Jaycen Joshua's God Particle WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING UNDER THE HOOD?

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[@BihlerOfficial]

Your plugins actually sounded so much better 😂 Worth the effort

[@panorama_mastering]

Haha enjoy!

[@johnghadimi]

Awesome video. GREAT to see what is under the hood. I actually did some some strategic screenshots from a few people on YT who had attempted the recreation of this in Ozone 9. It does sound great but the drawback to Ozone 9 is that it's not something you always have on to mix into! It's horrible with latency. GP is super light on latency, which is great, and you are meant to mix into this, according to the plugin creator. That's why I leave all of this magic to experts like you. :)

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks for watching and the support as always! THere's one thing I would trade off the latency on GP for and that would be if it could oversample to avoid aliaising! Hope you're staying well! N.

[@ORUMusic]

What are your thoughts on getting this plug-in if you already have Ozone 11 Advanced for mastering?

[@ryanshreevedrums]

I preferred your chain but a single, relatively low cost, plug-in with gain targets vs, hundreds of dollars of plug ins is a no brainer! Great video!

[@panorama_mastering]

Exactly on the money! I drew the same conclusion

[@ReeWebster]

​@@panorama_mastering So did I / agreed, nice plugin / great work too mate.

[@panorama_mastering]

@@ReeWebster Thank you!

[@BreyerWhite]

god particle sounded more controlled to me. in a good way

[@msld_sound]

Awesome comparison. Commenting before the reveal: I definitely prefer the feel of track 2. The low end is more focused and the kick transients hit harder. I think I wouldn't have noticed from listening on small speakers, but on my monitors there was a clear difference. Excited to see which is which.

[@msld_sound]

(after watching) Ohhhh, okay, #2 was your chain! Great work, Nicholas. Most of my music work is film/musical sound-alikes for spoof and parody dinner theatre, so I'm not doing much work where a crunchy, midrangey contemporary pop sound serves the mix. But I'm still deciding whether to buy TGP for a faster, less fiddly mixbus when I DO need to do "modern pop" mixes. Perhaps the happy medium is TGP without the limiter, followed by a little dynamic comp/expansion with Pro-Q, and Pro-L to finish.

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks for watching!!! I think the two chains are relatively similar but honestly don't show the full picture or give justice to what The God Particle provides in terms of workflow for mixers, especially mixers starting out; the guide points and thresholds makes it a no-nonsense easy to set-up mixbus tool; which I think is super valuable for those trying to get their bearings on their mixes; In terms of pure fidelity of audio I don't think the amount of filters and processing it does on the as a mix bus chain is something I'm interested in; for my mix busses I have one compressor and one limiter; if I want to get funky with tone, saturation or clipping, I usually do that in parallel; but that's how I like to mix;

[@msld_sound]

Big agree, I love access to fast tools - but I need more autonomy than what TGP offers, specifically parallel processing options, control over crossover frequency, and more detailed saturation and stereo imaging control.

[@THZORROMUSIC]

same here, preferred track #2. less "smearing" in the upper mids and hights. but hey, maybe it works as good pr better on a different mix. thanks for the insight, interessting new things to try out...

[@JazzyFizzleDrummers]

I actually could hear a difference on my phone speakers. #2 is the clear winner for me there

[@quazrmusic]

Grateful for the full in-depth comprehensive overview and insight into this plug-in.

[@panorama_mastering]

My pleasure!

[@Dinith]

Always a pleasure when the notification comes up mate.👍👍

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks mate ! :D

[@jarettholmes2815]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🎛️ The "God Particle" plugin is praised for its effectiveness and efficiency in the audio mixing process. 02:20 🎚️ When turned on, the plugin introduces high shelf filter curves, boosting at low frequencies and cutting at higher frequencies, along with odd order harmonics. 03:03 🔊 The plugin's over-sampling capability might be limited, leading to slight aliasing distortion at higher frequencies. 04:12 🔄 The "push and pull" curves in the plugin influence the harmonic saturator and multiband compressor, contributing to its unique sound. 06:05 🎧 Comparing the plugin with a stack of other plugins, the "God Particle" effectively streamlines the mixing process for professionals and helps achieve desired results with ease. Made with HARPA AI 👍 Upvote to improve video surfing

[@composingtips]

Thanks for this review! You explained a lot more about this plugin than anything else I could find. Most of my work is in film scoring and unfortunately, the lack of controls (and metering) this plugin offers is a showstopper for me. Especially the messing with the stereo image which is a big no-no. I can definitely understand the audience for such a plugin at this price point though, but I don't think it could be of any interest to someone mixing day in, day out. In the category of "soundgoodizers that don't require much learning," it is quite an achievement and I see where the value is. As a side-note, I think that the whole plugin is a repackaging of the old Ozone 4 Joshua's preset. Thank you for your awesome videos: mastering is hard and you do a very good job at explaining the craft.

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks for watching!!

[@vigilantestylez]

Comments I've seen. "it's for noobs", "it sucks!", "It destroyed my mix". My opinion is noobs are the ones who like to reinvent the wheel because "they're better than everyone else". It ruined their mix because they aren't using it right, or this Mixbus plugin doesn't give the flavor they like. For some reason, noobs are in love with treble and high mids. They want their hi hats slicing your eardrums like a razor blade. Seems as though they might have hearing loss. Imo I think it's an excellent tool on the master bus, it keeps things in the pocket. Getting great mixes from it. IDK. I guess I'm a noob who has been mixing records for 26 years. Great video! I subbed. ☺️

[@panorama_mastering]

I understand where you're coming from; It's a shame; and I feel for those coming up and getting frustrated with the process; because the marketing for a lot of these products sell silver bullet solutions; while the reality is; yes; there is some great technology going on behind the hood; BUT you need to understand it and how it works in order to get the most out of it; Most of those starting out think that audio engineer is as simple as plug-and-play;

[@panorama_mastering]

P.s thanks for the sub!

[@vigilantestylez]

@@panorama_mastering absolutely! I fell victim to a lot of fluff marketing as well.

[@Rhekluse]

Great video. I’ve been trying out different mastering chains over the years, everything from an SSL console to just a clipper. This plugin seems really useful. Possibly something to mix into as it has the capabilities to control & colour but also something to help guide better decisions before the mix buss. Well done 👍

[@panorama_mastering]

Glad it was helpful!

[@MariJu1ce]

The chain of plugins sounded ALOT better

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks man :) I agree; but end of the day; I feel workflow wise; the one God Particle plug-in is what makes it such a game changer; one place dial directly to 95% of that sound it's great!

[@lunairysproducciones]

Your chain is better bro, and you have the possibility to personalize it, it is good to study a little and make your own method. Clearly it is more marketing than something different. It can give you speed, which fits in this fast world, but the best mixes are the ones that take time. And if you have more control you can come up with a more unique sound than something that standardizes the sound. Just an opinion, cheers!

[@J77199]

I preffered the plugin. Brighter and wider. To each their own

[@josepapiii]

Just stumbled with your channel. Always good to hear someone that knows.what he's talking about 👍

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks man! Respect and appreciate you dropping in!

[@AaronTrimbleMusic]

Excellent video! Thank you! For the record, I could not tell the difference

[@ronson795]

I would love to hear a solution from you on how to replicate the metering for the 3 band level recommendations. I´m not sure if the metering is pre or post multiband compression. I assume that it´s pre so that you hit the multiband stage with the correct levels. In your example in this video - what amount of gain reduction did you apply in DynOne? This could be enough indication for my question right? Also you missed the multiband widening and Paul Third mentioned in his KZbin channel that there is some transient designing happening as well but I can´t really hear some transient push ...or at least it didn´t sound much better in comparison to your chain. (except some more upfront from the vocals but this could easily be fixed as you normally mix into this plugin)

[@panorama_mastering]

Hey Ronson; The metering; not quite sure; I think the thresholds/gain reduction meter on the DynOne bands offer a sort of indicator to how hard these bands are being driven/if they're in the pocket or not; As per stereo widening; I heard rumblings about this unit doing it; but it was very difficult for me to deduce or decode a quantifiable shift in change for the stereo field; simply because underneath compression; harmonic saturation and EQ; these all impact the stereo field in some way or another too; even if only subtle

[@natmarshallis]

this was a fantastic video man, love your work sir! really great intel. thank you :)

[@panorama_mastering]

My pleasure; thanks for watching!

[@jiddurano]

This is such a big help! I'm trying to recreate this chain. Regarding Dynone. It seems the volume doubles when i engage it and i already turned Parallel Mode off. Do you have any idea how to fix it? Thanks man! Thanks for this again!

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks man! That's odd; could you send me a screenshot of your settings to [e-mail]

[@eytzur]

Great video as usual :-)How did you figure out the crossovers of the multiband?

[@panorama_mastering]

Running sine ways at various frequencies in Plugin Doctor;

[@GrumpyGr3g]

6:22 on the switches I was not able to say which one is which, but I for sure liked the green one better. During the "fest switches" I could feel something different on the vocals. I guess the Dynone does something more. I used this plugin for a mo, during the trial version, and it definitely is doing something different than any other multiband comp. Then you showed the result and yeah, it appear obvious. Oh and also, thank you for saying that these lower harmonics are almost inaudible (not so say there are not at -100dB in a whole mix). I heard so many people bashing on plugins just for these lower harmonics, but I'm sure they can't even hear any of these on a full mix that has distorsion and so one (which appears to be on every modern music). Thanks for such a great content.

[@panorama_mastering]

Amazing; thanks for sharing and glad you enjoyed this!

[@AdrianRC991]

i also preffered that one. im watching this because same, used the trial version and loved it, i feel the same it takes a lot out of the mind and had very enjoyable mixing with TGP

[@progressionspod]

This is epic! You went in on that thing.

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks bro ! Was huge fun!

[@royalinvasionproductionstv6370]

Wow!!! Trying to do this in Reaper with stock plugs ..what were the settings on the multiband comp?

[@AMMixes15]

Wow this was really dope to see you decode. Great job! What is that analysis tool your using to see how the plugin reacts that your seeing measurements from?

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks man, a pleasure! That tool is called DDMF Plugin Doctor

[@AzzaDutt]

Great video mate! Super interesting analysis

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks a ton! Super appreciate you watching!

[@everythingaudio8922]

What's the name of the plugin you use to breakdown what the plugin is doing(eg. The eq curves)?

[@panorama_mastering]

Plugin Doctor!

[@Randuski]

I’ve actually spent the last few days building an ableton rack that replicates the god particle haha I like plugins like these, but I prefer to understand what they do, and why they work.

[@kehindea]

Interesting video. I love TGP but I have other budget 'priorities' this month. I actually tried my hand at recreating my own version of TGP but as my trial has ended I can't quite test it in real time but I will use it as the basis of my mixing/mastering process. Might bite the bullet and get it next month haha

[@panorama_mastering]

YES! How'd you go recreating it?

[@tresporros]

great to know what is under the hood, I was very curious, I jut want to know what is happening with knob/turn. Certainly it can peed up the work of semi-pros engineers. Myself just like you, I have my own chain of tools and understanding how they work, but, hey, I am lazy and definitely I want to try this plugin. Quick fix won;t hurt:)

[@Barncore]

The 'pop' sound you made with your mouth @1:19 could be sampled and used as the sound effect for a chat/message notification hahaha it's perfect

[@panorama_mastering]

Let's do it!

[@saardean4481]

the lower version has a bit more of a screaming nasal vocal quality. In the upper version the vocal sounds more integrated in the mix. So i guess, your chain though impressively near the plugin, has a bit too much saturation push in the higher mids imho. I have great respect of your understanding how they work and be able to replicate the sound with other tools. Very nice

[@panorama_mastering]

Good observations! Thanks for watching mate :) Plenty more to come!

[@cal-10229]

Interesting, I hear the opposite. The god particle vocal sounds especially harsh on all of the vowels in the upper midrange and is a bit nasally, while the plug in chain is less harsh in that 2k area. They do sound very similar though. I think for this vocal performance I prefer the plug in chain

[@BreyerWhite]

i agree! god particle sounded better and more controlled.

[@Darksagan]

Im on a older mac so I cant use the GP. But I do have all the plugins you used. Can you upload those presets?

[@ubu-ibme]

I feel like I should know how to recreate it like you did. I love/hate the technical aspect of it specifically because you don’t have to be super technical to get a great sounding mix… but I’m super technical!!! Great video 👍

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks for watching! Appreciate it!

[@yangjiyangji]

Very good approach! I was wondering how would you guess multi band compression but you did a good job. Btw i am surprised that eq curve is quite aggressive

[@chriskozeer]

You’re forgot the stereo image

[@panorama_mastering]

Good pick-up this is worthwhile me further exploring!

[@RobsonPellegrini]

Hi mate, would you share the presets for the diy godparticle?

[@airhosa]

What plugin are you using for this analysis?

[@panorama_mastering]

PluginDoctor !

[@tomasshannon6537]

awesome breakdown man!

[@panorama_mastering]

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching!

[@sendaiMike]

Great breakdown 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@panorama_mastering]

Appreciate it mate!

[@displayname8848]

How does the lofi plugin add odd order harmonics? DId you figure that out by looking at the analyzer or does it say it somewhere? What parameter controls odd vs even harmonics?

[@panorama_mastering]

Good Q; Run a sine wave; add lofi then monitor in a spectrum analyser;

[@FredDeMassiveAlambic]

Thanks for taking the time decoding the plugin. One thing is however misunderstood about mastering : the goal is not to put a mix into a good signal chain. The goal is to correct mix issues, make it translate and compete with what others do, and add some artistic polish & vibe. A mastering chain allows the engineers to do all of this : it's not a recipe but a series of chosen tools that each have a dedicated function and are not always all turned on. This kind of plugins let people believe in the "recipe signal chain" we see a lot on instagram. I'm not saying this doesn't work ! I'm saying it makes people believe that this guy only do this on his masters and voilà! As a mastering engineer, you need to be able to do critical listening, resolving issues, hearing more than anybody will ever do, adding polish while respecting artist's and engineer's work, and TGP is not the tool for this. A mastering engineer is able to use a multiband compressor, to hear limiter release, to hear saturation and to know when not to touch anything. He's almost staring from scratch every single time and not using fixed settings on his tools. The only step where I would use TGP is on the mixbus to "try a color". Two clicks to see quickly how can the song sound differently. This is a production/early mixing tool, not a mastering one. Hope it would help a bit people who are confused about this step. PS : I'm not by any mean saying I am a mastering engineer, but meet enough guy and spent enough time with them to understand a bit their job.

[@viljamimehto9238]

Hi! Nice chain you got there! Correct me if I`m wrong, but to my understanding you can’t measure non-linear stuff with linear analysis. In theory the frequency response shown in plugin doctor’s linear analysis tab should not be correct (or rather not mean anything). Am I missing something here…?

[@panorama_mastering]

You can measure with a linear analysis you just won’t get the full picture of whats happening. This is something i learnt after making this video, but the hammerstein graph will plot each order of harmonics on it’s on response line so you can see how harmonics are produced at each (n)th order and their relative responses giving you a more detailed picture

[@viljamimehto9238]

@@panorama_mastering Alright, thanks for the reply! I've understood that's it's more than just not full picture when harmonics are present. With subtle harmonics it's not really affecting the results of the linear graph but I wouldn't call The God Particle's harmonics subtle, especially when driven the way it's asking you to drive it. To measure the frequency response of a plugin that's introducing saturation, to my best knowledge you should use indeed only the Hammerstein graph but zoomed in / scrolled up so you only see the top line with order of 2. Also, that eq curve doesn't really match with my ears. I'm no expert, I might be getting things wrong here.. ps. I liked your chain better than TGP! Really nice!

[@izhundrikov]

God Particle sounds great, but can't lie, liked your chain much better :D Something about 600-800hz area, that sound much more natural and open to me. Great video, enjoyed watching it. Keep it up!

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks for watching! N.

[@anteupbeats]

I use it on everything it’s just on another level

[@panorama_mastering]

This is a solid plugin!

[@engineerproducer4654]

So if I understand correctly, since the plug-in also has a true peak limiter included, mixing through it activated, once the mix is finished the track can also be considered already mastered, right?

[@panorama_mastering]

On a technical level; if you author it as the master; yes it's mastered; but a few notes to mention; 1. It was stated that it's a true peak limiter; however I was still getting overs registering on my meters when using the limiter (Not a big deal, but not sure how effective the TP limiting was working when I had the limiter engaged) 2. This is a mix bus tool to feed your mixes through; not a mastering solution.

[@engineerproducer4654]

Therefore it's a plug-in that reduces an entire chain of top down mixing to a single instance; in this case what other processes might be needed to complete the track in the mastering phase?

[@panorama_mastering]

​@@engineerproducer4654 Technically you're right; But as far as mastering goes; processes in mastering tools I employ have more resolution and flexibility in application; Fixed point EQ's, compression timing and saturation ties your hands in mastering very much; So whilst I see this as a great mix-bus creative soltion; a mastering solution it's a bit too limited as a all in one replacement;

[@truesearch69]

@@panorama_mastering excuse my ignorance but I need to know something urgent: what is the correct digital mixing chain? In what order should these go, to complete a ''mix'' chain? Does this apply to all elements of the song? I would save life. If this ''all-in-one'' plugin contains the ''entire'' chain and you can't edit the compression parameters it has, the plugin limits you to a fixed non-editable ''compression'' for all elements. same values? for all elements?

[@danb3128]

No mention of the bug here when working at any rate other than 44k?

[@RokSivante]

i could tell within the first three seconds of the first sample, "this definitely ain't it!" LOL. interesting video. and ya - there's some serious secret sauce in here that can't be so easily duplicated. 💎✨

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks for watching!

[@kadiummusic]

Great video, F Bomb made me wince though.

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks mate; sorry for the F-Bomb!

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

I did guess correctly however I use the plugin a lot. I don't mix into it, I sometimes use it during mastering so I am familiar with the plugin. I also like to add it to two-track beats when I work on rap on hip-hop. That being said the only real difference I could hear was the #1 was a bit more dynamic. You nailed the sound the dynamics were what gave it away for me. Nice work! 🙂

[@panorama_mastering]

Nice! Yeah; I will say; the limiter on the adaptive limiter on the god particle is fantastic! It's really top-tier A-Class!

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

@@panorama_mastering Agreed, I just wish I could adjust the ceiling but I don't think it was intended to be a mastering limiter. However, an adjustable ceiling would be useful in more than just that case. Maybe a future update!

[@johnjhonny646]

Finding ozone 4 is faster. TGP plugs in his ozone 4 presets. Just boost the midrange stereo image slightly from that preset and it will sound the same.

[@panorama_mastering]

Who's TGP?

[@1wibble230]

Your chain definitely sounded better, makes me more comfortable about not having the god particle :)

[@AudiologybyRiverine]

loved this dude

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks mate!!

[@FLAVMEDIA]

Great Breakdown!!

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks mate! :D

[@theCloneman5]

Yeah there‘s definitely some oversampling going on, the aliasing would be at least 40dB higher otherwise. Commonly you could say it‘s beyond inaudible at -100dB, especially compared to the noise floor of virtually any conversion or analog box.

[@panorama_mastering]

Yeah; it's beyond inaudable even at -80dBFS; but none the less; this is with a sine wave; with a more complex series of signal and higher harmonics all the way up to the top of the frequency spectrum; I wish there was the option to vary it; o

[@moronpoliceHQ]

If you run it in Reaper you can use that DAW to choose how much you want to oversample the vst. @@panorama_mastering

[@legendtaco1]

When people say the "mix bus" what does that mean does that mean your master? or your say all music or drums bus?

[@Civilizashum]

I could def tell the difference. TGP sounded thicker in the mids to high mids. I liked B better, more transparent,

[@Civilizashum]

I hadn't heard which was which before I decided on a preference. I did a quick listen on the MacBook speakers so obv I'm not really judging the bass.

[@JayeHoncho]

Things happen differently based on the volume you send it , you are clipping the God Particle red lining so this is not accurate to what it’s really doing

[@1176hambone]

I would rather use multiple plugins with oversampling and anti-aliasing features. If I need a quick and easy spot check, then TGP is good. It's a good Finalizer. It's 4 plugins rolled into one. Simple

[@panorama_mastering]

It's good for getting results quick; in fact I work with a few top-mixer who mix through TGP and leave it on to deliver mixes for mastering!

[@Felix00007]

Thanks for the video

[@panorama_mastering]

MY PLEASURE!

[@miltonex]

Wow Great job!!! thank you for sharing!!

[@panorama_mastering]

My pleasure! Thanks for watching!

[@anissteevan6676]

Sorry dude I just used the plugin.The limiter was cranking up so high I mean SO HIGH!. I level matched the plugin. I can't hear any difference it's the same audio WTF

[@panorama_mastering]

That's always a good thing!

[@mickjames7962]

I recently compared The God Particle to a $200 engineer at Sterling Sound and no doubt the Sterling Sound engineer gave me a much better professional result but for anytime where I want to master my own stuff or don’t have that money to hand I’m going to use this plug in. But if I want the best result I’ll pay an engineer that I know and trust.

[@illrich]

The plugin is based of an old ozone 4 preset :) Just repackaged and simpler to use

[@panorama_mastering]

A few people have made mention of this.... I never used Ozone 4!

[@illrich]

@@panorama_mastering it’s an eq, into a stereo imager into a multiband compressor. With the multiband having like really slow release times

[@THZORROMUSIC]

nice idea... recreate in ozone and share ... a tonal balance curve included...

[@panorama_mastering]

@@THZORROMUSIC this is something I can definitely do ;)

[@THZORROMUSIC]

@@panorama_mastering would be a great series, definitely. ozone got probably most tools on board. At least, it would work for most used scenarios in a “static” state, without any nonlinear behavior. would love to contribute, but my measuring and theoretical analysis skills do not exist… paul third does a bit similar awesome recreation thing with the melda mxxx, this got some advantages compared to a “static” scenario, but the tool is not as accessible as ozone. shouldn't it be possible to emulate a typical pultech trick, or most common start fairchild setting in terms of freq curve, phase, width, harmonics, knee behavior, etc.?

[@ophrys9123]

People is like it's just, it's just it's just. I watched one million tutorial, tryed one million presset and plugin, and never get that pro sound that God particle give. Your chain match but I reconyze directly the God Particle one. More clarity, punchy low end, the high end it's not agressiv and don't mask anything like the second one. People like bright stuff, that's why even when there is mic comparaison they like the cheapest one. There is some secret sauce in this plugin. They said beyond super analog, you know your job better than me but I'm curious to know if your mastering with your best gears sound way better than god particle.

[@panorama_mastering]

I respect that ! I understand where you're coming from too! My only qualm is in their marketing verbiage; "Beyond Super Analog"... that's just fancy words to sell something; The one thing I think they've nailed is the phase relationships of their crossovers on the EQ and the limiter itself; That said; I prefer the flexibility of my mastering set-up over using this and am able to get better results with more flexibility in my chain over using TGP I'm not saying that to discredit the value of TGP because as I said in the video; it's really an incredible mixing tool for engineers to have on their mix bus and mix into

[@CLdwyer]

I liked the chain you made for yourself more than the God particle in this example

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks for watching mate!

[@CLdwyer]

@@panorama_mastering There's another video by "Help Me Devon" where he analyzes the God Particle and references an Isotope Ozone preset that Jaycen used that was the predecessor to this new plugin. In that Ozone preset is also some imaging happening too.

[@panorama_mastering]

@@CLdwyer Nice! I'll definitely go check that out!

[@CLdwyer]

@@panorama_mastering I’m literally attempting to rebuild this processing chain now for myself. Using Diamond Color EQ 3 > Manley Massive Passive > DynOne > StageOne > Fab Pro Q > GHz Tupe. Jaycen’s approach to this is really intuitive. Something useful to learn from. Thanks for the breakdown. It helped a lot.

[@augustwest304]

thank you

[@panorama_mastering]

You're welcome!

[@zooie1044]

Can anyone help explain how to print stems through it using the side chain input? What’s the process?

[@onnooo]

print your mix dry (the signal normally going into GP), then put that on a channel in your session, solo safe it (thats what its called in logic at least), and use this as the sidechain input for GP. after this turn on sidechain and print your stems through the God particle

[@panorama_mastering]

Bang on !! Happy to do a walkthrough on that in the future;

[@zooie1044]

​@@onnooo ohh because the printed mix will trigger GP exactly how the full mix does, so the stems you print aren''t actually triggering the plug in just running through. got you!! thank you bro

[@zooie1044]

​@@panorama_mastering may help some others! it was making my brain hurt anyway...

[@B3Mac]

awesome break down!

[@B3Mac]

I spy a GR meter...

[@panorama_mastering]

Ha cheeky!

[@One_Pluss]

Can you make presets of your Fabfilter settings

[@panorama_mastering]

Yeah of course; no stress at all! Email me to remind me and I'll do it when I have a spare second!

[@NoQualmsTheArtist]

I couldn't handle using a plugin where I can't control what's going on. Using an LA2A or RVox is trying enough with no attack and release controls, but this would just freak me out 🤣

[@panorama_mastering]

Yeah! But I feel for the style it imparts; having less autonomy over individual parameters will work out better 90% of the time

[@chefdusse]

can you do one of these for “the master plan”?

[@SuperFake777]

Why am i just now getting this recommended

[@stickybeak1313]

This is like a cheat sheet you don't even have to read. Yes, it sounds powerful and 'of the time' on some things... but it certainly isn't creating new innovative engineers - it's promoting the status quo on a particular sound. I can imagine it being more effective on busses/stems. Speaking of 3rd order distortion, the Vertigo VSM-3 plugin is far more flexible and interesting as it includes even and odd harmonics and allows you to blend in both. And as for presenting a seriously peak-limited mix, what's the mastering engineer supposed to work with?

[@panorama_mastering]

Interesting; didn't know this about the VSM-3; I might give it a trial and run through it's paced; thanks mate ;)

[@scottrashleigh5220]

@@panorama_mastering I really enjoyed your breakdown and will watch some of your videos. I was trained and worked at the original Studios 301 and Albert's... So I'm an old opinionated old fucker haha.

[@YoungNino2017]

it's not really a cheat sheet, the marketing is just kind of off-putting to more experienced people. It's really a type of more advanced limiter that has some widening and saturation built in with sparkles to sell to noobs. But the limiter is really really nice... so much better than Ozone limiters, and at times better than Pro L2. The rub is that multiband section only has that one profile it's locked to. It works most of the time, but I've done mixes where the nature of the mix doesn't conform to that profile and then the god particle overcompresses the mids and ruins the mix -- in that case the pushing or pulling does nothing... you would need the option to raise the threshold for the mid band... which you can't do.

[@wassll]

great content follow up video : god particle vst but its made with 100 % ftee plugins, that would be real nice

[@panorama_mastering]

Noted! I wish I could; the problem is multi-band compressors that are linear phase and efficient I don't know of any which are free!

[@LorneSound]

@@panorama_mastering Just Maximus on FL Studio

[@LorneSound]

@@panorama_mastering And the multiband from Reaper

[@production_facts]

I preferred your mix bus chain to TGP plugin. Much better top end, low end and a better high mid range, which I didn't expect. Maybe aliasing is part of the sound of TGP, however I don't like to use plugins WITHOUT that option. Great video demonstration. Subscribed.

[@panorama_mastering]

Amazing; thanks for dropping in! I also have a feeling having played with TGP a bit; is that the "adaptive limiting" has far too much look ahead and squashes the peaks too much;

[@production_facts]

@@panorama_mastering true. Most use it with the limiter in bypass.

[@lucy5668]

Get your ears checked

[@panorama_mastering]

@@lucy5668 Ouch;

[@production_facts]

@@lucy5668 by who exactly?

[@cachelesssociety5187]

If it was 80 dollars I'd buy it. At $119 I'm just gonna use my Ozone 9 preset.

[@thomasjorennielsen]

Woo!

[@panorama_mastering]

Thank you mate!

[@Fox_is_Fox]

10.000 kHz? really? (3:16) lol Thank you for the video, this thing is definitely on my list.

[@panorama_mastering]

It's a simple way to check how a plug-in is oversampling; if harmonics introduced (let's say odd harmonics; 3rd and 5th order) like in TGP; then the 30k and 50k harmonics will sit outside the bandwidth of most common sampling rates; if that's the case; most plug-ins deal with this by oversampling to avoid inharmonic aliasing distorion folding back;

[@brentrichardaudio]

i think they meant because 10,000kHz is 10 million Hz

[@weedywet]

There is obviously some widening going on in the God Particle as well.

[@panorama_mastering]

Interesting; I didn't even look for how it effected the stereo image;

[@danb3128]

@@panorama_mastering the fact that you couldn't hear the widening is a concern - it's one of the most obvious effects of this plugin

[@redactedmane]

YOU'VE GOT A GOD PARTICLE IN YA TROUSERS, TOMMY. YOUR GONNA BLOW YA BULLOCKS OFF.

[@PharaohLawLess1]

I gotta try this out. I love Gullfoss….that plugin is the cheat code

[@panorama_mastering]

Nice! Are you refering to the Smart:comp?

[@MrFeinberg]

The GP buss in your A/B sounds much harsher in the 3k-ish, yuck.

[@panorama_mastering]

The OG GP or the copy-cat?

[@MrFeinberg]

@@panorama_mastering The one-knob.

[@DJAdalaide]

Thats actually quite dissapointing - its not really doing much at all, i would have expected a couple of presence bumps, parallel compression, soft clipping etc.

[@coldskoolbeatz]

I don't like what it does to my audio, specifically in the hi high's and high mids. I find this plugin to be a little over rated.🤷🏾

[@panorama_mastering]

Fair enough; have you tried the latest version with the oversampling engaged?

[@coldskoolbeatz]

@@panorama_mastering I haven't...

[@panorama_mastering]

Give it a whirl ;)

[@joost3783]

Honestly I think it's too expensive. The only tool I got in that price league is gullfoss and that's a whole other thing. I mean god particle costs more than half the price of one of the best DAWs which is logic. Really expensive IMHO

[@panorama_mastering]

Fair enough; Logic is GREAT bang for buck; but for some mixers having a dedicated mix-bus system they can feed their mixes through confidentantly is equally as helpful;

[@joost3783]

@@panorama_mastering Fair yeah, but If you already have tools you know on your mixbus you run the risk of overdoing it and loose flexibility. I like the metering aspect of it it really makes sense to have those targets that you know will work. Are you aware of similar simple metering tools that would potentially cover that aspect of it?

[@ThisGuyDude]

TGP sounded shrill. You matched the analyzers well. Still, TGP was shrill.

[@sgdsgf5089]

you are incredibly smart in reverse engineering plugins, props

[@panorama_mastering]

Thanks mate :)

[@KTOENTERPRISE]

#NICEEEEEE

[@easyvelvet77]

3 knobs?! Oh noooo... i can only deal with the 1 knobs plugins... more makes me nervous. At least i did progress, before i could only deal with the 1 "button" plugins! But wait! Hopefully some plugins (a bit like this one...) are already doing some "magic", and some volume enhancement (huhummmm...) when you just insert them in: Nothing better to get confuse with the real work of a plugin, isn't it?! Pretty surprising by the way for a quick work done, but... where and how exactly to use it in my plugins chain?? didn't really figured that yet... And if you want to "know" what's happening under the hood (thx for youe video!), or get a bit more "control", it's... a bit too vague for me. "Withe Sea" tend to think it's for professional use, but i would see it more in the music producers toolkit. Saucy and Loud as Hell: let's say a bit gross, but do "the work", and, as sausages are fashionable those days, I'm sure it will more than please the ears of the mass.

[@jontshyza]

As soon as I heard the ausie accent and swear words I subd 👍

[@panorama_mastering]

Ha ! Thanks for subbing!

[@ikehayes9252]

120 bucks a good price point? You need to supply me some of the stuff you are smoking!

[@panorama_mastering]

Yes; $120 is a fair price point; put it into perspective; You're a beat maker; you make 150-250+ beats a year; a tool like this would save you tens if not hundreds of hours all up; and it only costs you cents on the dollar per project to get this tool; You're a mixing engineer; you mix 50-100 singles a year; it could save you a plentitude of time if this suits your vibe and cost you a couple of dollars per project in the first year for it to pay itself off; You're LEARNING to mix; or a hobbyist; yes $120 is a lot of money; but it also free's you up to engage in your craft without the blinders on; the set-thresholds and indicators are a great learning tool;

[@ikehayes9252]

@@panorama_mastering That's a nonsensical attempt to justify the ridiculous price point. 99% of audio software users don't make any money and to assume that a "beat maker" would release 250+" beats a year is completely out of touch with reality.

[@panorama_mastering]

@@ikehayes9252 That's your view on it; I respect that; and I won't undermine that by justifying my opinion and experiences in opposition to that; thanks for your input;

[@ikehayes9252]

@@panorama_mastering All good, we can agree to disagree. I do understand your motives to praise this plugin, since you want to benefit from cooperations with audio software companies.

[@panorama_mastering]

@@ikehayes9252 likewise; and to clarify; my motive is to have transparent dialogue and discussion about tools and processes which I engage with on the day-to-day; I couldn't escape the god particle when visiting studios in LA; that's the truth; so I needed to do the dive for myself;

[@RocknRollkat]

Excellent presentation, thank you. Adding odd harmonics is nothing new. That's one of the secrets behind the old Pultec broadcast equalizers, Neve consoles, etc. And those EQ curves are right out of the 'Aural Exciter' playbook from decades ago. Let 's face it, it's a multiband compressor with silly confetti animations which REALLY turn me off. Great for today's kids who don't know any better, but for us old timers, you can't be serious. Bill P.

[@panorama_mastering]

Thank you for watching! Funny you say this; I know a few old timers using this on the daily!

[@RocknRollkat]

@@panorama_mastering I threaded my first tape machine in 1961. We built our own gear because we couldn't afford 'real' gear. That's when I learned that it's a LOT easier to record your signal CORRECTLY in the first place. I live by that tenet to this day. Bill P.

[@Craftmaster3]

They both sound the same

[@panorama_mastering]

To my ear they sound very similar too; but are distinguishable

[@coolvibesradio3267]

you can do everything the god particle does with isotope trash

[@RP-vq4wd]

I would never use it! I dont like those chain effects that you cant modify and go deeper. Its a plugin for nooobs who dont know how to mix

[@panorama_mastering]

It's not my flavour for mix-bus processing; but it's A FLAVOUR; and I think that for many engineers who need to find that flavour it's a good interim point;

[@RP-vq4wd]

@@panorama_mastering well said! Cheers

[@J77199]

Tell it to Serban and Pensado, and Braithwaite and Joshua who all mix hit records. A tool is a tool.

[@RP-vq4wd]

@@J77199 Enjoy it!

[@J77199]

@@RP-vq4wd I don't even own it, I'm not the one claiming "only noobs" use these tools. I'm sure I mix better than you honestly

[@Dandelion544]

Snake oil 100%

[@emiel333]

Sorry my friend. If you are a real mastering engineer, I expected to see something else in this video. You know what. You’re a mastering engineer. Only a few analog outboard gear… What I do see is what I like: Pro Tools on Apple Mac. This plug-in is overrated imho. It saturates the high end so much that the master becomes unbearable to hear. Even on low volumes. I’m sorry. I’m not here to disrespect you my friend. No offense, though 😢

[@panorama_mastering]

In my experience the amount analog gear one accumulates doesn't validating the status of ones occupation. Re: your opinion on the plugin; I respect that; I get we all have different taste and appreciation for sounds subjective to our individual experiences; Big

[@emiel333]

@@panorama_mastering Thank you 🙏 for your kind reply. You’re true about the amount of analog gear but believe me it still makes a difference. Overall I think you are capable enough to deliver good printed masters to your clients. If this wouldn’t be the case, you didn’t had a YT channel. I’m very sorry for my straight to the point reaction, my friend! I hope you will accept my apologies. And as a fellow musician I will subscribe to your channel so I can watch more videos over time to form a better opinion. I’m so sorry to disrespect you but my stress was too high and now and then I blame innocent people for that also in my own environment. I have a counselor that helps me with this trigger issue. Sorry, sorry, sorry!!!

[@panorama_mastering]

All good! Nothing but respect, I'm hoping you enjoy watching more of these video's because this is my passion and I love sharing it on KZbin between sessions; No feelings are hurt, it's ok, we all have things we are dealing with and I respect and I understand how it can feel. Take care! N.

[@YoungNino2017]

I don't understand the first point you talk about; when you put it on it's definitely not just adding that EQ curve you show by default where the highs are scooped out. Also... what you left out is that the center module that is at "100%" by default seems to add wideness and upper mid saturation the more you increase it. Also, the limiter is not just a normal limiter... it seems to use the three separate signals from the multi bands to do adaptive limiting on the three separate bands rather than the signal overall like the pro L2