I remember at that moment everyone was against India and wanted them to reverse the decision-the commentators, the crowd, just everyone. Absolutely no one talked this sensibly back then. It's easy to say this now after so many years.
@neilcameron77054 ай бұрын
I vaguely remember being at a one day match in the mid 1980s at the SCG where a West Indian (or Indian) batsman, after getting out, walked about 3/4 of the way to the fence before realising that he was heading in the wrong direction to the change rooms. Instead of heading to the members stand, he was heading diagonally to the stand that existed where the current Bradman stand is located (I was on the Hill)
@nandraclan14934 ай бұрын
Glad they mentioned that it cost India the test match. The match was critically poised, and Dhoni let England off the hook with his stupid PR stunt. The behavior of the crowd was also insipid.
@malhotrafullly4 ай бұрын
Strauss and Flower storming into the Indian dressing room to demand Bell's resinstatement was the biggest breach of the spirit of cricket i have ever witnessed. Disgusting
@tristanmills49484 ай бұрын
As an England supporter it is out, and India were perfectly right to do it (and I'm sure England would do it if the tables were turned). The pleading to take it back is even more embarrassing and stupid than the actual event... I do understand the emotions which bring out 'spirit of cricket' nonsense, they're because it's so ridiculously stupid and frustrating. I maintain most supporters would react similarly, but have no evidence either way (maybe someone can enlighten me).
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
I think you'll find the only instance of an England player doing this was Tony Greig in the 80s and the batsmen was called back. It's not the way the game has ever been played here
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
I'm sure you aren't aware of when we recalled Angelo Mathews to the crease for a run out where he collided with the bowler in a crunch champions trophy game? Don't comment on things that you are completely ignorant about
@GSB1884 ай бұрын
@@BigWes95 The main reason why that appeal was withdrawn is because a similar incident occurred between Grant Elliot and Ryan Sidebottom a few months prior. They collided and whilst Elliot was on the floor England ran him out and did not withdraw the appeal. Collingwood was the captain.
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
@GSB188 yep and it was clear that they regretted the decision to uphold their appeal and they improved their behaviour afterwards. That was a real grey area as well as the fielder was making a genuine attempt to get to the ball and got ran into. I would've not appealed for either. Nothing wrong with improving your team ethics based on past mistakes
@prats0074 ай бұрын
@cricqazi Dhoni didn't want to bring Bell back. It was senior like Sachin who pushed Dhoni to do so. Still think Bell was out and shouldnt had been called back.
@Lathi334 ай бұрын
If you can take back an appeal why can't you take back runs from your score? (2019 wc final overthrow)
@chaitanyashinde77004 ай бұрын
It’s stupid umpiring. If it’s out it’s out and it’s umpires decision. It should not be up to the players to sort things then why do we need umpires in first place. Let every decision be discussed between players and come to a consensus. That’s why refries in football have final call players can keep arguing it doesn’t matter. This is where cricket umpires lack that conviction or authority or something which is not the case in some other sports. We think umpires can be talked into changing decisions. Once the final decision is made that should be it.
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
Not a difficult concept to grasp. The umpires are there to uphold the laws of the game. It's up to the players to uphold the spirit of the game. Whether the team upholds the appeal or not is not up to the umpires. It's up to them to give them out if the team decides to uphold it
@Thetonn4 ай бұрын
My issue with both this and the Bairstow incident that I think put them ever so slightly into the corridor of uncertainty are the actions of the umpires. I agree that the simple and obvious answer is that the players should stay in the crease and that solves literally every issue, but I think the other side of that coin is that umpires should also remain professional and not do anything that indicates that the ball is dead until they have specified that it is. In both incidents, the umpires do not follow the standard practice that they are meant to do if a ball is live, and instead they drop their focus and give what I would consider soft indicators to the batsman that they have started the process of moving things along as if the ball is dead despite the ball still being in play. In both incidents the umpires are not reliant on their own understanding or awareness of the situation and default to technology to tell them what has actually happened. To reiterate, I think in both instances the answer is that the players should be given out and the fielding side have not done anything wrong, but I think in the speed to condemn the players, a lack of professionalism in the umpires is somewhat overlooked.
@reki42794 ай бұрын
that was a weekend jarrod, not a vacation
@vighneshmenon49644 ай бұрын
ICC awarded Dhoni with the spirit of cricket of the decade btw for this Bell incident
@prasannakoushik19264 ай бұрын
I think ICC gave out some 'Spirit of the Cricket' award to India for upholding the spirit of the game for this incident 🤦♂️
@tuhinsubhranath49004 ай бұрын
Dhoni called him back to save his image in english press becoz already knew they t gonna lose the series badly
@HkFinn834 ай бұрын
Umpires decision, should have been out. Players captains or coaches shouldn’t get a say
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
Yes they do. A team has the right to withdraw an appeal which had been done countless times. Don't spout ignorance
@prathamchhabra48334 ай бұрын
Dhoni didn't bring bell back. Accdg to the players in the team. It was majorly a Sachin-fletcher decision.
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
Not sure why people cant grasp a very simple concept. If someone isnt attempting to make a run then running them out is against the spirit of the game. Dhoni was absolutely right to call him back but unfortunately this was the last instance I can remember of an opposing captain doing the right thing
@malhotrafullly4 ай бұрын
The laws come first. You are suggesting they be outright broken
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
@malhotrafullly I'm suggesting to use a bit of common sense in the application of them
@Aragorn19644 ай бұрын
Yeah I think you’re both wrong about this. The way praveen Kumar acted as if it had gone for four (because he seems to have thought it did go for four), I think it’s dubious to affect a run out after that. Also I’m unclear on one thing, why was the umpire giving the jumper back to the bowler if he hadn’t called over. I can reasonably believe that a batter might see that and assume over had been called and they hadn’t heard it for some reason (especially in an international match where there is crowd noise). Kimber has many good ideas about cricket but I think he is not affording spirit of cricket arguments fair consideration. It is not just about who is playing. For the record, I think Bairstow was given out correctly and the Australians were right to do it. I think the England team in the 2023 ashes come across very poorly in their attitude around the whole matter. I also am against the “mankad” runout, whoever does it.
@nithishpai4 ай бұрын
It really doesn't matter. Ian Bell was careless in walking back after the incident. The fact of the matter is that he was out of his crease and was run out and a legitimate definition of a batsman getting out. In that case, it should also be illegal for the batsman to attempt a run to put pressure on a fielder when that could lead to a misfield when there is no run available without the misfield. I am pretty sure that everyone would praise the batsman for putting pressure on the fielder.
@-gn7sn4 ай бұрын
Did any indians get dropped after losing this match? Easy to be "sporting" when your place is assured
@1nv1ct0s4 ай бұрын
How did Dhoni of all people got punked into doing this ? That is the part I want to know more about.
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
Because he actually has respect for the game? Same with Dravid and Tendulkar who were the ones telling him to call him back
@1nv1ct0s4 ай бұрын
@@BigWes95 That's weird to call it respecting the game. This was just rewarding stupidity at best or absent-mindedness at worst. Respecting the game would involve following the rules of the game. And by the rules of the game Bell was out.
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
@1nv1ct0s lol you obviously have no idea what the spirit of cricket actually is. For example there's nothing in the rules to stop me going and coughing in the batsmans face on purpose but you obviously shouldn't do it. Same with other things that are technically within the laws. If someone isn't attempting a run then don't run them out. Very simple
@1nv1ct0s4 ай бұрын
@@BigWes95 You are absolutely correct I have no idea what "spirit of cricket" actually is. Thanks for clarifying I can't actually cough in Batsman's face. So many times while playing the game I have thought "if only I could cough in the batsman's face I could get him out". I did not know what stopped me from doing it. I thought it was the Salem Witches. But now I know the spirit of the game had gotten to me. " If someone isn't attempting a run then don't run them out. Very simple". Yes so simple. - So many times I have batsman jump out to hit me back and I got them stumped. Did not know that was against the spirit. Because the batsman wasn't attempting a run they were simply trying to hit me for a six. - Also when batsman run half way down the pitch and then turn around to get back in their crease we should let them be. Because obviously they are not attempting a run. They are just trying to get back to their crease. - And if the batsman at the bowlers end leave their crease before the ball is delivered I should run them out. Because obviously they are attempting a run. Man you make the game so simple. And here I thought it was a complicated game with written rules and un-written rules that only exists in people's head.
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
@1nv1ct0s a run out is not the same as a stumping you fool. Also the coughing was just an example of one of thousands of possible things so you've clearly not grasped the point. It's about using common sense whether it's written in the law or not
@EltWilder4 ай бұрын
Hah, remember this, and since I’m anti Dhoni, I’m glad it worked out for England (I’m also anti England).
@shantanukhanapure5384 ай бұрын
Ian Bell should have said that I'm out. He made mistake what Ian bell did was against spirit of cricket
@BigWes954 ай бұрын
Lol. You obviously have no idea what the spirit of cricket is. It's playing the game how it was intended to be played and not get people out on technicalities
@Abhishek-ti5er4 ай бұрын
❤.
@vaibhavmishra83894 ай бұрын
Please don't bring behram he is damm irritating
@gauravyadav63154 ай бұрын
We don't share the same opinion here
@0nil3604 ай бұрын
Jarrod this is factually incorrect. Please watch the entire footage, batters were still on the pitch, when the Mukund took the bail off, they weren't "70 meters" off the crease. I'm sure you must have watched the footage before making a series video on it, if not, then please do. This is not the level of quality we've come to expect of you.