman in the world averaging 63. He was a full time hazelwood level bowler and a Steve smith level batsman. Imran’s peak stats look prettier but Sobers had more utility in both disciplines at his peak. During that period he had 300+ runs and 20+ wickets in a series thrice in his career which nobody else has done and also a series with 700 runs and 20 wickets That is outside averaging 58 with the bat over 20+ years and being a handy part timer who could bowl both spin and pace outside his peak and being one of the best fielders in the world for the entire 2 decades. His bowling average suffers from the fact that he had an insanely long and productive career as a batsman while a standard world class career as a fast bowler of 8 years.

[@ibadrizvi5740]

I agree there isn't a comparison with the bat, but prime Imran is one of the all time greats with the ball.

[@smileyakhila]

@@ibadrizvi5740 agreed he’s a tad underrated as a pure bowler because of being the greatest bowling all rounder. He’s on the same level as the absolute best like McGrath and Marshall.

[@elicampbell-stokes1032]

Williamson just casually averaging ≈45 more than the next player vs left arm pace

[@mikespearwood3914]

Who are they though? NZ seems to play Bangladesh, Sri Lanka & Pakistan more than others.

[@dcbbot]

@@mikespearwood3914 In the last 4 years NZ has played England more than any other side and a very similar number of tests against the next 4 sides India, Australia, Pakistan, and the Windies? They've played two of the three sides in tests you've mentioned less than the 5 aforementioned sides. But never mind facts eh?

[@mikespearwood3914]

@@dcbbot Curran isn't a consistent selection, so them playing England more isn't really relevant here. Australia has only played three tests against NZ since 2016, so that's Starc he's faced, so one left armer. India doesn't feature any prominent left arm pace bowlers, so not relevant. So who are these left arm pacers that Williamson has compiled such a great record against???

[@krunalsamtani7653]

@@mikespearwood3914 so interesting...

[@DWeston]

He hasn’t played against boult(arguably the best left armer) in test matches(obviously). He faced starc in Australia a few years ago, but got out quickly to the right arm bowlers quickly so starc didn’t have a chance, shaheen at home(in the series where nz dominated with the bat), and against Sam Curran at home on flat pitches. Williamson vs shaheen in Pakistan would be an interesting battle to see, as well as Williamson vs boult in a first class match.

[@rhna8298]

Imran Khan is Great. He is for me top 3 greatest cricketers of all time when we look at the overall impact on cricket. He is one of the greatest players alone just on pure cricketing skills and statistics. Add to that his captaincy and leadership on and off the field and the amount of players he hand-picked and nurtured and made them world-beaters. And just the influence on people and the game itself. He was the first captain to advocate for and introduce neutral umpires. He made cricket the most dominant sports in South Asia decisively (before that it was 50-50 tied with hockey) with his popularity reaching everywhere even in India,Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

[@ayushmishraa]

2 Jarrod Kimber video essays in 2 days... What is it, Christmas?

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Crazy.

[@colinlittlewood9613]

Scurran is the ultimate version of the keen kid at every Cricket club.

[@rickyali1228]

From my observations and I'm no expert of course; however, Sam can bat, field and he bowls well (he can swing, and he is a thinker, he's left handed). What I love about Sam is that he works hard, he has heart, he is willing to work hard at his craft and he will get better providing he is willing to understand his weaknesses and works hard at getting better. Bottom line Sam made the England test team, that in itself speaks volumes, Sam I wish you the best of luck, I pray he continues to work hard and get better.

[@anbharadwaj]

Jarrod, you should do more on all rounders- was it really a huge anomaly to have Imran, Kapil Dev, Botham and Hadlee operating at the same time during the 80s...was it the golden age of all rounders?!

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Check out the Aussie all rounders vid.

[@shyyou93]

@@JarrodKimberYT you mention in this video that it is hard to measure how genuinely good all-rounders are...it would be great to see you take a crack!

[@PaulPower4]

The irony of Jarrod posting this on the morning of a match where there's a fair chance Curran is going to be dropped in favour of Chris Woakes...

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Why did you think I rushed it out

[@joebloggs6922]

@@JarrodKimberYT And now Woakes took 4 wickets and got a quick 50. So much better than Curran. Curran is bang out of form

[@christianfrost8660]

@@joebloggs6922 England should have dropped Craig Overton for Chris Woakes instead. Never drop a pace bowler on his home ground.

[@PABITRABADHUK]

Jarrod, can you please increase the label size on your graphs? If watched in phone, it really strains the eyes. Otherwise, great video as always.

[@joshforde698]

Last test of the 2019 Ashes England played Curran, Stokes and Woakes as all-rounders and won the game, Curran with three first innings wickets and scores of 17 & 15 at 7. Your point about needing Stokes and Ali in the team for him to be effective makes sense. Southampton 2018 is another good example of this: Stokes and Moeen in the team, scores of 78 & 46 for Curran at 8 and the wickets of Kohli and Ashwin.

[@thecasualleggie6503]

Those charts...turn me on.

[@Tom-eq7eh]

I think your point about how Bradman and Khan were 'worth 2 players' or how fans tend to get all rounders wrong with assuming anyone less than Botham is useless for a test side touches on a really interesting point; in cricket unlike sports such as baseball and basketball we really don't understand 'value'. It's often clear that a Curran esque 'bits and pieces' all rounder adds value beyond their seemingly sub standard averages*, but there's no statistical evidence backing up that assumption (alteast not publically). It would really fascinate me if one day someone could come up with a formula for 'on/off' or 'wins->replacement' in order to be portray cricket but until then we'll have to keep having these quite long winded debates with eachother about why picking a slightly below average 7 and a slightly below average 5th bowler can make your test significantly better. *arguably the first modern professional all rounder Wilf Rhodes ended up as a 'bits and pieces all rounder' after the war but repeatedly showed his ability to 'make things happen' plugging gaps where england where lacked wickets or runs just like curran often does

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Agree

[@krunalsamtani7653]

I want more Sam Curran like players just so jarrod makes a new video on them :)

[@bunui2985]

Admit it you just wanted to show how great a player imran was,

[@ericcartmansh]

oo two videos in 2 days! Metallic super powers in the arm?! Loved the graphics!

[@aryajpandey2156]

That’s why I was mad at Punjab when they released him in 2020. As he grows older, he will become a better batter and still be able to swing with the new ball. Not to mentions he is decently accurate.

[@JarrodKimberYT]

I’m not sure he is that accurate. He’s overpitches a lot. Though that might be something just in this series.

[@gaurav2322]

Bowling wise he looks very limited but he can surely develop into a no7 maybe no 6 in the future

[@JimmyCricket93]

Love that baseball gets a mention by a fellow cricket tragic, in some aspects, they are 10yrs ahead of cricket

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Took them 140 years to move the field where people hit it though. Check out my latest Red Inker podcast, it’s about baseball all rounders.

[@Kyle-mw3bo]

@@JarrodKimberYT like you said, it worked for Ted Williams and then went away for 40 years

[@bentomasic4453]

In lots of aspects though they're also struggling with the same issues as cricket (test cricket specifically). Declining youth interest due to long play times. Old strictures that curb the sport from modernizing.

[@shikhargovil9579]

at the moment england are not in a position to carry a player in their team because if they loose this series, then obviously it will be embarrasing for them and then silverwood might loose his job after ashes. also this does not change the fact that curran averages 49 with the ball in his last 7 matches. had he been maintainling that mid 30s avg then it was fine but his bowling stocks have crashed now and he must leave surrey for some other club which allows him to develop more.

[@christianfrost8660]

He hasn't played a red ball game for Surrey in years.

[@shikhargovil9579]

@@christianfrost8660 yeah, that's an issue.

[@christianfrost8660]

@@shikhargovil9579 Too busy with England and the IPL. He has to choose a format.

[@gambet0007]

Damn, that's impressive data analysis, you have a talent there.

[@m.areebashfaq701]

I lost my mind hearing about Imran Khan's average!

[@PRINCEKUMAR-kz8zm]

Jarrod please do a video on Indian fast bowling and cover Pankaj Singh, Khaleel Ahmed and Barindar Sran

[@vamsisuggu6083]

Sucks that Ohtani will never win a playoff game since he plays for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

[@peterturner7147]

Just a thought...would Curran's position on team England be better suited to a legit batter or bowler. Curran's potential for a meaningful contribution is small for either discipline.

[@JarrodKimberYT]

It’s best suited by someone who can bat. They need the help.

[@hadeed-_-5678]

considering all of these things, why wouldn't you just want a better version of curran in chris woakes?

[@krishaysrivastav6043]

Cris Woakes is right-handed, scores fewer runs than Curran.

[@hadeed-_-5678]

@@krishaysrivastav6043 woakesy has a higher batting average and a test match ton tho

[@JarrodKimberYT]

He’s right arm. But I have no problem with Woakes

[@RobinDBanks-re9nz]

Brummy Botham doesn't get the respect he deserves

[@christianfrost8660]

@@krishaysrivastav6043 I have always thought that Curran, Woakes, Broad & Anderson is the best four in England.

[@benudharmadhi4154]

Curran ability to change the match, makes him special

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

Didn't he bat a while at number 3 for Surrey in the Blast? Sort of like the role Willey plays at Yorkshire? I feel like he was fairly successful there - maybe he's just more suited up the order in T20s

[@shikhargovil9579]

because t20s do not test your technique completely compared to tests and they should not. in tests, the duke ball wobbling around at 90kmph just becomes a completely different game. curran has decent technique(better than someone named jason), and good hitting abilities which makes him a handy bet in t20s at any position.

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Yeah. This is test only.

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

@@JarrodKimberYT assumed so until you mentioned CSK

[@bobbythomas5357]

Curran given the right support can become the new imran Khan. After all even young imran didn’t think he could be imran . Definitely young enough to change the narrative.

[@rbsingh7906]

No

[@rbsingh7906]

Even being the next ben stokes will be an achievement 4 him

[@JarrodKimberYT]

No. He cannot.

[@roosterskipper5979]

No, Young Imran was very confident and an avid learner from the day he debuted, He always said that he believed in to be the greatest cricketer he could possibly be and so revamped his whole action mastered reverse swing and did all the hard yards

[@christianfrost8660]

Problem is nobody wants to invest in specialist swing bowlers any more. These days if you have the ability to swing the ball it's a bonus but if that's your main ability then forget it.

[@oliverqueen5883]

1:12 WE’RE DEAD LAST WITH 0 LADS! LET’S GO!

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Josh Little please save us

[@paulgill2042]

Steve O'keefe reckons he'd go alright in Manly 3s.

[@abhishekravichand2026]

Maybe Curran needs to do a Smith like pivot and just transform into a proper batter

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Smith was always a top order batter. Like Cameron white and Marcus snotty they were chosen as spinners because Australia had given up in front liners.

[@abhishekravichand2026]

@@JarrodKimberYT yep that's correct, I am just worried then Curran may fizzle out like Irfan Pathan, the only difference being Irfan was a better bowler in his first 3-4 years

[@golamrabbi9151]

As a Bangladeshi I would really loved if you talked about shakib

[@nishantjadhav346]

Random keeper 😂😂😂😂

[@engineerahmed7248]

g8 analysis ... but u got to do his stats for NZ & Eng conditions & play him there only

[@gjmac7247]

For random Wicketkeeper insert Ben Foakes and we are good to go.

[@theIvanhoez]

Curran should become a vernon philander style bowler , and needs first class match practice with the bat

[@JarrodKimberYT]

He’s nowhere near that accurate. One does simply not become a Vernon.

[@AaryanPrakash]

Personally, I think every team needs a all rounder like Ellyse Perry

[@remembertochangename3557]

sam curran is as big as my little finger but has more cricketing talent in his little finger than i have ever had in my body

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Your little finger seems huge

[@ekanthjp7805]

The graphs at 8:24 and 8:40 have innings and positions as labels but are plotting averages. Lots goin' on there and it's a bit confusing.

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Yes they do

[@bobbythomas5357]

Allan Mullally has since gone senile down under

[@jackevnorman]

The real question is what will Sam Curran be at 45?

[@anbharadwaj]

Maybe he can become another Steve Smith who started off as a leg spinning all rounder!

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Smith was a batter at every level of cricket who happened to bowl legspin too.

[@christianfrost8660]

@@JarrodKimberYT Actually he was just a bowler when he started. Didn't bat at all.

[@anujrawat8255]

Sam Curran is one player not many talk about but he has a huge potential. He can maybe replace the role of Ben Stokes in future.

[@AbdulSalam-du1yo]

Random keeper 😂😂

[@suhascadambi]

Jarrod, where did you get the tshirt?

[@ritwikghorui2731]

This makes me question why the hell is Mitchell Starc not an all time great. A 6 feet 5inch + bowler, who consistently bowls 140-150 and is left arm. Also he has got a good bat swing to smash the ball and in addition to it he is a great athlete. It just completely baffles me.

[@ritwikghorui2731]

And I'm not talking about ODIs here

[@ujjoinidhar]

I am not very happy as he did not get a chance in 4th test vs India

[@christianfrost8660]

On his home ground as well.

[@trs5127]

What the fuck was Kanos cooking back during the pandemic averaging 100+ against left arm pace?

[@akashv706]

Jarrod conveniently leaving out Woakes from English who potentially offers the same package :)

[@JarrodKimberYT]

I didn’t conveniently leave anyone out. It wasn’t a piece about him. It was about Curran.

[@akashv706]

@@JarrodKimberYT In all likelihood England will continue to pick Woakes over Curran if hes fit though

[@smtuladhar6286]

He reminds me of irfan pathan.

[@cannonfodder15]

Makes things happen

[@JarrodKimberYT]

All players make things happen

[@cannonfodder15]

@@JarrodKimberYT touché

[@rldement]

How many Curren's are there exactly, round figures?

[@christianfrost8660]

TC Ben Sam

[@purushswaminathan5693]

Where do you get those Curtly Tees?

[@JarrodKimberYT]

I got it years ago. Not sure where sorry

[@TheRooster94]

If it's not Curran, who is England's next left arm hope? Willey is a white ball specialist, Topley is frustratingly fragile, or should the ECB find a time machine and go back 6 years ago to play Footitt?

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Garton is the next guy.

[@anweshchatterjee7595]

Must they have a left armer though? Barring Pakistan no team in the world has a regular leggie in tests, do the same with left arm pacers. India doesn't have one either and they have one of the best bowling attacks. England has great right arm options so leave out southpaws for now I'd say.

[@christianfrost8660]

@@anweshchatterjee7595 So your answer is tell all young left arm pacers, sorry but you'll never make it to international cricket because unless you are 90MPH or obscenely tall & accurate we are scrubbing left armers out of existence.

[@anweshchatterjee7595]

@@christianfrost8660 how many batsmen in the world struggle against a bowler just because he's left arm and creates a change in angle? Not too many. Not the best batsmen. No one is asking them to be Shoiab Akhtar or Glenn McGrath. They just have to be good enough to play for reasons other than a different bowling arm. Curran bowls more half volleys than good deliveries these days. Starc is way too inaccurate for such a talented bowler. It's because Australia don't have as many options as England or India that Starc is playing regularly. Boult and Wagner are very good though. What's the first thing you think of about them? Not that they have a different angle of bowling. You think of Boult's swing and Wagner's bouncers. Shaheen Afridi is shaping up to be very good too, though he's yet to prove himself in very tough situations. I have nothing against left arm bowlers and no one will ever be a Wasim Akram. But they have to have something special to offer.

[@christianfrost8660]

@@anweshchatterjee7595 I think Trent Boult is rather ordinary in Test cricket, years of White Ball cricket has taken away his ability to bowl in the Slot which also brings me back to Curran, I don't see the problem with his length, he needs work on not sending balls miles down Leg but a medium fast swing bowler should be pitching full between the good length and Yorker.

[@christianfrost8660]

Sam Curran won't get going in Test cricket until Jimmy Anderson retires and he becomes England's only specialist Swing Bowler. It hasn't helped him that the ECB has had the Dukes Balls' ability to swing the reduced to a level that's not much better than the Kookabura.

[@poo-tinthedwarfbunkerb1tch535]

Maybe , that's a good thing? Cos that'll force the bowlers to work on their skills rather than have the ball and the conditions do everything for them?

[@christianfrost8660]

@@poo-tinthedwarfbunkerb1tch535 England's advantage has always been it's swing bowlers along side it's seamers, only New Zealand know how to face swing. At the rate we are going, in five years we will be left with nothing but 90MPH bowlers, line and length very tall bowlers and Finger Spinners. England will make specialist swing and seam bowlers extinct just like they did Wrist Spinners.

[@mrinalkantinath1271]

How about his brother tommy?

[@Tom-eq7eh]

The idea of Sam Curran leaving Surrey to bat at 4 or 5 may seem ridiculous at first, but weirdly that's what another 20 something English all rounder has just done. Dom Bess who like Sam Curran was just 'handy' in Tests has left for Yorkshire partly so he can bat 4 or 5, which could make him a very unlikely heir to Woakes/Moeen

[@shikhargovil9579]

bess actually looks like is showing some improvements. he is able to hold ends up by bowling tight spells which is what the complaint was that he lacks control.

[@JarrodKimberYT]

I’m not expecting it to happen. But it’s the best way for him to develop.

[@bobbythomas5357]

You mean- your either a Botham or a Botham

[@ethanprince356]

How's your arm Jarrod? Still hurting?

[@JarrodKimberYT]

Got the cast off and pins out my wrist. So it’s all naked now, sore, and bent.

[@ethanprince356]

@@JarrodKimberYT nice

[@roosterskipper5979]

Curran might give the left arm advantage but he can't fit in 11 when Stokes & Archer comes backs in side as Woakes is already playing today.

[@JarrodKimberYT]

He can fit in even woakes. Woakes at 9. If they want it.

[@anweshchatterjee7595]

@@JarrodKimberYT not with Archer and Broad available though. Wood too in fact. Both Archer and Broad can hold a bat so I'm not sure what playing both Curran and Woakes at 8 and 9 would achieve. Maybe if everyone moved up a place and Curran batted at 7. Still not a great combination, especially not in Australia. Too many swing and seam medium bowlers.

[@joebloggs6922]

@@JarrodKimberYT No, just no. Curran has been an absolute passenger recently. Why would you want to fit him in anyway?

[@christianfrost8660]

@@joebloggs6922 If you are asking the question, you have missed the point of the video.

[@zeeshanfaraz9366]

no bass ball references please

[@lukeallison3713]

His accuracy and movement has went a bit, the problem isnt his pace. Hasnt ever dropped off in limited overs either. I still see him averaging 28-29 with the bat and 32-34 with the ball

[@JPH1138]

lol "random keeper"

[@ram5798]

Has india had a leftie quick since Zak, Irfan, RP? 🧐

[@krishaysrivastav6043]

Khaleel Ahmed

[@sudarshanr6926]

T Natarajan

[@parthbatra99]

How can you forget Lord unadkat?

[@ram5798]

Oh yes..and chetan sakariya

[@JarrodKimberYT]

No, but England haven’t had 3 that good in the last 50 years

[@Killjoy1204]

If curran gets to even Jadeja like record in tests with 35+ average batting and below 28 bowling average England should be happy

[@dcbbot]

Wouldn't he cease to be bits and pieces player and be considered a genuine allrounder? Isn't the general standard for being a genuine all-rounder a player whose bowling average is below their batting ave? I think there have only been about 20 or so over the last 50-70 years of international cricket who have ended their careers with stats like this.

[@JarrodKimberYT]

They should be over the moon.

[@anweshchatterjee7595]

@@dcbbot bowling avg below batting is a loose criterion. A batsman can average 52 and 50 or a bowler 25 and 23 with bat and ball respectively.

[@dcbbot]

@@anweshchatterjee7595 I think you're missing some key information here, so it's difficult to understand what you mean and therefore reply adequately. So I'll just add by saying, sure, it's a loose criterion, however, that still doesn't change the fact that if Curran gets anywhere near a 35+ batting average while maintaining a bowling ave of 28 he would be considered to be in the top 10-12 allrounders since the second world war. He'd move from the Derek Pringle to the Ian Botham part of the axis. The initial writer's use of the term "even'' suggests it's not that big an ask. I suggest that it's extremely unlikely he'll be anywhere near that based on his performances so far and the history of test cricket and that it is extremely rare to be able to have those numbers. Kapil Dev, for instance, averaged 31 with the bat and 29 with the ball. It'd be like saying If Dom Sibley can ''even'' ave 50 with the bat England would be happy. No s%it! Every team would be happy with it, he's just unlikely to do so, so unlikely that it's not really worth pointing it out, let alone talking about it as if it's easy.

[@s.lingesan]

And he is dropped today

[@pedduharsha5889]

Csk player being called bits and pieces player ......

[@shikhargovil9579]

in tests, yes he is bits and pieces. warne called brutal fact.