Walter Hagenah's R4M rocket attack on six P-51 Mustangs - 10th April 1945

[@spudeleven5124]

Walter knew my former girlfriend's father who was also a 262 pilot with 5 victories at the very end of the war. RIP Walter, RIP Dietrich. You were brave men.

[@finnish5794]

Based german

[@cv507]

and my uncle vvöz ^?^

[@BruceWayne_213]

​@@cv507you have no uncle here son!

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@finnish5794Basic fool

[@gilbertomolina2177]

Son ? 😮

[@douglasadams6024]

my grandfather was a B 17 pilot had 26 missions over germany and france, he told me he witnessed a "pack of those rocket planes" ( as he described them) absolutley destory an entire air squadron of B 24s, that had been escorted by P51s just a few minutes earlier, he said they came on the them so fast they never saw them coming and they were armed with rockets and cannons, he also said the climbed so fast it was unbelivable as they had no knowledge of the planes existence what so ever, he said by the time they "went to guns" it was to late, the "rocket planes" also took out 3 B17s as they made the last pass, he noticed 1 of them was on fire, smoking from one engine and bieng doggedly pursued by a badly damaged P 51, it to was smoking heavily and coming apart in pieces.....those guy had some guts!

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

great story a jet pilot send we fly at them so fast we don't have time to use machine guns, big changes for everyone

[@davidrandall9964]

My grandfather Hermann Rudolph flew ME262’s right at the end of WW2. For. For the most of the War he flew Stukas and then ME109’s. He never stopped talking about 109’s.

[@klauswigsmith]

@@davidrandall9964 The 109 has more aerial kills than any other aircraft in history. It's literally the best fighter plane ever made.

[@sonoftherabbitpeople4737]

The Germans did have a rocket plane also. It was powered by rocket engines, not jet engines. Look up Me-163. Could be your grandfather meant them. They traveled very fast but could only stay in action a very short time because it burned through its fuel quickly.

[@markb3806]

@@sonoftherabbitpeople4737 I don't think the ME-163 ever had that kind of success. It was difficult to get them massed against a bomber formation due to their short flight time (they were essentially a high speed glider). I am surprised how accurate unguided rockets shot from ME-262 were as they were not all that accurate in the air to ground role (see Remagan Bridge); I suspect they didn't have to actually hit their target to cause damage.

[@jenniferkelly6931]

What an impressive combat bird so ahead of its time.....in spite of the lack of fuel, the airfields raided, the rookie pilots, the factories bombed round the clock...they still managed to launch into combat such magnificent jets ! Respect.

[@fado792]

Respect??The war postponed 30 minutes longer so they could kill 1000 Jewish people more. Walter was only playing.

[@Mr.TonyClifton]

They used 10,000 forced laborers, 3,000 of which died to construct a underground site inside a mountain to build a small number of these ME262. Respect? Nah! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6O8pn-Kdsp_adU

[@alaindaubresse2161]

Pas en avance et pas fiable

[@blucheer8743]

The ME262 is just simply one of the most beautiful designs ever… it just has a perfection to it

[@bernhardecklin7005]

Schwalbe in german, means Swallow. No other name would ever fit an airplane so well.

[@obivankeno2068]

Real aerial Shark

[@andrewelliott4436]

And the RAF's Vampires and Vulcans. Beautiful designs to look at.

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

it's my second favorite plane after the Horton 229 flying wing.

[@theblytonian3906]

@@andrewelliott4436 Nope. Neither in the same aesthetic class as the Me 262A-1a. The Vampire was outright ugly, .Vulcan I'll give 4/5 stars for its unique aesthetic, but I never really liked its lines myself. I always preferred the look of the Victor.of the era's three V bombers. The de Havilland Comet OTOH was an aesthetically magnificent looking design. Of course, ultimately the eye of the beholder dictates individual perception.

[@rickkatz2214]

Thank you very much for this series. I have read about many of these missions and it is a great joy to watch these very accurate recreations.

[@17cmmittlererminenwerfer81]

Thumbs up for the use of complete markings.

[@marciacunningham5877]

When I saw that photo of Hagenah, I yelled "What the f------!!!" He was the absolute spitting image of me when I was 25. He was about the same age as my dad. Michael

[@Motoracer-zx10er]

I was thinking it looked like you as well!… give me a call, I think your car has an extended warranty…

[@phatbusted]

Actually, he looks like 2 guys i know ... here in Malaysia - Ur younger self seems to hv a number of lookalikes :D

[@austingode]

@@Motoracer-zx10er haha 😆

[@Retverm]

Great to see a portrayal of an ME262 in action. Please continue with these excellent videos!

[@tavis1119]

American and british always denied german victories especially concerning victories obtained with the ME-262, trying to diminish the effectiveness of the technically superior 262,but the superioriority of the aircraft shines by itself.

[@touristguy87]

"but the superioriority of the aircraft shines by itself." ...still doesn't certify claimed kills as valid. But it was easy for Allied pilots to prove their Me262 kills. All they had to do was visit the smoking ruins on the ground as the Allies advanced on Berlin.

[@vornamenachname8783]

I am German. It is always some fight between hating the war and being ashamed for what happened. On the oher hand we invented hitech stuff like heat seaking ground to air missiles and jets what came very late when the Allies had grown much stronger. German Engineering at least, beside all dirty of the war, proofed that it was ahead in some areas.

[@martyyoung3611]

No reason to be ashamed. National Socialist Germany was trying to save Europe from communism. Men from every European country joined them in that fight. Unfortunately, they failed to save Europe and, ultimately, the world from that murderous ideology.

[@thomaswayneward]

Never be ashamed of Germany. All nations do bad things in war.

[@nikelegend77]

ahem. jewish engineering

[@johngreylove1359]

In your dreams

[@jancasuper]

@@johngreylove1359 your dreams, on the other hand, such as getting to the moon first, you realised by stealing Von Braun's rocket technology.....

[@AndecIunson]

one of my mothers uncles was an ace in ww2. he started fighting in russia but was quickly transferred to the mediterranean and afrika. he was wounded and spent some recouping time in germany, though i'm not sure this was what he was actually doing as i've been told by my father who got to talk to him about his time in the luftwaffe that he was one of the testflyers for the Me262. after that he fought in europe to the wars end. he was a Gruppenfürer in JG27 at the end of the war and stayed a couple of years in the new west germany luftwaffe before he became a civilian. i've only met him once and i had no idea about this at that time, and my fascination with flying came after my meeting with him. i would have loved to talk to him about this while he lived.. I haven't been able to find much information on his actions beside where he was stationed and what his credited kills were.... a cool thing is that i think. is that he at different moments flew with both Bubi and Erich Hartmann.. If i remember correctly i think he was at one point Rote 2 with Hartmann.

[@samspencer582]

He was a real hero your mothers uncle.

[@Thomas-dr4ro]

Bubi and Erich Hartmann are the same person. Bubi was Erich Hartmann's nickname

[@AndecIunson]

@@Thomas-dr4ro ahh.. there you go.. my knowledge of the German language is quite poor so when I heard this from my kin I misunderstood it as 2 persons. Lol.

[@touristguy87]

and how many people died because of him

[@AndecIunson]

@@touristguy87 I have no idea. According to the records he shot down 36 planes. But I don't remember what planes it were. I know of 2 mosquitos and I dont know the crew size of that.. dunno why you're curious of that figure though.

[@alejandrovargas7592]

Thanks for the absolutely super animation. Terrific quality.

[@daveverster7483]

Very possibly the first air to air engagement where another aircraft was shot down by rockets instead of guns,as was the norm during the war.

[@kaa8643]

In the battle of the Y-29, USAAF Captain Melvyn Paisley shot down Fw190 with M10 Rocket.

[@pedronunez4507]

Este aparato, el 262. Era infinitamente superior a todo lo conocido, pero, tarde y en pequeña cantidad no pudo cumplir con su destino. No obstante queda clara su categoría y su Gloria.

[@bohumilhumpolik189]

Hz jų

[@bohumilhumpolik189]

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[@rayoargento]

Coincido , llego tarde al conflicto, tanto bombardeo aliado demoro su entrada en accion

[@alaindaubresse2161]

Pas beaucoup plus rapide que les p51 et spitfire en plus faible autonomie et pas très maniable

[@Tam0de]

Such an innovative, game-breaking design, that Me-262 - the world's first ever fighter jet. Can't imagine the confusion & trepidation felt by the first Allied pilots to encounter it in a dogfight. Just imagine: this menacing-looking jet that's faster than anything available at the time, with its powerful cannons...geez. And here's the kicker, it doesn't have a propeller at the front! No doubt in my mind that if the Me-262 was widely available in large numbers at the start of the war, at the hands of Luftwaffe's skilled pilots, Hitler wins. Having complete air superiority is critical in any war.

[@ptauagpt]

Unfortunately for the Germans Hitler pushed for more bomber type airfract. If the programs for increased output of the ME 262s was 1 year or earlier could have made a differnece in the air war. Air superiority at Kursk could perhaps made a difference .Effective allied 1943 bomber formations could have been stopped or wiped out.

[@ianlacey6588]

You can dig it out but Frank Whittle remained bitter that if the Air Ministry had supported him from the start then the UK would have had jets in the 1930s. He reckoned the Luftwaffe would have had explain to H that they would never get air superiority and therefore forget WW2.

[@allangibson2408]

The Me262 was much slower than the Gloster Meteor but the Allies didn’t want to risk a Meteor being captured so they were forbidden from flying over German lines.

[@allangibson2408]

@@ptauagpt Functional engines for the Me262 didn’t arrive until 1944 - by which time the Gloster Meteor was also operational having first flown in 1942.

[@hans-1940]

@@allangibson2408 The first flight of the prototype took place on March 5, 1943. The Gloster didn't actually get out of the test phase during World War II. The Gloster Meteor suffered from a tendency for instability around the yaw axis (so-called snaking) at Mach numbers of 0.74 and higher, probably caused by flow separation at the relatively thick tailplane profile. The Tommys didn't even manage to build in a reasonable armament. Their cannons had so many jams that they could not shoot down a German aircraft until the end of the war.

[@ashleelmb]

'Hagenahs rocket victories are unconfirmed' Probably because no one on the allies side ever wanted to give any Germans any credit for the success or bravery they had fighting for their own side, that's why.

[@mikevolante7663]

The P51 was probably the most advanced piston fighter of the war, and a truly great plane. Thanks to the Merlin engine, it went from average Joe, to top dog. But even then, it wouldn't have faired much better than the Spit, but for its amazing long range ability that really set it apart. The Merlin was a major factor in the Alled victory without doubt.

[@geraldshearon7264]

"The allied victory" was truly a Soviet victory. The Germans were devastated, but still gave the US fits, in site of being the Germans choice in conquerors. If not for the Normandy Invasion, Western Europe would have been a Soviet territory. Doubtful they would start up a war with England IF England ignored Europe. Doubtful the Soviets would have driven Japan out of Manchuria.

[@psav7]

No it wasn't. Not even close to the best Engine -Fighters.

[@jeremyohara5707]

@@geraldshearon7264 England was and is not a soverign nation. You mean Britain.

[@tomh9807]

And would have the germans not attacked the Russians and had more ME262, they would have run the allied into the ocean.

[@tomh9807]

@MickeyMouseLovesPam BS

[@danielvarga3598]

That was one of the first second generation warplane. (With the english Gloster Meteor). But the german Me262 had axial compressors and modern winged shape. That was the true way of modern flying.This is verry goog animation. Congratulations.

[@Dalesmanable]

Despite the lack of evidence and the often mistaken (and sometimes dishonest) victory claims, this could very well have happened. All Mustang losses that day may have been attributed to flak and mechanical failure but such rocket strikes whilst flying along straight and level would seem very much like flak explosions.

[@joebl0w67]

at that time the luftwaffe kept meticulous records and the conformation for aerial kills meant multiple witnesses. ground conformation plus I think at least 2 air combat witnesses. compare that with the US system of (probable kills and half kills) so theatrically a pilot could become an ace despite the fact he has never shot down a single plane

[@Dalesmanable]

@@joebl0w67 Alas, as much as the various claim systems tried to be accurate, analyses of actual vs claimed losses showed they all suffered from over-counting, typically by 50/100%. Germany’s directive 55270/41 was comprehensive but does not hold up well in post war analyses. There are many articles and studies on this, but discussion tends to be dominated by biases rather than facts. This should not, of course, take away from the bravery and frequent sacrifice of the aircrew involved.

[@joebl0w67]

That' sounds true thanks for your input

[@Pokafalva]

@@joebl0w67 '...at that time the luftwaffe kept meticulous records and the conformation for aerial kills meant multiple witnesses. ground conformation plus I think at least 2 air combat witnesses...' No they didn't. Show me the records for Hartmann for example from the middle of 1944 onwards... He is one example of a serial overclaimer in the last 12 months of the war...

[@steffenrosmus9177]

@@Pokafalva you do not know German bureaucracy. I think they were lost on the last month of the war. And overclaiming came per order from Göring or Göbbels.

[@tobysirus4996]

What a rush it must have been for these pilots to feel the thrust and speed of the Me 262 after flying propeller driven aircraft.Ill bet they smiled while their hearts pounded like a victorious falcon .

[@theblytonian3906]

In one sense climbing, in cruise and attacking yes, but the Me 262 was plagued by the myriad of problems afflicting production in Germany under the dire circumstances also came with its own vulnerabilities. Those Jumo (early jet) engines took a long time to spool up. Initial acceleration is super sluggish. They were fragile, and so couldn't be flogged like a PE could, = advanced experience & skills required. They must have been a TT handling nightmare. Fuel type, quality and supply. Particularly vulnerable on the ground, during takeoff, circuit, approach and landing, which is where the filth prioritised preying upon them.

[@Gunthazv2]

Galland said the first time he flew the 262 it felt "as if angels were pushing"

[@frankchilds9848]

Very well done 👏 I have deep respect for the German pilots 👏 👍

[@dr.wilfriedhitzler1885]

The first Jet-Pilots in the world.

[@TopSecretVid]

My Grandfather was a Stuka pilot🤙🤙🤙

[@marcolfo100]

I am always with fighters,bombers are only murderers

[@FSousa-hu8ko]

Pilotos alemães que se danem, assassinos.

[@mikepette4422]

@@marcolfo100 i agree but they are at the end of the day just mostly boys told by old men what to do and where to go kill and eventually die since being a bomber crew was dangerous.

[@Loulovesspeed]

While there are apparently some challenges as to whether this conflict ever happened, I can relate a P-51/Me 262 engagement that absolutely did occur! An American P-51 pilot named John Cooper Fitch was one of, if not the first American to shoot down a 262. As was typically the case, the P-51 caught the 262 off guard as he was attempting a take off and shot him out of the air. John would chuckle a bit and then say well, they got even by shooting me down sometime afterwards. He was strafing a German supply train and made the mistake of taking a third pass at it, but The German anti aircraft guns were ready by then. John spent a couple of months as a POW before the war ended. Coincidentally, John was a sports car racer, one of the first Americans to race in Europe after the war. He was so good that Mercedes recognized his talents and hired him as a works driver. He was the only American to be hired by the German auto maker! I knew John well, speaking with him multiple times at The Historic Festival at Lime Rock Park road course in Northwestern Connecticut, USA. He was always a joy to speak with and displayed such wonderful speaking skills. Engineering skills also ran in his blood as his namesake relative invented the steam boat. John had 15 patents to his name, the most noteworthy being the Fitch Safety Barriers used around bridge abutments to absorb impact forces of cars making contact at speed. They are credited with saving many thousands of lives. A great man that I will be forever thankful that I knew. RIP John.

[@wicky656]

Nice story about John Cooper Fitch.. Without this info, men like him don't get the credits and will be forgotten in time. It must have been fearsome to fight an Me262 with 4 x 30mm Guns and R4m rockets..

[@miklosdankaid.4279]

Rrrrdddy😝ö

[@jogman262]

Yeager shot his down the opposite way, as it was approaching for landing.

[@erebus8579]

It's kind of easy to claim a victory over an Me 262 by shooting it down during takeoff or landing! The real talent is to successfully shoot it down in flight in a dogfight!

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@erebus8579 - In war, you don't care how you get it, a victory is a victory and one less enemy plane and pilot at times! Your last sentence makes little sense at all. It has less to do with talent than it does with a superior aircraft.

[@Buck123four]

What a BEAUTIFUL airplane.

[@wolfganggugelweith8760]

Brave German pilots!!! 👍👍👍👍🐺

[@henrychinaski712]

Brave!

[@geoffreytudor5674]

I'll give Hagenah credit. The other pilot died in futility, and was in no way brave.

[@judd0112]

Brave yes , but they also had no choice. Not like American pilots who after a certain number of missions they were able to get out of combat. And go become a instructor or something teach what you have learned and pass it on to other future pilots. Or sell war bonds. German pilots had to just keep goin and it’s not a question of if your going to be shot down it’s when your shot down. Not too many lived through the war. And they amassed staggering aerial victory numbers.

[@kennygottlieb3628]

Best of the best, ME262 State of the art at the time..

[@shervintajik4245]

@@judd0112 American pilots weren’t brave at all

[@CollectorChronicles]

Beautiful work. I would love to see a video like this with Arado’s. Subscribed!

[@airwarchronicles]

I plan to do the Ar 234 Remagen air attack when the Arado is released

[@andrepython5540]

@@airwarchronicles On se réjouit déjà de voir cette vidéo sur Remagen. Bravo pour le job. 👍👌

[@davidfans5852]

Thank you, love these stories, these games like IL2s looks perfect when you add some storylines to it

[@gordonaverageguy9556]

Dirt runway is a mistake - they did not operate from them. The target of the bombers that day was Me 262 airfields, known as "Silberplatz" due to their nice runways and ground support, lacking from these dirt fields.

[@vladimirkroutov3310]

Absolutely correct, not to mention during wet and humid springtime, when the ground is saturated with water.

[@MXB2001]

That also struck me as unlikely. 190's were designed for dirt strips but the 262 was a thoroughbred and needed long hard runways.

[@allangibson2408]

The Me262 could and was operated from dirt runways. They did however set fire to the grass exposing their position, so the preferred operating strip in the late war was the autobahn where the bridges offered effective cover.

[@gordonaverageguy9556]

@@allangibson2408 I have a copy of one of those recce photos with the curious "J" shaped scorch marks from the 262 launches, but it was the nosegear fragility that put an immediate end to those very early operations. I knew 262 pilots for years and it was only the test pilots that did a grass takeoff. (plus Welter's famous landing at Juterbog-Waldlager / grass Bf 109 airfield when his oxygen system failed). His squadron is the one that was taken to the Autobahn, but its not what you think -- Burg had just been obliterated, so the Army / Heer got orders to activate the "fortress Magdeburg plan" which called for hardening of the region in preparation of the inevitable arrival of Allied ground forces. Part of that was converting the nearby 'Bahn to military use, in this case temporary housing for displaced aircraft that were still serviceable. Welter's men worked all night (I hosted the squadron's only post-war reunion in 2001 in Speyer, Germany) to drag his undamaged aircraft from the woods next to Burg-bei-Magdeburg's smoldering ruins to their next fall-back location, destined to be Lubeck. The attack on their base also signaled the end of Mosquito attacks on Berlin, so they were technically out of a job but they didn't know it yet, so everyone just kept going through the motions. That meant keeping their priceless jets together, and functional, as long as possible as the collapse of their country happened all around them. The 'Bahn flights were quite limited - I know Neppach and I think Jorg and one other member of Kommando Welter took off from the Autobahn, so that means Becker did too. But that wasn't for a mission, that was to relocate to Lubeck, in daylight, on the flight where both Jorg and Becker got porked. So no, they weren't operating from the Autobahn, it was like an emergency stop on their general retreat that ended at Schleswig. Sorry for the text wall, but the TLDR is no, they didn't operate from the autobahn.

[@TheIndianalain]

The probability of hitting such a relatively small target with unguided rockets, even fired in a salvo, was certainly very low... Nice video anyway. In the Deutsches Museum in Munich there is a ME 262 equipped with R4M launchers. To my big surprise they were made out of wood!

[@airwarchronicles]

Case in point, I tried about 30 times before I actually hit those 2 planes!

[@TheIndianalain]

@@airwarchronicles that's dedication!

[@Decybello]

@Alain Michel - i've read your comment and stopped for a spit second, thinking...... "i hope he meant, that launchers, not R4Ms are made out of wood..."🤣

[@PORRRIDGE_GUN]

@@MothaLuva No. They were fitted with fuses that detonated after a certain flight time/distance. The Nazis never developed a proximity fuse despite work begun in the early 1930s, which was not pursued to a conclusion. The proximity fuse was originally an imperfect British invention from 1940 shared with the US who developed it into an effective weapon by late 1942. It was one of the allies best kept secrets, up there with the Manhattan Project and Colossus and Bletchley Park But you are right about the 'shotgun' or 'beaten zone' effect of the R4M. If deployed and fired correctly, it was an effective weapon which could break up formations, making gun attacks by 262 and other fighters easier.

[@MothaLuva]

@@PORRRIDGE_GUN Agree, my bad. The R4M was equipped with a percussion fuse, and the Germans were additionally experimenting with a combined percussion/time fuse which was in development and under evaluation. To my surprise, it was actually really relying in hitting a target directly.

[@yattaran1484]

Thanks for posting this. Big surprise to know R4M rocket was effective against such small turget like P-51 fighter. 🤔

[@AudieHolland]

My take on it: it was tricky to get a hit by firing even a bunch of R4M rockets at bombers because you had to fire at an angle, as all rockets in those days could not fly straight and level but would drop rather sooner than later. But for a veteran German pilot, who was lucky, as he said himself, it may have been do-able, even if it was once, at a bunch unsuspecting Allied fighters. The moment they knew they were in the sights of an Me 262, they would have started evading and then you'd never get even a single one. This may have actually happened once, but the Allies kept it hush hush so as not to influence the morale of their fighter pilots. And they could almost guarantee it would never happen again, so fighter tactics need not be changed. As we see in this video, German fighter pilots airbases were under constant attack and in the last few days of the war, even all throughout the day, making take-offs and landings by daring German pilots certain suicide. Adolf Galland, in command of the last Me-262 fighter squadron, was transferred with his unit to Salzburg in Austria, late April 1945. Here he found the Allied fighter planes were not even attacking anymore, just flying circles over their airfield, hoping that the US ground forces would seize the base and its remaining Me-262s intact. I believe the Me-262s were grounded because of lack of fuel or spare parts. As US tanks started rolling down the runway, the Germans quickly destroyed the last possibly operational Me-262s of the war. There were a lot (hundreds) of unused Me-262s still in the factories though so taking a few to ship them to the US and testing them there was no problem.

[@LuisFilipeDVentura]

Excellent cinematics!

[@likklej8]

Any chance of one on the Gloster Meteor which saw active service in July 44 with 616 Squadron? Loved the ME 262 information.

[@stevetwede9901]

Reading I fought You From The Skies 1964. written by a FW 190 pilot. He admitted he lied about the numbers of available fighters for operations once because his men were exhausted from ground attack missions. This is one of many ways a squadron commander can monkey around with numbers.

[@christerbergstrom2957]

Well, Willi Heilmann's book is considered by the experts in this field of interest as one of the least trustworthty among German pilot biographies. Do you read German?

[@bubiruski8067]

On 24 March, 1,714 bombers, escorted by approximately 1,300 fighter aircraft, targeted 18 Luftwaffe airfields.[38] Schall led 10. Staffel at about 12:00 from Parchim airfield and engaged the bombers south of Berlin. Approximately 15 Me 262s, the majority of them armed with R4M air-to-air rockets, claimed a number of bombers destroyed, including a B-17 by Schall.[ The question is rather how could any one of the German defenders survive against 1300 enemy fighters?

[@napraznicul]

if those 1300 was in majority ESCORT planes, their mission was to ESCORT bombers at close, but to to follow some me262 for 50miles off side of the group they protected. The 262 strategy was short attack then go fast. Not a shitty p51 carbureted garbage would keep up with running me262, not to mention other maneuvres of attack them from underneath.

[@mikepette4422]

its a scary thought you have 15 planes they have 100 times as many lol

[@bubiruski8067]

@@mikepette4422 Very true. These many of allied fighter created a spray of bullets and did not even need to aim properly. That‘s likely the reason why they often did not even know who scored the hit. Thus it happened that they scored fractions of kills !

[@daiichidoku]

@@napraznicul actually, once doolittle took over 8th AF, the doctrine changed for the better to allow escorts to go after bandits instead of staying tied to the bombers

[@napraznicul]

@@daiichidokuGermam pilots of me262= "the bandits"?! They were patriot soldiers fighting against the "bandit" invaders which were "fuelled" by other bandits, those which owns global financiar system 😅

[@hertzair1186]

Would like to see a video on Hans-Guido Mütke’s supersonic dive on P-51’s in his ME-262 where he apparently became the first man to fly supersonic….you can read about it in Wikipedia under his name . His ME-262 is still in a Swiss air museum.

[@raypurchase801]

The 262 was thoroughly tested by the allies after the war. Reaching Mach 1 in a 262 was impossible. The 262 would go into uncontrollable gyrations and break up.

[@sergeant64]

@@raypurchase801 The first production plane to reach Mach 1 was the F-86 Sabre which could only do it in a dive, deep dive.

[@raypurchase801]

@@sergeant64 THANKS! The 262 didn't get swept wings for aerodynamic reasons. Construction of the mock-up was underway when the designers realised the engines would be heavier than expected. The easiest way to correct the C of G was to fit swept wings. The angle of sweep was too small for any advantage. The Sabre's greater sweep made all the difference.

[@hertzair1186]

@@raypurchase801 …I believe it was later tested as a model and was proven to be able to go supersonic.

[@raypurchase801]

@@hertzair1186 At high near-Mach numbers, the "real life" 262 tried to break itself up and became uncontrollable. Interestingly, the piston-powered Hawker Tempest was only marginally slower in a dive, thanks to its very slim wings. It wouldn't actually go out of control, but it did start suffering airframe damage at which point the pilots ceased their test. In combat conditions, regular pilots (as opposed to test pilots) would never push their aircraft to the absolute limit of their aircraft's performance envelope. Because it wasn't needed and they didn't want to kill themselves.

[@Glen.Danielsen]

Yah, the jet’s gun cameras might not activate with rocket firing. Bravo for your remarkable graphics!

[@fload46d]

While the US fighters generally could not keep up with the 262, they would wait until they landed and then attack them.

[@norigibson]

Interesting story and the graphics are so lifelike it's like you are there. Thanks.

[@cannonfodder4376]

And I thought memeing fighters with rockets is a War Thunder thing. Another excellent video.

[@PORRRIDGE_GUN]

War Thunder is for kids. IL2 or DCS is the state of the art.

[@nuubiesaibot8339]

@@PORRRIDGE_GUN indeed ,

[@68pishta68]

Try WW2 Aces for the Wii (!) you fly a Meteor and armed with rockets, you can decimate FW190's all day. Of course its super easy but fun as the learning curve is about 3 minutes. Ive never tried it on HARD setting. The Ba 349 'Natter' would have been an all rocket (propulsion and weapons) vertically launched last effort weapon. Didn't even have landing gear. Probably would have been a Hitler Youth suicide vehicle, one and done. Fire your batch salvo rocket load at a formation, clear and bale out.

[@beyond_the_infinite2098]

That was an awesome video! Thank you.

[@andersholmstrom3571]

The ME262 is absolutely beutiful. A masterpiee of it´s time

[@maxrpm2215]

Victors write the history books and the vanquished are condemned for eternity

[@Pokafalva]

We should all forget about the excellent German writers on WW2, then? The likes of Jochen Prien, Hans Ring, Michael Meyer, Paul Stipdonk, Gerhard Stemmer, Winfred Bock. Your contention doesn't hold water...

[@williamzk9083]

@@Pokafalva But the stories of others is hidden because they didn't meet political criteria.

[@Pokafalva]

@@williamzk9083 What are the stories that are hidden because they didn't meet political criteria? Your reply is very vague...

[@tekay44]

in this case they should be condemned.

[@tekay44]

@@Pokafalva how many incredible stories, works of art, music, love, life, laughter was taken from the world by these pricks, no sympathy for them at all.

[@samspencer582]

Best fighter plane in WW2. Sad that it came too late though.

[@diegocristianpolastri6349]

Beautiful design!

[@bert-hassokemnitz8580]

Fantastic video , sensationel. The ME 262 first turbine jet fighter fighting against bomber destruction of Germanys cities 1945.

[@jayhopkins6990]

The quality of the this video is fantastic thanks a lot really enjoyed it have a great day..

[@MGB-learning]

Great video!

[@tonkool4736]

Beautifully made...

[@rkabanlit]

Those Me262s are absolutely gorgeous ...

[@power4things]

While not generally acknowledged, the North American F-86 design was very similar to Willy Messerschmidt's "next" plane after the 262, which they could finally design around the single, more powerful jet engine planned by BMW. The 262 had the engines on the wings, because a) it needed two for enough thrust from the Jumo 004's, and b) the 262 airframe was designed before the engines existed (BMW was working but it was delayed) and therefore it was not known how large the engines would be, so the nacelles were designed last. The successor was a different matter, and Willy's No. 2 man went to the US as a "paperclip" and would up at NA in Van Nuys, CA. Some feel his biography was retrofit to indicate he moved to California from Germany in around 1934 ... The new design also included the sharply swept-back wings design collected from German research, and front air intake we see in the F-86 A-C models (the "Dog" model having the radar dome for all-weather flight and the "smile" intake underneath). Willy Messerschmidt was invited to come to America (via UK) by Charles Lindberg at the end of the war, but did not want to leave family in Germany.

[@martinschmidt5541]

In Memory of our WWII heros....

[@tekay44]

just the allies, on one cares about the dead axis soldiers. do you forget what they did? all of them. all of them. gassing children and they fought for that regime.

[@theoriginalt-paine3776]

What do you use to make these videos? Is it just one of the many video games, like War Thunder perhaps? Or it some good at home CGI rendering software? The production value looks pretty good to me, and I really enjoy these.

[@airwarchronicles]

Thanks, I use IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles il2sturmovik.com/

[@franciscoyukianki8146]

Had the Germans produced these jets earlier the entire Allied planes are sitting ducks!

[@bobmacdonald6183]

Not quite correct, the RAF had a squadron of Meteor Jet fighters, just finishing their trials and work up. And others ready for commissioning. Captured 262’s in mock combat against these Meteors, the Meteors were found adequate for combat with the 262’s. They were deployed just a week after Germans surrendered. The Russians were very shocked to see them. They had nothing with the zMeteors capabilities.

[@biernut8723]

@@bobmacdonald6183 The Gloster Meteor was slower than a Spitfire (initially), unmaneuverable and unstable in flight. It was a very poorly conceived aeroplane. This is reflected in the fact that it had very little success as a fighter over its entire career. The Me 262 was fast, easy to fly and effective, scoring over 500 kills in a very short space of time. In fact it was the Allies who were shocked to see how far Germany was ahead at the wars end.

[@asd36f]

Fantastic graphics!

[@fredbreuer5504]

Incredibly and simply amazing these people of that time. They deserve my entire respect regarding of their courage and capabilities

[@tonyelberg7814]

Cool stuff mate 👍, keep em coming 😃👍👍👍

[@stevetwede9901]

There are thousands of shootdowns that do not tally with enemy loss records, even one where air and ground witnesses signed off. There are various reasons for this, the Russians for example didn't count planes that were shot down, but only minimally damaged & then repaired & put back in service. And all air forces, ( sometimes to stay out of trouble from their superiors ), didn't report losses. And there is over reporting, but to state an absolute when there are these variables is silly, but people like Nick Hector do this & want to be taken seriously, which is silly.

[@christerbergstrom2957]

What is this? "The Russians for example didn't count planes that were shot down"?? That is utter nonsense. Don't spread such disinformation. Historical facts have to be taken seiously. And why are using this space to attack Nick Hector, who is a highly respected researcher among the experts in this field? Jealousy? I find it otherwise inexplicable.

[@chrishunt3296]

The Germans were the most accurate as every victory had to be witnessed by two people. The British were pretty inaccurate in the Battle of Britain but the Americans were by far the least accurate due to large formations often all firing at the same plane and claiming a victory if it was shot down.

[@danielrendon8555]

German Generals wanted to start the War on laters years to use all advanced weapons they were developing but Hitler didn't want to wait and that's one reason they lost the war.

[@alfran1]

Wrong. Most likley UK wanted to involve Germany in an early war right because of this reason. The very aggressive Policy of Poland against germany and german minorities in Poland and also the repeated sabotage of the corridor to Königsberg were long time ignored bye Hitler. Poland already wanted to convince france already 1932 to attack germany. I am sure that Hitler originally wanted to wait but the provocations set him under pressure. The Polands really beliefed they could win the war easily. And on the paper Germany was not so strong 1939.

[@ag2938]

Schöne Bilder, aber sehr unrealistisch, die ungelenkte R4M Luft/Luft Raketen mit elektronischen Näherungszünder und Aufschlagszünder im cal. von 5,5cm mit einer Sprengladung von 550gramm Hexogen,wurde nur gegen große 4 Motorige Bomber eingesetzt, gegen feindliche Jagtflugzeuge reichte schon 1Treffer aus den 4x 30mm.Maschinenkanonen MK.108 ,da diese meistens mehrere erhielten, Explodierten sie in einem Feuerball.

[@fredreinhard2091]

As all things in war! Some are lucky and others are not!

[@MiguelAngel-bx9tl]

Amazing work, thanks Saludos desde México

[@NRG1985]

3:05 is that firing distance realistic according to the report?

[@airwarchronicles]

The report states about 500m, but I fired from closer for the video.

[@aldosigmann419]

Exciting encounter - great animation!

[@robertajennings3815]

This is a cool aircraft years ahead of its time,,,helped spearhead design but to late in the war,,,,it was already lost.....

[@alaindaubresse2161]

Pas des années d’avance et pas si formidable manque de manœuvrabilité fragile pu d’autonomie

[@Cybernaut76]

I got a wee little bit curious. Although it seems like Leutnant Hagenahs shot down wingman was just a second rate pilot, I still got curious as to who was he and did he manage to bail out or did he die.

[@nudaveritas6322]

Still imagine the Weapon technic which used in the Me 262 was far beyond the allies had.................

[@jsl151850b]

There's a movie that I can't remember the title of where an American bomber crew is attacked by a German jet for the first time. One of the gunners says... *"I thought Buck Rogers was on our side!"*

[@Sargonarhes]

I'm finding it a little hard to believe a P-51 caught up to an Me 262, unless the 262 pilot made a horrible blunder. Which is more likely the case.

[@gordonaverageguy9556]

they couldn't attack at 540mph, they had to slow to engage the bombers. That is where most open-air victories against the Me-262 were claimed. By far the majority were lost either taking off (17% of...) and landing (66% of 262s reported lost due to enemy activity).

[@bobparr4723]

Im not a warmonger, from being an engineer i have a love for these old planes from the period. They are quite simply works of art. Like old cars, they were made with an aesthetic in mind, or maybe im just nostalgic 😁

[@mcd3379]

Don't tell me - this is Germany's contribution to helping Ukraine defence itself from Russia - a couple of ME262s from WW2?

[@johncox2865]

The two best looking fighter models of the war.

[@ilmarvaim317]

yes, the me262 and fw190d-9/ta152 were the best looking fighters of the war.

[@timfischer9900]

If you are 20 years ahead with technology, but enemy has outnumbered your forces 10 or 20 times

[@bernhardtsuballa5341]

The big problem of the Germans is not the lost war, but what they have made of their country politically. Every work-shy person is accepted and given $500, free housing, free health insurance, and free heating. Already the streets don't look like Germany but like Turkey... Sad!

[@eriklapparent4662]

All modern twin jet nowadays have mainly the same configuration than Me 262.

[@63DW89A]

Excellent video recreation. Closely follows the report given by Lt. Hagenah as documented in the Forsyth book, "ME 262 VS P51". Forsyth's book is a fascinating read, and it quickly dispels 3 myths about the ME 262, the P51 and the unavoidable collision in air battle between the two aircraft. MYTH 1: the ME 262 was a SUPERPLANE that could have won WW2. TOTALLY false. The ME 262 was a first generation jet with many developmental issues that made it extremely vulnerable to mature technology piston-engine fighters. The ME 262 should be recognized and admired as the stunning technological achievement it truly was, being developed, tested and deployed under constant Allied bomber attack. There were just over 1400 Me 262's built, with a total of only 200-250 ever being made operational, and never more than 100 total operational at any given time. P51B/C/D's shot down more than 140 ME 262's, well over 60% of the operational ME 262's. The ME 262 was far from being a SUPERPLANE. MYTH 2: the P51B/C/D was a SUPERPLANE that won WW2 all by itself. TOTALLY false. There were many other fighters that were better than the P51 in certain flight characteristics. Basically the P51 had better overall average flight characteristics, although not the best in any particular one, EXCEPT the P51 had the exceptionally long range that allowed it to loiter over Germany, having the time to effectively dismantle Luftwaffe effectiveness. The P51B/C/D was a kind of a "jack of all trades, but master of none" fighter. And the P51B/C/D came along at the exact time in history that it was desperately needed to save USAAF daylight bombing, and to effectively reduce Luftwaffe effectiveness to the point that D-Day could occur, making a major mark on history that no other fighter aircraft could. This is why the P51 usually, and arguably rightfully, tops any list of "Greatest Fighter Planes". The P51 with a good pilot could shoot down any other fighter in WW2. But the reverse is also true. The P51 was far from being a SUPERPLANE. MYTH 3: The P51 could only shoot down the ME 262 during take off and landing. TOTALLY false. The P51 killed ME 262's at high altitude in high speed combat during bomber formation attacks, and roughly 70% of P51 kills of ME 262's were of this category. As this video shows, the P51 with altitude advantage, using high speed gained in a dive, could temporarily stay with a full throttle ME 262 trying to escape to the point that ANY mistake by the ME 262 was a kill by the P51, as happened to Lt Hagenah's wingman. One 8th Air Force fighter pilot, after staying dead even with full throttle ME 262's trying to escape his diving P51D, reported that he felt that if the supercharger boost was adjusted slightly higher on the P51's Packard-Merlin engine, that the P51 could actually gain on and catch diving Me 262's!

[@paoloviti6156]

The Me 262A not designed to dogfight fighter! According to Royal Navy test pilot, Captain Eric Brown this is the following excerpt: "This was a Blitzkrieg aircraft. You whack in at your bomber. It was never meant to be a dogfighter, it was meant to be a destroyer of bombers". To continue, German pilots soon found out that the Me 262's clean design also meant that it, like all jets, held its speed in tight turns much better than conventional propeller-driven fighters, which was a great potential advantage in a dogfight as it meant better energy retention in manoeuvres.The Me 262A as long as they did not allow themselves to get drawn into low-speed turning contests and saved their maneuvering for higher speeds it was a relatively safe airplane. Although there were losses at high altitude it was generally because of their relative inexperience. The great loss suffered by the Me 262A was mainly achieved when landing and takeoff, also because of very slow spooling. But it soon became very hazardous for the allies as the Luftwaffe countered by installing extensive alleys of anti-aircraft guns along the approach lines to protect the jet fighters and if fuel was available by providing top covers with the Fw 190-D9. Soon those tatics was discontinued because of the losses to attack those airfields.

[@63DW89A]

@@paoloviti6156 Excellent, historically accurate points. Also the ME 262 pilot's standing orders were to attack bombers and avoid the P51's, an IMPOSSIBLE order to follow, as any attack on bombers brought the P51's after the ME 262. The major problem for 30mm cannon-armed ME 262's in bomber attack was a 550 MPH jet attacking 250 MPH bombers with short ranged 30 mm cannon that required the jet getting into the long range fire of .50 BMG's(Browning Machine Gun's) well before the 30 mm cannon could reach the bombers. For an accurate hit on the bombers, the ME 262 had to slow, making the jet a sitting duck for P51's because of the jet's slow throttle response, and lack of maneuverability. Slowed to 350-400 MPH, the ME 262 was an easy kill for the P51. IF the ME 262 flashed thru a bomber formation at 550 MPH, shotgunning the 30 mm cannons hoping for a lucky hit, then the P51 squadrons high above the bomber formation, could use dive speed to come after the jet, and if the P51 dive was timed correctly for its path to cross the ME 262, the ME 262 was in serious trouble, as the jet's only option for survival was to run, as the jet was not likely to survive a turning fight with a P51. If the P51 was temporarily staying with the ME 262 with dive speed, any turn by the jet, even slight turns still maintaining full air speed, allowed the more maneuverable P51 to cut across the arc and decrease range to the jet. And a huge advantage the P51 had was carrying six .50 BMG's. The .50 BMG had much longer range than the 30mm and 20 mm cannons, and could register destructive hits well beyond 20/30mm cannon range. The .50 BMG's long range ability was probably the deciding factor in P51 success against ME 262's, because the P51 was straining at the absolute limits of its performance envelope to engage an ME 262 at speed and needed every advantage possible. The ME 262 was at the most dangerous configuration to the RAF/USAAF when armed with the R4M rockets because the range and speed differential problems outlined above were somewhat negated by the rockets, allowing the ME 262 to perform at the deadliest and most efficient level.

[@stangoodvibes]

"making a major mark on history that no other fighter could" Um...the Spitfire? 🤔

[@63DW89A]

@@stangoodvibes The Spitfire made its mark on history, as did the overlooked Hurricane. Plenty of other great fighters made similar marks on history too (Typhoon / Tempest, P38, P47, Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair, etc.). However, the Spitfire, P47, & P38 up thru December 1943, had not been able to dismantle the effectiveness of the Luftwaffe, and dismantling Luftwaffe effectiveness was absolutely essential before the Normandy invasion could happen. The P51B/C accomplished in 4 months what the Spitfire, P38 and P47 could not accomplish in the previous 4 years, dismantling Luftwaffe effectiveness to the point that when the D-Day landings occurred, the Luftwaffe was virtually nonexistent. The German Soldiers during D-Day, with bitter humor observed, "If you see a dark plane it's British, if you see a silver plane, it's American, if you see no plane, it's the Luftwaffe". The P51B/C is the reason that happened, and that is the reason the P51 made a major mark on history that no other fighter has, before or since.

[@stangoodvibes]

@@63DW89A sure. I get your point, but what I meant was the Spitfire was the fighter that won The Battle Of Brittain, because it could compete again the 109 in ways the Hurricane couldn't. Without that decisive air victory and the subsequent lack of invasion of the UK due to the Luftwaffe unable to get the necessary air superiority needed, the war might have had a different outcome. So while yes, the P51 was the decisive aircraft later in the war, if you are going to single out one fighter that made the most historical statement in WW2, I'd still go for the Spitfire. Maybe our perspectives differ because of our nationalities. I'm English by birth (also the Spitfire was the first Airfix plastic kit my dad and I built together in the 70s. I had a 1/32 Spitfire, Hurricane, and Me262 hanging from the ceiling in my bedroom 😁)

[@petersclafani4370]

When I was in Munich I visited there war museum. I sat in the jet n was impressed how tight fit it was

[@rickyraw5457]

As an allied piolet seeing one of these must of been a real thrill......😁

[@ammo8713]

AND A REAL "PANTS CHANGER"....IF YOU GET MY DRIFT ! 👍😁

[@RaulBailey]

I'm surprised to see the P-51's did not strafe his jet on the ground after he landed.

[@tekay44]

he snuck in it said. that was a common tactic since they couldn't catch them in the sky, they just waited for the lousy pricks to try and land, they they chewed em up. to little to late for the worst collection of monsters to ever draw breath. the master race, my ass.

[@touristguy87]

"According to US sources, there is little to no evidence that this event ever occurred. Similarly, Hagenah’s victories were not confirmed by JG 7 in the desperate last days of the war. As such, it is difficult to corroborate the event with such conflicting accounts. However, I have endeavoured to create this video as it is an interesting and rare aspect of the WWII air war." So you're saying that despite any official evidence that this is anything more than a Nazi fanboi fable, you decided to make this video ANYWAY because it is such an interesting and rare fable...and likely would get a lot of hits on YT? I'll give you this much credit: it's probably true that some Me262 pilot loaded with rockets went up to attack an Allied bomber formation, got bounced by the omnipresent escorts, narrowly avoided getting shot down and maybe even shot down one of the escort fighters in return...only to fly back to their base and discover a pack of escort fighters waiting there for him. And it's probably true that this happened to every one of the Me262 pilots, at least once. Some more than once, and some only once.

[@gordonaverageguy9556]

happened with Walter Schuck - he went up with rockets, fired a salvo and obliterated three B-17s and mortally wounded a fourth (crashed in Holland while RTB), and took down a Mustang on the same attack. Either that mission or the one after, he came down into his parent's neighbor's greenhouse after having his wing shot away miles overhead.

[@touristguy87]

..if....largely debateable.

[@warrendargusch5873]

What an exciting narration!

[@andrewisotope8146]

It's all very well having the first jet Fighters but waiting until the enemy is at your door is sorta late to make a difference and the same applies to the V1 & V2 rockets.

[@WillyEckaslike]

50+ allied countries Vs Germany and a couple of useless allies....the wrong side won and you are about to reap the conseqences

[@andrewisotope8146]

@@WillyEckaslike Ya mean Ivan dont ya Will? I hope not for the entire world's sake

[@thomaswayneward]

The Germans in WWII; the first country to fly into outer space.

[@breakethelimit7704]

Brave man

[@stevel1475]

Entertaining recreation of events.

[@urbansoldier1]

imagine this was a us "thing" we would have a hollywood movie of that with brad pit or harrison ford. 🤣 but so it was only a brave german pilot and only we here in youtube give him the salut he truly earned...... horrido lt. hagenah

[@curtismiller8529]

Those 30mm cannons on the ME- 262 were devastating!

[@c123bthunderpig]

I would not doubt his claims, P51 pilots at this time in the war were mainly FNG's and suffered a high rate of casualties because they thought they were hot stuff and flew based on stories not experience They murdered 4 American POW's in March when the Germans were consolidating POW's getting them away from Russians. 4 men bled to death while they made victory rolls over their bodies. The skies over Germany were still dangerous even when the war was over and it took time to get the word out.

[@williamzk9083]

Over 95% of US POW of the Germans survived the war. That's a lot better than being captured by the Japanese. Injured American Airman that bailed out of aircraft were treated and fixed up by German doctors. I have no idea what murder you are referring to. -POW were not supposed to be executed unless they murdered a guard or someone while trying to escape and that required a trial. You could get killed trying to escape. The other way would be for not doing what you were told (not legal but you know) and one can imagine in the forced marches at the end of the war to avoid them being liberated as German lines were over run this might happen. Escaping was no reason to execute a recaptured prisoner but we know it happened. Guards were severely reprimanded and had leave cancelled when it happened. Escaped POW often reenter the war and kill members of your own side so it was a big deal.

[@c123bthunderpig]

@@williamzk9083 I'm talking friendly fire by hot shot P51 idiots ( Red Tails), group on an American POW column, not the Germans murdering POW's. The war was not over.

[@ilmarvaim317]

@@williamzk9083 there's several instances of where POW camps were about to be ''liberated'' by the commie filth and the Germans who were getting ready to decamp told their captives ''the ruskies will be here in a few hours, you're free to wait for them to free you'', to which the allied captives replied, ''we'll take our chances with you guys''. Go figure.

[@alfonsocuevascadena1364]

Esto debería verse en history channel

[@evertamaya2623]

FAES from El Salvador, still have these mustangs

[@doloreszamora9964]

Who cares what you have or what you don't.

[@joselopes4709]

Hagenah's bird was usually a Weiss 5, according to Osprey Ace series

[@aladdinsmith6303]

Keep in mind the Germans were rushing all those sophisticated Panzer Tanks,Missiles,,Rockets and Jets right off the assembly line straight to the many front lines.Breakdowns and lack of men/ adequate trained ,too little and thanks to God too late .I rate,rank and say the WW2 German Armed Forces were the greatest up to that time far ahead of it's time as well as my time and I wasn't even born.

[@BruceWayne_213]

Lucky for the allied that Marseille, Hartmann , Barkhorn never had a chance to flew that jet fighter..

[@thomasdillon7761]

I believe he made the kills he claims but I also believe the chaos of the last days of war swallowed up the records of those kills.

[@vladimirkroutov3310]

As far as know jet Messerschmitts were operating exclusively from the hard surface runways, not from the soil ones, especially during wet and humid springtime, when the ground is saturated with water. 10th of Apil, you say?

[@mikbe2579]

Unfortunately, the Me 262 was deployed 2 1/2 years too late. Otherwise Germany would have shown the Americans and the British "where the hammer hangs" and possibly bombed New York and Washington!

[@TexasHoosier3118]

ME262 would have a rough time flying to New York from Europe.

[@thomaswayneward]

Hitler had no desire to bomb the USA. He did not want a war with the USA.

[@KateLicker]

were 262's operating from rough unpaved fields?

[@drittenreichlieber]

My salutes to all Luftwaffe Experten. If my memory serves right, all the First 118 Top Air Aces in the world were Luftwaffe Pilots. What a record that can NEVER be broken in any future conflicts!!!

[@hurri7720]

You find the list here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces

[@topcat4759]

Agreed No chance that Hartmann's record could ever be beaten. An absolute legend no doubt.

[@chrishunt3296]

And that includes Adolf Galland who shot down 104 Allied aircraft all on the Western Front.

[@robmiller1964]

Good work ANZAC Mate!

[@alouiciousjackson5812]

P-51's are very fast in a dive, easily passing 600 mph, and with external rocket pods the Me-262's speed advantage would be greatly reduced, especially while attacked in a climb from above.

[@Eric-kn4yn]

No 600mph p51 ive read 450mph was achieved higher ?

[@alouiciousjackson5812]

@@Eric-kn4yn It can do close to 450mph in level flight but faster in a dive.

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

The beginning of modern Ariel combat, jets and rockets.

[@JohnDavis-sb6ex]

The beginning of the end of propeller aircraft!🤓

[@3Kiwiana]

I hate how the Americans downplay the effectiveness of these beautiful jets, and their combat scores.

[@aladdinsmith6303]

Only one movie I ever seen that actually had this WW2 German Jet show an appearance and the movie was The Tuskegee Airmen .Man how Envy l am and frightened of that technology the Germans had decades ahead of itself and the world.