Do You Really Need The Lower Gearing On Ford's 7.3L Gas V8? Here's Something You Haven't Considered!

[@johnvehling6304]

You are hitting a good point of which many do not understand. Within the DOT world, it is quite possible to overload your rear axle and still fall within your GVWR rating (think trailer pin weight). Keep in mind that with the 4.30 gears, comes with a heavier Dana m275 rear axle, which also comes with a heavier spring pack. Ford went to heavier axles in the '23 models in order to handle the heavier tow/haul numbers. Power wise, the Zilla does just fine w/ 3.73 gears, but I wanted the heavier rear end as well. JB, if you possess any 'insider access' to Ford, please ask about the new axles within the '23s... No one I have asked even understand that of what I am inquiring. Thank You Sir!!

[@JB_WhoWork]

Great comment! I wish I had some engineers to reach out to because I too would want more info on what they plan to use for this truck. My 7.3L I ordered has a slightly higher GVWR compared to the 2022 so I’m wondering if what you stated has something to do with it 👍🏾

[@matthewanderson9912]

Rear axle rating’s definitely get overlooked. You can be rest assured most 3/4 ton trucks towing big fifth wheels will be either over, or really pushing the rear axle capacity. I’ve never heard that about the 4.30 getting a different rear axle than non 4.30 trucks. That would explain the increase in towing capacity more than just having a different gear. I know GM does this for 2500 and 3500 SRW diesels. The 2500s have I think 11.5” ring gears and the 3500 gets a 12”.

[@ConrailBostonLineHOLayout]

JB the F250 7.3 comes with either 3.73 or 4.30. No 3.55 option for F250 7.3

[@MSparks9509]

2020-2022 F250s with the 7.3 came with 3.55 stock or 4.30 optional. 2020-2022 F350 SRWs came with 3.73 stock or 4.30 optional. I’m not sure what the 23s come with stock. But when in doubt always get the lowest gear ratio you can with a HD gasser if you’re going to tow with it. The MPG difference is negligible, but the seat of the pants feel is definitely noticeable with lower gears. 4.30s all day!

[@98durangopack]

Ford went heavier than the Dana 275 in the Tremor?

[@METALITHrevetments]

I refer you to the TFLTruck channel. They did an Ike Gauntlet towing test with a 2020 F350 with the 7.3 Godzilla engine and 4.30 differential pulling a 16,000 pound trailer. They came within about 20 seconds of the 6.7L Powerstroke time.

[@JB_WhoWork]

I saw that video and quite honestly, it finished their testing which tells me the 7.3L will get the job done without breaking the bank 💪🏾💪🏾

[@METALITHrevetments]

@@JB_WhoWork Agreed. Thank you for all the work that you put into your excellent videos!

[@JeepCherokeeful]

Which gearing did the Powerstroke have?

[@FiliSuperDuty]

I have the 7.3L with the 4.30 rear and that thing is impressive. I pull an ~8k lb travel trailer and you don’t know it’s there on take off. It’s neat.

[@southernlandscapedesigns8081]

how does it ride without the trailer, especially highway speeds? I''m looking to pick up a Ford with the 7.3 as my daily driver but also to haul my skid steer, 2 Mini Excavators and hauling materials around Atlanta for my Hardscape business. I realize getting an F550 makes sense for hauling loads but I'm trying to fly under the radar with DOT & non CDL.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

@@southernlandscapedesigns8081if you’re looking to “haul heavy” and save money the F350 dually 7.3 gas would be my only choice…so much more capable than any SRW! It’s not that much more challenging to drive.

[@jonathanbeam6898]

@@JeepCherokeeful Thanks for the tip. I ended up having to buy whatever I could find on a lot, the last day of 2023 for a tax write off. Section 179. Anyway, I picked up a 2024, F350 SRW, 7.3 Godzilla with the 3:73 Gears, 4x4, XL with STX package. It's been a great truck so far, daily driver & I tow skid steers, and Mini X's. Most of my trips are about 20-30 miles round trip, local around town, average speed 25 mph. It's all around Atlanta neighborhoods, so it's been fine. I would say it pulls better off the line than my Chevy Duramax 2500 year, 2007.5. The 10 speed transmission really does well. If I could have ordered this truck from the factory I would have gotten the 4.30 gear ratio instead. The 3:73 does fine on flat ground and even hills, except for starting from a dead stop on a hill. In that case I have to give it a lot of gas. As for towing I am getting 10 mpg with Ford 350 on interstate & 7-8 mpg around town. My Chevy Diesel got 10 mpg on interstate as well, so not much difference. I never really checked it around town. I almost bought a Ford F250 Tremor to stay under the 10,000 GVWR & avoid DOT stickers....since the Tremor 250 has the same suspension as the 350. But the ride height is a little tall for unloading tools and materials. Plus the off road tires had a lot more noise, and my truck is my mobile office. I have to make a lot of calls to clients & I need a quiet cab.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

@@jonathanbeam6898 yes, I would avoid buying a 3/4, 2 ton off the lot, but you gotta do what u gotta do sometimes

[@elderrob]

​@@jonathanbeam6898I live in the Atlanta area as well. I own a 40' GN enclosed trailer. Pulling it now with a 2015 6.4 Hemi Big Horn. A 12k watts generator is up in the riser making my pin weight about 3.3k with my other equipment loaded. Overall I'm about 11k, with a 14k gross on the trailer .Need to have a tow vehicle no more than 12k gross to stay away from a CDL. A lot of numbers I know. LOL. Considering a 7.3 gaser for payload close to 4k and enough power to move my rig. Would the long bed be recommended? I will be towing on the south east coast most days of every week. Is the 7.3 up for that? Thanks for your help.

[@fordmud]

Low rear end gear also helps with engine braking. The guys that tow in the mountains know, alot of roads your going less than highway speeds, and more gears and lower rear end gearing helps a lot with 45mph and less engine braking on steep hills. 3.55 and 3.73 are great for highway speed engine braking.

[@jasoncox2132]

Something else to touch on is tire size. Lot of folks seem to want to upgrade to a larger tire, even without a lift, these trucks can handle a larger tire. So if you have 3.73’s and put a 35” tire on, then you have more like 3.55’s. Something to think about! 👍🏼

[@JB_WhoWork]

Great point and I think that is probably the biggest reason to go lower gears👍🏾👍🏾

[@alanj7306]

These new trucks have so many gears that it doesn’t even matter anymore. It’s not like the old school 4 speed automatics. Hell, I had older trucks hit 90 in 3rd, and now the new ones are shifting into 5th at 90. Bullish!t, when you have 10 speeds, the gearing doesn’t matter!! Woogy Boogy snigger!

[@jasoncox2132]

@@alanj7306 I agree with that as well. With 10 gears you should stay in the power band no matter what. Some even have 3.31’s and pull just fine. 👍🏼

[@oldnumber6]

@@jasoncox2132 I have an 6.7 F350 with 3.31 gears and the things pulls 15k with ease. I was honestly shocked.

[@johnvehling6304]

This is a great point, as many may not pay attention to the tire weight ratings when changing to a different size or tread.

[@christopheralvarado9257]

Always learn something new from watching your videos. Thx

[@dudestuff1557]

This is crazy true. I had an ‘04 2500hd with a 6.0 and 4.10’s. Great truck. I couldn’t believe the difference in power from 4500’ elev where I live to sea level where we were vacationing one year. I was amazed.

[@davecamilleri9411]

I will give you a simple way to find rear axle gear ratio so that you don't get messed up. Jack up only one rear tire off the ground. Make a mark on the pinion slinger and another on the axle housing so that you can count revolutions of the drive shaft. Make a reference mark on the tire so that you can count revolutions of the tire. The mark could be at 6:00 and another on the concrete floor. Place transmission in nuetral. Slowly turn the tire TWO full revolutions while counting the number of times the driveshaft turns. You have to make TWO revolutions because you are going through the spider gears in the differential. The number of turns is easy to tell on the drive shaft because there are only a few ratios, 3.31, 3.55, 3.73 or 4.30 on these Ford trucks. Still easy to find if you have 4.10 on another brand. I have been using this method for 35+ years and I rebuild a lot of axles. One other thing I would like to see with your 7.3 mileage testing, I would like to see how much a larger set of offroad capable tires hurts the mileage on the 7.3. On my 2017 Duramax I can get over 20 mpg when running my Michelin highway tires and I drop to 17 mpg with my Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T's. I did a little snooping on a 7.3 Tremor site and a lot of the mileage claims were in the 11-13 range most likely due to the more agressive tread design.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks for sharing this, I may add some tires to my build but depends on funds lol!

[@supporterofsanity]

Man I feel like you knocked this one out of the park! Definitely information packed!🇺🇸💪

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks bro, I’m trying to learn more about gearing and such because it’s definitely interesting to say the least 💪🏾🇺🇸

[@CZ-kz7ug]

Its better to put the stress on the ring, and pinion than the transmissions planetary, and clutch pack. I say 4.30 every day for towing.

[@JB_WhoWork]

I never thought about that, great point 👍🏾👍🏾

[@timdavison2417]

I have a 2020 f250 7.3 3.55 rearend and a crew cab. I had little over 16,000 on trailer and grossed over 34K and i was definitely surprised how well it handled it. I also have a 21 regular cab 7.3 with 4.30 rear end and a 1 ton. Yes it handles a load better, But I was very impressed with the 3.55 rear end.

[@JB_WhoWork]

That’s awesome, thanks for sharing 👍🏾

[@kevinvanlohuizen2709]

Speed up a grade will also make a difference. If you do not tow often but on those occasions when you tow heavy up grades and are ok say at 55 mph vs 70 mph, you will be using the lower transmission gears and can compensate for say a 3 55 vs a 4.10.

[@wildwest6771]

WOW JB….this was some great information. Very insightful. Loved this. Thank you

[@JB_WhoWork]

No problem, thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@lexuslowlife3055]

The only reason I can see me getting a 4.30 is to put 35” inch tires so it would be like it has a 3.73 or 3.89 whatever the math is or putting 37” inch tires would be like have a 3.55 rear end. I don’t know the formula in my head but that’s why I would like the 4.30

[@jonathanbeam6898]

4.30 gears would be great for towing, and yes even with the 35" tires the gear is lower than say, my F350 with 3:73 gears with 32" tires. 4.30 far superior for towing heavy or on hills from a dead stop.

[@ALMX5DP]

Still watching but of course the transmission and it’s spread of ratios have to be taken into consideration. Ford and GM 10 speeds have super aggressive and closely spaced gearsets, which can make up a lot for what the rear end aggressiveness has traditionally been needed for.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Keep watching, I mention this as well

[@ALMX5DP]

@HalfShell I think just depends on what your use is. Same justification can be made to go with a less aggressive rear being with the 10 speeds you have a lot of under driven gear ratios if you need the torque multiplication. I’d personally pick the ratio that allows me to utilize as much of the rpm range as possible, even on the low end as needed for unladen or light duty pulling. I just saw a comment here about someone cursing at 2k rpm at 75, to me that’s a waste if you’re unloaded or can make due with fewer rpm. I only have a 6 speed but cruise at 16-1700rpm and even towing light has no issues if light acceleration is needed. I do have a Livernois tune which also helps transmission calibration and shifting, but of course if I was pulling heavy lots of the time and I could use a more aggressive ratio more doing so, would obviously go to a 4.30 or similar direction as needed.

[@bigvee3185]

JB I see you doing your thing bruh. I admire that . Got the ford an gmc in the garage on the daily. Nice rotation . 👌 love it

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks, I’m enjoying being back in a house for sure 👍🏾👍🏾

[@bigvee3185]

@JB Reviews that's what's my man. God AND FAMILY is AMAZING 👏

[@TheRamGuy]

I would say gearing choice is important for someone wanting to get taller tires like 35's especially in gas trucks

[@dereknew5298]

JB, the reason for the horsepower loss at higher altitudes is that the air is thinner. Diesel engines do not have nearly as much loss for one simple reason. Modern Diesel engines make their own atmosphere via a turbo charger. So a very “simple” way to reduce that power loss in a gasser is to add a turbo charger.

[@matthewanderson9912]

Nice video. So I want to state my opinion first. I think there’s a place for the 4.x rear gears even with the 6, 8 and 10 speed transmissions. Here they are: 1) True working trucks or just trucks loaded to max or near max GVWR all the time. 2) extreme off roading and/or extreme grades. I’m talking off road type stuff (20%) be it job sites or otherwise, not 6, 7, 8, or even 10% Highway grades. 3) if you just need the extra rated towing capacity, which to be just honest at that point a gas engine may not be what you should be getting. For everyone else, they are unnecessary and very well could be a hindrance. By everyone else I mean weekend warrior types. These modern transmissions make all the difference, and yes even the 6 speeds. It’s more debatable for them then it is the 8 and 10 speed but I still would say not necessary even with the 6. If you think the 6 speeds are bad, then go tow with a 4 speed auto and come back and tell me what you think lol. Ultimately I wish GM would offer options because clearly a lot of people want those short rear gears. I think it’s mostly because they don’t understand about the transmissions but even still I’m all for more choices, not less. So good video. I also want to point out that I’m pretty sure Ford restricts the towing capacity by a certain percentage for every 1000’ of elevation. I know they do in the 1/2 tons. So even with the 4.30 you still would be losing towing capacity at elevation, though you would have more to lose.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Great post, as I’ve mentioned in the past, the lower gears probably don’t change MPG’s too much when compared to standard but as you have said, “you spin higher RPM’s if you’re not constantly hooked up to a trailer?” The 6+ gears do shorten the steps compared to 4/5 speeds but when I post the next video, I think you will see just how busy the 10 speed is with the 3.73. Now the 4.30 may be the same but I’m willing to bet it may help keep you in a higher rpm to reduce hunting gears… Correct me if I’m wrong.

[@matthewanderson9912]

@@JB_WhoWork I think that’s just the nature of Ford’s programming for the 10 speed. What you just said is by far and away the number one complaint with their 10 speed. So I don’t know if it will really change anything or not. You will definitely be at a higher rpm at the same speed though.

[@southernlandscapedesigns8081]

To your point: #1 True working trucks or just trucks loaded to max or near max GVWR all the time. (I do this often, about 10% over the GCWR, set by Chevy. I'm always under the GVWR of truck / trailer combo. I have a 2007 Chevy Duramax 2500 for reference. Chevy manual says 22,000 pounds is the GCWR. Pulling a skid steer I'm always at 23,500 pounds which is over the 22,000 pound Chevy suggested limit. Sometimes with materials on dump trailer I'm at 24 or 25,000 pounds, & I can feel the truck straining to stop, even with brand new brakes on the trailers. The diesel engine pulls great, with 3.73 I beleive, it's the stopping power that isn't fun. I'm looking to buy a new gruck before year end to pull 11,000 pound Takeuchi TL140 on 5,000 pound gooseneck deckover trailer. Trying to stay under DOT radar and non CDL. Any suggestions? Ford 350 with a single rear axle? 7.3 Godzilla with 3.73 or 4.30? I realize a F350 dually makes more sense, it's just a tough daily driver with parking garages, downtown parking, etc.

[@matthewanderson9912]

@@southernlandscapedesigns8081 well GM HDs got a huge performance boost with the 2011 model year as far as the chassis goes. Your 2007 was basically a warmed over GMT-800 chassis which dated back to the 1999 model year. So I can see you having some performance concerns towing as heavy as you are. Anyways, as for CDL laws I’m not sure if you know them, but a Class A license is required for commercial use IF your GCWR exceeds 26,000 pounds (so 26,001 and up) AND your trailer has a GVWR exceeding 10,000 pounds. So you have to be careful there with your new trailer if you go with a dually or even a SRW 3500. What would I recommend? If you’re working them every day any of the new diesels will kill it. They all have exhaust brakes that work good. Rams is the best BUT if the Ram guys will be honest a new 2500 Ram just doesn’t handle heavy trailers as good as the competition. Ford or GM gas trucks are rated to tow more than your current diesel (my 2022 2500 gas Chevy has a GCWR of 24,000 pounds, the 2024s are 26,000) and they are physically much bigger, heavier trucks than your 2007. I don’t think you would have stopping trouble but with the diesels you definitely won’t due to the exhaust brakes. And then that 4.30 rear with the 7.3, at highway speeds you’re still going to be rpm and mph limited to how low a gear you can get into. At those speeds the 3.73 would perform just as good because it will be able to downshift one extra gear and it ends up having a slightly shorter final drive than the 4.30 does when it’s one gear higher. Again, that’s highway speeds now. 25, 30 mph and down the 4.30 will do better.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

I think the 4:30 is it if you live in or will be towing over hilly/mountainous terrain. If you will be staying in the flat lands, you probably don't need it, as this is a pretty big engine.

[@philliphols]

Running a ford 6.2 with 3.73s now. Next rig will be a 7.3 with 4.30’s. I tow a lot of mountains, rarely high speeds. Almost always pointing up or down a hill

[@BobbysHauntedWorld]

I’ve got the black package with 20inch rims and the 4.30s don’t seem that aggressive at all. I’m only turning 2k at 75.

[@RyanSpencerPlus]

We'd need a 250 owner to chime in, but they're probably only at 1,600rpm at 75mph in 10th gear. They probably can't tow very big, but they'll get better gas mileage when not towing.

[@timtroia3785]

@@RyanSpencerPlus correct i have 21 250 bap 20in rims i turn only 1500 rpm's at 75 mph. and get around 16.5 mpg.

[@Gunbucket1964]

My 2023 Crew Cab F250 XL has the Zilla motor with 4.30 gears in the new Sterling 11.6 rear axle. My payload capacity is 3819 lbs. Tow capacity is 18,600. I would never tow that much, but it's nice to have that ability.

[@TheBearsLair]

4:10 Ratio gives you all the pulling power and still preserves a modicum of fuel economy.

[@Crumb_Trails]

I'm looking at a Tremor and if you get the gas motor you have no choice but to get the 4.30 gears. The diesel you have to get the 3.55. You also get the 35" tires which have a little too do with that.

[@Lilfarmrboy]

Honestly I tell folks the 3.73 is all you will need anywhere east of the Mississippi even if you’re pulling 15k. If you tow in the Appalachian Mountain’s you’ll be fine however if you tow in the Rockies or you put bigger tires on then obviously you may want the 4.30 gears.

[@98durangopack]

Yea right. Dude come to WV and pull 15k in Greenbrier or Monroe county with 3.73 and 35s. Taking off on these 10%+ hills are no joke.

[@Lilfarmrboy]

@@98durangopack if you’re putting on larger tires then you’ll need the 4.30 no doubt. PS try doing the same area in an 18 wheeler. Been there done that.

[@98durangopack]

@@Lilfarmrboy log truck driver here bud.

[@rockie307]

Rockies are 2 to 3 times as high as WV hills. Almost half the oxygen which kills power.

[@herb7877]

I ordered my '21 F350 7.3l with 3.73 rear gears. I tow a 8400# tt thru the hills & mtns of the PNW without any issues at all. I originally wanted a F250 but the only rear options were the 3.55 or 4.30. I've had the 3.55 before and they just weren't low enough. close but I wanted the 3.73. The 4.30 I felt were just too low. I figured I could always drop a gear (i had 10 to choose from) if needed with the 3.73's. If I was closer to the 12k -14k # range then I'd look at the 4.30's though with our terrain. Back in the early 60's. my dad being a trucker, put a 2 spd rea axle in his F250 though...

[@gwendolynbrown9386]

Great! Love this Video👍

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks!!

[@Synwright]

This was an excellent, excellent, excellent 👏 video.

[@organichemone]

So in a F250 when you order a diesel over a gas motor, the tow rating goes up significantly. But does Ford change anything to the chassis for this to work, or just the motor? In theory if they changed nothing else it would still be limited by the payload capacity of the truck. I have a 2015 Silverado 2500HD, with the 6.0, and 4:10 gearing. This has a higher tow rating than a new F250 with the 7.3L with the 3:55 gears, only by a couple hundred pounds.

[@JohnDewh]

I custom ordered my 2022 F350 with the 4.30 rear so I could carry more weight

[@nia6849]

What is the max towing capacity?

[@timtroia3785]

do you mean tow more or carry more. rear-end gears do nothing for caring more payload.

[@Kingcold2002]

By the way for 23 model f250 and the f350 srw the 4.30 axle will be on the tremor.

[@darnelltobar9726]

What 7.3 gearing is the best for non-towing, everyday driving??

[@garysarratt1]

Seems with a 10 speed 3.50 and below should be fine for good fuel mileage and power.

[@darnelltobar9726]

@@garysarratt1 thanks!

[@darnelltobar9726]

@HalfShell appreciate it!

[@kennygray9013]

Mine 22 f350 gets 13 avg penciled out and it has the 4:30.

[@ALMX5DP]

@HalfShell is lugging the engine bad? I’d think the ECU would elicit a downshift if it got to a point the engine was outside of its efficient operating range or desired output right?

[@jfjaksgf]

What about sea level towing an 9,000 lb travel trailer in a F-250 with the 7.3 gas? 3:55 or 4:30? Thanks JB. Keep up the great content!

[@ALMX5DP]

Probably depends on how often you tow. If you tow that exclusively, the 4.30 likely will benefit you giving your truck the best opportunity to find the right gear and rpm for whatever speed you’re traveling. The 3.55 will benefit you if you do unloaded driving a bit and use 9th and 10th often on the highway to maximize economy.

[@jfjaksgf]

Thanks guys, I already have the F-250 and was interested in your take on my situation. I went with the 3.55 in my application, towing a 30 ft. Airstream Classic. The trailer weighs 8,000 pounds empty, not sure what our actual weights are as I still need to visit a CAT scale. So far the 3.55 seems perfect for our use around the Midwest with occasional trips through the mountains of WV. The F-250 is a 2022, purchased new last March and it now has 20k 6:38 miles on it. Could not be happier with the truck. The 7.3 is a beast. We probably tow 40% of the time and when we’re not towing I can easily achieve 18 mph on the highway. On our last 4,000 trip from WI to ME we averaged 10.4 mpg overall and I’m cool with that. So happy I didn’t go with the diesel. Life is good 😀

[@RyanSpencerPlus]

I'm towing 15k with a 4.30. I would go 3.55 for occasional towing at that weight.

[@bryanthornton6787]

I pull around 8000lbs with the 3.55's and I do wish at times that I would've went with 3.73's.

[@jfjaksgf]

@@bryanthornton6787 thanks Bryan. I think my only final drive ratio options for the 2022 F-250 with the 7.3 gas were 3.55 or 4.30. I thought the 4.30 would be a bit too low, given that most of my driving is without towing and I want to maximize fuel economy when driving without the load.

[@topcrust7326]

If you live in Pennsylvania, get the numerical highest available

[@MrCBify]

If I plan on putting 37’s on the truck, the 4.30 is the better option over 3.73?

[@ragingbullwinkle4188]

Ordered 2023 F250 Supper Cap 7.3 eight ' box with 4.30 gear. Looking at an 11K pound 5th wheel. If you are towing the ten-speed makes the 4.30 a no-brainer.

[@elderrob]

Did you get the 11k trailer and how's the 4:30 doing with it? I own an 11k GN, 40'. Considering a 7.3, F-350.

[@khonesavanhchandara7044]

Can you tell me. I have 10k trailer. I tow about 10k mile per year. Which gears should I use please

[@JB_WhoWork]

I agree, 3.73’s will be fine

[@khonesavanhchandara7044]

Thank you

[@noosh8316]

For 2023 it appears that 7.3L Gas V8 equipped F-250 will now come standard with 3.73 gears, like in the 350.

[@RipRoar-ns4go]

What about a couple Duke boys that will only need to tow ~11,000# once or twice per year on a very flat terrain, much closer to sea level? pulling from conventional bumper trailer insert (not fifth wheel or gooseneck). Distance would only be ~ 100 miles roundtrip... Country roads (think Hazard county). F-250 or F-350? For that matter, GMC 1500 with Duramax 3L? Great videos!!

[@addison401]

Where is that image on your video with the 2023 f 250 from?

[@jasonlovell3934]

That’s a great garage. Now you just need a vehicle lift and more tools.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Yup, love having a larger garage 👍🏾

[@bryanthornton6787]

That 3%-4% power reduction per 1000' of elevation is referring to naturally aspirated engines, correct?

[@ALMX5DP]

Yup, turbocharged motors still may suffer a little, but only a fraction of what an NA engine would experience if it's tuned right and it can keep itself cool.

[@bryanthornton6787]

@@ALMX5DP That's what I was thinking but the way it was presented here made it sound like only gas engines are the ones losing power at altitude. A tad misleading to me.

[@SmoreRV]

​@@bryanthornton6787 Air is thinner at elevation, and less oxygen means less power. With a turbo, you can get back sufficient oxygen. Saying elevation affects gas is leaving out some info, but all the HD diesels have turbos and none of the HD gas engines have turbos.

[@bryanthornton6787]

@@SmoreRV That's right. Maybe the creator of the video should make it clear that it not necessarily a diesel vs gas but forced induction vs naturally aspirated.

[@SmoreRV]

@@bryanthornton6787 Yeah, I'm the one in the clip he showed. It's a tough balance of giving enough information while not getting too in the weeds, which bores people. For 99% of the gas and diesel trucks out there, it's a true statement. And if I do tell people, most of them aren't going to go out and add a turbo or supercharger, so it's not terribly useful info. But maybe you're right, if everyone knew that, maybe they would start asking for turbos and truck manufacturers would start building them that way.

[@jeffpiatek2461]

I had a 22 f350 with the 7.3 and the 4.30 gear. Shifted way to much. Definitely to low of a gear. I had 35 inch tremor wheels and tires. I'd do 3.73 if I did it again. The 7.3 can handle it.

[@garysarratt1]

You can make a turbocharger with a hair dryer and some duck tape!😌

[@JB_WhoWork]

😂

[@garysarratt1]

@@JB_WhoWork Okay, a leaf blower; it’s been a long time since I saw this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/omjZZnhtmMyFfbc

[@alanj7306]

That’s why I went with my ‘22 Silverado LT 2500 Duramax. It had the best payload (3,350) versus 2k for the Ram. Yes the Ram can technically tow more, but it has far less payload. Considering the gooseneck weight (empty) is 2k pounds on my trailer, the Ram could not do it. The Silverado was/is the best one around. For $61k, I think it’s the best option. Heated seats and steering wheel, power driver seat, bed liner, remote start, and max tow package. What more can you want??

[@rdbjr52]

Although i currently drive a Ford. I had a couple of Duramax diesel’s with the Allison trans. Nothing wrong with that setup. GM did well here.

[@alanj7306]

I was really looking at the Ford too, as I’ve owned 5 of them, from Mustang to Rangers. But every dealer wanted at least $10k more for a similar F250. That broke the deal for me.

[@sly9263]

Damn dude, how much can you bench?

[@JB_WhoWork]

Lol! I wish 💪🏾👍🏾

[@armytruth6860]

I have the 7.3 4:30

[@dwight072]

You can supercharge a gas motor.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Very true but not everyone has the money you do to supercharge a 7 liter Vette 😂!

[@dwight072]

@@JB_WhoWork lol

[@porkchop7268]

Yeah I was definitely thinking the same thing. Me and my wife are looking at getting a 5th wheel and an F-350 combo, just not sure if I wanna go 7.3 zilla or power stroke. You can always turbo or supercharge the 7.3 zilla to get more power/torque to compensate….. The heaviest 5th wheel we looked was right 17,000lbs . Any advice on the matter regarding gas or diesel and which gears to go with is very much welcomed.

[@Sylvan_dB]

@@porkchop7268 If you are towing the 5th wheel a lot, seriously consider the diesel. Just a few trips a year probably doesn't justify the diesel in my opinion. However, with diesel you can fill up at the truck pumps with lots of space to swing that 5th wheel around. There is no gas at those pumps.

[@porkchop7268]

@@Sylvan_dB yeah we’re probably only gonna take 4-6 trips a year, most of its life would be hauling my butt to and from work and driving around on my days off and towing around a Harley trailer with a few on it but that’s it.

[@kylekirchner1163]

4.30 is the way to go!

[@heavenswarrior26]

I'm at 3,100 ft. Tow 10,500 with roughly 1k in payload with a set of 3.55 gears does not bad at all even through the hills, but get a piss poor range of 8.2 miles to the gallon. This does not weed normal to other videos I've seen on you tube.😢

[@albertc7375]

Off topic who did the drywall on this gargage

[@JB_WhoWork]

DR Horton, it’s a rental property 👍🏾

[@albertc7375]

I would never hang drywall in that manner

[@charlesthomas8590]

I am getting a 2023 F-250 XLT with the 7.3 engine and 3.73 electronic locking axle . I am looking at towing a 7x14 dump trailer w/ hydraulic lift. Is that enough

[@tumbleweedking5668]

Sounds like it doesn't matter at this point if you have already either purchased it or ordered it.

[@JB_WhoWork]

If you aren’t going up steep grades, it may not matter and I’m assuming GVWR of that trailer is around 14k so you should be more than fine because you still have the short gear spread from the 10 speed

[@charlesthomas8590]

@@JB_WhoWork Yes, 14,000 on the trailer. I am excited about getting out there again. Had to take a brake in the business due to my wife who has MS and the cost of in home care is soooo expensive and health insurance doesn't Cover. Ouch, but hey, as they say, It's not over till the fat lady sings - I guess; lol. Love your videos and full of thoughtful Insights. Keep up the work Your doing. \

[@patrickdunster1083]

Very good Sophisticated High Intensity Training (S.H.I.T.)

[@JB_WhoWork]

🤘🏾🤘🏾

[@leejennings3397]

Put a supercharger on the 7.3 gas. Give plenty of power at altitude, and cost less then the $10,000. plus diesel.

[@samgford]

JB "Barebones Lariat" reviews. I guarantee just by virtue of it being a Lariat cuts 100-200 lbs off payload from a real barebones truck.

[@tumbleweedking5668]

True but the payload gains from diesel down to gas more than make up for 100 to 200 lbs.

[@samgford]

@@tumbleweedking5668 not necessarily as bad as you think... They give different GVWR's to offset it and In fact on GM vehicles they completely offset it. My silverado 2500 with a duramax has a GVWR of 11350 and the identical 2500 with gas has a GVWR of 10450. That's about the weight of the diesel option plus some if my guesstimates are right.... Is it not? My payload is 3400 lbs on my 2500. My previous F250 with the 7.3 was 3200...

[@matthewanderson9912]

@@samgford partly true. But most gas trucks have a 10,650 GVWR. Like their diesel counterparts the tires and wheels determine the GVWR (and wheelbase). 18s and 20s typically get the higher number and 17s typically get the lower number. My 2022 2500 gas Silverado has 10,650 GVWR with a little over 3500 pounds of payload. A similar equipped diesel would be more like 3200-3300 range. So very close. A lot closer than the derated 10,000 GVWR trucks. I had a diesel one of those and it had just over 1,800 pounds of payload.

[@samgford]

@@matthewanderson9912 what trim are you? I'm a well equipped diesel LT and my Payload per sticker is 3420. That's pretty close to you at 3500.

[@matthewanderson9912]

@@samgford LT. Z71 off road and protection package, Convenience 1 and 2 packages, HD front springs, cab lights and 20” wheels. My sticker says 3527 for payload. So yes they are close for sure. Closer than I would have guessed. A friend of mine has a 2500 Custom diesel and strangely his payload is in the 3300 range. So I was using his as an example. Now it’s about loaded for a Custom but I figured it would have been slightly more vs a diesel LT.

[@shutupstoopid4518]

You can super charge that 7.3 and still be cheaper than the diesel engine

[@krisbeaver2901]

Ok.. you boo-boo'd.. or I heard you wrong.. I'm still on my first ☕ this morning.. With the 3:73 gears in the Ford, your MAX fifth wheel/goose rating is 16.2k With the 4:30 years, your max goose/fiver is 20.2k Also, you just showed 2 reasons for ordering a truck DIFFERENT than your showing. Why? With the 7.3L XLT 4x4 ( no tremors or fx package), the LONG bed (8') has between 400-700# MORE Payload than the same truck with the 6'9" bed. Mine has 4417# payload on the 18" wheels, compared to the one you've rented. I can easily hit the 20k trailer without going over payload, but I never will. I bought more truck than I need without going to a diesel. Pretty sure you've never seen or heard someone say "dang truck has too much capabilities, I'd better downgrade!" LoL If you want to see how to get that "unicorn" 7.3L with that 20k fiver rating, DM me and I'll send you the build sheet. It was NOT easy to figure out, and it was NOT easy to get Ford to build in 22 with all the parts shortages.

[@alanj7306]

You actually lose 3% of horsepower for every 1,000 feet increase in elevation. So if you’re 5,000 feet above sea level, it’s 3x5, meaning you just lost 15% of your power. That 400HP motor is now making 340. That’s where turbo engines make up for the loss, since they’re forced induction, and where electric vehicles do the best, since it’s all electric and the less air density means less drag. It’s called physics... take a couple classes...

[@richvangorder3900]

Ill be Straight and to the point. Theres never been a gas truck i liked that didnt come with 3.73 MINIMUM. Absolute minimum. The higher the better. Ford and Toyota get it. GM does not and never has since the 80s. 3.42 and 3.20s are not a goddam acceptable ratio for a pickup

[@triedproven9908]

4.30 if you tow a lot. 3.73 if you don't. 4.10 if you're not sure yet. 🤣👍

[@JB_WhoWork]

😂😂😂

[@timtroia3785]

there is no 4.10 on the 7.3 gas. and they got rid of 3.55. for gas

[@slaytanic921]

I don’t need the 4.30, I want it 🇺🇸🫡

[@TimothyMichaels]

JD over at BigTruckBigRv explains things so it's easy to understand. Thank you