The Anker SOLIX F3800 - What Other Channels Don't Show You!

[@Jasonoid]

UPDATE! Fix the 240v SHUTOFF issue by doing THIS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDdi5abd7yNfs0

[@anadventure6693]

would this be able to power a small residential whole house AC?

[@webstaify]

Lots of video reviews out there that are more like Anker commercials and this is the only review I could find that was actually a review and not an infomercial. Thank you and well done!

[@tiger23800]

Right. Sometimes I skipped over videos that are sponsored. They are fake reviews, fake reactions, and just downright awful. Jasonoid is one of the real ones.

[@willhall7777]

​@@tiger23800 I totally agree 💯

[@Noelshepherd]

The best solar generator reviews on KZbin. The unit has a lot going for it especially the 240 and the clean sine wave and 240 volt split phase. I wish the engineers would gonna back and rethink the 60 volt limit; I think that’s a real issue because you have to limit your ability to connect your panels in series. I like the higher voltage due to distance of my panels to the units. (Backyard to house) I don’t like the fact that you take advantage of faster charging by using both the AC and solar panels at the same time. Hurricanes in Florida will sometimes take down the grid for a week or more. There will be times when you want to do a quick charge and use both an inverter generator and solar panels at the same time. I think the unit has great potential; however, it has kinks that have to be worked out.

[@JFabric500]

that would take a lot of transformers which are heavy. This is designed with the ability to pick it up. Transformers would add 30lbs atleast.

[@Forevertrue]

I agree completely. I understand they cannot be everything to everybody But I would be running a small AC unit and two fridges, 3 tablets. and a couple of computers and monitors on and off. I would not like shutting down the AC for 2 hours all at once and extension cords are out of the question. I would be charging with solar and it doesn't match the power needed to keep everything running. They are certainly on the right track.

[@brucehalleran1149]

What Noel said. For us, this is a standard grid drop backup that needs to have week+ ability in case of SHTF. The need to completely rewire my grid tied array for 60vdc doesn't make it more convenient than dragging out the Vanguard for a day or two. TrickinTricking the Solar Edge inverter to send AC to the house just makes the battery unit shut off the 240v outlet running the critical loads panel. The coup de Gras is the idle thirst of the inverter. This looks like exactly what I need, and in budget too, but the devil is in the details.

[@graxxor]

@@JFabric500 Maybe they could provide one of those additional external packs that instead of higher charge capacity handles higher voltages... Nice option to have.

[@MannyWC]

Completely agree about needing higher voltage limit. This is a no go for me. As much a I despise Blutetti’s lack of customer service, I guess I will stick with my AC300- 150 v limit.

[@westenlemmon9860]

Outstanding production sir. I have no critique for you. No unnecessary music, got right to the point, all very pertinent tests and info. Best review I've seen. Do more!

[@BartZ4037]

His review of the F3800 is outstanding. I’ve been looking at the unit for ~1 month and without question his assessment and understanding of this power station is very helpful. Thanks!

[@Chris-ux3cw]

What did you end up buying?

[@RVDenny]

I just recently purchased the Anker F3800. I had to a few questions that I didn't think of before I bought it. You were very thorough and covered all my questions. Thank you for making this video.

[@Flarin]

How loud is it though?

[@BuildingAffordable]

I do own one and learned more from you than reading the manual.

[@PhongNguyen-ov7jq]

I could not verify the auto-off feature for 30 minutes before. I contacted Anker support and learned that if you use any of the USB-A ports or the 12V ports, it will not "close" until 2 hours later, then the time out for 30 minutes starts after it closes. So even when you set the time out to 30 minutes, the F3800 won't shut down until 2.5 hours after there is no more load on the USB-A port. Similar with the AC output ports, they take 30 minutes of inactivity to "close", then another 30 minute of the time out set, so the F3800 will not auto shutdown until 1 hour after the outlets have 0A load with a 30 minute time-out set.

[@willhall7777]

Great information. Thank you for sharing this 🙏

[@chitownholmes]

I am still learning. A year ago i had no idea of this terminology but able to follow along now. Still learning how to use the equipment used in th testing and why. Please continue making these presentations, I like the funny ones as well. you are a great presenter ☺

[@ConsultantMerciaMur-SAY]

Can you charge an electric car with it? I don't have one, I just am trying to understand.

[@escheidl]

Another great review Jason. You set the bar very high for all reviews and yours are second to none. I'm not in the market for something like this at this time, but you helped me very much to build up my knowledge so I can make an intelligent decision when the time does come. Thank you for your time and sacrifice to help keep us in the know of what's available and what's good and not so good about it. It also helps the manufacturer know where there's need for improvement. Thank you very much. 👍👌

[@Jasonoid]

That's exactly my goal and purpose for doing these in depth review videos! I want the buyer to be well educated about the product to the point where they know if it's right for them or not. Thanks for being a channel member :)

[@escheidl]

@@Jasonoid Of course. Thank you for all your work and dedication.

[@Glen26]

Thank you. I like your honesty. This is why I follow the likes of Will Prowse, TechmanSolar and Jasonoid for solar power videos. Honest, transparent, impartial and professional. Unlike a number of big influencers who sing from the manufacturer's hymn sheet.

[@DougBernitt]

Prouse is great and very honest!

[@DougBernitt]

I want to run a 240 vac well pump for 6 hours! Is this possible when I lose grid power using a Xfer switch that be done automatically? The pump motor is 1-1/2 hp. 4.8 amps running.

[@southend26]

Excellent review as always.

[@Forevertrue]

As always top-notch reviews and likely one of the top two on the internet. You seem to cover everything I have questions about or need to know on a subject. Keep them coming. Long time subscriber.

[@SilentGloves]

Just endured 48 hours without power here in Ohio, so I am finally relenting on a backup solution. I'm deciding between this, the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra, and the Bluetti AC500 + 2 x B300K. For my use case, which is more about tucking it in the corner of my office, and using it as a UPS and then stringing a couple extension cables to critical loads when needed (fridge, network gear), this is the clear winner. I found your video because I was specifically looking for someone with a scope to measure the quality of the sine wave and UPS switch times (this seems like an absolutely essential piece of equipment to test these device, and almost no one uses one in reviews, which makes those reviews inherently suspect to me). Right now, You can get the F3800 + 1 added battery for $4,099, which is $0.57/Wh. That seems like a screaming deal.

[@Jasonoid]

I wanted to find the actual speed of the UPS cutover so I found a way to do it. I never knew how to record on an Oscilloscope but after a few hours of research I found out how to do it. Glad you found that info helpful, it's a lot of work to do such in depth testing. I think that's a great price for what you're getting! Enjoy 👍

[@rabbitdaze2243]

This is 100% what ineed in conjunction with a gas generator for off grid living thank you for the very informative in depth video

[@mannys4036]

I've watched five reviews of this product and this review was the best. Why? He speaks clearly and at a good pace which is important. For me, what stuck out was total watts vs. actual running watts. They should add this information to the packaging like gas generators do. They show peak surge watts and actual running watts. I always find this somewhat deceptive with power stations. Because it is a mobile unit, I would use it in an RV but not as a home backup because of the limited solar voltage. I think the standard should be 150 max for this type of unit in this price range. For home back up, I would go with the Delta Pro Ultra. I don't yet understand the 240 volts inputs yet. Would love to see videos dedicated to what you could use them for and their respective applications. For example, could I plug in my home dryer and run it? I know people are looking at these systems as a cheaper way to home backup which is great. There is a lot to like about this power station, but seriously, how are going to incorporate XT connections for the solar inputs and not include the adapters? Anker is good but they are seriously lacking when it comes to what people are looking for regarding solar inputs and capacity. I would actually go with the Zendure Superbase V with expansion batteries because the 240 volts is not of particular importance in my application at this time. This was an awesome video; thank you Jason once again.

[@debidee5548]

They're not going to include the adapters until you buy their solar panels then they see there's a need and they definitely want it to be compatible. The basic setup is AC charging.

[@whitefreeman5798]

thank you for the thorough and honest reviews that you do

[@Jasonoid]

IMPORTANT UPDATE: The solar input voltage/amperage has changed on the Anker SOLIX F3800! support.anker.com/s/article/Anker-SOLIX-F3800-Portable-Power-Station-USER-GUIDE--A1790 Solar Input Changes BELOW: OLD: 11-32V 10A; 32V-60V 25A (1200W Max, firmware 1.7.8 or earlier version) NEW: 11-28V 10A; 28V-60V 27A Max (1200W Max, firmware 2.0.9 or later version) The new changes will make this compatible with more 400w solar panels in parallel! Upgrade your firmware to see the changes.

[@willhall7777]

Thank you

[@debidee5548]

That's not bad it sounds like they're listening.

[@doug1olson]

The lack of 240v output while A/C charging would be a deal breaker for me. I would want to use it connected to circuits on my transfer switch sub panel and have it connected to A/C charging on a timer to only charge during off peak electric rates.

[@thechamp66]

Similar issue with EcoFlow. Solution: Switched Mode Power Supply (SMPS) This is a useful device from a third party that can be purchased with different specification depending on the power station it is used with. Reasons for using SMPS with Delta Pro: 1. Double Voltage Hub (DVH) is in use with 2 Delta Pros 2. AC loads on the Delta Pro (DP) will exceed 1,800 watts 3. Non-inverter type generator which does not output pure sine wave Alternating Current (AC) to charge Delta Pro 4. Manual Transfer Switch (MTS) users wanting to charge from AC power source connected to same electrical system. 5. When a Delta Pro (DP) already has 2 Extra Batteries (EBs) connected to it. 6. allow users to charge 1 DP + 2Extra Batteries (EBs) via DC power using the DP’s XT60i solar input port at the maximum charging rate of 1,600 watts. 7. Allow users to charge 2 DP + 4 Extra Batteries (EBs) via DC power using the DP’s XT60i solar input port at the maximum charging rate of 1,600 watts. 8. Demonstration with a 1,500 watt SMPS here kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYeooqmCnq2raNk

[@SEaudiofan]

Me too

[@SEaudiofan]

So how is this unit used with their grid tie smart panel? With that you can adjust/balance your output power between the 2, so you are obviously feeding outputs, but not allowing input charging?? I'm confused.

[@kingcrimson234]

Look into all-in-one hybrid inverters plus a battery from companies like SunGoldPower, GroWatt or EG4. It's not going to be a clean single all-in-one setup like this Anker, but it'll be way more functional as a home backup. You'll also get higher output inverters and more battery capacity for similar or less money than the Anker which costs about $3000. I went with SunGold's equipment. 10,000 watt inverter and 25.6 kWh of battery capacity wired into my manual transfer switch for about $11,000. It'll run my house for days without any grid input. Most of the cost is because I bought five batteries. If I only bought a single 5.12 kWh battery, it would have all cost less than this Anker but with 33% more battery capacity and almost double the maximum power output. I added a dedicated 50 amp circuit to my main panel that acts as the AC input feed to my hybrid inverter. It charges the batteries and is also used to pass through grid power to my transfer switch when not running off battery. It's also totally seamless switching, power goes between grid and battery sources without a hiccup from any appliance in the house. I wouldn't even know there's a power outage unless I look at my oven clock since it's one of the few appliances not connected to the battery backup. It also *automatically* can run your house off the batteries during peak hours and recharge them during off-peak. It's amazing, I love this setup. It's been going for nearly a year now without any problems. There's a learning curve when first configuring the system, but it's very much worth it. Also, I don't have solar panels yet, but it does support them if I decide to buy some.

[@TheToxicTank]

Answered all my lingering questions after watching 7 other videos. Great work!

[@Jasonoid]

I have a couple of other in depth F3800 videos as well.

[@minceym]

Jason, great review, the best on KZbin. Thank You!

[@Jasonoid]

Wow, thanks!

[@tedk2814]

absolutely the best review of ANKER Solid power station. I bought an ANKER model 767 a little over a year ago and am very satisfied with my purchase. Today, I would have purchased this unit as it has split phase 240 for feeding my house but I hired an electrician to put that huge plug on the outside of my house, fat extension cord and an interlock switch on the main breaker box. The 767 has max wattage of 2048 but is expandable. Im waiting on a sale of the expansion batteries if that happens. No issues with solar adapter inputs, I have the proper adapter plugs that allow solar to the Anker style input plug. You did a great job conveying the pros and cons of this power station. None better on the internet. You know the specs so well I wonder if you are an Anker engineer. Thanks again!!!

[@glopezur]

Excellent and thorough review Jason; thank you. I purchased my F3800 plus expansion battery on Kickstarter and love it. One thing that you forgot to mention is that when in UPS mode(AC charging and AC inverter on), the max AC input is brought down to 1440W from the 1800W MAX.

[@Jasonoid]

Thank you for clarifying that! You are correct, the UPS mode is limited to 1440 watts.

[@Redneck_Ed]

17:10 and 29:35 If you have a large gas generator, the other option would be that you charge the F3800 at 1800W from the 120V AC plug on the gas generator while simultaneously using the 240V output on the gas generator to feed your transfer switch. Your gas generator might not be big enough to power all of this at once, but is probably enough to charge the F3800 + power critical loads without running a bunch of extension cords.

[@cyberspark1341]

Another thorough review from you. Nicely done.

[@InfoSecTangSoo]

With their current sale going on you can get the F3800 + extended battery, 400W Solar panel, Home Backup Kit, and 40L EverFrost Cooler with battery (as a "gift") for $5199. If you're in the US (and I'm reading the requirements correctly), you should also be able to get the 30% Residential Clean Energy Credit on this package, too. At that price point, and not factoring the credit, it would be about $0.68/wH, which would check off #2 on the rating scale, and improve the grade to a 9.0 (A-). I've had this kit in my cart for the past few days, going between it and the EcoFlow Delta Pro. I think this video just checked the box for me and helped me make my decision.

[@Jasonoid]

I have a future video coming out soon on how to keep the 240v output enabled while AC charging. That's the biggest flaw of this unit right now. The charging idea requires an additional purchase but it seems to work well 👍

[@InfoSecTangSoo]

@@Jasonoid fantastic! I just pulled the trigger today on the F3800. Even without the 240v enabled while AC charging it still fit about 90% of my use case(s). But having that option available would be great! Looking forward to your video.

[@christianperez3320]

There's not a single thing you skipped over I appreciate you!!

[@Jasonoid]

Make sure you check out my other F3800 videos going over workarounds to make it a better model!

[@AlanM-rm6cl]

Jason, I've watched all the F3800 videos and yours is by far the most comprehensive. Thanks so much for the DC input tests. Unfortunately your results were the same as mine, so my idea of using one device to feed four inputs on two F3800's is out the door. I was trying to skip the 48v server rack battery and charge all four ports in an extended outage with an EG4 chargeverter and my inverter generator. So now thinking of one EG4 48v server battery to take care of one port on each F3800 and the chargeverter for the other two ports. I got these at the Kickstarter 45% off rate but for my use case it appears the Ecoflow Ultra would work better for me but at a much higher cost. Also don't love the poor reviews of Ecoflow's customer service. Love that power supply you used. Looks like a beast. Thanks again for such a great review.

[@Jasonoid]

There are definitely ways around the quirks of the 60v limit. I just showed a couple options. Since you got such a great deal on this model it's definitely worth getting something that works for you.

[@andrewvillavicencio8496]

agreed, I was thinking of charging it the same way, 48V through the solar inputs.

[@jacobpetersen5662]

EF customer service have been TOP NOTCH for me. Used it twice.

[@michaeltang4975]

I recently bought the F3800 and your video has helped me understand how it works. Thank you Jason.

[@Jasonoid]

Awesome! I’m happy to help you understand how to use it.

[@ModiAdams]

Thank you for such an amount of effort and info. One of the most detailed, professional and in-depth reviews of such a criteria. I'm thankful for youtube algorithm for recommending such a video to me! Keep it up, man and have a good one :)

[@garagejim1956]

Another great review, Jason. This unit is far beyond my needs, yet the information was excellent.

[@Jasonoid]

Thanks for supporting the channel, Jim!

[@rmp5s]

Dude...friggin epic vid. You just kept busting out more awesome testing hardware and more things to test..."thorough" is an understatement!! You got my sub!!

[@Jasonoid]

Wow, thank you!

[@rmp5s]

@@Jasonoid For sure. Well deserved. I know all that gear ain't cheap! #dedication

[@DaaimShabazz]

Just bought one. This was the most thorough review I've seen.

[@Jasonoid]

Thanks for watching! I'm glad you found the information helpful!

[@vladborisov2374]

As a sound engineer I really appreciate you testing the frequency interference. I have a recording studio at home and although it it on the other side of the house, it is very useful information in case I would want to renovate my studio.

[@EVMANVSGAS]

Wow, you really do a thorough testing of these power stations! Actually the best review I have ever seen. Keep up the good reviews, you've earned a sub.

[@alimesghali8704]

Thank you, thank you, so much for NOT wasting my time with BS. This is a great, informative post from beginning to end. Other KZbin content providers need to learn from you.

[@ungovernable429]

I live is western NC and just had power restored after 13 days. I'm new to solar and so far this is the best review I have come across. It would be great if you could load up the Solix and take it to an EV charging station to recharge

[@bobworkman2807]

Seems there are more of us from wnc that are looking for non gas operated options

[@rayondrejech5345]

Brand new to backup power. I learned a lot. Thank you very much.

[@richardsimons4059]

I recently bought an Airstream and was using the Anker Solix as source power. Worked great until I installed a hardwired Hughes WatchDog surge protector. It did not like that connection because it detected an open ground and would not connect to the Anker. By double clicking the 204V button it bonded the neutral and ground. All is well, now. Thanks for such a thorough review.

[@CityPrepping]

Amazing breakdown. Thanks for putting this together.

[@Jasonoid]

It's got some quirks with the 240v shutting off, but it's priced well! 👍 I'll be waiting to see your large power station breakdown soon

[@davidparsons5513]

I've had my eye on this one for a while. The lack of 240v output while charging from AC isn't a big deal to me. Chances are that if you're using the 240v out, it's probably because you're in backup mode and there isn't any 120v input available anyway. Also, the 120v charge input is about 1700w max, and you're probably drawing a lot more that that if using the 240v output. The 1700w input would give you a little bit more run time, but the draw will be faster than the charge. I would not be using pass-thru or UPS modes, a much smaller UPS at the usage point would fit my usage better than having the 3800 co-located with my sensitive devices. Saw a few comments on lack of an RV outlet. 50a to 30a RV adapters for under $10 at wallymart.

[@Jasonoid]

I think the main scenario where you'd charge off 120v and want 240v output is where the power is out, solar is junk and your backup charging option is a gas generator. So as long as the sun is always around it shouldn't be an issue. I guess that depends on the climate you live in.

[@davidparsons5513]

@@Jasonoid If you have a gas generator, use it to power the house directly. The losses in all the conversions and cables from gas to 120v to battery charger to battery to inverter is huge comparatively. That scenario would be a last ditch effort for me. The only reason I might do that is to take advantage of the cleaner output of the 3800 vs gas generator, but my gas backup currently is a 9000w inverter generator. All that said, I have a feeling Anker will implement those desired features on the 3800 based on customer comments, so I'm ok to wait a bit for upgrades.

[@alexpickering7725]

Absolutely beautiful testing video! Great job man!

[@luisgonzalezjr.7465]

Well presented and very thorough review.

[@Jasonoid]

Thanks for watching

[@LarryRichelli]

Wow, the reason I sold my Delta Pros was just because I could not AC charge while connected to the 240v and now this one does the same. Bummer!

[@Jasonoid]

The owners manual doesn't talk about this, neither do many of the other review videos 🤷

[@hardtruth2039]

That’s why Ecoflow sells their smart DC generator. Then you can charge with the solar input as well as DC generator charging at the same time.

[@thechamp66]

Switched Mode Power Supply (SMPS) This is a useful device from a third party that can be purchased with different specification depending on the power station it is used with. Reasons for using SMPS with Delta Pro: 1. Double Voltage Hub (DVH) is in use with 2 Delta Pros 2. AC loads on the Delta Pro (DP) will exceed 1,800 watts 3. Non-inverter type generator which does not output pure sine wave Alternating Current (AC) to charge Delta Pro 4. Manual Transfer Switch (MTS) users wanting to charge from AC power source connected to same electrical system. 5. When a Delta Pro (DP) already has 2 Extra Batteries (EBs) connected to it. 6. allow users to charge 1 DP + 2Extra Batteries (EBs) via DC power using the DP’s XT60i solar input port at the maximum charging rate of 1,600 watts. 7. Allow users to charge 2 DP + 4 Extra Batteries (EBs) via DC power using the DP’s XT60i solar input port at the maximum charging rate of 1,600 watts. 8. Demonstration with a 1,500 watt SMPS here kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYeooqmCnq2raNk

[@ericcarbonell9927]

I’ve been through four hurricanes that passed directly over my city and many more that were close. Only three of them caused power outages more than an hour. The range was from 12 hours to over two months during Hurricane Hugo in 1987. During such a situation if you rely on one method to replace your needs, you can be taken out by unforeseen events. Gas- roads can block tankers cutting off supply. Unless you’re a gas station you could run out. People also like to steal in extended periods of no power. For themselves or to resell at inflated prices. During Irma’s I saw $350 generators going for 4x that much on eBay Weather can and will limit solar regeneration at least at night and this goes double for colder regions. The way to stay afloat is to layer sources and have redundant sources.

[@jacobortega3424]

Holy crap in-depth review! I still understand 95% of it but still great to see a rating!

[@captmichel8035]

Absolutely the most detail report on this Anker Excellent job. A quick correction you now can charge DC and AC at the same time :) 4 important update that needs to happen is being able to charge 120v while using 240v , get a higher solar input , UPS mode on 240 . and definitely a 30amp 12v output for rv camper would be a winner, the way for now to go around charging while using 240v is to use a amps 25a 60v dc to the solar input I tried it and it works well. get all this and then this unit will definitely be the best portable unit out there thanks

[@Jasonoid]

Yes! One good change, I just updated the firmware last week and now it dual charges.

[@PhongNguyen-ov7jq]

I suspect that the dual charging still doesn't solve the problem with not having power to the 240V outlets and the right 120V bank of outlets. That's because the inverter for the left bank is a bidirectional inverter and is still repurposed backward as an AC to DC converter (plus UPS passthrough) to charge up the batteries when power is applied to the AC charging input. The only problem it solves is that you can now charge the batteries faster using both the AC charging power (through the repurposed inverter) and the direct DC charging power. I bet you dual charging doesn't give you the 240V power that many people want. You need DC charging ONLY to let the left bank inverter work as normal inverter in order to supply 1 of the 2 legs of the 240V outlets. This is partially why the Anker Solix F3800 is cheaper but less robust than their competitors (like the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra). The EDPU probably uses a dedicated inverter to do AC charging, while Anker went cheap and repurpose one of its 2 inverters as a bidirectional inverter to do the AC charging, therefore causing the lack of a normal functioning inverter to power 1 of the 2 240V legs.

[@brx017]

My kind of guy. Using a legit oscilloscope one minute, then a freebie Harbor Freight multimeter the next. 😂 Seriously though, great content. I appreciate the thorough testing. Subscribed!

[@Jasonoid]

The HF probes are the only ones that fit into the outlet lol My other voltmeters have safety probes that won't fit!

[@mebaugh1]

Incredibly detailed, thorough and complete review!!!

[@jeff-millieesterline4209]

Awesome review! Thank you for sharing your awesome knowledge!

[@Jasonoid]

I do these videos for you guys! Thanks for watching.

[@JimMcPartland]

Great job, I like the idea of the larger units.

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@research903]

Anker should have designed the expansion battery to lock into place on top of the unit. Also, the expansion battery connectors should be on the top of the main unit and on the bottom of the expansion battery. When the expansion battery is set on top, moving a locking lever into place locks the units together and electrically connects them at the same time. Also, increase the diameter of the wheels. There is no guarantee that they will always be rolling on carpet or even a smooth floor. Feel free to suggest that to them in your review of the system.

[@Ck87JF]

Part of the reason for the existing design is for people who use the power station laying down or plugging in multiple batteries, at which point you're setting those next to it instead of stacking. Still, having some clips *would* be useful.

[@johnmal5975]

Nice unit I agree 100% with the flaws you pointed out. My bigger panels all put out 41 volts that maximum voltage input should of been higher. Geez my 2000 w pecron takes in 95 volts per solar input. Should of been 150 like most bigger power stations. Lack of attachments they need to correct that which is an easy fix that should be made. At the end of the day, its worth the money in my opinion. Whatever that's worth. Lol, great review as always!

[@Jasonoid]

I think there are many use cases the F3800 will work well for people. It has many of the newer features and the inverter performed well. No complaints from me about the performance. Just the charging options can make it limited.

[@Raycinjaycin]

Thank you for the straightforward video. You covered a ton of stuff very succinctly without a bunch of hub bub and unnecessary music. Subscribed!

[@Jasonoid]

You're very welcome!

[@JeremiahMcintosh]

Great job Jason and very thorough. I’ve reviewed one on my channel and the only thing I noticed that you missed is that the left solar input is disabled after 90% charge if there’s something plugged into both. Unfortunately I couldn’t get the expansion battery to charge or discharge on mine and I’m currently waiting for a replacement battery. I can’t wait to run my home from it again with the expansion battery because the unit itself has been working excellent!

[@Jasonoid]

I'm kinda bugged that none of these 'little facts' are in the owners manual.... The owners manual is too simple. I wish it had all the deets! Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@HansKeesom]

When the 240 output is connected to a transferswitch (so the generator input of it) no problem that it goes to 0 Volt while the unit is AC charging. The reason for it is that when you are AC charging that means there is AC coming from the grid and the transferswitch is using the grid anyway. For charging this battery from a generator when solar is not enought I would consider using the DC inputs or use the generator to feed both the transferswitch as the Anker, basicly feeding the whole group again.

[@bradkaral1188]

An excellent, objective review. Well explained, and well filmed. Thanks.

[@TheSzalkowski]

Nice Job, your testing answered all of my questions. I wish that the 240v output would stay on all of the time though.

[@Jasonoid]

I have a video coming out on Friday of this week trying a few alternative charging options. We'll see if I can come up with anything to improve that.

[@fasteddy1252]

Thanks. You covered a lot of my questions about this thing. I have the anker 767, and have been thinking about upgrading to this one.

[@solnaplaca]

Congratulations on the video I'm from Brazil

[@aa999xyz]

great information but what about having 2 of these benefits and drawbacks? The joining hub wiring and benefits/drawbacks thanks again

[@dlloyd6300]

Extremely well done and thorough video thank you!!!

[@jimoray3]

Great review as usual. You give the best content on the net. Very strong

[@utvhockinghills1113]

Great review. Thank you!

[@madsmix]

Fantastic Channel! Great find.

[@brirife]

Wow thanks for this. You've helped me make a purchasing decision on the power system.

[@Jasonoid]

Glad I could help!

[@leafnutz2341]

Great video again Jason. Just like the 767/F2000, the best panels I've found with these 60v input MPPTs are the Qcell 480 watt bifacials with their 53.38voc.

[@Jasonoid]

I was looking on Signature Solar earlier this week since someone emailed me about panels that were compatible and I found only a few options for parallel use. Those panels were on the list!

[@my23glock]

I would like to know more about the compatible panels you have found for the 767/F2000. I’m looking for one unit, possibly two max due to space limitations. Thanks.

[@Jasonoid]

@@my23glock the panels I shared on this video will work excellent on the F2000 as well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnfPg56Dop2lesU

[@ericbauer3412]

Nice thorough review. Was not an infomercial. Nice work and thanks!

[@dumluk1984]

Very thorough testing and information. thanks for your work.

[@spdfreakls1]

just found this channel! Great work!!! You earned yourself a subscriber!

[@rantmarket]

Wow. You crushed it with this, matching your I-thought-it-might-be-click-bait title with actual info I didn't find elsewhere! Thank you. I'm wondering if it's reasonable to use an external battery through the DC port (like the rack-mount you tested) and charge that battery directly with solar to get more inbound sun juice to that external battery? Is this just terrible hackery, or a clever work-around? Thanks (if you see this).

[@Jasonoid]

Yes! You can use a 48v battery as a DIY expansion battery, and also charge that with a charge controller that allows higher voltage. That's exactly what I do in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnfPg56Dop2lesU

[@rantmarket]

@@Jasonoid Wonderful. Exactly the information I needed. Thank you SO much for the reply and for both the excellent videos!

[@Keith80027]

Great review of the product that got to actual engineering tests with data. Thank you for test the two DC inputs with two different voltages. I have two sets of solar cells that I could use and they are at different voltages.

[@Jasonoid]

I have another video that goes over these items with a little more depth HERE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnfPg56Dop2lesU

[@muradsalameh9581]

Thats a professional review good job man thank you very much.

[@Jasonoid]

I appreciate that!

[@maxzanderv1]

Great review. Going to be switching my mobile detail business from gas to battery. I'll be getting this 3800.

[@Jasonoid]

I think thats a pretty cool use case! What are you plans for charging it back up if you need to while in the field?

[@maxzanderv1]

@@Jasonoid Two Bluetti DC1 chargers or use customers power if necessary. I believe it wont be an issue

[@MatthewKirchhof]

Fantastic review. Refreshing to see real tests performed

[@tommills8092]

Super review. I have followed you for over a year now and always learning. A couple of items on gen charging (17min). Per Anker the F3800 will not accept a gen with modified sine wave. Bummer with all the old gens used. My set up was to use the gen to subpanel and then charge the F3800 during the day off a house 120v outlet or use two with 240v adapter plug. Use the F3800 at night into subpanel. A bit of switching but workable. Still the issue here is that with my old gen, it will still put out a MSW so per Anker, I will need a chargeverter from house current to charge.

[@Jasonoid]

Correct, most power stations require a pure sine wave input to charge properly. That's definitely something to check out if you have an older genny, thanks for bringing that up!

[@deawallace3584]

From my Point of View, this video is great for people who know ALL about generators already, who understand all your special connectors, special batteries, special plugs and special terms. Those people most likely have generators already! Many non-expert people including myself, are researching trying to learn and choose a generator to purchase so we need basic explanations we can comprehend as we begin learning. How can we even tell what additional adapters and plugs are going to be needed, not included with this generator? A definite deal breaker is hearing you say "(fill in the blank) does not come with it, so buy it separately " Then there are are the cute whatevers you are hooking to it on top of the table. Ha. You are leaving behind many of us folks who have tons of money to spend on generators, but are frugal and will not jump in and make what could be a regrettable purchase due to complexities beyond our understanding until we research further.

[@Jasonoid]

These units require a bit of electrical understanding so you can use the properly. The learning curve is steep for many (it was for myself). The only way to get familiar with how these work and if you are getting a good deal is to keep watching content online, reading articles, and becoming familiar with the jargon. You can do it but it will take time 👍

[@deawallace3584]

@@Jasonoid Thank you. My spouse installed our Generac whole house backup, but he has dementia and we must move away so....I will do it, and learn as I can find time. I just installed a conversion kit from gas to propane in a Rinnai Exterior water heater, so I comprehend instructions. With the Lord's help, as an old grandma, I can do anything, just not everything. haha

[@dannydivine7699]

Add some barrel jacks on the DC output, and maybe let me bump that voltage up a bit in the app, I'd really like to see 13.8 -14.0 DC just to help keep the current down a little bit, Mainly for an "special use case probably exclusive to just me! Definitely need to be able to use dual charging with FULL ac output, and again let me prioritize one over the other as needs dictate! And yes a higher DC voltage input would probably be nice! I'm just starting to explore this arena right now, I'm starting small to experiment and learn

[@johntate5284]

This thing was a steal a few months back when they first introduced it at $2599, but even this price is pretty good for an all-in-one solution for 240 split phase. You really went all out on that BK Precision DC power supply, but you really can't beat quality. I don't think it is a quirk that the 240 split phase receptacles are not energized during 120 single phase charging as this would require an internal method of converting the 120 single phase into 240 split phase, which can be heavy (large center tap step up transformer, about 70 pounds) and expensive. A 3000 watt transformer for this purpose is more expensive than the Anker 3800! Also on a side note, common grounding of solar arrays violates the NEC in the US, and will void your home owners warranty if a fire results and it's found to be from common DC grounding of solar arrays. A very thorough review as always. This Anker is a refreshing product when compared with the pricier, multiple box and big cable alternatives from EcoFlow and Bluetti:)

[@Jasonoid]

I'm glad I finally pulled the trigger on the BK Precision. I'm hoping I can get that money back over time as people watch these videos. That thing is a beast but it allows for more thorough testing! Thanks for the heads up on the shared ground between solar arrays. I don't have any shared grounds on my solar arrays, that only happened when I was trying to charge from the same battery. The EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra has 120v input and 240v output at the same time but I'm not sure how they accomplished it. I think the 120v input is completely separate from the 240v output, almost like they have two separate inverters inside (120v and 240v).

[@LarryRichelli]

@@Jasonoid I am glad at least one other person understands that the Delta Pro Ultra can do this but Anker can't as they are simile sizes so the theory that it would take a much larger unit to do this is bunk!

[@johntate5284]

@@JasonoidThe way that EcoFlow does it is that it has 240 split phase input for charging, as well as 120. Since you have the new EcoFlow, you may want to try and see if the the split phase operates with only a single phase hooked up to the input. Having a UPS type of switch over may also contribute to the Anker not being able to provide 240 split phase while hooked up to the 120, as the UPS mode is only for 120 side. While the EcoFlow provides UPS functions for both 240 and 120, the Anker only provides UPS for the 120 section. It is half the price though!

[@MrDominicBrant]

Great reviews my friend. Just what `I need to think about before committing to an option. Still need to explore auto switching when I goes wrong when I'm away. I have a plan to change 'black out sockets' to red to remind users what and why they are.

[@finned958]

Great video, but I need to figure out if I can create a home standby system in a power outage. I am still considering a Generac 26 kw generator setup using natural gas. Can the Anker system just have one unit to power on kitchen appliances, wifi, and computers in a power outage or should I buy the extender or a second unit? These don’t last long either. I might need to replace in 10 years. The solar panel add-on might not work with the low voltage requirement. Sort of disappointing.

[@Jasonoid]

You could always build a system like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIvNnXWVZrB3l5I

[@lys1805]

I like this better than the ecoflow cause of its shape. I can put it in the garage in front of the car. And I can purchase batteries in the long run wo breaking the bank

[@Jasonoid]

I think formfactor is very important when buying a power station. I like how tall and narrow it is. It will fit much better in a tight corner than other models of the same size.

[@Elkfever]

Looking hard at this for my off grid cabin, correct me if Im wrong but one way to get around the charging with AC shutting down the 240VAC outlets would be to use a DC power supply on one of the DC charging ports, you could still have a solar array on the other port, while powering the DC power supply with say a gen set, while not idea that would be a work around.

[@Jasonoid]

Yes, DC Charging will keep the 240v input on. I made a video going through options here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnfPg56Dop2lesU

[@moecharms]

Amazing review.

[@mountainmarauder2575]

Excellent review. One question though; you mentioned that the solar inputs went into a controller but the voltage (higher) was 32-60 VDC (limited to 60V max). Does that mean the solar panels need their own controller to regulate the voltage prior to connecting to the F3800? Thanks.

[@Jasonoid]

The solar charge controllers are built in. All you have to do is connect the solar panels with the correct specification.

[@dwightjtaylor]

Great presentation, especially regarding the solar panel configuration, voltage and amps rating capacity.

[@Jasonoid]

Here's an in depth second video about this model to work around the 240vac shutoff while charging: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnfPg56Dop2lesU

[@roberthicks4248]

That is true, this was a true review and not an infomercial.

[@colinswift5665]

Amazing, thorough video. Thank you. I do have a different scenario for use that maybe you or some of your viewers could answer. In the UK there are different tariffs that allow use of cheap electricity at specific times. For my supplier it's 00:30 until 04:30 every day. I would like to charge up the F3800 during this time when the rate is reduced to 8p per 1kWh (10.4c USD). It's normally 30p during the day so approximately 3.5 times more. So around .25c per kWh. Then use the cheap stored electricity during the day. Question 1. Does the F3800 support timed charging on the 240v AC input? Or would I have to manually disconnect the 240v charge input after charging so I can then power my house with it? Question 2. I want to connect solar so the f3800 charges during sunlight hours (and I am still using the 240v output to power my home). And then when the cheap 240v tariff kicks in as above can I charge using AC and not have to disconnect the solar manually? Question 3. I want the bias to be towards running my home from this unit/s full time. Is there any kind of automatic cut over that I can use that will switch over from using the f3800 as the primary source to the grid as the secondary? Some sort of auto transfer switch? I'm guessing more knowledgeable people will be saying this unit is not the right power storage option and I should be looking at a powerwall or something. Whilst I accept that, I like the idea of this being modular. I can purchase additional capacity when funds allow instead of having to get all the capacity upfront. And also if any of the individual battery expansions fail in the future I'm not looking at a complete outage for the whole storage system. Question 4. When the unit drops to L or zero percent is there anyway of a transfer switch swapping back on to grid power? Question 5. Last one for now. Integration with something like Homey Pro or Home Assistant? Thanks everyone.

[@DaaimShabazz]

Anker needs to hire you as a consultant.

[@PCRduino]

Thanks for putting together this excellent tutorial!

[@Jasonoid]

You're welcome! Hope it helps.

[@gojeffgordon24]

Based on your review, the best plan for this in an outage would be 2 of the 48v server rack batteries and each with an MPPT hooked up to it. Have a wide ranging MPPT on them to get around the voltage limits of the unit and keep your critical loads powered from 240v. The server rack battery is nearly the perfect DC input for this it seems. I do like this unit in general, but the charging quirks makes for coming up with some innovate solutions. Ecoflow's new Delta beast does outshine this one, but it costs more too. I'm still waiting to see one of these that can allow my AC Coupled solar panels to be used when the grid is out. I know wall units from Sol-Ark, EG4 and Schneider can, but have yet to see one of these kind of portable ones have the feature.

[@Jasonoid]

I think having two 48v server rack batteries with their own MPPTs is a viable option around the 240v being disabled and the 60v cuttoff... but if you have two 48v server rack batteries, why not just invest in an All in One inverter anyways? I guess each person has their own use case. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Much appreciated!

[@LarryRichelli]

@@Jasonoid You are so right. A hybird inverter coupled with two or three of the 48v batteries would and could do as much and more than any portable unit at a similar cost but I guess that portability is the difference here.

[@gojeffgordon24]

@@JasonoidYeah, at the point of getting 2 of those batteries, you are likely better off with an All in One. I do help at some outdoor events in the woods (ultra running races) and need power at those. Having a unit that could be carried there and used at home would be nice. Honestly, we rarely lose power at home and investing so much in the batteries and inverters to collect dust for 364 days out of 365 is hard. I don't have time of use rates and I get a 1 to 1 match on power sent back to the grid from my existing panels. Just not incentivized by my electric company to do much with home backup.

[@AlanM-rm6cl]

My perfect setup since I have no solar (very old dense tree neighborhood) is two 48v server rack batteries and the EG4 Chargeverter. I mimicked Jason tests and found that you could not input to both DC inputs with one device. That was a disappointment for sure as I have two F3800's (bought during the kickstarter campaign at 45% off) and I was hoping to run the chargeverter directly into all 4 DC inputs on the two F3800's (each at 48v25ah), For now I have the chargeverter going to a busbar and then into one port on each F3800, but at least one 48v server battery also going into one port on each f3800 would complete the max 2400 watts in each (really 2300 as like Jason the best i could do was 1150w). But two server rack batteries would be the ultimate, just not sure I want to pull the trigger on the cost.

[@EnglishMike07]

Very thorough testing and the web site is very useful if you are in the market for a hardware like this. At no point does it seem like a commercial for product. which as others have said is an issue with other reviews.

[@MrPopierdolka]

I really like your review of this power station, best review out there. I’m considering purchasing ANKER SOLIX F3800. My question is: 1. What is required to connect two units in the house to double the battery capacity? 2. Will there be needed twice as many solar panels to charge both of the units at the same rate as one? Thanks again for your explanatory.

[@Jasonoid]

If you wanted to connect two units together to your home, you'd want to purchase the Anker Smart Home Panel, it should be coming out soon. With two units, you have the ability to get double the solar charging speed, so you'd have 4 solar charging ports, 2 per machine.

[@ndear2955]

Nice review! I totally agree the MPPT voltage should at least go up to 120v DC.

[@clemroma5985]

I hope Anker would make this available in the Philippines without the excessive price. Too expensive here in the Philippines close to double the price.

[@bishnuchowdhury4939]

You are so equipped and detailed ❤

[@TEN-ve8mp]

Needs either more versatile solar input capabilities or the 240 volt while AC charging ability for me to opt in. As is, you also would need a large generator with this power station which kind of defeats the purpose. Still this device is pretty impressive. Great review!

[@Jasonoid]

I appreciate you commenting and sharing your thoughts.

[@rod2625]

So I have 6.03kw Sunpower rooftop solar. Anker states that their smart home panel is after the main panel so if the grid is down you still get solar power. This contrary to online comments. Wonder how much sense this system makes. The 220 circuits in the main panel for solar would have to remain active and not seeing any online review of this setup. Trying to stay under $4,000 for a system. So the 3800 and panels are about all I can purchase upfront. Considering Pecron 3600 and 2 expansion batteries for 9kw of storage. For extended outage would charge system with 2500w dual fuel portable generator/inverter through AC connection. Any thoughts?

[@robertbaron3242]

Great review and thanks for testing parameters that other channels don't consider. I have a question that I would greatly appreciate your response to. I'm looking at either the F3800 or EcoFlow DPU strictly as a critical loads home back up system. My intention was to have either connected to our main panel through their respective smart panels so we'd have an automatic transfer in the event of a grid outage. Your inverter efficiency tests were eye openers and frankly something I've not considered. The F3800 used 23% of its usable battery capacity over a 12 hour period just sitting at idle. With your tested actually capacity of 6670 kWh that's a loss of 1534 kWh in 12 hours or 3068 kWh per 24 hours and this is power that has to be replenished by the grid (I don't plan on having solar). Our usage in Winter months averages 20 kWh per day and 30 kWh in the Summer due to our 4 ton AC. I planned on 2 F3800's (50 amps) so that inverter loss would be doubled so a whopping 6136 kWh per day! That's adding 30% to my Winter electric utility bill just to keep 2 F3800's charged and at the ready. The EcoFlow DPU is much better draining 7% of its capacity over 24 hours but that's only 1 inverter which limits me to 30 amps. If my understanding is correct then it doesn't make sense to use either in the strategy I intended. What might make sense would be to use a generator inlet with a main panel interlock or something like the Reliance 6 or 10 circuit manual transfer switch and turn off the inverters until needed. The question then is what is the draw down rate of the batteries when the inverters are not powered? Do they lose 1% per day, 2% or ? This method complicates things as then I'd be responsible for battery maintenance to ensure they don't discharge to zero capacity. Am I interpreting this correctly or is there something I'm missing? Thanks

[@Jasonoid]

I prefer the transfer switch method since I can choose exactly what circuits I want to run off the battery backup. If I need more runtime I can switch off a couple circuits. An interlock would also work well for what you are wanting to do but just be aware you'll have lots of ghost loads on your circuits using background power. When the power stations are completely turned off the power loss is near 0%. I'd recommend having them in this state if they aren't being used. If you have the screen enabled but none of the outputs there's still power loss. I haven't tested that number but it's probably around 5% per day or maybe more, so not ideal.