Should you buy used pc parts?

Today I take you on a ride where I shop, buy, receive, inspect, and build a low budget gaming PC sourced entirely from Ebay...
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00:00 Intro
01:15 Parts Selection
15:10 Unboxing Stuff
22:31 Bench Testing
31:21 Case Review
35:43 Conclusions

[@colonelangus7535]

PayPal and eBay both have buyer protection for DOA or "not as listed" items.

[@arnox4554]

^ THIS. Ebay back in the day used to get all these damn court cases about screwed up items until they finally said, "enough of this shit," and launched a bunch of buyer protection programs. Now, I feel fully safe ordering from Ebay and in all my time ordering with them, I've only ever had one item be, "not as listed," which was a 980 Ti. And even then, the buyer was super nice. Gave me a refund without asking for the item back or anything. (Actually I tried to take it down to a repair shop so he wouldn't have to refund all of it at least, but he just wanted to be done with it. lol)

[@darthwiizius]

Yeah, it literally says "Buyer Protection" all over the place.

[@joshuamorris9050]

@@arnox4554 yea some of these sellers are shady

[@Nite-Lite-Gamers]

@@joshuamorris9050 And you also get shady buyers to be fair........

[@salmon85]

just make sure to take pictures of everything when opening the boxes. then you have more chance of getting your money back with "not as listed"

[@tacticalfuzzy]

Hi Jay, eBay's money back guarantee will have you covered, the "No Returns Accepted" part is for when someone just changes their mind on things. When a purchase is found to be faulty or damaged then the protections of the eBay money back guarantee will kick in.

[@mj1s735]

The 1st step is to contact the seller and ask for a refund because the CPU had missing pins, If they say no, file a complaint with eBay and they will side with you over this and you will get a refund! About the only way eBay my not side with you, would be if you waited a long while before you claimed the CPU had bent pins. I am not sure if they still do, but I remember in the past eBay would wait up to 2 weeks before the funds of a sale on electronics was made available to the seller.

[@YOEL_44]

Jay is so freaking uninformed in anything that escapes his tiny bubble, it's almost comical...

[@Biggarou]

yep Ebay has safeguards in it's sales so that you can get recomped when things go bad with what you bought. It's almost never buyer beware, more like the oppisite

[@THEpicND]

@@YOEL_44 even in his tiny bubble he doesn’t know much, I mean come on, what was the first amd overclocking video

[@alberttheroa4164]

agree, ebay buyer protection is if you receive an item and it is "not as described" ie working. you get a refund.

[@ineedmymodfixed]

I personally haven't ever bought used, but as an enthusiast who upgrades needlessly I sell my components. Everything I've ever sold has gone smoothly without anyone complaining about parts not working because I pull them out of a functioning system and sell them.

[@Born_Stellar]

I had a guy start texting me angerly about the ram i sold him being bad. I knew it was good so I ignored it and later he said it was ok.

[@holybeefgaming5840]

As someone who sells on ebay this video was great for me, Seeing how lazy some people can be with their packaging is wild. Us ebay sellers only have that feedback no point in risking a bad one from shipping damage due to lack of material.

[@z33thr33]

My guy. I literally just got a free GPU and RAM because I tried to buy a used tower and the seller wrapped a linen sheet around it and put it in an oversized box. Box was dropped in shipping, case feet caved in, screws sheared off backplate, PCI-E slot ripped halfway off. It may even be repairable, but i got it for free because it's not worth it for them to pay $60 to ship back a gamble

[@lawyerdhop]

With the CPU, you should contact the seller for a refund. 9/10 the seller will give you a refund. Lastly, eBay has a buyer protection policy so even if someone is selling something as "no returns", eBay will make the buyer refund you for a product that is "not as described."

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

yeah that No Returns" is if the product is as presented used But Good this was obviously NOT Good and Damaged.

[@VikingDudee]

@@AlbertoMartinez765 They can say no returns all they want, but if its described as working and is not, that sellers no returns just got thrown out the window, Ebay will make him refund the buyer or well ebay will refund the buyer and seller has to fight ebay on it.

[@Poire33]

As these two other commenters have said here, the "no returns" thing is in a situation where it's "oh no, I bought the wrong thing" or whatever, it has nothing to do with defective parts, which would obviously be covered by buyer protection.

[@yoool7137]

what if the sellers says, when i send it, the pins were ok

[@griminc6548]

@@yoool7137 8mn old comment, but Ebay would side with the buyer in situations like that, actually 90% of the time Ebay sides with the buyer even if the buyer is lying and the seller has 100% proof.

[@bmfbowtie6679]

I only needed to do it once, but ebay is basically no questions asked, if the item isn't as described, or faulty etc they issue a refund.

[@zombl337og]

yea ebay is pretty legit, especially nowadays, one of my favorite places to shop

[@floridalottery3134]

The only issue is people abuse the fuc out of it...they use the items then get 30 days to return it. So..

[@alexandruilea915]

@@floridalottery3134 It's the same for retailers in my country. Everything you buy online in Europe has at least 14 days return without questions asked policy.

[@Brabant076]

@@floridalottery3134 It's 180 days for Paypal, and people will wait 179 days to ask for a refund. :(

[@travisdonotsuscribegototjs9323]

@@floridalottery3134 part of the reason why i don't like selling on ebay for all the stuff i don't need rather scrap the stuff

[@McKevittS]

I've bought a half dozen CPU's on Ebay and never had a problem. CPU's are pretty robust if all the pins are straight. Bought easily a dozen GPU's (maybe 2 dozen) and only ever had 1 fail after 6 months of use. Don't be afraid of used, its really not scarry

[@MetalMan1245]

eBay buyer protection is amazing. Every time I have gotten a bad product I have gotten a refund, no questions, not even a return, but components like that Ryzen chip will probably require it, but eBay is REALLY good about forcing the seller to stand behind their products if they are damaged.

[@nathannewell3327]

Yeah i'm not sure why he was saying that you couldn't get your money back. Ebay has a reputation for siding with buyers when it comes to refunds.

[@jamesbyrd3740]

it's so amazing that it's a scammer paradise. ppl just take your shit and get refund

[@NM-vw6xq]

When it's that amazing to the point of being abusive, they did not get it right. And thats exactly what happened. There is so much buyer protection that seller has zero recourse for anything: buyer can literally claim anything and get his/her money back and seller would have to spend a fortune on a lawyer to do anything (even with all the proper proof). I've sold on ebay for nearly a decade and it's turned into scammers paradise for buyers (used to be sellers). I don't think a middle ground will ever exist because someone always wants to screw someone else over.

[@gr33kb0y99]

@@NM-vw6xqthe middle ground would be for EBay to spend their own money and hire (a lot) of teams of mediators to oversee each case. This will probably never happen, as I imagine that would seriously cut into their margins.

[@ChristopherAndersonPirate]

@@nathannewell3327EBay is also making their sellers pay for it now, so EBay is no longer a platform worth selling on for the little guy unless you want to lose 15% on a sale. Local marketplace and Craigslist it is for me.

[@kevinm8715]

I'm honestly surprised that the GPU worked. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't have just straightened the metal plate on the GPU before selling it. It takes about 90 seconds and could have easily resulted in another $20-$40 by not having it look damaged.

[@Clavichordist]

I have a feeling that occurred when the seller was yanking the card out of his system. The backplate I agree is a touch-n-go type thing. In the past, I've had plates that needed to be bent to fit inside some horrible PCs we had to work on. We got some white-box PCs from a local builder that came in with no video cards and only the CD-drive, hard disk, motherboard and RAM. We had the fun of finishing off the machines for the customers because that required adding in a standard video card plus a Broadway MPEG decoder. The video card had to be matched with the Broadway card and that wasn't always possible, so we stocked the video cards separately and bought the cheap generic white boxes. These cases were horrible and so was the build. I made many recommendations to management to ditch the supplier because we had some cards actually fall out of slots and the motherboards weren't always grounded! When an expensive video capture card fried due to falling out of the slots, the boss was told to forget his friendship with the PC-supplier and find someone else. This was back in the 1990s and the card from ///Fast AG cost $25K USD. Today, we use USB cables and cheaper cameras. Back then, the camera was also in the $25K range and the video quality was adequate for VHS tapes. We also had a backplate that was bent, not because it wouldn't fit properly due to the cheap case. That card we were told was dropped. From the outside appearances, the card looked okay. Who knows what the problem was but the card ended up being scrapped. In the end, the PC supplier went belly up a short time after the company pulled its contract.

[@HkRose]

had to of been in shipping that deflated air packing shows it, shitty shipping on the seller

[@kevinm8715]

@@HkRose Nope. He said the listing showed the bent bracket.

[@WirrWicht]

@@Clavichordist If the seller didn't use a open bench rack, than I doubt that the bending happened this way. It would most likely bend outwards. This card fell on the slot tab of the front plate and absorbed just enough energy. At the presumed angle it fell backwards on its PCB. Maybe the screws on the back provided just enough clearance or the card fell on a carpet.

[@Clavichordist]

@@WirrWicht The plate didn't get bent to make the card fit, I agree but if he just yanked the card out of a computer without care, that could also bend the tabs. There really are so many possibilities for a bend or a twist. May be Jay should set up a drop test to see which drop, fall, pull test causes the issue. 🙂

[@Fr0st24]

For someone who always wants to avoid problems by buying new you sure took alot of questionable chances when selecting these parts. Its pretty easy to find used parts from reliable sellers and ebay has buyer protection so in essence the no return policy is null and void.

[@rbitrossome]

Never buy an AM4 cpu that doesn't have photos of the pins in the listing, unless the box is still sealed.

[@Born_Stellar]

@@rbitrossome if anything marked working comes damaged you can use ebays protection. they *usually have no reason to send you broken stuff. (surprised jay did as I've bought a more than a few cpus and never had an issue)

[@shaneWARs1]

I'm pretty sure he did it on purpose think someone has never used ebay to buy parts

[@Noodlepunk]

And read it carefully I was looking at some. Used cpus and someone was selling just the box for like 100.00.

[@Poire33]

The "no return" thing is only if you *want* to return the item, just like the power supply vendor could have done with their PSU. If it's defective, the buyer protection applies.

[@cxaviera9607]

Looks pretty badass for a used budget build. Great video as always, Jay! I'm sure this'll be useful for a lot of new builders

[@juliancc4710]

i scored a 1070 for $75 on ebay. real 1070, works perfectly fine. was a great find !

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

Jay Needs Alcohol again🤣🤣

[@teslagod7221]

I got gtx 1080 mini for 15,500 yen or about 110 us dollars. My 14yo son is enjoying his gaming on his 4th gen used pc with a much greater and better gpu than the old 2nd hand 1060 3gb i bought about 6 months or more before i got the 1080 mini. The 1060 3gb was enough but my 12yo daughter is wanting her own gaming pc, so, i transfered the 1060 3gb on a supposed 7th gen pc i was building for myself,which have the expensive stuff as second hand but the new on cheaper ones like case,fans,ram,etc. So, i am back on my old 3rd gen pc. But i am planning to go for 10th or 11th gen, after i finished building the 9th gen pc for my son's 15th bday which is coming soon...

[@stacksvii5528]

Hint: Check what the other items people are selling are. A lot of people grab up items for cheap and then resell on eBay to make a quick buck. If they are selling only computer parts, there should be a better chance that they know what to look for in a faulty part. If they are selling an assortment however, it could mean they have no clue about what works and does not work. Hint 2: Private sellers like I was are generally willing to take more pictures if you ask them. The buyer of the motherboard, CPU, and Memory combo I sold this year asked for some more close up shots of both the CPU and motherboard which I was more than willing to provide. eBay has a pretty good system in place for private sellers and potential buyers to communicate with one another.

[@IamEggy3]

i bought most of my pc second hand, its worth about £1700k but i bought everything for £1200! super happy with the results lol ive been using it for about a month or two and it's great

[@yahyasajid5113]

I've spent close to 14k on used parts on ebay and can't think of a time I've lost money, sure I've had faulty stuff but ebay have always sided with me and got my money back

[@legeaux1]

@@yahyasajid5113 jay doesn’t know that

[@NSA.Monitored.Device]

@@yahyasajid5113 Can only agree! As long as you don't tamper with the item and are able to describe the issue. And yeah, feels like PayPal loves to side with the customer. Had some annoying ones and always had a tough time convincing PayPal of my PoV.

[@MikeMcGee-vw2wx]

Love how honest and forward your videos are. How informational and accurate. You've single handedly turned an interest of mine into a passionate hobby. Get better Jay. Thanks for it all, you and your team.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

the cpu is missing pins🤣🤣

[@LelandHasGames]

Recently, I built a PC using mostly used parts. An ebay seller wouldn't actually ship the CPU that we had ordered. We ended up ordering a new CPU and, surprisingly, the used motherboard we ordered had the BIOS updated. Something to take into consideration when buying used parts. Sometimes parts are compatible but require a bios update and sometimes those boards do not have an updated bios.

[@rubbers3]

The biggest advice I can give, when buying used parts is what you save in price you have to spend back in the time. Looking through listings to find the best ones, contacting the sellers to check what you're worried about, ask for photo of the cpu pins etc.

[@DemonSaine]

very VERY small price to pay if you find good deals. There are certain parts I would buy new even if looking for used deals.

[@nismogurl]

The "Steve" banter was hilarious! I think it's funny when creators joke about one another in their videos! As a somewhat new PC gamer, I have a few components leftover from upgrading my current build, I've actually thought about buying used parts to build a second PC for my niece BUT after this I may reconsider. Thanks for the content Jay! ❤✌🏽

[@phydeux]

It would have been wild if Steve came out with a video saying that it was indeed his sale. 😁 Also, if you do choose to buy used you can somewhat protect yourself by demanding proof of testing/condition. -- Photos of the CPU and pins at high resolution showing straight pins AND a video where they flip the chip over in front of the camera so you can see the serial number correlated to the pin condition. This prevents them using a pair of pictures of the serial they send you and pins from another chip. Plus a full CPUz report. -- Drive usage test results that show uptime/usage statistics and serial number. And of course photos of the specimen. -- GPUz report from the GPU in question showing the serial number. And photos of course. -- Motherboard/CPU/GPU inventory compared to the "in this box" list you can get from the manual, which should be publicly available online. And photos that include the serial number. -- RAM serial numbers and SPD information from CPUz. This will prove functionality as well as specs. If the seller balks at producing ANY of these, walk away. A good seller will take the time to produce proof, especially since most of these only take a few minutes to generate.

[@ervingoss5442]

Ebay has a buyer protection plan, so if you do buy used, it would be covered. Two different times, I had to use this guarantee. One with a CPU that had bent pins. Shipped it back for free, had a brand new one shipped to me. The second one was a GPU. I paid for a RX 6700XT, and received a RX 6500. Big difference in cards. Put in a claim, shipped it back and got a refund.

[@nowknow]

Jay is the only person I've seen that actually cares about the box so much. I've been trading, buying, selling used pc and server equipment for so long and nobody really bats an eye about that.

[@doctorwho311]

eBay has a satisfaction guarantee, if something arrives not as advertised they will force a return even if the seller doesn’t accept them, so that isn’t lost money

[@CraptacularOne]

X370 was not native generation for 3000 series Ryzen CPUs. X370 was native for the 1000 series chips like the Ryzen 1700

[@chloedevereaux1801]

yeah isn't it B450 and X470 for 2- 3000 ryzen?..

[@amshumang]

Yeah, I was scrolling to see a comment saying this if not I would've said it myself.

[@TAP7a]

@@chloedevereaux1801 Even the 500 series motherboards - you had to do a BIOS update to get Ryzen 5000 chips to work on earlier X570 and B550 boards

[@nevarubutbalts]

A320/B350/X370 was 1Gen native. ryzen 1000 (A320 came out before even ryzen for last gen A processors like the A12-9800) B450/X470 was 2Gen nelative ryzen 2000 A520/B550/X570 was native for 3Gen Ryzen 3000 Ryzen 4000/5000 didnt get new motherboards. X570 is the only one with Full support of all generations. A520/B550 usually does not support 1/2gen + 3gen APUs, but i reality they can run but with mixed results (unstability, non working m.2) Some older boards lose support for older cpus if updated to newer bios, some should but does not. some can be flashed back to older bios, some dont allow it. Its messy in reality with AM4 but thats what You get if you support so much generations.

[@Cinnabuns2009]

He should have taken this board and flashed it to 5000 series and purchased a used 5600/5600X for much greater perf on the cheap.

[@jimhizon29]

The PCs I've built through the years have always been a mix of brand new and secondhand parts. Only once did one of the parts I bought secondhand (a 1650) failed on me, and ironically enough, I got it from a guy who lived just a few blocks away from me. Yes, there are risks to buying secondhand parts, but these risks can be minimized if you know where to look, how to inspect parts, and troubleshoot.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

Also as others stated ebay byer protection is pretty damn good now. It's not the wild west it used to be.

[@sr7olsniper]

Honestly Jay can get his money back from Ebay if he talks to them about the CPU not working. He has video evidence that it was damaged and he even tried to trouble shoot. Not only would Ebay protection help, but if he had bought it with PayPal he would've gotten his money back already just starting a claim. I always sell my used parts on Ebay and make sure I describe as much as possible. So far I have only had happy customers.

[@sr7olsniper]

@@Nighterlev No I mean since he made the video, he would've gotten it relatively quickly. He has proof, he is a known entity, etc. IT wont be instant no, but by if he did it before posting the video it would have probably been over by the time the video was posted.

[@Alex-tu5vu]

Yes exactly, the benefits outweigh the risks if you know what you're doing. I built my first ever PC a few weeks ago and I also mixed used and new parts.

[@fynkozari9271]

I prefer to wait 1 year to buy new products, than buying used a few months. I just dont like being sloppy second.

[@ecko90044]

Man it really shows how Jay uses nothing but new parts. He doesn't know he CAN do returns on faulty/inaccurate products. Ive built all my pcs from mostly used parts from ebay, offerup & mercari no problems when returns were needed.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

meh new always work's kid.🤣🤣🤣

[@danielkissgremsperger3242]

But the world is not USA, where I live there is no ebay. Here i can only trust in the seller that he is not a scammer

[@Rodemu]

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue you look middle aged yet you post emotes with every comment it's embarassing honestly.

[@liahfox5840]

You usually get better buyer protection from Ebay because of irregularities. And if you apply the same principles we all do for deciding value to performance in a CPU. It's worth it, if you can score a big enough discount to warrant not able to return it because you "don't like it." My goal is at least 50% off retail when buying second-hand. That might seem lowball-ish, but catching a brand new bundle on sale can save you up to 30% off retail. I'd buy that over second-hand for a small discount. So my suggestion is if you're going to do it, make sure the juice is worth the squeeze.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

is Steve selling drives?☺🤣

[@Remu-]

What I love about my country (Finland) is that we have a couple of respected tech forums with a market place where you can buy used parts with a pretty peaceful mind because you 99% of the time get what you pay for. In fact, in my 20 years of building my own computers I've only bought brand new components a few times, a brand new GPU just once I believe, and everything else has usually been second hand. Just 2 months ago I got a used RTX 3070 for €400 with a 1.5 year warranty.

[@BeeWarrior_]

1 in 100 dodgy listing is a lot lol

[@malloot9224]

Yeah same here in the Netherlands, great community of hardware sellers

[@Remu-]

@@BeeWarrior_ That's the risk with the second hand market but you can check every users feedback and there's a thread where peopoe report dodgy people so it's overall very safe if you just do your research on the seller. I've never been scammed there and I've bought A LOT of stuff through that forum.

[@saftsuparn3222]

Same in Sweden with Sweclockers.

[@MB-th6of]

Can you please share with me some websites of those trusted markets? I live in germany and I've never bought tech stuff from its Ebay or FB-Marketplace, so I'm hesitant to buy a used GPU from there. If sellers in Finland ship to germany, I'd like to buy from there.

[@Natepwnsu]

For the record eBay will absolutely cover you if you buy something and it doesn't say no functional or damaged for parts which is a option when your creating a listing for a product. Therefore unless it says on the listing damaged for part's and it's not functional like that CPU. You can absolutely get a refund from eBay, if the listing says damage/ for parts then you cannot but otherwise you can.

[@danwat1234]

I have bought over 70 used Small Form Factor (SFF) PCs from eBay for CPU Distributed Computing purposes. They have pretty much all worked flawlessly besides a missing hard drive or something here and there. Buying used rocks.

[@CherryBetta]

All my systems are used parts. I reuse hard drives, case, and power supply that I bought new a few years ago on prime days. The rest is all used. I buy on FB marketplace or local classifieds. I always insist on testing and visual inspection before buying. I have never had an issue. I buy when there are Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Boxing Day or Prime Day sales. The local market tends to be flooded and pricing much lower for quick sale.

[@kidShibuya]

Good to see at least one realistic used market video. Nice job Jay.

[@DexMaster881]

THB with you, Jay. Where I live, our domestic markets kind of have a code of conduct when You sell AMD CPU-s people always take 2 angle pics of Pins. When they don't people avoid it. But most do it. Consider it gentlemen's agreement. Also, sellers usually send Viber Videos of the component working before shipping.

[@im_godness7990]

Same here, it´s the golden rule. It´s like you buy a car and don´t test drive it.

[@garrett3540]

Well, if it makes you feel better my bud dropped my New March 16' R5 1600x. Bent about 70%+ of the pins. It's never had a problem on an an H60 Corsair @4-4.2ghz alll these yrs. Easily best CPU I've ever purchased for price/perf/longevity. Matches or very slightly beats single+threaded perf of R5 2700x. Silicone lotto or did the pins help?..….

[@DexMaster881]

@@garrett3540 lottery m8 i still Have a working FM2 x4 760k @4.7gh all core. But I like AMDs design more you can fix it most of the time and it wont melt if you sneeze on it.

[@51H0N]

One thing I think Jay forgot to mention in this video is that there are reputable companies that do sell open box/used parts that usually come with warranty from them (at least here in the UK). Granted they're probably not as cheap as eBay listings but they're still cheaper than brand new and usually the return rights still apply. They're usually in the clearance section of the site and have letter grades (A being open box, so probably a return to C/D which has visible marks but still works) I'd say that's the happy medium for those on a budget but want a little peace of mind..

[@christianmino4073]

Ebay and pay pal will ALWAYS give you a refund or accept a return if the item comes not as described. Same with Mercari. A smart used shopper can get everything done at MUCH higher of a discount than Jay Got by going to different websites and buying different products from different people.

[@Rspsand07]

Most companies offer warranty be serial number so used items still have warranty if they're not too old. And in my country it is legally required that the warranty be on the product not the original purchaser

[@mytech6779]

​@@christianmino4073 As decribed is the key, many people hate reading or lack enough basic comprehension to spot the details so they get caught out. "As is" or "As pictured"(and not being a clear enough pic or at the right angle can be delivered completely toasted and not be eligible for a refund because the description didn't say it was tested or funtional.

[@MarkusArkus5]

If you are building on a budget I highly recommend shopping local first if you are in a decently populated area. Facebook marketplace has a shocking amount of stuff in my area. Once you find a part, ask if they have other stuff for sale too if they are parting out an old PC and you might be able to get a deal on both. Also it really cannot be overstated just how important it is to look out for bent pins on AMD CPUs and Intel motherboards. Obviously checking the holes/pads on the AMD motherboard and Intel CPU is also important but usually the pins are the problem. Good luck and build on!

[@Born_Stellar]

you have to be even more careful buying in person. I prefer to see it working before I buy from someone locally.

[@Phantom210]

ebay and paypal has buyer protection and this would count as not listed, the part is listed as working even though it clearly does not and is missing pins.

[@LKLM138]

Yea but he bought them months ago.

[@Phantom210]

@@LKLM138 yes I am aware I watched the video released after this one

[@inzanium]

honestly i have had a great experience with 2nd hand products, but trying to buy a cpu was terrible, lots of scamms which i luckily managed to not fall for, so my advice is buy almost anything except for cpu's. edit: make sure you confirm everything is working and make screenshots of the things that are said. Also make sure you use buyer protection so with the evidence you can get your money back!

[@Adrianwe44]

Same

[@iamthepinkylifter]

i bought a used MoBo for my first PC build. Was a little nervous about it (especially bc the deep discount - despite being tested and working - was due to a couple of lightly bent pins on the CPU socket), but it ended up working perfectly. Paid 40 percent of new price, which I put into other components :)

[@-.Kaitty.-]

My current PC is a hybrid. Used GPU. Reused parts from my previous build (RAM, SSDs, AIO, PSU and case) and then new Motherboard and CPU. Has lasted me so far and I wouldn't be opposed to buying another used GPU.

[@MudSluggerBP]

I’d definitely go after eBay for a refund on that CPU

[@dl4523]

It’s just a propaganda piece from some old out of touch dude.

[@tomwol]

may not be so easy if the packages were laying around unopened for a month+ waiting for the video to be made

[@adamadkins9527]

I love jay but i don't really think this is a fair assessment here, Ebay terms state that all items have to be sold as described and if they arrive doa or in this case with broken pins, then jay has 30 days (from the estimated delivery date) to open a SNAD dispute where he can return the item and ebay will assess if it really was a DOA arrival (And with jay unboxing it on camera like this, the seller doesn't have a leg to stand on)

[@MasterBasser]

@@dl4523 are you ok?

[@Jabulaya]

@@dl4523 Honestly man it IS borderline propaganda, but that's what I've come to expect from any tech reviewer. They all have their own person angle, and of course can't forget their sponsors.

[@haydenmurray9696]

I love videos like these. Please do more! I have bought 2 GPU’s off of eBay and I’ve never had a problem.

[@DaysofKnight]

I would prefer he stick to what he does, and stay away from the used stuff. You want used stuff, watch LTT. I like that Jay doesn't dawdle in used. Gets a better idea of what you can expect when you are someone that refuses to buy used parts. And this video is a perfect example for that

[@mike1019831]

Same I bought a 1070 about 4 years ago and it was used for a week and got it for $400. This time got a 2080 for $255 and zero issues with it. Honestly I'm one that buys pc parts 1 or 2 gens out as its much cheaper for me. Since I'm running the 2080 on a old 4690k I bough back in 2015 figured I would upgrade to a 10700k that I can get for about $200ish low-end. A MSI MPG z490 for about $100 bucks and if I want i can upgrade to a 11700k when it gets even cheaper. Then finally only because I like a ton of Ram 64gb corsair Vengeance and yea that one I'm buying new as Jay said in the video its so cheap. Don't need anything else as I'm bringing all my old parts and case with me and built a new pc that was a beast 3 years ago for only $400 bucks. I'm too old to care about the pc race anymore and don't mind buying used so I can get higher end parts that were beasts in their day which for me is usually 2-4 years ago

[@elliotanderson4065]

I have that same case, and I love it. The only downside for me other than the ones you mentioned is that the included fans are molex powered and run full speed all the time, but that's not that big of a deal for having 4 included fans

[@chrisliddiard725]

This is the build i've always wanted to see. The used build. It's a shame he didn't get a confirmed bit-mining GPU just so we could see what it takes to bring one of those back up to spec. [you can usually tell from the seller's purchase history if they are into bit-mining]. Maybe we can have another video dedicated to refurbishing bit-mining GPU's, as there are bound to be tons of 3080's, and 3090's on the used market. Also, that slide of the CPU @16:27 shows a couple of missing pins. Now at @21:47 as Jayz discovers the missing pins. One fix, is to find some pins from something else, place these in the CPU socket in the correct location, but not all the way in. When you put the CPU in it lines up and makes the connection. When you change the CPU, you fish those pins out with a strong magnet attached to a screwdriver or similar to draw those pins out.

[@SAGERUNE]

Honestly that workload is fine. It's steady, and depending on their storage and ambient temp it might be safer than it coming from some user in Montana who is fluctuating between room ambient (cold as hell) and 80c. I have bought gpus knowing that they were mining cards and had zero issues. My trusty 1060ti

[@OGPatriot03]

People who leave their PCs running AFK in game main menus churning out 200 FPS doing nothing put an even greater load on the poor GPU than GPU mining does.

[@Dtr146]

Jay has done a little bit of fear mongering when it comes to buying used parts. Even if the seller does not accept returns. EBay guarantees money back if the items do not work in the way that the seller mentions in the description. Or even if the seller has no description and just has it as used. EBay still guarantees that you're going to get a working item or you get your money back because if it didn't work then it would have to be listed as parts are not working.

[@simonebaraldi9440]

Maybe he's just ignorant about how ebay works (because he doesnt buy from it)?

[@larracis]

Idk if I'd consider it "fear mongering". I doubt he's deliberately trying to scare people away from using ebay. He probably just isn't aware you can return things. I just found it out as well from the comment section.

[@SunshineDeluxe]

I think the point is that you're still taking a chance on the actual item you get. For instance, when covid first became a thing and everyone started working from home, I know a lot of people who scrambled to buy or build computers to use at home, some with less than a week's notice. That money back guarantee doesn't automatically provide you with the component you need when you actually need it. If time isn't an issue, then sure, you can take chances on potentially risky items with the assurance that you won't lose your money. But if time matters, you're going to end up doing what he did and try to get a replacement part. That all factors in to the experience, and I think it's worth at least pointing out, especially since this whole video is geared toward inexperienced builders.

[@Dtr146]

@@SunshineDeluxe he wrote off the CPU when you could send it back. He also wrote off the power supply when you can send that back too. The seller marked the power supply as brand new which is a lie. eBay customer protection covers that. CPU seller did not mention any of the damage which is a misleading post. eBay customer protection covers that.

[@Dtr146]

@@simonebaraldi9440 maybe. Fear-mongering is kind of a strong term but it gets my point across for people that are already afraid buying used parts.

[@DWillis7]

You have money back guarantee with eBay so if it arrives DOA and the listing doesn't mention this, you'll be able to get your money back.

[@spinningourgears2171]

I really really like your videos and learn a lot. I also appreciate the fact that I can tell you were genuinely bummed about the cpu when overall all it affected was this video. It shows you care about your craft and the community. It honestly made me bummed because you were bummed lol

[@Tovinthorn]

Buying used is an amazing experience with DOA risk nearly the same as buying new if you follow many common sense and used buying practices. I've been a flipper buying used and know the guys who do it locally and it's a great way to build, troubleshoot, and make money.

[@BenjieTS]

I like these build videos, please do more :) cheap, mid, to high-end builds. Unlike other million of youtube videos, I like the commentary, explanations, humor etc. Keep it up!

[@craigbomer8962]

Best used parts I ever picked up were a pair of HDDs, a 1TB and a 2TB off my local craigslist. Got them installed in my system and there was still data on them. The previous owner had been running a DJ business and he must have updated his hardware. They were FULL of music and CAD files. After deleting the CAD files, I was able to compile everything to one drive. Every time I hear something I like that's not shiny new music, I go back and search the "music" drive and I usually have what I'm looking for.

[@RichardMontgomeryYT]

Thats pretty cool

[@NeverlandSystemZor]

I love that you do this, b/c for so many (me for many many years) used is THE market for people to get capable and worthwhile level of power and functionality.

[@Drock7749]

I built 2 identical PCs in that case, it's a pretty good case with great airflow. My only issue is between the fans and the mesh is a cheap foam filter that was restricting air flow quite a lot until I removed them.

[@blackfireball5]

In a part 2, you should actually go through the process of utilizing the eBay buyer protection which should cover you in this case to show people how it works. I've had to use it a few times before and they are very good at defending buyers from bad sellers.

[@kencreppin2146]

My experience as well. PayPal on the other hand backs the seller almost all the time.

[@Brabant076]

@@kencreppin2146 I sell second hand IT stuff and if a buyer wants his money back after using a product for 179 days, Paypal will 100% refund them their money without them even returning the item for me to check...

[@Born_Stellar]

@@kencreppin2146 sellers would disagree!

[@christianmino4073]

@@kencreppin2146 You are literally shot the buyer is backed up and will win EVERY time unless you clearly said something that makes it clear that you are trying to pull a scam or didn't read the description right. This isn't an opinion, its a fact.

[@pjohnson21211]

while I do not agree with Jay's assertion that you shouldn't buy used unless you know the person. This is useful to point out the risks small (missing power cable) to big (DOA CPU) you take when buying used.

[@alphadragongamingFTW]

I have done a lot of buying used off of Ebay and never had any real big problems. I just make sure the seller has a decent seller rating and when it comes to returns I have never had any problems returning something, especially if it came damaged.

[@barwit12345]

I love it, reusing old scrap is something I absolutely enjoy doing and seeing others do. I really hope we can get more of this type of vids

[@Born_Stellar]

*looks at my ebay parts pc "it okay buddy, you ain't scrap."

[@MadIIMike]

Same, I sometimes get a car ot two full of PCs that would otherwise get scrapped by companies. Some are older Phenom2/APU/1st gen, most are 3rd/4th gen Intel but I also got a A320M+ 3200G and a X99 with i7 5930X.

[@QuiteLunacy]

I always love these types of videos.

[@bluephreakr]

The Rosewill Spectra is in an ABS-branded box because that's the chassis Newegg uses for their ABS Challenger desktop. See Steve's video about that.

[@peksacola]

Also ill add with what alot of people are saying thats true, it doesn't matter if the seller accepts returns or not, if it's listed as working and it doesn't then eBay will force the return Every single time

[@Born_Stellar]

I've got some knockoff stuff and ebay doesn't even ask you to ship it back. but its knock-off, so.... lol

[@aionboogie1252]

awesome subject matter , thanks again for the great video

[@tomo9992]

Picked up a Rx 6800 XT used on eBay for £400. Never been happier with a purchase.

[@dl4523]

How dare you, this out of touch KZbinr says to never buy used!!!

[@malphadour]

Nice! :)

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

Huh, and I though the new rx 6800xt taichi I got for 540$ was a good deal. congrats! 👍

[@Born_Stellar]

@@MarcABrown-tt1fp £400 is like 500usd, so close. I just bought a 6900 for 650, and i've seen a bunch at that price or even less.

[@mikestaihr5183]

I always look close at the case dimensions in my super econ builds just to make sure I have room... I bought a cheapie from Newegg too. Looked real close at the case dimensions before I chose the one I did.

[@adoksym]

But there still might be a difference when you have your case in front of you. Just happened to me. On paper, everything fit perfectly. In reality? Not so much ... Never underestimate bulky hardware and psu cables ...

[@mikestaihr5183]

@@adoksym True, but that wasn't all that I considered. scrutinized the photos provided and used anything else provided by the manufacturer to make a final decision. Dimension was just a first parameter. If the case isn't deep enough then no amount of wishful thinking is going to make its volume larger.

[@silvercross2020]

i love longer videos, could listen to jay talk about tech for hours

[@g-wolf9445]

Yesterday I finished building my first gaming PC that has used parts in it. The only thing that I will buy used is RAM. RAM sticks are not as susceptible to user induced damage as CPU sockets or AIOs. In the end, if you don’t know what to expect for parts or don’t know what to look for when buying used parts stay away from used parts. “Seller doesn’t accept returns” doesn’t mean squat if they don’t reveal defects. Stay away from used SSDs unless the seller gives you specifics for the read/write speeds at the time of the listing. Don’t buy an item on EBay without the actual pictures of the item being sold. This is a great video if you are working on a budget.

[@DracoSafarius]

Like a bunch of others are saying, eBay buyer protection will force a refund if you get a defective or not as advertised product. It's really only the as advertised stuff to worry about, since they use that listing to get around potentially faulty products.

[@tylynch4525]

Love videos like this because they are relatable and will help the general consumer. A series like this would be great. Also if you are willing to take a hit it would be cool to test out some of the more fringe websites for PC parts to see how reliable you can get stuff to save a bit of money. Thanks for the hard work and time!

[@RandarTheBarbarian]

It's a good video aside from the number of times he brings up that "you're just out that money" you're not, you can't do a changed my mind return but faulty product is covered by the money back guarantee shown in the upper right corner of each listing. It wasn't sold as not working so he could have absolutely gotten his money back. Also it wasn't that long ago but uhhh 300 series boards are not the same generation as 3000 series processors, it was 300 boards to 1000 CPUs, 400 to 2000, and 500 to 3000. A couple brain farts on this one for Mr TwoCents

[@TheShmrsh]

This schmuck can't even buy cpu used , how he can teach anyone ?

[@Seankda]

Every time a piece was missing something or could be damaged, it added on to my stress And now seeing you trying to troubleshoot each part to figure out what's broken stresses me out even more.

[@NickDalton81]

great vid j! thanks for this!

[@ChrisPBacon9]

Ebay is pretty much the only place I'll buy used hardware from because of paypal/ebay buyer protections. Unless its a really old cheap part where i can afford to risk getting a dud from fb marketplace or something

[@latioseon7794]

eBay has a money back guarantee for items that are "not as described" which pretty much makes the seller take it back, you should also always check for pictures of the socket on LGA motherboards and the pins on a PGA CPU because sometimes they might arrived broken and the seller may try to accuse you of doing it..

[@Killswitch1411]

the Seller will still lose. Ebay will always side with Buyer in most cases.

[@nathanabird]

I've been on holiday for a couple of weeks or so, I'm now just catching up on all my YT viewing. It's amusing watching this after already having watched the CPU repair attempts and hearing Jay at around the 27 minute mark say he won't repair it.

[@jpegjake]

I like your tact of playing the market with a budget over linus video looking at the most popular average hardware build. What you are doing in this video is what I do now.

[@Siphonife]

What i would do is use the Ebay buyers protection to get my money back. If it is listed as functional and it isnt. You get your money back. Ive done it many times. I had to do it on a DOA 5950x when they were going for a grand. I got all my money back. Bought a 2nd one and got that one to work.

[@patmacrotch5611]

This. As long as the listing said the CPU worked, no damage, whatever, the buyer will likely get a return approved by ebay.

[@beez3693]

I was dumb and also but an AMD CPU with one missing Pin but because I had it laying around , waiting for my other parts to come , the 30 day protection expired and could do nothing about it

[@UjimasaShun]

One thing that was mentioned but not explored was the read write cycles of that SSD. As nice and fast as they are, these drives have a limited lifespan and you can end up with an SSD that's well over halfway of its useful life when buying used. Always buy new SSDs if you can, or if you're really tight on budget, run some diagnostics on it like crystaldiskinfo to know what to expect of the drive.

[@SnarkyMcSnarkles]

I am not going to say that Jay not knowing the basics of eBay's buyers protection is as bad as The Verge's PC build video but its right up there.

[@darinjohnson3671]

I love it. I would still buy new. I built a new one and went back and forth with Air Cooler or wanter cooler and at the end of the day went with Water cooler from be quite. Also all my fans were upgradced. I went with Corsair 4000D, but tried the Lian Li Airflow case and just was much harder to work in. The 4000D was like night and day difference. I have used Laptops for years and never used it in the last 5 years anywhere from my Desk or out of my house. I use my Tablet for that reason. I used some of your suggestion and my CPU is the AMD 7700 very happy with my build.

[@ItsLegacyOG]

With Ebay, if you buy with PayPal, they guarantee buyer protection and will refund you if the product doesn't arrive as it is in the listing. This can protect you against people who sell used CPUs with broken pins, for example.

[@benjamin5562]

Jay, you really should do an eBay AUCTION ONLY build! This is where patience really pays off, I've built several rigs by winning components at auction and have saved tons in the process.

[@Born_Stellar]

used to do that but I think it was giving me a heart attack!

[@Asymmetrical-Saggin]

@@Born_Stellar refresh page refresh page refresh page check bid check bid check bid lol.

[@PenguinRevolution]

As a seller on eBay that does deal in used PC parts, yes it is possible to return DOA parts if they were listed as working. All you had to do was message the seller and if they didn't want to work with you you can file a case with buyer protection. If it's listed as "for parts" buyer protection will not work. I inspect and test all my parts to the best of my ability before selling them. I don't have returns turned on but if one happened to be DOA I always refund the money no problem.

[@maynardcrow6447]

TECH YES CITY! The used price to performance KING! Bryan drives me nuts the deals he gets.

[@KevinEF]

I bought an x370 motherboard, ryzen 7 1700, and 16gb ddr4 for $150 total, the mobo and cpu from ebay all back in August. Watching your video made me realize how lucky I was that the only thing I was missing was my IO shield and nothing else went wrong... I even got a spare cooler and backplate. Also the motherboard guy sent me tons of extra screws.

[@AnalogPipeDream]

Millions of things are sold on eBay every day, this one guys experience is pointless. It made for a good youtube video, which was the only point, but you shouldn't draw any conclusions based on a handful of things one person bought specifically to make am exaggerated video for profit. If it was gonna be an honest video about the product received the thumbnail wouldn't be a clickbait picture of a hair like he's Gordon Ramsay or something.

[@kraio-sfu]

No IO shield? Deal breaker! /s

[@calebrose2031]

I honestly buy all my parts from eBay and Amazon, I find really good used deals on hardware IF you know what to look for, and some Chinese water-cooling brands that's really quality

[@eternalbeing3339]

Same. Mercari has been recently been the cheapest place for me.

[@AlpineBishop]

I rep the cheap Xeon boards and Iceman coolers on Aliexpress to my friends for cheap builds.

[@ryanjofre]

Just scored my son a perfect used MSI GTX 1070 OC for $95 including tax & shipping. He only games 1080p and his old card was an ATI 4890 so a big upgrade. Gotta love it. I’ve only bought one used video card & like 2 used cpus(In 22+ years) that where damaged from overclocking. Would NEVER touch “untested as is”. If the seller doesn’t offer a not DOA guarantee.

[@Born_Stellar]

I always figure 'not tested' means dead, because why wouldn't you just test it and ask more money?

[@harshbarj]

Should you? Depends on the part. Most parts are fine used. I buy used CPUs all the time. Mechanical Hard drives I would advise against. A SSD might be ok if you can get the seller to give you the information on the drive use. Bytes written and such. I buy used PC's / servers all the time and rarely have issues.

[@joshuapalomares9429]

Great video! Love the case and will hunt to find it at that price to finish up a second hand system

[@DogsAreGods]

I would recommend that you searched for items that already sold, then you would have known what would be an acceptable offer to make to sellers. Thus, you probably would have saved some more money; maybe a significant amount more. Hope this advice helps.

[@Exodus-sh5mq]

Yea I do that when I sell products on ebay so I know what I can get in funds

[@DogsAreGods]

@@Exodus-sh5mq Yeah exactly. It is a brilliant idea so that you can sell fast, and if you were buying, understand how low sellers will sell for.

[@jaggsta]

Yeah you can find used B550 for $75 dollars why buy old AX370

[@akmarksman]

@@jaggsta Business/tax write off.

[@Derpzila]

big up Derik! love VGG!

[@piratedragon703]

as a user part picker and budget builder, I really enjoyed this. Sorry about the Bent Pins.. that sucks. Always check the feedback and the recent feedbacks when purchasing! I 90% of the time will spend a little extra if they have a return option. Its just a peace of mind for me. I acutally have a ryzen 5 3600 that I bought 3 years ago for 200$ new, and seeing it at under 100$ hurts my feels but, is what it is. Still runs great, still a solid PC with 6 hard drives, 2 operating systems, and 3060ti which I barely game, but I got the option if I want to play some games. Only thing I wish I did but not comfortable yet is doing a Water Cooler inside, but my temps stay around 60 degrees under load with e BE Quiet Cooler, the RX 580 I originally bought was the damper, bad Display Port which didn't work, but the HDMI did which I bought used on Ebay in 2020 for that 300$ mark... but I really wanted to get into building and learning.. just the wrong time thats for sure. Great Video though. Also did you order the backplate?

[@cpg2198]

I would love more builds like this and upgrade paths from builds like this cause this build isn't too different from where my PC started last year

[@Claymoresmash]

Already seeing people drag the eBay issues, so I'll just say that the Rosewill case is a pretty decent one for that price point. I rebuilt my "workstation" PC in it (air-cooled) and it was an easy build. The RGB is really nice too.

[@rbitrossome]

I've gotten some really great deals on RAM on eBay. RAM is one of the safest computer components you can buy second hand, in my opinion, unlike motherboards with all of their capacitors, cpu pins, or traces, or AMD cpus (AM4) with exposed pins. Most consumer RAM these days comes with heatsinks installed which also protects against careless handling.

[@Born_Stellar]

I just don't usually see anything used going for less than new RAM. as long as you don't care which brand, etc.

[@supplantermusic9413]

17:32 this was so funny the censor hahahah i laughed so loud at work lol

[@nexus_tech]

Jay, can we get part 2 of this video, showing which games and at what settings can this pc handle ? I'm sure that would be welcomed by many who are insipired by your build🙂

[@Itbankrock]

that 2060 is indeed kinda high. I bought a used 6600 XT couple weeks ago for $200 (converted) Great video anyways, love this long form content

[@Itbankrock]

@@rustyclark2356 the 6600 XT was for my partner 😄 But yeah, I own a 3080 on my personal rig and I gotta say I barely use the RTX features from the games I play kekw so that's why I just decided to get her a Radeon. Gotta say I made the right purchasing decision. Btw, where can I get those DLSS to FSR mods?

[@flowerthencrranger3854]

@@Itbankrock I think there is one FSR mod in steam.

[@Djgreeny18]

Loved the video, thanks 😊

[@104Woodworks]

Electronics are always soooooo sketchy to buy used! Great video, consider me thoroughly educated! I linked your tempered "breaking glass video" in my most recent video! You have the best content man! Cheers!

[@HuskyRa1n]

I want MORE. I love watching Jay get creative. doesn't always have to be in custom designs. Just his passion is contagious.

[@alexmarks8285]

Aside from used and new, don't forget about open-box! Amazon, Newegg, and Best Buy all have open-box filters. Bought my Gigabyte B360M MOBO open box, i5-8500 used on Ebay, and 1660ti used on Facebook, all with no issues. Gigabyte is the mobo value king. Save some money and a pcie slot if you can get on-board wifi/BT as well. There's usually a plethora of Rosewill cases for $50.

[@YH-lj9gy]

The Amazon warehouse deals (open box) has been getting worse and worse through the years. I prefer a well documented eBay listing these days over the random crap that can be received from Amazon.

[@rustler08]

Amazon and Best Buy open box are great. Newegg open box is like playing Russian Roulette: you're playing a dangerous game if something is wrong. There's an entire Gamer's Nexus saga documenting the scumbag company and how they used consumers to get out of the losses of defective or damaged items.

[@JanJrgensen2605]

Hey Jay. I know exactly how you feel. Thoughts goes your way. Take your time to get healthy and the energy level up. Greetings from Denmark 🇩🇰 🇩🇰

[@righteousone8454]

"Rigorous tests" I laughed, this is DEFINITELY Steve lol!

[@misterl5337]

I usually buy used or resealed parts . U save a lot a money just buy buying returned products and they still have warranty!!! Never had a problem with used parts . I bought a Alienware laptop like 5-6 years ago r17 with 980m 8gb 32gb ram and i7 6820hk something like that on ebay for 400 $ I thought it was a scam and then when it showed up I was super happy. Check the sellers try to buy from ur area so you can meet them ! Good luck boys !

[@Born_Stellar]

most retailers don't accept transfer of warranty, and you usually also need the orig receipt for proof of date purchased.

[@andrewlaidlaw7975]

If buying stuff off ebay in the uk at least if the item/s aren't as described, damaged, parts missing or doesn't arrive your covered by ebays money back guarantee unless the item was listed in the parts/not working category. So with the couple of pins missing from the cpu you could have got your money back due to it not being as described, although that's only my interoperation of it, if its the actual case or not I'm unsure

[@AzraelAlpha]

Working vs not working should be a good case of "not as described" IMO

[@hanswichmann5047]

Best part of that build is the Rosewill case.. Although often poo-poo'ed, Rosewill "makes" some very good products especially network gear...Nice vid Jay, & of course - MORE PHIL!!!

[@Nightakula]

Love the vice grip garage mention!