Streaming Versus Vinyl - Can You Hear A Difference?

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[@zekiyugnak3164]

I can hear the difference. I like the second one. Low and low mids are totally different. More relaxed and easy to listen to the second one.

[@jaygopinath1694]

Because vinyl has a different mixing and mastering to cd

[@skorpers]

@@jaygopinath1694 This isn't CD they are comparing to, this is vs streaming. So it depends on which mix and master the streaming service is using as the source. I.E a flac will sound terrible if the source material is a terrible mix. A good mix going to MP3 will sound like a good mix that ended up on vinyl.

[@jaygopinath1694]

@@skorpers that's not my point at all read before you comment

[@skorpers]

@@jaygopinath1694 I read, the problem is that you don't understand how audio works, so you lash out when you learn. You literally said "different mix" even though there's no evidence in the video that the two even come from a different mix. And it's also not talking about a CD. The video didn't mention CD's the comment didn't mention CD's. You can literally record a vinyl album and then convert it to an MP3 file and it will sound identical to the vinyl. You can make an MP3 from the original recording from the studio, and use the same sample for your vinyl. Same thing. Nothing that you are saying applies to what was being said. CD's also never had different mixes, they just had wrong mixes because they were given the same compensation in equalization that they did for tape and vinyl, however the CD's didn't have the same losses as analog which make that redundant. When they realized this error then CD mixes became identical, and higher quality.

[@jaygopinath1694]

@@skorpers Does one have to consider how a song is mixed when recording to vinyl or is that commonly a mastering issue to determine? Mastering for vinyl is different. Particularly in that the amount of low end you can put on vinyl is limited, as too much will cause the cutting lathe to jump out of the groove. Mastering and mixing for vinyl is slightly different thays a fact so i don't why you're so confused about what i meant lol its cool i not mad tho you seem to be i was not lasting out i was just stated a fact Mixing for vinyl - basic rules The recording engineer has largely been freed from the limitations of equipment dictating how creativity should be tailored to work within a given medium. Working with vinyl, however, requires a return to awareness of what the medium can and cannot do - there are undeniable laws of physics at work here. The first aspect is playing time. Increased level on disc is created by increased lateral excursion in the groove and this eats up the disc surface reducing playing time. Your disc mastering engineer should be able to advise on levels versus playing time. Take great care with the extremes of frequency. High frequencies such as cymbals, some brass instruments, or vocal sibilance can cause real problems. There is already HF pre-emphasis applied prior to cutting in the form of the RIAA curve and if the signal has high levels of HF there is a possibility of cutter head damage, or an unpleasant effect on disc. The mastering engineer will employ acceleration limiters to protect his gear but may also have to process your master to get around this. Low frequencies have a different problem particularly if there are equal levels of opposing phase information present. This increases the vertical movement that cheaper cartridges will find difficult to track as the groove goes alternately shallow/narrow to deep/wide. Although this could be cut, it is likely that you would have an unplayable disc that nobody was happy with. To overcome this, a low frequency crossover system would be employed that allows the LF to be reordered and cut such that the LF is cut common in both channels. If this problem had been created by errors in mic technique then it would be advisable to use an oscilloscope to monitor out-of-phase material. However, some effects units can create extreme out-of-phase conditions that can be uncuttable. The vinyl disc doesn’t have the full usable dynamic range of modern digital media and this has to be borne in mind when mixing for it. If you make the right adjustments during mixing, the transfer to disc can be a relatively painless process. Otherwise you leave it to the skill of the cutting engineer to realise your mix on disc; he will have to apply what processing he needs to achieve that with no guarantee that it is true to what you had in mind when mixing."

[@victorlujan5583]

There is a difference. My guess is input 1 is streaming and 2 is vinyl. I liked both.

[@makstaz79]

😂😂😂😂

[@BigBoyBananaMan]

Mee too

[@dwiartoharmawan8253]

Me too

[@markopperman1480]

Yep

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Yeap I agree vinyl more smooth and relaxed

[@CLKAMG]

Finally a video from this guy without any dollar value or price or money talk

[@AJLeadbetter]

Gonna say Vinyl was the 2nd one

[@Juan-rd5jf]

Vinyl has a slight chorus/wavy vhs type effect that i really enjoy

[@michaelrovner4165]

easy to hear the difference..one is brighter and more dynamic than the other

[@jlo8775]

Must be awesome to have bat hearing 🦇 😂

[@jaysaudiolab]

​@@jlo8775lol

[@aristomenisxv5213]

I think the 2nd one is vinyl, it has a more saturated presentation in the lower frequencies something I associate with vinyl.

[@jaysaudiolab]

OK

[@clicks59]

There is a difference. I’d say 2 is vinyl due to the heavy bottom end. You wouldn’t happen to know who engineered Sinatra and Swingin’ Brass, would you? Phenomenal recording for 1962. BTW, “Rumors” was recorded at Sound City in LA. The studio was chosen by Mick Fleetwood because he loved the sound of his drums in the live room. Many artists chose Sound City because of that live room sound.

[@abc456f]

I've always found Fleetwood Mac's recordings to be extremely clear and crisp. The people who do their engineering/mixing/mastering do a great job.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

A huge difference in presence and lower mids as well as the presentation of the cymbals.

[@kafkaworkshere]

Vinyl has more mid-bass. There's more warmth and slam. The streaming makes the vinyl sound muted and veiled. The vinyl makes the streaming sound cold and less impactful. Without an A/B, you wouldn't notice. Each can be modified to sound more like the other.

[@iadezedeen4051]

I guess the first one is streaming. Not bad but I can feel the Second one has more separation and dynamic.

[@sammyh2708]

Love both, prefer the second one, first seems more perfect/digital, second full body analogue 💪

[@jaysullivan9545]

Yes, there is a difference. However, with the high quality recording you are playing, as well as a competent vinyl playback system, the differential in this one example, is not as large as expected. The quality of the stream and digital gear also play a role. Sometimes digital will sound better, sometimes vinyl sounds better. Always boils down to the quality of the source production and execution. My guess is #2 is vinyl.

[@martinLim-oj2tn]

This is a good turntable, ordinary turntable sounds very color and poor low

[@budsmoker4201120]

​@@martinLim-oj2tn.......lol 😂.....

[@johnmason6213]

I don’t know how anyone can prefer #1 over #2 or even hear them as close. To me its like comparing a Bose speaker to a Focal. I guess this proves to me that it is very subjective. Maybe like singing bowls you pick the one that you feel is best for you. What a wonderful hobby, there are so many separate discussions to be had!

[@AZaksLife]

The difference is quite audible, in the second one the equalization is very different and less flat. Much more pleasant.

[@musica_emovere]

Not even fair, second one sounds like real instruments are actually playing. I know it's the 45 rpm version of Rumours, I got it too and can always recognize the sound.

[@olivercarlehed]

First one is clearly streaming. Sounds very sharp in the 1k-3k Hz range like it’s falling apart. Analogue very consistent. Thank you

[@suhs144]

Difference is not important, which one you like better on site that's what I want to know.

[@paulduggan5323]

Spot on, I said the same thing myself in different words (about 20 odd posts above 👆)

[@jedclampett4215]

Don't know which the first one was, but, the first one didn't seem as sharp as the second one.

[@markmarks1365]

That turntable is very pleasing on the eye!!!

[@matthewhumcke3182]

a maaaajor difference, even on my phone with youtube compression. the first sounds alot more open and bigger, as if the instuments are in a nice open room. the second one instantly gets super, super tight and compressed like they got in a trash compacter, much more bass and thinner, tighter sound. if the second one is vinyl, id argue theres probably different mixing choices or different sources (AAD, ADD whathaveyou) than the streaming

[@bikeman7982]

I had a very similar take. The second one sounds more congested.

[@Romulus980]

I can hear the difference, first one was bright upfront sound second one was like all vitallity in the sound has been drained out (like hearing through a slight tunnel)

[@user-sz9dc4bo3j]

The second sounded like it had a lot more range than the first one. The deeps were deeper and highs were higher atleast to me

[@betaomega04]

There is a significant difference. The first sample sounds like you're sitting in the venue, had a lot of air and openness in the sound. The second one sounds like you're hearing something off a mixing board; a more direct and full sound.

[@glennmcdonald7673]

The second one sounds better

[@HemSCC]

Spot on

[@Wuppie62]

​@@glennmcdonald7673 The 2nd sounds warmer, but is it purely because of the vinyl, or is it caused by something else...?

[@tenga3tango]

You all do know that before a vinyl is pressed. The original music needs to be boosted in.some sound spectrum and suppressed in some sound spectrum to make up for the diamond cutters tone arms inherent limitations with ability to cut a grroove in the master metal platter . Some sound cannot be reproduced accurately as is the limitation of vinyl medium. It depends on the sound enginners's taste and skill. Vinyl has physical and laws of physics limitation. Digital is better able to reproduce the original sound. Vinyl deteriorates over time and number of plays and stylus wear out too.

[@frankgarcia9834]

And yet it still sounds better 😂. Plus, your wrong about thr RIAA equalization curve and its purpose. 😂 lol by the way I love all ways to play music 🎶 🎵 😌 😊.

[@nelsonrecoba4691]

Second one sounds as it has somekind of mesh/cotton filter while first one is more raw. I prefer guitar's sounds of 1st one but bass sounds are better on second

[@agustinmireles5817]

Yes definitely. Both sound great but different

[@ramizlayaud327]

The second sequence is thicker. More bass and thicker drum. The first has more reverbe in the electric guitar. Guitars are close on both, drums and bass much more dynamic on second sequence. I would chose the second sequence

[@jaysaudiolab]

Cool

[@Roof_Pizza]

Digital has more dynamic range than vinyl.

[@Taevas___]

​@@Roof_Pizza While that's true, most digital releases compress the living hell out of the dynamics. On the other hand, most Vinyl releases usually retain atleast some of the dynamic range.

[@yogawithcorey6042]

Which was 1st played?

[@mikechivy]

@@yogawithcorey6042 the digital for sure was the first. This is somewhat unfair as the vinyl was mastered by Kevin Gray, and I have no idea who did the digital. This means there was much more attention to detail on the vinyl

[@CookieCurls]

You can hear the sibilance distortion from the vinyl on the second one.

[@SpeedySen]

Gosh.. I think the 2nd one has more dynamics and is livelier! The 1st one sounds a bit flat!😢 Sorry if I differ from the rest but that’s what I heard!😊

[@notmanatee2445]

Yes,vinyl has better bass response and mid range response than digital, which to my ears ,the streaming sounds compressed in my opinion.

[@AFellowCyberman]

​@@notmanatee2445The streaming version is likely taken from a modern remaster whereas the vinyl is an older pressing.

[@LordKreiden]

I really like the second one better, it seemed more open sounding and the hi hat was definitely clearer and more robust. Was that digital or analog?

[@walidkhalife7349]

Yes, I hear a difference. A is more airy and B more bassy (a little boomy. Assuming you started with A.

[@DJPhantomRage]

Sounds amazing on my phone

[@bobk3840]

Lol

[@crespow1990]

😂

[@Temmple]

Big time. Vinyl is the second one and DAC is the first.

[@kavehvali4548]

Hard to tell when listening on my computer but vinyl seems to have deeper bass and more space but streaming high pitch more crystallized .. but both sound pretty great!

[@jaysaudiolab]

Thanks for sharing!

[@razaagha7598]

I knew the first was digital and second was vinyl, but the problem in vinyl it's always lacking the umpff there's no boom no bass, I also find the clarity and the blackness better in digital

[@YountPower]

First one sounds like streaming, due to the low end being quieter in the mix. Second one is vinyl, due to the livelier tone and a stronger presence on the low end.

[@Larwiz]

So the first one seemed to have more body, but less detail and top end. I'm guessing that was the vinyl. The 2nd one, natural, had less body/mids, but more detail and treble. It was a cleaner sound and more to my preference.

[@acme.videos]

Big difference! I like the 2nd source.

[@joshuat5140]

With the right setup Vinyl just sounds phenomenal. Plus i love to collect records myself.

[@444Patricky]

Difference is in soundstage. Vinyl only sounds richer and warmer. Nice while doing the dishes for example.

[@AtoEactor]

There’s a difference. I’m thinking “B” is vinyl. It sounds just a bit warmer to me. That’s my guess.

[@doctorarkitekt]

there sound like there is some extra gain from one leading to a little more wattage and fuller sound. the compression makes it sound a little flat. another sounds like their is more information. the digital sounds compressed with less dynamic range. the vinyl sounds like their is more head room.

[@mharrison557]

I think that vinyl was the second one.. i dont stream anymore since getting into vinyl and have a modest set up..hope im right !?😅😅

[@manuelnunes3535]

There is a noticeable difference. The vinyl has a thicker bass and highs and upper mids are more laid back and less transparent

[@dbetaki8846]

Second one is nostalgia portal. Lol. I love it. Just ordered my first “mixtape” vinyl with my personal choices and a record player. Can’t wait !!! ❤❤❤

[@tech4life884]

Absolutely not and we can't because KZbins algorithm lowers the audio quality for some devices and every device that viewers are using also makes a difference. There's alot of variables in our way to actually hear any difference.

[@BeeLineInternational]

Exactly.

[@tesmith47]

and the source is artificial manipulated narrow bandwidth , COMPRESSED ROCK!!!

[@HB92647]

My wife could hear the difference from the other room. She says the second one is vinyl. I'm using a 2013 apple Mac book.

[@BRUNO-cj9wd]

One is clearly brighter than the other I would say the brighter is the vinyl

[@jonlotus7062]

First file sounds definitely more compressed so it must be streamed. The second file sounds more open, airy, smoother, more natural and less compressed. So, it must be the vinyl!👍

[@dlfrestoration]

The bottom button sounded way better was that streaming?

[@AIDAHAR210]

Both sounds amazing on my Samsung galaxy speaker

[@manywayz2be]

Now what are your equalizer settings? I like to make clear sound adjustments with a medium to slightly higher bass. With medium mids. I think speakers come into play. Now if im listening with headphones. Then its even more of a complicated difference. Whichever produces clear deep sounds im good with.

[@marcroth3033]

2 is vinyl. That fat rounded bottom. And a bit less extension. Both sound great Jay!

[@brentcollins9727]

Haha!!!! Wouldn’t that be funny if he was messing with you? And the richer sound is actually the DAC? 😂😂😂

[@superdougie10]

Yes, absolutely could hear a difference. In the highs of that guitar and the widened sound stage that was not as flat.

[@Boswd]

the second one had a slighter lower / warmer / fuller pitch

[@j.m.harris4202]

Through the Medium we are listening there is a distinct difference! 😎 Great Sound either way Jay! I will wait for the conclusion and your determination on this Battle! 👍

[@jaysaudiolab]

Awesome, thank you!

[@xburgos1]

The supple base It never lies Chico ( smoother and more rounded on the turntable)

[@carlosmoralespompa]

More low frequencies in the vinyl, though low freq are not the strongest side of a vinyl.

[@dajsheva6280]

the input from the digital is warmer compared to the vinyl?

[@bikeman7982]

I'd dare say the first one is streaming and the second vinyl. The first one sounds cleaner and open. The second one has a congested mid-bass.

[@kobial8406]

There's a difference. Listen for that Cymbal sound, it sounds clearer on Vinyl.

[@luisdimarco5102]

Option one sounds more alive, the second one it’s dark for my taste.

[@jasonpomare5639]

With that equipment I bet everything sounds good.

[@coolcat2005dj]

yes i did, 1 source definitely has better lows. but don't know from which?

[@raynabozny2338]

YES Then second is vinyl it's smoother the digital is hash

[@sonicsaviouryouwillnotgetm6678]

Is the mastering the same? it doesn't sound like it.

[@dickdeveraux]

I can hear the difference. I notice a difference in my own system too. Lately I've preferred the sound from my streamer and dac. Vinyl and streaming are my only 2 sources right now. Getting ready to add a cd transport and build up a cd collection

[@EricksAudioAdventures]

First is vinyl (input 1). I have made the same comparison and now use DSP on streaming and prefer it to my analog rig.

[@anthonyvasquez1259]

There is no lossless audio on KZbin.

[@janflipkens4719]

Is the analog signal completely gone from vinyl to speaker or are there still AD/DA converters in between.?

[@mikechivy]

It would be complete analog from the turntable into the preamp/amp, into the speakers…

[@ohjoy40]

There is obviously going to be a difference without question, BUT there are intrinsic differences that can favor one format over the other. Now let me start by saying I overall prefer analog BUT it depends on how it was recorded and mastered onto each format. There are times analog is better and other times it was poorly mastered onto vinyl and the digital versions is better. So in that case you need to have both formats and the trick is discover and purchase the best sounding version of that music. So it’s not that simple in playing one version over the other unless it’s explained on what versions you’re comparing ! Also I did hear a volume difference contrary to your statement.

[@arvidlystnur4827]

EQ was different more upper midrange in one with less top and bottom.

[@shanestephenson8423]

Hi Jay definitely number one was the streaming and two was the turntable IMO

[@vtgadgeteria564]

One sound more open and a bit richer second one bit dull and little softer

[@bencausey]

Yep can hear a difference.

[@lawrencecornell3430]

The vinyl has a deep reduction in highs and a bump in the lows compared to the digital… either way it would come down to preference. In real world testing they would trade blows as some songs would sound better on vinyl and others better on digital.

[@aldolasc6186]

What I love when I play records is the output potency, sounds powerful even on a lower volume but digital sounds a little muffed like and weak so I always turn the volume much higher

[@canuckinbulgaria8893]

Digital all the way, fuck this hipster record crap. Fuck tradition, embrace modernity

[@amandaspencer1304]

The live stream was more harsh. Vinyl is best for hearing music. Live streaming/digital is best for listening to music. Do you hear what I say? But, listening through a cellphone speaker does neither justice. Both have their place.

[@ThePerfeckted]

Absolutely can hear difference. I prefer number 2.

[@chadkayser7010]

2 has the vinyl sound. 1 is very accurate, crystal clear where 2 has like a filter on it but warmer and inviting. Depends on likes. Awesome job love the equipment

[@lokoloko7121]

Hi. As a vinyl collector I would like to say that this turntable could sound way better. It's not sounding really good. Probably it's not properly regulated. (the cartridge or even the turntable). And this streaming quality is f**king good! What streaming service is that? Thanks.

[@cirenosnor5768]

Like the 2nd one better. Among other things that hasn’t been mentioned yet: there’s more space and air with the hi-hats. Then the more obvious stuff as well like better separation of instruments. The second is vinyl

[@writenamehere0000]

Love the first version, whatever device it is since he didnt say what is what during switching

[@dtz1000]

They are both 128kbps MP3 as that is what youtube uses.

[@h.walker1332]

There is a difference but id have to listen in person to have an actual preference. Every set up is different.

The first one have a metallic sound.

[@user-hz4dt2vv6o]

Digital gear is hard on the ear the futher from analog the harder on the ear meaning streaming is the worst way to play music its like having stars without dark matter if it must be digital dat or dcc

[@andyr8812]

It's absurd to compare that. Any sound coming out of KZbin is digital. Vinyls have also been originally digitally mastered or remastered since the early 1980s.

[@rivaldovillegas3725]

first seem to be more clear which I assume is the streaming. I can hear it very well while Vinyl is more low, not as loud.

[@johnosborne9323]

I can hear it…don’t know which is which but they’re different

[@philosophiaentis5612]

We are listening just to 128 kbps compressed youtube audio so it is impossible to compare any of them since both sounds through digital compressed streaming.

[@HenrikScheel_]

yes, but the difference in character is still obvious.

[@DrNoahBoddy004]

I’m probably wrong, (and it wouldn’t be the first time) I have the slightest feeling, streaming might work best in aiding broadcast FM’s limited 30Hz-15kHz dynamic frequency response range.

[@jedisalvador]

2nd sounds better, I closed my eyes

[@n10cities]

One had a little more treble to me. That turntable is a BEAST!

[@LXG_BGMI]

The big question is what’s the music? I love it

[@kornfold]

But when we listen to it on KZbin both are streaming

[@justindunn3439]

Lot warmer on the vinyl side.

[@hifisymphony]

Yes, vynil is more warm and natural, 1st was streaming, second was vinyl

[@jeffbayhylle4433]

Could tell a difference, but which is which, I can't say.

[@bigmike4133]

The first input sounds better to me but I honestly couldn't tell you which one it was