TL Hidden Stats and Formulas | MUST KNOW BEFORE YOU GEAR in Throne & Liberty | Stats Guide

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Ignore the formula for CDS, Debuff Duration and Buff Duration. It's updated in game and you can see the exact number to the decimal now after Diminish Returns.

[@mudcult]

Dang dude that is some really helpful info. I'm glad people like you and your friends still exist. This is the kind of old school math that makes the gameplay so much more fun

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you

[@whaitwhut]

hey useful simple guide really well made thanks :) hope you do more of these for various aspects of the game your voice is great for it

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thanks a bunch!!

[@RAWsassin]

very very very useful, we knew the description of stats wasnt completely correct when the game first launched on KR (now they edited it so its a bit less confusing), but you guys did an amazing work figuring out all the formulas etc. Thank you!

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you!

[@Fishingsloth]

big fan - thanks Jeri, subbed. 👍

[@shino3463]

Nice voice, short and clean explanation! Sub and I'm looking forward to seeing the next video

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thanks Shino! Feel free to share with your guildies :D

[@mas0ny149]

The only video with the formulas THANK YOU

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

No worries

[@SenseiMourad]

This is the most beginner wanted video for building your character. Well done mate :)

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you!

[@Yamashiro-pai]

bro i was on the edge of my seat for that cliffside duel at the end 😭

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hahahaha!

[@Klannahar]

I wanted this info half year ago, but TY so much, it will help a lot for global release.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

No worries! Please feel free to share. It's so hard to watch people poorly geared dying so fast and confused why they got blown up.

[@Klannahar]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP already did on 3 discord, not many ppl but still something :D I was seeking for this info badly but did not found any back then to understand how do i build my tank and bigger question WHY do i have to build like that after evasion changes on KR.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@Klannahar Thank you! And glad it was helpful.

[@Anotger]

Does having higher debuff chance than their resistance increase the landing chance? For example: Does having 1k weaken chance increase the 5% base chance of queen's staff vs a target that only has 500 weaken resist?

[@sebindabin]

Great info but I'm still in the dark a little when it comes to Resistance / Chance. What is X in that formula? Also, if my skill has an 80% chance to hit, can I raise that chance closer to 100% assuming my chance > enemy resistance or does it have no value after protecting against resistance?

[@therealpinkstarr1263]

Thx for the vid! Very helpful info!

[@mannyali6412]

The only helpful person for this game

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Haha there are defos some others. I'm just one of the few who posts :D ! Thank you!

[@Czulki]

Great explanations. One thing I am wondering about - isn't endurance basically the superior defensive mechanic for every weapon type outside of SNS and dagger? Seems like its just more consistent at reducing damage and avoiding "one shots". Also what is your take on evasion vs endurance stacking for the open beta? My guild suggested for everyone to go evasion but it seems like a bad idea if people know that prioritizing hit is important to counter that. Are there enough evasion sources early in the game to "outscale" enemy hit?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hi, yes to your first question. Also, yes green melee and ranged gear can easily get over 1k+ Hit. The builds EPH are sharing with ranged and melee players achieve this easily with blue weps.

[@Czulki]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP Thanks

[@danielcheng769]

Wow literally wastes no time and cuts to the point, and super solid info found no where else.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you!

[@Bboss83]

very helpful video mate ty

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you!

[@EAcademy]

Hey Eli, So the looks of this video appears that the advice that you've given coincides with the T/L build BEFORE the new update that Korea got which includes the new "skill expressions". Have you been able to test the number with relation to the new update? Does it matter at all? I'm just curious cause I imagine there are new passives for each weapon that could add/take away from the formulas. Thanks for your time!!

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I haven't tested the new stats. The information in this video is still relevant luckily. Just new evasion and endurance skill debuffs that should be considered in your gear planning, but formulas and stat conditions are still the same.

[@jimsawyer6955]

The fact that Evasion/Hit are the most important stats in the game in PVP is quite stupid. They could just get rid of both of those entirely other than a select few limited/cd evasion skills, and everyone could focus on customizing their characters so much more. Could probably do without Heavy attacks as well and it only seems available on a few weapons or mastery/tier bonus skills. Edit*(you actually addressed Heavy attack yourself later in video. Completely agree)

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I 100% agree with you!

[@NastyKugogo]

Being honest it should be revamped to crit damage increase so it will have specific sinergies to crit damage bonuses, instead of building it because 2x multiplier. I mean, that change will make endurance a real important stat for every class, so you can choose between evading or tanking damage(evasion needs nerf/capping)

[@dylanvh9465]

Eli bro I need a quick last minute wand/staff leveling guide on what stats to choose and what skills to pick. Any chance you have one of those lieing around?

[@517Vi]

I'd also benefit from a guide on this

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

OBT build only. questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/BeastWithTheCuneiformRake Skill Builds: Leveling/Fresh 50 - questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/skill-builder/sNZgM53ilGyL?build-id=30 Wand/Staff Lvl 50 PvP ZvZ - DPS Focus - questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/skill-builder/sNZgM53ilGyL?build-id=466 Wand/Staff Lvl 50 PvP ZvZ Support Focus - questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/skill-builder/sNZgM53ilGyL?build-id=467 Solo PvE - questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/skill-builder/sNZgM53ilGyL?build-id=468 Dungeon - questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/skill-builder/sNZgM53ilGyL?build-id=469

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@517Vi posted

[@ardhunter]

I think thats all build for old skill In new skill all change event totaly change if special skill come out I main suport wand / staff at last updt kr everyting at wand skill is chagnge but thats fun In pvp i can kil 11 asist 24 at ain suport 🤣🤣🤣

[@ardhunter]

​@@EliEli.MMOPVPw Btw skill wand can bost 200 skill dmg bosst Staf can make eva + hit 440 buf at skill lvl 1 😂

[@schwamfa2999]

How much hit and evasion do monsters have? Is there a way to see monsterstats?

[@Naansson]

How much mana reg do you need for wand/bow support? should i get it on every gear i can or whats the number i should be looking for?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I like 350-400.

[@sayer187]

Doe's Skill damage Resistance work on Mob's/Bosses or only Against Players??? this is the real question

[@leoGa-79]

Thnak you for the video!

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@leoGa-79 No worries!

[@mystictheninja1486]

@Eli I have a question. How can i know the stats of mobs? Knowing that I get crit chance for every 10 points higher than endurance is one thing, but how much endurance to level 50 mobs have? Are bosses different? If I'm trying to get huge amounts of crit and crit dam, how can I know if I've gone too far if there doesn't seem to be anywhere that mentions mob stats? I couldn't find it online anywhere.

[@maximbogomaz8908]

What is the order of these applications (DR, Skill Damage Reduction/Defense) In other words, if I want to get a formula to get damage received from raw damage (max/min damage * % Spell Base Damage + Flat Spell Damage), what would it be?

[@jamelechorfi]

About Hit Chance rating, do you know if PvE Bosses has Evasion and if we have to be Hit Capped ? Or is that mostly useful for PvP ? Thanks and great informative video !

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Bosses have a certain amount of Eva. 300+ is good for Co-Op Dungeon bosses.

[@teozard]

Great video!

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you!! Feel free to share with your guildies.

[@teozard]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP It was shared with me from the guild haha, we've been talking about it so I went to check it out

[@ChristianZimmermann-c8c]

I have a question, if I have 300 stun resistance and the opponent has 500 stun chance, do I have any effect such as a shortening of the hour duration or is it like with Evasion that I necessarily have more resistance than the opponent must have for me to have any effect?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

you'll have an effect but it's miniscule. Bigger affects start when you have 100 over their chance.

[@theScary92]

do I need to crit in order to heavy mele attack? or if I have both I can have random x2 from any of those or its just x4 or nothing?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Nope. You can heavy attack without it being a critical hit.

[@eragon2k463]

As a pvp healer what should I take Endurance or Evasion?

[@Shishintah]

Endu

[@chrisbaddabum]

hi, mit der formel für cd abklingzeit haut das nicht hin oder ich bin zu doof. ich hab laut gear 19,90% cd. nach dieser formel müsste ich dann tatsächlich 18,94% haben. angezeigt im spiel sind unter meiner 19,90% dann aber nur 16,597%. ich gehe mal davon aus das der wert der im spiel angezeigt wird dann auch stimmt. stimmt was bei meiner rechnung nicht oder der formel. ich setzte mal ein 19,90/(1+19,90)=18,94%. so sollte es doch richtig sein oder?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hi, Cooldown Speed formula has changed since it was first made. Just use the in-game number they already calculate for you for Debuff Dura, Buff Dura, and Cooldown Speed.

[@chrisbaddabum]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP OK, that of course makes it difficult to calculate how high the CD will be in the end. I'm just testing a little until the EU release. The question is also how high focus from the rod affects the existing CD.

[@StacemanYT]

Is there a damage formula for how damage taken is calculated? for example: evasion>block>endurance>defense?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Yes, it's Evas > Res > Shield Block Chance (SnS) > End > Defense

[@Qbikk]

hey there, stupid question to check if i got it right in the meth for skill damage boost, assuming u full trait a ring to 80 skill damage boost that would then be (80 / 1080) * 100% would mean its an increase of roughly 7.4% dmg done (factoring out everything else for simplicity)?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Yes.

[@tasty-ramen]

What about collision chance and tornadoes etc? Seems to be very lackluster in my testing, even at 750 collision resistance against opponents with 200-300 chance.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

It's near impossible to resist Tornados because it's a multi-hit ability, which means all 5 attacks for example from Tornado apply Collision so you'd have to resist all 5 times which is very difficult.

[@Babywelons]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP Ayyo whats X in the colision calculation

[@chrisbaddabum]

Hello, I've heard quite a few times that evade has a hidden dimishing return. The example given was that if you had 2000 more evade than your opponent hit, it would still only be 66% evade. That should be 100%. mathematically even 200%. Is that true about the dimishing return? So basically the same as described for the crit in the video you posted here.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hi, almost every single stat has diminishing returns. I have a video with formulas that you can use to understand what your actual stat value is vs it's countering stat.

[@chrisbaddabum]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP is this not the video :) ? i see here that every 10 points evade over the enemy hit is 1% evade. i see no dimishing return. I ask this specifically because I built 2 builds, one with over 2000 evade for all 3 damage types and one where I ignored melee evade. If there is no dimishing return with Evade everything is fine, if there is I have to think about something.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@chrisbaddabum I said it in the text doc and I believe also in the video that the stat description in game is not accurate to what it actually is. Simplest way to understand is that when you have 1k Crit Hit, it does not equal 100% critical hit chance. Not in PvE nor PvE. There are always diminishing returns (stat/(stat+1000), and then reduction from its counter stat.

[@johnspartan4025]

Hi, i plan to play wand/staff, would like to build some Stun res to not get rammed by GS users, wondering if it's worth it. You can hardly get 500~ stun res with proper T2 equip sacrificing other stats, while a GS user can stack 500 stun chance easily by default. So, if i understood the math, at very best you can pair with him and it's stunning blow skill will stay at 80% chance, or you can forget taking it, and maybe his stun goes up to 100% i dunno. Doesn't look worth that much for only that 20% at best, and having low stun res value look useless, you go high or nothing. Maybe it's better -debuff duration and forget stun res. Any suggestions? Thanks for your useful tips.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hi, yes! Stun Res is not worth because of this reasoning and Debuff Dura provides more reliable value.

[@johannpap1921]

Hi could you please tell me more about the pve mandatory stats for tanks ? sns gs is what im playing and im currently searching what are the lowest values i absolutely need in o be a pve beast.

[@Knurrfaucher]

I guess stacking endurance is good enough... tanking is not super hard and the chance of "glancing blows" from the enemy will give you (and your healer) even more room to breathe. In my personal opinion, playing mechanics correctly is better than any defensive stat. People finished the tower with crap blue gear. But hey... I'm just a dude on the internet so (by chance) I'm completely wrong on everything

[@LivelyAndrew]

Hey Jeri, what about Off Hand chance, how it works, does it stack with heavy attacks, any details on this would be highly appreciated, thanks!

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Oh I'm Eli. Jeri is my friend. Off-Hand can heavy.

[@LivelyAndrew]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP so that would make it x4 than ?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@LivelyAndrew Yes, very OP> Heavy Attack is a stupid stat imo.

[@Andy.TaeNyGG]

Do you have a Bow/Wand Leveling Guide?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I don't at the moment sorry. I haven't had much time to play this week until today. So I will be working on a bunch of stuff from today, onwards!

[@Andy.TaeNyGG]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP No worries. Take your time.

[@nightshadow9683]

staff/wand build. should i layer my defences with raw defence and hp?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Should be Evasion build. Melee/Ranged Eva specifically. I have them on my Maxroll.gg

[@CHACHENWAGENTV]

does skill damage boost or additional damage boost affect DoT effects somehow?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Yes!

[@CHACHENWAGENTV]

​@@EliEli.MMOPVP so if my fireball burn stack deals 30 damage before the stat application, it will be 45 per stack right? Or it applies for the whole damage like for 10 stacks of fire in the example forementionet that would be 315 with the additional damage?

[@CHACHENWAGENTV]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP also the question is does the DoT damage amps apply before flat damage boost or does it apply after?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@CHACHENWAGENTV It depends on your skill damage boost. You use the SDB formula to calculate the % dmg increase. Change Time for Punishment to the SDB increase variant and check your Fireball burn stack without the TfP buff, then check it with the TfP buff.

[@emotionaltides6617]

How to know what exact number of evasion/endurance etc. does enemy monster or player have during the combat ?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

You can't tell unless the player tells you. Or you notice how much you're evading or forcing a non-crit against your enemy.

[@reeenatu]

ok, now whos making a spreadsheet?

[@Laimuloz]

Its strange, but when we tested on korea, when prs have around 1.4k evasion and another have around 200hit - it seems like he miss more than 50%, almost every spell

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Were you testing with basic attacks? Basic attacks ignore the formulas and conditions. Also, the rule of never missing only applies if someone's Hit is MORE than someone else's Evasion. Not Vice-Versa. Only with Endurance would more Endurance vs Crit result in zero crits with abilities only.

[@RealDeWatch]

Yo one question, is there any information on how much evasion, resistances, endurance, hit and critical hit enemies have in PVE?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Not really. We know what we should have for the countering stat. Hit is 500, Crit doesn't matter, resistance doesn't matter that much, and Evasion has high as possible.

[@RealDeWatch]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP I see, thank you, I will do some testing and calculate it for myself

[@johannpap1921]

Hi could you please tell me more about the pve mandatory stats for tanks ? sns gs is what im playing and im currently searching what are the lowest values i absolutely need in o be a pve beast.

[@Lain2-c]

Do we know if damage reduction works against dots / magic spells and such ?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Not towards DoTs, but yes to Magic.

[@Lain2-c]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP Alright, thank you

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@Lain2-c No worries!

[@kordvoa9653]

I still don’t understand the CC chance vs resist, if I have 400 resist vs someone with base 300 chance of that cc, what is the chance to resist it?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hi, right now 500 resist vs 250-300 Chance is like a 20% chance of the CC going off. So 400 vs 300 is probably like 35%.

[@speedeeespeedeee263]

This guy casually reciting damage formulas while there is an epic fight in the background with jumping off cliffs and fighting on the side of a mountain like in lord of the rings xD Maybe I try this game on Oct 1.

[@TurnipGamingTV]

KING

[@AlexandrosNewWorld]

Hey bro! Love the vid. You mentioned that a tank gets more evasion as more enemies are near him, but this is not accurate. Your passive increases defense, not evasion (unless I am missing sth). Could you please explain then, if perhaps Endurance > Evasion for tanks?

[@shino3463]

Read first sword passiv its plural

[@AlexandrosNewWorld]

@@shino3463 If you are referring to Skilled Evasion, targets need to be provoked first. Not very easy to do in clamps, considering you can Provoke up to 5 targets.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@AlexandrosNewWorld Oh no that's not how it works. So the first part of Skillfull Evasion provides you 300 Magic and Range evasion no matter what as long as you are around enemy targets (it won't show in your stat sheet either). The second part only increases evasion by an ADDITIONAL amount vs provoked targets. The Rare and Epic bonuses only increase evasion by the amount they state on top of the 120 vs Provoked targets.

[@AlexandrosNewWorld]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP Yeah about the 1st part I agree, even tho imo it's a bit lacking. Endurance seems the way to go - pending ofc the upcoming updates.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@AlexandrosNewWorld Definitely!

[@ivanrodrigosoria6683]

So.. if i play healer i must get endurance traits ? 1melee-2magic-3range?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

No, not exactly. If you don't use daggers then run Endurance. I like Plate armour because it gives most Defense stats and Melee and Ranged Endurance.

[@McPeror]

Can I use plate armor as wand bow healer?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Absolutely! Do not get hung up on the armor type. It's about stacking the proper amount of evasion or endurance.

[@AlphAtomix]

what is the stat collision? I dont understand

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Collision are pushes and pulls. So like chain pull from SnS, or the Shield push skill, or Vortex arrow, etc.

[@Afterhours.101]

sick video

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you! Feel free to share with your friends.

[@BamxDD]

so I thought heavy attack chance 600=60%, so it was wrong , we need to stack more...

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

hehe

[@JaxTracer]

this is for pvp, how about pve bosses.. how do I figure out what their stats are? or does it not wwork like that for bosses??

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

For bosses it really doesn't matter. You can run 300 Hit for example and not miss on T1 bosses.

[@Dark74111]

is there anything you can do about stun resist it seems like a dead stat when greatsword users can stack 700+ chance you can only stack close to 400 it seems pointless

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Not at the moment :(

[@shieldyboy]

Is collision explained in this video?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Not the stat specifically.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Collision includes knockbacks, pulls, knockups, and knockdowns/prones.

[@KHVNIVORE]

does mobs and bosses have endurance? is it worth going 1000+ in pve?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Mobs and Bosses are mostly melee. It's not worth prioritizing gear to counter them since you can clear PvE perfectly fine in PvP gear. Eventually build a 4p Trans set for PvE.

[@KHVNIVORE]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP question was more about does dagger lowers endurance for bosses in pve so other party members have higher crit ?

[@YamiiGames]

is crit build even viable in this game

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I wouldn't full stack it. Hard Diminishing Returns as well. You can reach proper Crit levels on Dagger and Longbow healer without much effort as well.

[@omardiaz-xw1yd]

show weapons skill skill specializations

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

maxroll.gg/throne-and-liberty/build-guides/wand-longbow-pvp-build-guide#skill-builds-header maxroll.gg/throne-and-liberty/build-guides/wand-longbow-pve-build-guide#skill-builds-header

[@ALBANIANSAMURAI]

you forgot shield block chance....

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I did, sorry!

[@lesbiannoyed]

staff and crossbow evasion not talked about at all what?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hi, they exist I just didn't remember to bring it up in this video :D

[@DaBroughtHD]

I LOVE YOU

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Haha, thank you!

[@Teraxis_Gaming]

gotta say math is not mathing.... *100 and *100% is not the same thing, just saying but beyond that vid looks good, hopefully that is all correct :D

[@PeladoPalta]

I feel the same about the heavy attack chance since day 1 of the game, it's a stupid stat, a rng chance to hit twice can never be balanced, and it would fix the short time to kill of the game.

[@higguma]

Theres a guy named FakeUni who fails to explain 5% of this knoweldge in the same amount of time and even confuses many with his rambling. Just wow 😂

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I just met him yesterday. So far a cool dude but I haven't checked his content yet.

[@nyulf]

Bro, go to a website where you put together your build and leave it in the video links, you look like mayonnaise when you don't do that

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

My builds are on a website. I've replied with them in a bunch of comments already. Everything about the game is changing this Tuesday which is why I didn't put them in videos or descriptions. I will change everything this Tuesday with new Tripod and Rune systems and weapon balancing.

[@TLGodsenD]

first

[@gorn3662]

Bulshit abaut evasion, my friend in duel had less evasion tahn my hit and somtimes i miss AA

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Yea, because if you actually LISTEN, I say auto-attacks does not get affected by stats the same way as skills. You need to srsly ask questions when you clearly know nothing instead of cursing and/or making false assumptions.

[@gorn3662]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP first of all, you neither said it in the video nor is it written in the linked file, the second thing is today I will check if it works on skills as you say and AA is mutch part of dmg

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@gorn3662 I did say it in the video and I also reference how stats work with "skills". If you came here to be a skeptic for whatever reason, that's weird. And I didn't say AA is not a part of damage, it's just clearly not calculated the same as Skill Damage which is also why Skill Damage and Auto-Attacks are two different colours. You came into the comments section cussing and and making assumptions instead of asking questions, so if you don't like the energy you're getting back that's your problem.