JAS - KJV only Debate (1995)

[@jaybees5734]

I can't believe Dr. White actually had hair, I thought it was a myth

[@andyjordan1433]

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[@tiotavopregunta502]

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[@pinoychristianpilgrim]

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[@aaronforrest7721]

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[@reformedpilgrim]

1:38:13 Sam Gipp says, "I don't believe you can enlighten anything on the King James Bible by going to the Hebrew or Greek." This is just about the most astounding statement I've heard in the entire KJV debate.

I had to replay that part because I was absolutely baffled. That was a statement fired with no regards whatsoever to what it implies, almost like a kid when he can't argue anymore and goes "well, you're ugly!"

[@williammarinelli2363]

I'm KJV only insomuch that it's the only English version that I read, study, trust and recommend. I didn't say the translation was inspired nor perfect. And I receive disapproval feedback from "both sides." But the most astounding thing I heard from Mr. Gipp was "English is the language of the world." I've travelled to Europe, Asia, and Latin America - and I've run into many who have zero fluency nor proficiency in English. I speak Spanish to a Madrid taxi driver or I don't get to my destination. English is the language of the English speaking peoples. "Everybody learns English, somewhere along the line;" said Gipp. A Calvinist like James White would have no problem translating "everyone" to "some people" but I don't have that kind of elasticity so I find Gipp's statements attesting to world-wide proficiency of English to be patently false. Made it past the 7 minute mark and I'm out. Ciao.

[@Terrylb285]

5:12 Sam gipps reply is laughable even don wilkens was almost speechless 😶

[@BarbaPamino]

The greek doesn't need translation. The laity simply needs to know greek. It's not that hard. We still speak and read it.

​@@Terrylb285 ".....................yes"

[@sorenpx]

Good stuff. Thanks for uploading. The sheer utterly 90s aesthetic is so nostalgic for me. I can't even imagine a conversation like this taking place on TV today.

[@justinabajian1087]

It was probably on some religious channel

[@sorenpx]

@@justinabajian1087 Oh, I'm sure that it was, but I can't imagine a conversation--much less a multi-part series--like this taking place today even on a network like CBN.

[@ryanmozert]

​@@sorenpxnope

[@robbymcdobby]

This is the most 1995 video that ever 1995'd.

[@KFish-bw1om]

I 1995'd once....couldn't handle it. I had to format c: /s almost immediately.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

This video was a commercial success for the now defunct NASB 1995 edition.

[@benthepianist1]

Only the legendary James White could evolve in three short decades from Clark Kent to Obi-Wan.

[@cranmer1959]

I think James White has gone over to the dark side.

[@cranmer1959]

Darth Vader is more like it. He's spending too much time on the dark side with Doug Wilson and Dan Brown.

[@chickenjohnny3308]

Ob1 for shure his knowlage and dedication is incredible.

[@craigime]

Thank you for uploading the ENTIRE program!

[@buildtolove]

if you enjoy the program as much as I do... please share with your friends. Have a cup of coffee (or many cups) ready with snack and enjoy the program.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Tearing down biblical inerrancy is great entertainment?

[@buildtolove]

​@@ThomasCranmer1959 need to shake up what you think is true so that only what truly unshaken remain. And the words of God stands forever.

[@Jason-L-Ledford]

I almost didn't recognize Dr James R White with hair and no beard. LOL!! 😆🤣

[@michaelharrington75]

Yeah, he's been hanging out with the muslims too long, and it's influencing his appearance. He should shave that scraggly beard, and go back to the bow tie.

[@o0o_OutCast_o0o]

He must wear some thick contacts or something, too. lol

[@Matthew-307]

@@o0o_OutCast_o0oI think he had lasik

[@o0o_OutCast_o0o]

@@Matthew-307 Maybe, I wear one as well. Something about getting old 😭

[@Matthew-307]

@@o0o_OutCast_o0o you’re just closer to home than us younger folks 😊

[@davidr1620]

Watching irrational arguments is fun sometimes. We all know we watch these because it gives us a reminder that we aren’t crazy. We may be unsure of many things in life, but rational people can tell the difference awful circular arguments and good ones. I’m convinced that if Jesus himself talked to Gipp and told him he is wrong, he’d condemn Jesus without hesitation.

[@joabbelmont8809]

This is such a great comment. This is a vivid way for us to see Saul's Blindness. Except Saul didn't condemn Jesus... But, yeah, Jesus called Saul, it's different.

[@MrLuvtheUSA]

A coworker invited me to his church one time. A weeknight bible study actually. I knew he was a KJV advocate, but I was shocked by what happened. There was an older gentleman who apparently had been attending church there for a little while. He brought his NIV bible to the study, and the pastor and another man began to question him about it. The man began to be visibly upset but they kept pressing him and he said he did not believe the KJV was the only acceptable translation. Members of this church began to argue and harass him to the point of tears, and he got up and left. I went outside to talk with him before he left; to apologize for what had happened and tell him these people were so interested in the correct text of the Bible that they’d completely missed the spirit of the word. I’m sure he’s better off somewhere now at a church that doesn’t have a litmus test to attend bible study 😂

[@AustinBurch1]

@@joabbelmont8809 it's like watching the news. it will make you angry lol

[@ngumoandy]

I would be exhausted speaking to the KJVO crew because they cannot even abide by logic to make this discussion wholesome.

[@MSA-uj7cp]

KJV only people are the flat earths of the Bible translation world!

[@AungusMacgyver]

My biggest take away from this is that I need to find more episodes of the John Ankerberg Show.

[@CzechDog2022]

Yes, especially when Walter Martin is on the guest panel

[@ngumoandy]

Just discovered him now

[@drj602]

Amen! Great discussions and debates. I wouldn’t leave the tv for an air raid siren when these were on. 😊

[@cranmer1959]

Rabbit trail. The issue is not the KJV. It's textual criticism.

[@Rambling-Thomas]

What a fantastic debate. Thank you for uploading this.

[@cranmer1959]

The entire debate is a huge red herring. The issue is not which translation we should use. The issue is whether we should treat the Bible like any other book and subject it to arbitrary axioms of the science of textual criticism. Is the Bible special revelation or is it just another book to be reconstructed using an ever-changing "science" of textual criticism?

[@ProphetGreg94]

This is such an amazing and insightful discussion. Thank you for this upload. Such a treasure!

[@jonathanwilson5885]

Best moderator ever 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 this was a great video

[@corycollins318]

This is one of the greatest videos I’ve ever seen. Thank God for the uploader

[@helveticalouie]

It's kinda comforting to know that we're not the only generation fighting about this 😂

[@sethplace]

No kidding. It’s a minefield 😂

[@cranmer1959]

My mama used to say, "Stupid is as stupid does." The question is who is dumber? The liberals or the KJV onlyists? It's a close call?

[@Possum880]

This is such a blessing! Thank you for uploading this in its entirety! What an amazing assembling of Biblical scholars

[@alext.8456]

​@@ChuckUpchuckA semi-colon fits better with your statement than a comma.

[@craigime]

​@@ChuckUpchuckit was the first word in your sentence; it should be capitalized

[@radscorpion8]

@@craigime biblical scholar, an oxymoron hahaha :D

[@craigime]

@@radscorpion8 it's not lol that wasn't even clever of you

[@kevinmilner9066]

As a younger person, I never appreciated John Ankerbergs great skill in this environment. He was excellent in this format.

[@curtthegamer934]

This is the same debate where one of the modern version committee members got a frog in his throat for a few seconds, and then, because the footage was unreleased for a number of years, Sam Gipp lied about it and turned it into a story about God striking the guy mute like he did with Zacharias. When KZbin became a thing and the footage was finally released, Sam Gipp doubled down on his lie and tried to cover it up with various stories about how the footage was "fake" or that there were actually two incidents where the guy lost his voice. Sam Gipp lost all credibility on that day.

[@fordhughes]

So the guy went mute and Sam Gipp reported it…what’s the issue?

[@curtthegamer934]

@@fordhughes Because he lied about it. He lied about what part of the interview it took place at, he lied about why the guy went mute, he lied about the footage being erased, and he called anybody else a liar that tried to tell the story of what really happened.

[@fordhughes]

@@curtthegamer934 I’ve heard him mention it and I don’t think he lied about any of it. Pretty big charge to say he lied about that

[@fordhughes]

@@curtthegamer934 Calciumboy has a video on his channel where he sent James Whites video to Sam Gipp. He then plays a recording where Dr Gipp says that was not the exchange where he lost his voice and that the video is deceptive. Maybe it’s not Sam Gipp who is lying? Maybe it’s James White? We won’t know till the day of judgment. We will know and the KJB will be vindicated. Not James White.

[@anthonykeve8894]

You must be a Sam Gipp fan Don Wilkins’ throat went dry for a few seconds, quickly reversed w/a big drink of water. Sam claimed Don “lost” his much longer

[@macy12347]

This was a really great discussion! I thoroughly enjoyed this program...all 3 hours plus of this program! Thanks for the upload.

[@Thor1107]

I’ve watched this twice since I found it a month ago. Such a good panel and debate. 👍

[@patcandelora8496]

I’m out..these KJV only guys are just too much!

[@geekubs2778]

I think people mistakenly follow emotions and call it 'The Holy Spirit ' and it's unfortunate.

[@davidsimpson7229]

That’s probably true, since the Holy Spirit probably doesn’t exist.

[@nathanielmartin9892]

@@davidsimpson7229 ignorant

[@nathanielmartin9892]

Exactly they make their emotions the Holy Spirit. The spirit is truth it changes not. Our emotions do. It will effect our emotions but it doesn’t effect it to have it out of control it effects it to have it in control

[@Chesterchurch]

​@@davidsimpson7229this other guy under my comment called you ignorant. And I see why kinda, but I actually think your rather wise In a small way anyways, I like how you said "there PROBABLY isn't a Holy Spirit" Not being sarcastic, I appreciate you being smart enough to throw a "probably" on that sentence. Shows you know you could be mistaken

[@lordberossus2545]

@@nathanielmartin9892 you said absolutely nothing coherently

[@michaelnapper4565]

Great job on the ads placement. Being serious. Thanks for posting this.

[@VincentW2]

This is a treasure. Thank you Daniel

[@gatekeeper3232]

Sam Gipp is so boldly holds to his “traditions”, even when it is shown to be patently biased, it scares me. It is absolutely cult-ish.

[@callumgardiner8469]

You don't know the half of it , he visited our church plenty of times , we were all ruckmanites . An evil heresy that will either make or break a Christian. Thankfully I woke up and it " made" me .

[@AustinTexasGardening]

Wow, my Church History professor really was a part of Church history

[@ubespam5477]

Which one was he?

[@patcandelora8496]

John Ankerberg was very good at keeping everyone in their lane and at the same time being fair and even handed giving them all a chance to bring out their points while moving the discussion forward.What a pro!

[@cloudx4541]

He met privately with the Bible critic side before the show to pick spots to trap the KJV side. Then he would pivot if things weren’t going to his sides liking.

[@henrylaurel1188]

​@@cloudx4541What Bible critics? The KJV only cultists?

[@CzechDog2022]

@@cloudx4541 you know that for certain, or are you bearing false witness? Your profile indicates you to be a fan of King James Bible Research Council, Vlad Savchuk and the Mike Bickel enabling goat herders over at Remnant Radio....so that does explain a few things

[@rockyp32]

@@henrylaurel1188watch gene Kim

[@Younggodizzyiz]

James White looks absolutely flabbergasted, it's hilarious. Furthermore, almost every single point made by the KJV Onlyists are Catholic arguments that work even more powerfully for the vulgate, unreal.

[@ToOpen6seven]

Answer me this -- why would a known Satanist and occultist care about getting out new bible translations huh?? Read below: "Prominent occultist Manly Palmer Hall was deeply into the New World Order. He wrote about the NWO -and showed what the King James Bible has to do with it. Hall wrote about many religions. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a 33rd Degree Mason, loved Hall`s occultic, NWO teachings. Forty-seven years after Hall wrote about Masonry, he was given an honorary 33rd degree. The man had major connections and lots of money. During World War II, over a year before the USA bombed Japan, Manly P. Hall considered how to make one world government: "In the next ten years we will have to rebuild a world civilization. I hope for some psychologists and even philosophers to be among those appointed to administer this problem.... We will sit at a council table and figure how to iron out the troubles on the earth. ...no postwar program can be successful unless at least three and probably five generations of social conditioning goes with it." Hall foresaw five generations of conditioning, starting in first grade, needed to "create a world capable of mental and emotional tolerance." Now look what Hall claimed is "erroneous" thinking. "To make things right we will have to undo much that is cherished error. The problem of revising the Bible shows how difficult it is to do this. For the last hundred years we have been trying to get out an edition of the Bible that is reasonably correct; but nobody wants it. What`s wanted is the good old King James version, every jot and tittle of it, because most people are convinced that God dictated the Bible to King James in English. Never mind that he lied about King James Bible-believers. Catch what he said? Who is "we"? Hall is an occultist! Who was he involved with? And what did "they" do to the Bible, from the 1840s-1940s? The only "Bible" supposedly found in the 1840s was Codex Sinaiticus. Why is an occultist, who disbelieves the Bible, concerned with "fixing" it? If he got rid of the King James Bible, what would go in its place? "Psychology can be the basic science of human tolerance..." Psychology from grade one and teaching "tolerance" sounds like today! Hall is right. For a new world order, you`d need people conditioned from childhood, like the Nazis conditioned German kids. (He actually wrote that, too.) And for "tolerance," you need people who will "go with the flow." But Christians are like big, bright buoys in the water, who, Hall would say, were anchored to the "jot and tittle" of the King James Bible. So Hall hoped to "free" you from the solid anchor of the King James, so you`d "flow with" his New World Order."

[@collectibles4u]

I listened without watching first and after watching couldn't believe that was James White

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

Yip

[@MostlyReformed]

I can't get past how he's clean shaven and has hair. It's jarring lol

[@peterfox7663]

1:28:48 "The King James translators put 'Lucifer' in there so [the reader] wouldn't be confused with Jesus Christ" So...admitting they are adding words that aren't there, beyond translation. Put it as a marginal note, I guess, but not in the transition itself

[@polar_rt]

Even tho I only read the kjv. When we get to heaven Jesus isn’t going to ask if we read the kjv or niv or esv. It’s not about the version you use but the victory through Christ you’ve received if you’re saved

[@Christos_Kurios]

But do you side with the KJV only arguments or with the alternative.

[@sethplace]

@@Christos_Kurioswhat’s your thoughts after hearing this argument?

[@xxXQUICKXxx]

@@sethplacefor some old kjv onlysist it was back and forth up until the end and I love kjv I really do but when it’s a 3v7 not implying it matters it certain who will eventually have stronger arguments

[@xceptamanbbornagainnokingd5836]

That is incorrect. The word of God hath it written that God hath magnified his word above all his name, and again, praising his word. Also it is written that because we have kept the word of his patience he also will keep us from the hour of temptation which shall try all that dwell upon the earth, that is to say, the resurrection, delivering us from the wrath to come BECAUSE we believed in his word.

[@sethplace]

@@xceptamanbbornagainnokingd5836 but the word that we keep is the revelation of God in its entirety, not one English translation.

[@Zachary_Setzer]

Dan Wallace bringing absolute fire when he asks which English dictionary they recommend to their congregation. Let's go.

[@cranmer1959]

Which variant does Wallace go with during his textual critical approach to the Greek text? Oh, right. Wallace is the pope and gets to decide what belongs in the Greek New Testament and what does not belong there. Is the Bible just another book to be reconstructed using the axioms of textual criticism? Or is it special revelation?

[@Zachary_Setzer]

@@cranmer1959 What the original authors wrote is special revelation. The whole point of textual criticism is to get as close as we can to the autographs. We have absolute certainty that the critical text is closer than the TR or KJV. Why would you prefer a Bible that you know is deficient?

[@cranmer1959]

@@Zachary_Setzer You are not giving me science. You're only stating that you have faith in an ever-changing "science" that never arrives at any absolute truth. Yet, you assert that you have "absolute certainty" in what is obviously full of errors. Explain to me how a theoretical inerrancy translates to an actual inerrancy since the entire basis of textual criticism is a fallible process of reconstructing a text out of bits and pieces of a jigsaw puzzle? You have bought into the lie of skepticism. The Westminster Confession of Faith does not affirm skepticism. It affirms beginning with Scripture as the axiom of the entire system of propositional truths which are summarized by the Confession by good and necessary consequence. WCF 1:6. Since we do not have the autographs--as you have yourself just admitted--then it is simply a matter of which axiom we will begin with? Your axiom seems to be an ever-changing eclecticism. My axiom is that the Textus Receptus is a providential preservation of the original autographs. Since there are way less variants in the TR, it is a much better representation of the autographs. Picking and choosing variants by majority opinion is prone to error.

[@cranmer1959]

@@Zachary_Setzer Close only counts in horseshoes.

[@Zachary_Setzer]

@@cranmer1959 Perfect would be great. Lacking perfect, closer to perfect is preferable to further from perfect. It's shocking that that isn't obvious to you.

[@billcovington5836]

That was a fabulous set of programs! Took me all day to get through it, but it created greater mss. balance in my life! Thank you!

[@DefenderHomesteading]

The only reason I clicked on the video was because the thumbnail had a pic of Dr. White with hair.

[@jackdevlin1511]

Great upload

[@VinceOlson96]

My dad showed me a video series by Robert Breaker that he recorded roughly a week ago. 30 years later and the students of these KJV onlyists are still using these same arguments. It's honestly really sad

[@notyourtypicalcomment2399]

U think niv is same as kjv?

[@henrylaurel1188]

Robert Breaker? Another reason to reject the KJV only heresy.

[@VinceOlson96]

@@henrylaurel1188 tell me about it. Today my wife told my dad and I that she's about to start seriously reading her Bible and she's going to start in Matthew and my dad straight up told her. "Remember, in the Gospels, the Gospel preached to the Jews is different than the one we have today." As we were in public I decided to save the argument for another time and reluctantly brushed it off. When I got home I told my wife not to listen to my dad because what he said was absolutely false.

[@Andy_Pandy2000]

The calm response of Dr. White to the ignorance of Sam Gipp is incredible.

[@mark9531]

The ignorance of Sam Gipp is incredible

[@JohnMackeyIII]

Now you know why white is how he is now.. he is done with the infantile musing of people with dumb arguments😂😂😂

[@throwawaypt2throwawaypt2-xp8nx]

white is goated

[@-Pierre]

cool sharing, interesting topic thanks

[@louistrouver2800]

Bunch of plants in there with the red carpet and dim glasses. What a time that was to be alive!

[@reformedpilgrim]

What a fascinating discussion!

[@ecgf]

As an Israelite, I appreciate these kind of discussions. It's just a pity that we Israelites had no representation at this particular table. A great discussion replete with useful information.

[@davidc9847]

This is great. Thanks for uploading. I got a real kick out of seeing a much younger White and Wallace - visually I didn’t recognize either initially, but I knew their voices right off. The KJV guys are well intentioned, but their views are seriously flawed. I wonder what their “perfect Bible” is for non-English speakers? Someone has said history is “His story” and the KJV folks must deny history. White outlined the true doctrine of preservation as God actually did it in history very well. To be clear, I appreciate the KJV, but other translations also. I loved Wallace’s closing - we must pursue truth (which will always bear examination). God is big enough for that. Barker’s closing comment on “translation into life” was astute.

[@sorenpx]

The "What's the perfect Bible in other languages?" question will get different answers depending on who you ask, but I have a friend who is KJVO and he gives an answer that I at least find interesting. His view is that in the Old Testament era God chose one language, Hebrew, as the language he desired to communicate with, and in the NT era he chose one language yet again, Greek, to get his message out. Today, in the age of mass communication and English-dominance in terms of it being the closest thing we have to a lingua franca, he has chosen English. And now that we have modern printing technologies, and can mass produce perfect copies of texts that aren't reliant upon scribes hand-copying manuscripts, it makes sense that God would lay down a perfect text for his people. I can't say I don't see the logic in it.

[@davidc9847]

@@sorenpx Except that ignores history. The language commonly used in the West, at least among the educated, for centuries was Latin. Not Greek. Which is why the Reformers cried “back to the sources.” And it ignores what the original King James translators themselves said in their preface - both about their methodology and the need for additional translations into other common (or vulgar as they put it in 1600’s English) languages other than English. This “logic” is nothing but invented doctrine.

[@sorenpx]

@@davidc9847 At the time the NT was written, Koine Greek was considered the lingua franca of that part of the world, not Latin, which is why the apostles used it. I won't argue that Latin was unimportant, as that would be stupid, but it was not the common language. Furthermore, Latin would only grow into prominence, even among the educated, later on. It took centuries for Latin to grow into that spot because Greek was long understood to be the language of philosophy and science, having been the language of Plato and Aristotle. In regard to the translator's preface, I will agree that it does provide an argument against KJV Onlyism. But I will also say that it's entirely possible that God was doing a work through the translators that they themselves were unaware of.

[@user-nd7dy2kv6x]

@@sorenpx You said: "But I will also say that it's entirely possible that God was doing a work through the translators that they themselves were unaware of." Some could speculate/imagine the same about Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. The devil is in the details. 2 Corinthians 10:5 kjv Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Corinthians 10:5 nasb We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, Those chosen before the foundation of the world have the Holy Spirit to help them discern truth from error. KJB Onlyists don't - they are "natural" (1 Cor 2:14 kjv) void of the Spirit. That's why they are held captive by the devil - to do his will - and worship a translation.

[@sorenpx]

@@user-nd7dy2kv6x So you are saying that everyone who holds to the KJVO position is not a Christian and going to hell, even though they have trusted in Christ for their salvation? Do you understand you just revealed that you yourself do not believe in the words of the Bible?

[@Terrylb285]

John 3:16 God so loved the world that he gave us the KJV that those who only read this version will be truly saved.

[@davidhiramreyes6490]

😂👍🏼

[@philosophiaentis5612]

KJV Onlyism is an alglicized cult. Those guys are so mad that they don’t even care about the original greek Textus Receptus where the KJV came from. Only the KJV can be trusted and all that the scribers had copyed from the centuries has no importance for them and they will judge based on the KJV. We shoyld judge our translations based on the original manuscripts and not judge the original manuscripts based on our favorite translation.

[@oliviastephens930]

Please let this be sarcastic 💀

[@Terrylb285]

@@oliviastephens930 YES 👍

[@adamcampbell1981]

Thats a nice sarcastic straw man you put uo there! Nobody who believes the King James Bible believes that, not even Sam Gipp

[@ethanhunt8632]

This debate highlights the difference of arguments made from those experienced in the original languages and those who prefer tradition

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

The textual critics are claiming that science can reconstruct an eclectic text that no single Greek manuscript contains. Science is always changing and never arrives at the truth. The Textus Receptus providentially preserves the original autographs. The TR is the axiom of the NT Scriptures.

[@alexanderhuber3154]

Which TR? One of the five versions of Erasmus? Stephanus? Beza? If you're referring to the TR put out by the Trinitarian Bible Society; I hope you realize that text was created after the KJV 1611 was already produced. BTW, all versions of the TR had to make choices of which readings to include in the text. In other words, using textual criticism. If you attack textual criticism you attack the TR and every translation of the Bible. @@ThomasCranmer1959

[@henrylaurel1188]

​@@ThomasCranmer1959How has the Texts Receptus providentially preserved the original autographs? A sweeping statement with absolutely no shred of evidence. The delusions of the KJV only cult just get worse.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@@henrylaurel1188 Thanks for acknowledging that you do not believe that the autographs have been providentially preserved.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@henrylaurel1188 The modern translations cult is based on "science", not special revelation. Secondly, I am not KJV Only. I am a supporter of the TR, which is the axiom of providential preservation of the autographs.

[@MiikWatson66]

I actually get alot of understanding by comparing multiple translations( minus the nwt,passion,message,etc.)

[@CzechDog2022]

....as a good Berean should!

[@hardsayings2400]

There's only one English translation with the Traditional Greek Text.

[@kc17821]

This is a very good debate,old school preachers and teachers.And no internet devices smart phones A.I.

[@peterjoshuacolon8851]

Kjv

[@joshewing3504]

As a Southern Baptist minister, in my experience the people who argue for the KVJ only simply want to argue. And by “argue” I mean tell me I’m wrong. There is never any real discussion.

[@justenadams5798]

Daniel Wallace and James white are so based. The wild eyed, kjvo Sam Gipp can’t be serious 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@evanarmont]

The KJV only representatives come across as making a ton of accusations while those in favor of modern translations seem to be making actual arguments

[@graceev]

Thank you for uploading this!

[@steventhomas6102]

Sadly I was brought up from the age of 17 being taught in church that the KJV is the only real Bible. I was even given the book by Gail Riplinger at our Bible college. By God's grace and providence, I watched a debate with James White about 15 years later and gradually went on my own journey to the truth of the matter. I now own and read an ESV and feel at peace knowing that God isn't going to throw me into hell for reading a Bible aside from the KJV. KJV onlyism is a dangerous "cult-like" teaching that has arrived over the last 100 or so years and is hindering believers and non-believers from understanding God's inspired words. God Bless.

[@KJBTRUTH]

KJV only didn't arrive the last 100 years, it was the standard and has brought forth much fruit for centuries. It was the late 1800s when the Revised Version came in and they used corrupt manuscripts from the Vatican. Even before 1611, the church held to the manuscripts that were pure and came from God. All the versions that came from the RV are corrupt. They have words removed and words added.

[@steventhomas6102]

@@KJBTRUTH I'd respectfully disagree and I would doubt that you are able to counter and defend the views on this debate involving Gipp, White et al. It is indeed an issue that has arisen within the last 100 years and interestingly was started by a Seventh Day Adventist. You keep saying like all KJV only advocates that modern versions have added and deleted verses. Added and deleted from the KJV. Which means you have started your defense and hypothesis with its conclusion. You have decided the KJV is THE standard and so anything different, even one single word in one single verse is going to be considered an addition or deletion. What you should do is ask "What does the original text say?" God bless 🙏

[@oxysz]

@@KJBTRUTH what about the fact that Paul wouldn’t even be able to recognize the KJV? It’s not like he knew English.. it wasn’t even invented

[@oxysz]

@@KJBTRUTH I guess what I’m asking so you either need to know Greek or English or you will not be allowed to read the word of God? If that’s the truth than wouldnt you need to also know Hebrew as well to know the truth of the OT?

[@randyd9805]

I believe you came to the wrong conclusion. I don't go as far as Gail Riplinger and some others. I personally don't even follow Riplinger, Ruckman, and some of the others at all. I do not believe the KJV is a flawless translation and I reached that conclusion before this ever became a hot-button issue back in the late 80s while I was still in Bible college. I don't believe everyone who uses a version like the NASB, ESV or NIV is a heretic or an evil person although some definitely are. Clearly, there are some really, really bad translations and paraphrases. I doubt though that you believe in the divine preservation of God's word. This is where I would strongly differ and why I don't use modern versions. I will use the KJV until I die and I believe it is far closer to relating what God wants us to know for our faith and practice than any modern translation. Also, there are serious errors in doctrine introduced by almost all modern versions by changes to the text and even leaving out certain verses that I'm convinced belong in there like Acts 8:37 or First John 5:7 for starters. I believe both verses are God's words and should be in ALL BIBLES in any language. That does not make me or anyone else who believes that a heretic.

[@user-fj1sw5hf5v]

"And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. Yeah, the KJV is so clear a child could grasp it, especially the latter half "lo, there thou hast that is thine."

[@KFish-bw1om]

You should read the Wycliffe bible.

[@cranmer1959]

Yah, we should all just go with the gender neutral translations: NRSV, TNIV, et. al. ad nauseum. Maybe you have not studied English grammar? The English of the KJV is much more specific. The "T" words are singular in number. The "Y" words are plural. Also, the difference between "thy", "thou" and "thine" has to do with the nominative, genitive, dative and accusative cases use of the singular pronoun. You don't get that in the modern translations. Since I have studied Koine Greek, I can tell you that I have yet to find anywhere that the KJV gets this information wrong when comparing it to the Greek of the Textus Receptus. And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (Lk. 22:31 KJV) Most readers assume that Jesus is referring to Peter as an individual in this verse. Actually, the address is to "you" in the plural number. Jesus was referring not just to Peter, but to all the apostles present with Jesus. εἶπε δὲ ὁ Κύριος, Σίμων, Σίμων, ἰδού, ὁ Σατανᾶς ἐξῃτήσατο ὑμᾶς, τοῦ σινιάσαι ὡς τὸν σῖτον· (Lk. 22:31 SCR) "Humas" or "ὑμᾶς" is the plural pronoun.

[@user-fj1sw5hf5v]

@@cranmer1959 "ad nauseum" are there others? And, of course the KJV gets it right with the TR. However, comparing the KJV to proper Greek manuscripts finds it lacking in scholarship. Also, I'd pull back on the claim "Since I have studied Koine Greek" a bit as it reveals more about you than you wish to proclaim. Some folks commenting on these threads have degrees both undergraduate & graduate with many working with the original languages daily or weekly in sermon prep.

[@cranmer1959]

@@user-fj1sw5hf5v Do you need a degree in textual criticism to know irrational logic when you hear it? Do you need a theological degree to disagree with experts who are pushing outright contradictions? If only the autographs are inerrant and inspired, then the problem is obviously that we have been lied to outright. There is no inspired and inerrant text available today. So the bottomline is which axiom do we begin with? The axiom that textual criticism and an ever-changing eclectic Greek New Testament is best? Or do we go with the confessional view that the Textus Receptus is the providentially preserved text which most accurately represents the autographs?

[@cranmer1959]

@@user-fj1sw5hf5v Furthermore, even the grammar of the KJV is more accurate of a translation of the original Greek than the generic English grammar of today. Which pronouns do you prefer? LOL

[@MiikWatson66]

Thank you for posting this.

[@AaronR.Williams]

Thank you so much for going to the effort of sharing this. Incredibly valuable material. Ive watched a lot of James White on this topic, he's Incredibly valuable. But to have a 'round table' discussion like this is an absolutely incredible resource. I agree with a comment on this video that you wouldn't get this kind of discussion these days. It's sad, but true.

[@katielouise3924]

I just came across this today and I’m a bit afraid to watch all of it because I’ll feel a liitle bad for the KJV onlyists. The other side’s guys have enormous patience. 🤣 Thanks for uploading this gem of tv history.

[@rosschenault4227]

I bought his book on the KJV only controversy in 1994 or 95 when it came out. Good resource. This is back when White was a clean cut looking kid, before he got old and decided to grow a John Calvin beard. When he gets a John Calvin hat today, he can turn to one of the Calvin portraits in his studio and say: "You complete me. You had me at predestination."

[@goyonman9655]

😂😂😂😂

[@rosschenault4227]

@@electriccowboy4747 who’s bitter?

[@craigime]

@@electriccowboy4747 it's a joke

[@emmanuelmakoba6085]

😂😂😂

[@Thinking-Biblically]

Someone doesn't like that Calvinism is biblical. Must be another Freewill worshiper

[@peterjoshuacolon8851]

Amen brother ❤

[@ubespam5477]

Dr. Daniel B. Wallace's succinct closing statement was a mic drop. 👏

[@roguecalvinist]

A simpler time "Some claim that the King James Bible is actually more accurate than the text it was translated from" had me laughing

[@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084]

me too so much so that i'm gonna have to make a meme out of it quoting him

[@bubbamac187]

😂😅🤣

[@chosenonebygod]

Calvinism is a false gospel

[@roguecalvinist]

@@chosenonebygod in what way

[@bubbamac187]

@@roguecalvinist😅🤣😂

[@RobertPresson]

JAMES WHITE HAD HAIR?!?!!!!

[@sean.3909]

Fr 💀💀💀

[@AgeDeo2009]

🤣🤣🤣

[@cranmer1959]

White went to the dark side. Look at his black vestments and his crucifix. I think he's been hanging around with the Federal Visionists too much.

[@kyledrain8537]

😂

[@koubl]

This is gold! Thanks so much for uploading! Any idea what year this discussion took place?

[@jayjackson5932]

I can't remember precisely where, but they mention 1995. Maybe the NASB 95 was referenced as coming out soon? In any case, somewhere close to that date. Even though it feels like something like 1950 as I watch it 😆

[@craigime]

1995

[@keng9377]

Looks very 80’s but they mention 1995

[@centurion7398]

Discussions like this were so awesome. Nowadays debates feature former counterstrike streamers snidely talking down there noses at people with more experience and expertise in their fingernail clippings then said ex streamer has in their whole body.

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

Great questions posed by Daniel Wallace at the end. Well said brother.

[@AustinBurch1]

Man. The arrogance of the first dude to speak is astounding. "God only used one language for the old testament" yeah because the covenant was only for the hebrews. "to understand the bible a russian would have to learn english" blows my mind and frustrates me beyond end.

[@headsofhiphop]

There's also a mix of Hebrew and Aramaic in OT I think

[@CC-iu7sq]

Amazing how Mr.Gipp is KJVO after being wiped by the floor after this discussion.

[@GCAJr]

The only reason to watch this all the way through is the natural inclination or fascination of human beings to watch a train wreck or accident. The absolute insanity and lack of reason in KJVO is astounding but I guess not unexpected

[@deadeyeridge]

50:45 Dr. Chambers doesn't realized not only did he completely miss Dr. Wallace's point, but proved it for him, refuting his KJVO arguments.

[@Pandaemoni]

I was raised in a KJV-only church (and almost everyone oin the community belonged to that church) and I am surprised these men place as much authority in Gail Riplinger as they do. 2 Timothy 2:11-14: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

[@chadmeidl1140]

1 Cor. 14:35 Let your women keep silence *in the churches:* for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak *in the church.* Acts 18:24-26 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. 26And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when *Aquila and Priscilla* had heard, *they* took him unto them, *and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.* Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to *Mary Magdalene,* out of whom he had cast seven devils. *10And she went and told them that had been with him,* as they mourned and wept. 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, *believed not.*

[@commonsensei8423]

@@chadmeidl1140 2 Timothy 2:11-14: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But *_I suffer not a woman to teach,_* nor to usurp authority over the man, *_but to be in silence._* For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but *_the woman being deceived was in the transgression."_*

[@chadmeidl1140]

In what setting> what is the context? Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Does 2 Tim. 2:11-14 say women cannot sing, but to remain quiet? IS the church both a spiritual body and a physical gathering? Compare scripture with scripture, do not take one passage in Timothy and apply it to where it does not apply. Did Gail Riplinger give lectures or try to PREACH in a church setting? Use some common sense commonsense. @@commonsensei8423

[@luncarmy-et8dz]

woman have no business teaching men xD riplinger was a sodomite as well.

[@chrisk8376]

It's funny that when things started to get escalated John went to a break before Gipp went full WWE on everyone. Unbelievable that he held to his position that people need to learn English and have a KJV to get the Word, hence be saved. That is a horrid position to take.

[@jacobfleener8501]

Just want to thank the uploaded for sharing this

[@michaelteel4917]

I didn't know David Lettman was a Bible scholar .😂

[@musikpal]

How could King James only make any sense? How are we supposed to translate it to other languages and how are we supposed to share Bible with non believers. Non believers don't grow up reading the Bible like Christians. Use all of them side by side make the most sense.

[@hardsayings2400]

You're missing the point. The KJV-only position is that the God can preserve his word. The modern versions presuppose that only the original autographs are God's word, which is false.

[@jiayouchinese]

Love the background music

[@Brymoe]

Im glad that these educated men are so serious about Gods word makes me feel good about what we have in our bibles today.

[@daytonmorehead7330]

They referred to James White’s book as “new” so I’m going to date this video to 1995 or maybe 1996.

[@liberty2four2]

correct, 1995, I guess Dr. James White was still taking his Phd here because his caption says "James White"

[@heathobrien356]

​@@liberty2four2, right! He's a baby at this point.

[@cranmer1959]

James White doesn't know what the autographs contained. He's just guessing.

[@henrylaurel1188]

​@@cranmer1959The KJV only cult do not know what the autographs contained either. So they are only guessing as well.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

​Well, yes. We do know because the unproved starting point is the Textus Receptus. The textual critics never arrive at any immutable text. Their preferred variants are constantly in flux.​@henrylaurel1188

[@Sola_Scriptura_1.618]

I love these debates: same arguments, different translations. I love LSB!

[@DavidJMcBrayer]

I love my LSB as well. Yahweh has persevered His work just as He promised in the original languages. We have more historical evidence for the Bible than any other writing in antiquity. The job of translators must be to put together the most transparent window into those original texts as possible, and I believe the LSB is the most faithful at that task.

[@headsofhiphop]

LSB concerns me as it's translators are all from master's. I'm a macarthur fan, but I'd rather a wide array of faithful seminaries translating so that there is no theology bleeding into the translations. Also the ESV has been updated as manuscripts come out, so I'm not sure what the LSB gives, unless it's just an updated NASB for churches that already use it? But most good churches use ESV now, and I doubt they will switch to LSB

[@DavidJMcBrayer]

@@headsofhiphop The “Legacy” title is in reference to keeping the faithful translation of the NASB alive given the changes Lockman made to the 2020 editions. Had it been a brand new translation, the editors all working at Master’s would be a cause for concern, but NASB 1977 and then 1995 has had a healthy review that they used as a base. And all of the translation notes and philosophy is all publicly available. I also enjoy the ESV, but having a translation that capitalizes references to God as well as the uniformity of translation (same Hebrew or Greek word = the same English word unless justifiable) puts the LSB just slightly ahead in my opinion. ESV also enjoys wider adoption in study materials and books, so that certainly helps.

[@headsofhiphop]

@@DavidJMcBrayer I see those points, but I think it would get better adoption if they included some other denominations. I also am uncomfortable with one group makimg judgement calls like "unless justifiable". And I'm very much in their camp. I also am not sure about the Yahweh vs LORD wording, and if you'll watch the Lutheran satire Jehovah witnesses video, you will know why :)

[@DavidJMcBrayer]

@@headsofhiphop C’mon Patrick! 😆 That was a great video!

[@billyrobinson6803]

Yep I watch this video again 😊 I love learning about our history of the Holy Bible ❤

[@detached]

Just watched one of Dan Wallace's recent lectures. For 30 years, the man has been answering the question, "Do we have the word of God?"

[@Terrylb285]

An ounce of evidence is worth more than a pound of presumption (Dan Wallace).

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Evidentialism is external rationalism applied to the Bible. The Textus Receptus is the providentially preserved word of God and accurately preserves the original autographs.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

​@@Terrylb285An ounce of bluster contributes to tons of baloney.

[@cranmer1959]

The answer is always no. That's because we do not have the original autographs. So Dan Wallace is basically lying to you. Of course, the reason he's lying is because he wants to sell you modernist textual criticism, not the providential preservation of the text in the Textus Receptus.

[@Harold-mb6sj]

An ounce of bluster contributes to tons of baloney. Describes the KJV only cult, idolatry, hypocrisy and outrageous lies precisely

[@saintsheepy6682]

I'm surprised that the RSV wasn't in this debate; it's the translation the pastor at my church uses. I do think the KJV is fine (although I consider the ESV to be the most accurate version), but KJV Onlyists irritate me; the KJV is not the only good translation (this is from someone who has most of the Bibles in his Bible collection as KJVs), I'm sure that God did not intend for His Word to just be in the archaic, Elizabethan-era English, and it's definitely not a beginner's choice for someone who's new to the Bible, the only way I'd be able to understand it would be a Study Bible (but even then and there, you'd gotta be careful as some footnotes could be inaccurate). Regardless, being a ✝and following Jesus does not rely on whatever translation you use.

[@jesseljones4991]

I am a KJV only Christian. I do not bash others for using modern translations. I have been convinced that modern translations are corrupt and not the pure preserved words of God. I am honestly saddened that Christians have moved away from the KJB in favor of new translations. I believe wholeheartedly that the KJB is perfect and the pure words of God. And I have compared hundreds of verses and thousands of words in the KJB to 40+ modern bibles and I see very clearly where doctrines are changed, where the deity of Christ is put in question, where there are blatant errors, and where the modern translations make Jesus a liar. I simply cannot in good conscious read and believe anything but the KJB as I only speak English and I have full confidence that God preserved His word for us to have like he has always done. I believe anyone can learn to read and understand the KJB through study, discipline and most importantly the power of the Holy Spirit. I was not always KJVO but as I learned how to rightly divide the Word of Truth I was convinced of the KJVO stance and I began to learn to read and understand it. There were hiccups and I needed clarification and I admittedly used the ESV to help give understanding at times and also the dictionary, but now I do not need to supplement the KJB with anything except for a dictionary and concordance at times when I am studying. I pray that more Christians will look deeply into where these modern bibles come from, and why they came about. The history of it all is astonishing and I pray that the Lord God continue to help us all increase in the knowledge of Him and the Love of Christ Amen. God bless you.

[@saintsheepy6682]

@@jesseljones4991 We'll have to agree and disagree on this.

[@n9wff]

What the argument never tends to go. The KJV used the collection of Greek manuscripts as resources. Modern translations use the Nestle-Eland Novum Testamentum Graece, the Westcott and Hort Greek New Testament translation of 1881, which all mainly come from the Codices Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, which were hidden from the public for thousands of years. Why were they hidden for so long? Especially the Sinaiticus, which was missing for 1500 years. If it were the true Word of God, why was it gone from the public and not used during those times? Very few scholars want to talk about Westcott and Hort's view of the KJV and their occultic views, well hidden from the Church of England. Two different sets of manuscripts: the KJV relied on the Majority Text while modern versions rely on the Minority, or Alexandrian Text. Until one compares the two, the origins, and decent knowledge of the translations, one cannot fully define which is the most accurate just by reading the Bible, like many of the younger generation do today.

[@n9wff]

@@jesseljones4991 I did some research and found since 1965, modern scholars have created about 70 translations, all which come from the Westcott/Hort Greek New Testament and Nestle-Elands Novum Testamentun Graece, which is in the 28th Edition since the start of the 20th century. Why do we need so many translations? Can't these scholars all agree on one?

[@jesseljones4991]

@@n9wffI believe the god of this world (satan) according to 2 Corinthians 4:4 is behind all of these modern translations. I also believe money motivates man to continue to make new translations. Revisions also tend to come along to appease groups of people and to water down doctrines. It’s just as it was in the beginning, satan is powerless against the Word of God, but if he can get people to question the Word of God he can blind men and cause believers in Christ to be less fruitful. The Word of God calls us to all speak the same thing in 1 Corinthians 1:10, so satan has attacked the Word of God and populated the world with corrupt translations to cause divisions among the Body because we can’t all speak the same things when there is not a single authority but there are hundreds of perversions casting doubt on what God has said. Hope this makes sense to you, God bless you as you continue to study.

[@kims144]

It seems to my non-western eyes that KJVO people produce a lot of legalist Christians. Christians washed in the blood but highly judgemental of others. It broke my heart that most 2 out of 3 of KJVO would split churches(not building but believers; flesh and blood) over an English translation.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

And fake Evangelicals undermine the providential preservation of the autographs with percentages and approximations.

[@sethplace]

Amen.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@@sethplace No, man.

[@sethplace]

@@ThomasCranmer1959 yes. I didn’t come to know Christ through any one translation.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@@sethplace I came to know Christ through the KJV. Am I unsaved because I didn't read multiple translations based on alternate Greek texts or variants?

[@Joel-kw9tj]

Excellent point by Daniel Wallace starting at 1:42:01

[@bubbamac187]

GOLDEN VIDEO CONTENT 👌

[@rockhoya10]

This all comes down to these kjv only persons believe the version is inspired by God. No need to go to the greek or Hebrew as Gipp said around 1:39-1:40 hour and minute mark. It’s mind numbing and one of the craziest cults I have ever seen

[@carynmason3421]

Dr. James White has aged well!

[@voicecryinginthewilderness]

So has the KJV

[@craigime]

@@voicecryinginthewilderness kinda

[@emmanuelmakoba6085]

​@@voicecryinginthewilderness😂😂

[@femiwilliams7906]

When I first started the video, I couldn't spot James White :) @@emmanuelmakoba6085

[@yougetagoldstar]

nice :)@@voicecryinginthewilderness

[@AgeDeo2009]

We have to be very careful not to put God in a box, limiting His ability to preserve His holy word only one way. Scripture says, our ways are not God's ways and His thoughts not our thoughts. Knowledge of the Biblical manuscript history clearly proves God sovereignty in protecting and preserving His word for us.

[@dkl5061]

“But you, beloved ones, remember the words spoken before by the emissaries of our Master יהושע Messiah, because they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own wicked lusts. These are the ones who cause divisions, not having the Spirit. But you, beloved ones, building yourselves up on your most set-apart belief, praying in the Set-apart Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of Elohim, looking for the compassion of our Master יהושע Messiah unto everlasting life.” ‭‭Yehuḏah (Jude)‬ ‭1‬:‭17‬-‭21‬

[@mikec5054]

The 1611 is also a new version. To say the group of men who came up with the KJV are inspired is idolatry.

[@cranmer1959]

Daniel Wallace's claim to infallibly know that the longer ending to Mark's Gospel is not original is equally idolatrous.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Did God providentially preserved the autographs in the Textus Receptus? The Westminster Confession of Faith says so in Ch. 1:8.

[@mikec5054]

The Westminster confession of Faith is mistaken @@ThomasCranmer1959

[@kc17821]

Let the Holy Spirit guide us

[@randyd9805]

I did exactly that and that's why I still use and always will use the KJV. Anyone who thinks the so-called "critical text" which is the basis for almost all modern translations is correct, really hasn't looked at this with the help of the Holy Spirit and does not truly believe in either divine inspiration of the scriptures or God's preservation of the text of scripture. The critical texts are so flawed that a blind man should see them with little to no help. The omissions and changes to all versions based on the critical text are so many and so glaringly important that it amazes me anyone uses them because they think they are better than the KJV. They are not IMHO even close to the KJV for accuracy and just as important, completeness. While the inspiration of the Bible is a vital doctrine, the preservation of the very words of scripture is equal to it in every way. This is where the modern translations based on extremely corrupted manuscripts fall apart. I trust no man who does not believe that the words of God are preserved for us today. When I was a new Christian in the Navy, I got saved age 20 y/o. I used the KJV because it was all I knew. I got the idea that I needed another translation or two. That was all my idea, so I'm not blaming God for my ignorance. I purchased the NASB which is supposed to be a conservative scholarship translation. I also purchased the RSV which is based on the critical texts. Of the two the NASB is better but still has some deep flaws because of leaning on the critical text while the RSV is a Satanic translation in my view as is any version based on the critical text. I WAS led by the Holy Spirit not to use either of them and I never will for the rest of my life. If you can't understand the KJV it is because the Holy Spirit is not teaching you or opening your understanding. That is the simple truth. The source of the real problem with almost every new translation is the Greek texts they're based on are extremely corrupt and I do mean so corrupt that to call them Bibles is a misuse of the word. Only the Holy Spirit of God can open up the scriptures to any believer. A new translation won't make that any better IMHO.

[@CzechDog2022]

@@randyd9805 My Mormon co-worker makes similar claims

[@randyd9805]

​@@CzechDog2022 All Mormons use and rely heavily upon books that are outside of the Bible. They also are expert at twisting doctrines to make it appear that they are teaching the same thing as other Christians such as salvation by grace. Mormonism is a cult because they believe a false view of the Bible, Jesus Christ, the afterlife, and many, many other things that are in total opposition to the Bible. Joseph Smith was pure evil and has led many people into false doctrine. The extra-Biblical books such as the Book of Mormon and Pearl of Great Price are literally inspired, not by God, but by demons. No Mormon will make the same claims I did above other than perhaps that they believe the KJV is the best translation. Make no mistake about it though, they DO NOT believe what true believers in Christ do and they are not Christians, period. If a Mormon truly does get born again they will LEAVE that cult and many have done exactly that. I'm not saying they are bad people. As people go they are mostly honest hard hard-working, moral people, but they are following doctrines that will end them up in hell for eternity.

[@Sola_Scriptura_1.618]

This debate is amazing. This is a boxing match heard around the world!

[@ShooterReview]

Amen. I read and compare multiple translations. Primary being the NASB

[@robertrodrigues7319]

Me too. I now use the LSB ie Legacy Standard Bibie ..which is the Nasb 95 updated ie LORD correctly changed to Yahweh

[@oscarfabi_]

@@robertrodrigues7319 I read LSB and KJV, KJVonlyism doesn't make sense and is almost cultish, any Bible translation that is true to the original Hebrew and Greek and doesn't alter doctrines is a copy of the Word of God.

[@catholictruth102]

Try the DRA

[@jrm1987murphy]

I used to believe that KJV was the only way to go until i accepted that the NIV and NKJV and others still contain the good news and people can still come to know the Lord through these other translations. I now use KJV and NIV.

[@Your_MInd_is_A_weapon]

But how can you accept omission of words and verses?

[@maxxiong]

@@Your_MInd_is_A_weapon The textual basis of a translation doesn't determine its quality otherwise. People that follow Byzantine text or majority text still use a major translation rather than something like the WEB.

[@Your_MInd_is_A_weapon]

@@maxxiong That's a lie, you cannot have the words Lord, Jesus, Christ removed from scripture and say that it makes no difference. Christ is removed 30 times, Jesus 15 times, Lord 16 times and the Niv does not describe Jesus Christ as once begotten son of God. And my inclination is that if you say that omissions do not matter, is to question how much do you really care about the word of God? Do you really love Jesus Christ that came in the flesh and was the word of God in the flesh?

[@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084]

as an atheist i think if you went back in time and presented Jesus with the gospels, he wouldn't recognise the stories were about him.

[@Your_MInd_is_A_weapon]

@@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084 As an atheist there is nothing stopping your from lying.

[@aykaleksanyan2161]

very very much enjoyed of this program and discussions. Just want to mention that fairly the KJV advocates here do not match to the others with there education or field of specialty, meaning textual criticism. However the "translator's discussion" was awsome here. Thank you.

[@graceb710]

Great point. Often these debates are organized by advocates of newer translations and they will purposely pick uneducated, fundamentalist KJVO types to represent their opposing arguments, so that their side appears more accurate. It would be more fair to choose educated and scholarly KJV advocates to debate them.

[@henrylaurel1188]

​@@graceb710"Educated" and "scholarly" KJV only advocates are still wrong. No matter how educated or scholarly they are supposed to be. Scripture does not support the KJV only heresy.

[@brucelyons7448]

2:50:20 mark...AMEN!!! Dr. James White summed it all up best right at that point. Case closed we are all blessed with all these translations

[@raycurryjr1925]

This was a slaughter.

[@DavidJHarris43]

Dan Wallace is a gift.

[@pipinfresh]

This is hilarious, it's like watching a bunch of stubborn teenagers getting schooled by their parents 😂

[@mikefromusa6902]

That 80s Ken Doll hair is hypnotic

[@craighill5827]

😂

[@kriegjaeger]

Amazing to see the gentlemen discussing this spirited but not spiteful it seems. I have Geneva and King James but started with NLT, though over time I've found a few points I've disagreed with in it, namely The Lord sent fire from the Lord out of heaven in the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah was a big one for me, they replaced "Lord out of heaven" with "sky" when this is an extremely important mystery demonstrating the Lord's nature as more than one, breadcrumbs of the trinity even in the old testament, multiple in Genesis alone. Also usage of "Jealousy" where it should be "Envy" and a few nitpicks. I use BSB, HCSB, and New KJ most frequently.

[@Ellomarshall50]

When sharing the gospel with unbelievers, do kjv-only people speak with kjv 1611 language? If not, why? If you're goal is to share the message of the gospel to an unsaved person and you do so using your own modern language and that person is converted, what does that say about the so called extra special power of the kjv? These men are claiming that the language of 1611 or 1700 something has God ordained power over the other newer translations. So why don't kjv only people speak that way all the time? Especially when they're preaching, teaching or sharing the gospel? The reason is because you know no one will understand you and you want them to understand you so they'll hear God's revelatory message about Christ and be saved. The kjv only position is insanely illogical. Kjv only people don't even practice what they preach. And I'm really tired of this debate. In 50 years or so, the kjv only people will be mostly gone and that, sadly, is a good thing.

[@JasonHenderson]

I don't believe KJV only actually share the Bible with other people. The church I grew up in had about 45 members. I think they're down to 5 or 10? They believe the great commission was only given to the original 12. They indoctrinate their children into the church, if that doesn't work then the church just dies.

[@mark9531]

To KJV Onlyist, KJVOnlyism *IS* The gospel

[@CzechDog2022]

I have heard my Pentecostal types decreeing and declaring in the 1611 language...then go back to plain EnGrish a moment later. My take away is our Creator speaks the Queen's EnGrish

[@henrylaurel1188]

I have asked the same question. Why do the KJV only cultist not speak in KJV English? Because no one would understand them. Yet they try to squeeze Almighty God into some archaic imperfect uninspired translation. Even though the heavens and heaven of heavens cannot contain him. Really shows the double standards and hypocrisy of the KJV only cult.

[@hankgreenburggames]

The stubbornness of kjv onlyists is pretty impressive.

[@MostlyReformed]

Right?!

[@kellydunn7113]

impressive?

[@bible1st]

We are confident.

[@Jonathankevin7]

We are stubborn for the truth!

[@theydontknowmeson007]

I believe this whole 3.5hr video can be summed up too "The KJVO guys don't want to admit when they are wrong so they refuse to allow further evidence to enter the picture."

[@rocko100able]

1 John 4:11 “Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.” 👇 👉Hebrews 4:12 “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Hebrews 4:13 “Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.”