Jazz Music History in America

[@Gccc7655]

Love this! Great documentary :) :)

[@Paw-Music]

Thank you! 😊

[@omalone1169]

2:00 1885 band?

[@bornhoffer]

The analysis offered by Marsalis in the section about Buddy Bolden, is pure fantasy. He is just imagining how this might have happened. In reality, we don't know much about what music sounded like in New Orleans in this early period. The first jazz records were recorded in New York in 1917, by a band that claimed that they were playing something quite different from what they had originally brought with them from New Orleans. Shortly afterwards, somebody wrote in a New Orleans newspaper, that the claim that jazz came from New Orleans was an insult, because one had never heard anything like it in the city, and because it was a bad kind of music. Louis Armstrong is the one who initially points out Buddy Bolden as the first jazz musician, but he was merely seven years old when Bolden was admitted to an asylum, and thereby exited the music scene, and it must be noted that Armstrong does not separate between ragtime and jazz. He sees them as two names for the same phenomenon: hot music. So, if you think jazz and ragtime are styles that are distinguishable from each other, it might be a good question whether you would have called Bolden a jazz musician at all, if you were able to hear his music. It is also a very good question whether jazz was actually born in New Orleans, and was a type of folk music there, the way jazz history books generally claim, or if it was created by musicians from New Orleans who had left the city - just like Salsa was not born in Cuba, but created in New York by Cuban immigrants, and then exported back to Cuba, where everybody now thinks of it as a part of the island's heritage.

[@roemellobaum-gz1vl]

Wilbur sweatman recorded the first jazz song in 1916 down home rag jelly roll Morton wrote the first jazz composition in 1915

[@Detillion81]

I stumbled upon this with the attempt to broaden my limited knowledge of Jazz history. With the knowledge that I have attained from this one video, I have come to the conclusion that Jazz is Blackface.

[@marcelaoyarce5384]

Very nice message! Óscar Peterson at the end of the video made my day.

[@Paw-Music]

He’s one of my favorites for sure! ❤️

[@mariaramos-ri8me]

Gracias muchisimo!!! Merci beaucoup!!!

[@iAmaze87]

I was trying to learn Beethoven when I could have been learning this fun music from Oscar Peterson pianist

[@omalone1169]

11:45 source please ?

[@hollingsworth_hound]

Why use the Spanish form of Louisiana (Luisiana) for the Purchase?

[@emilecoetzee9911]

would be great if you at least mentioned the book you're reading this from

[@Paw-Music]

Hey Emile, So sorry - i can’t remember the book, but i know it was something I found online for free. If i can figure it out, I’ll let you know for sure.

[@Paw-Music]

Scratch that. I think I found the pdf. I’ll try to upload a link for you later

[@TEJAYheni]

I think the vantage point of the music tells the story. It's the experience of the black musician that creates the sound. You had a people who weren't even full citizens in the 19th century dominated by a culture that said it was superior. You don't have the conditions for co-mingling or syncretism, not if you're a second class citizen. From my vantage point, you had a group of people who were bombarded by a more dominant culture. They used elements from their culture and their new experience and their native home to create a new sound. yes. Just because elements from a more dominant culture is used doesn't mean it's an influence per se. What explains the sound is like the practice of Africans masking their gods behind the imagery of Catholic saints. What bothers me about the syncretism argument is that it's used to deflect claims of cultural appropriation or to make it seem like black artist are not the innovators. Dominant cultures adopt the new sounds to suppress a movement. It's not some multi-cultural utopia where there's a fair cultural exchange. That doesn't tell the story. Black artists used what they had available. You see the same thing in hip-hop and house music. In Jazz, you can see who the innovators are just by finding who created the new sounds in the 20th century: bebop, hardbop, free jazz, all new the sounds explaining the experiences of the black musician and the black man, woman and child.

[@karlthomas7363]

exactly.

[@coryhanfield1196]

Stop it. It’s a mixture of musical styles, expressed by African Americans. This was a great history lesson. Stop choosing to turn away from the truth. It’s a sickness that is killing our country.

[@coryhanfield1196]

If it’s all black then black people in Africa would be making the same exact music & they are not. America is a place of worldly culture not just European or African culture. It’s called a melting pot for a reason. He clearly stated at the beginning of the video that African Americans were the creators of the base of the music. Then it expanded into what we have today.

[@TEJAYheni]

@@coryhanfield1196 Firstly, we have never melted. Secondly, the music comes from the vantage point of black people. You don't get a melting pot when you have a subjugated group of people. You get domination. There's no romantic idea of cultures side-by-side sharing ideas. That's just bogus. Only people with huge blindspots don't see hierarchies and people in out-groups being exploited in America. Where's your melting pot? We have different Americas here. That melting pot, we are all-one narrative is untrue. I'm sorry. This is a music that begins with the disinherited, the people on the bottom. What it is today is the reflection of what dominates in our society. Jazz used to be the music of the ghetto. Now it signifies "class".

[@augustinemanga8971]

Jazz is mostly black like classical is mostly white

[@commercialelectric696]

Equating, "'Black' music originating in the United Statss with all other forms of music even predating it, is as as likely and is a disservice to the actual chronological history.and origins of other forms of music.

[@omalone1169]

Columbus discovered america! Period

[@biancasowesscoast6465]

I know it’s hard to believe but it’s true. 😂😂😂 it’s always so funny when yall get a glimpse of the truth. Flabbergasted Hu? 😂😂😂😂

[@omalone1169]

09:20 1739

[@great-garden-watch]

Wait, can we get a refund for florida??

[@iAmaze87]

Louisiana purchase happened because Haiti 🇭🇹 beat France 1804 and nap was broke

[@omalone1169]

02:40 Buddy Bolden ? So who is Matthews Wynton ?

[@robertlee2094]

Cannot believe this piece puts Canadian jazz pianist Oscar Peterson upfront, yet fails to mention the Acadians, aka Cajuns, of the Canadian province of Nova Scotia, were a major influence on NOLA. America’s shunning of Canadian artists is tiresome and needs to stop.

[@texasdogg8498]

Lol

[@KushBoss340]

Africans created jazz blues rock hip hop reggae dancehall Calypso ECT.

[@iAmaze87]

What parts of Africa has the strongest influence I wonder

[@akakaskie]

That’s Congo🇨🇩 jazz roots.

[@meganosullivan4278]

You misspelled Louisiana

[@iAmaze87]

The blackface . As a superior person why would I try to look or act like the help or the animal I enslave all the time?

[@darz3829]

The banjo configuration was also found in China, Mesopotamia, and many other civilizations other than Africa. Drums of course can be found in Egypt and places that predate African use. Most of the other instruments used in jazz were developed or invented in Europe - sax, clarinet, violin, piano - as well as the brass trumpets (mentioned in the bible's Old Testament), trombone (which started out as a non-slide horn), cymbals (also mentioned in the bible). The song structure which we eventually called jazz plus the use of chords, as well as instrument interplay was developed in Europe, not Africa. Right now one can hear the primitive music still played in Africa - there are virtually no native recordings that sound anything like ragtime, 1920s jazz, 1930s swing or 1940s bop. Black culture did bring a soul to jazz but it hardly invented it.

[@dougs78records64]

Your joking right?

[@darz3829]

@@dougs78records64 "Your joking right?" Your reply implies that you don't believe it. Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

[@ufz1461]

Ok

[@sephmoore5885]

There’s No Such thing as Western Music! In fact The First Conservatory of Music was Brought to SPAIN BY THE MOORS (ie) CLASSICAL MUSIC… OPRAH!!!

[@octavioa1978]

I was just thinking this, the Muslim culture had a lot of influence on European culture, such as clothing, architecture, and music.

[@omalone1169]

​@@octavioa19786:10 alaska florida loiusiana and Greenland?

[@BanderaLatina]

No, that's simply not true. The Schola Cantorum is the first proper music school in history and was formalised somewhere in the fifth century. The term 'conservatory' didn't exist until the 16th century and comes from orphanages (conservatori) that were attached to hospitals.

[@mmeehhddii2340]

eclater

[@ufz1461]

J’avoue

[@ShadowCXC-ok4ff]

*united states