Melee and Ranged Endurance Tests and What My Healer Builds Are Looking Like | Throne and Liberty

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Some things I forgot to mention to also consider when building: - ****Endurances does not evade any CC or debuffs that are thrown at you. So you are eating EVERY. SINGLE. Debuff and CC. This is not ideal especially for healers without an SnS to provide them extra defenses.***** - The Hit of a Greatsword is dependent on their health remaining. This doesn't really matter much because their one shot combo can happen from stealth so they can catch from surprise before you even damage them. And have a lot of follow-up CC and gap closers to continue a combo if you break from their stun. - In a ZvZ, the max range DPS are who will be easily targetting you the most, while greatswords would struggle if your raid is decent. In smallscale is where greatswords shine and aim to target you a bit more freely. Crit and Endurance Formula Crit Chance = ((Your Crit - Enemy Endurance) / (Your Crit - Enemy Endurance + 1000)) * 100 % Hit and Evasion Formula Evasion Chance = ((Your Evasion - Enemy Hit) / (Your Evasion - Enemy Hit + 1000)) * 100 %

[@PG_TrusT]

What if the defender evasion is 205 and the attacker hit is 1305. If I did my math right, according to that formula the defender should have 1100% chance to evade. The formula returns really wonky results when the attacker's hit is greater than the defender's evasion by 1000 or more.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@PG_TrusT I think you used the formula incorrectly. When I do it I get 11% chance to evade. Try using ChatGPT or Google to complete the formula.

[@PG_TrusT]

Yes, you were right, it is 11% chance to evade, I used the formula wrong indeed. But having an evasion lower than the enemy hit wouldn't it completely negate the evasion and you'd have 0% chance to evade? I thought that's what you said from another video.

[@PG_TrusT]

For example, use your formula again but this time defender evasion is 205 and attacker hit is 1206. See what result you get. Mine is through the roof.

[@chrisbaddabum]

OK, I used your formula, it would be nice if you could check my results. I have an evade of 2100. My opponent has 1400 hits. According to the formula I would then have 41.176% evade. If I just assume that there is 1% Evade for every 10 Evade over the opponent's hit, in the example it would be 70% Evade. Which number is correct 41.175 or 70%? Thank you

[@WhileSilent]

Thank you for the indepth analysis. I'm excited to see what other technology you've cooked or will cook up

[@cocodoingstuff4554]

as a sns+wand user I'd love to see your friends build you mentioned haha

[@victormontivero1998]

Very informative and detailed video dude.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you!

[@confeitoterapia2838]

Such a relief seeing your channel... I've been struggling to find someone that focus on healer to inspire my own Build on the global release. Do you plan on making an early game build guide by any chance? I don't know how far on the content we're getting on global, but that would help a lot ❤

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thank you. Also, yes I will be making those guides for sure!

[@curtist6022]

For Staff + Wand would Melee & Ranged Endurance be good stats to go for? I noticed your Questlog build uses Magic Endurance instead of melee

[@joeiteevee3604]

Great video, why does the Tev GS / Tev Dag player not use shadowstrike instead of dash? precision dash lets you pre-pop blessed barrier... he's not playing to prevent you from casting anything through silence which is the most likely scenario that would kill this build.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Thanks Joei! I'm not sure haha, but he was the only geared Korean who responded to help me test numbers T.T

[@joeiteevee3604]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP it's all good brother, the video was meant to showcase the build and how it can hold against different melee classes, and it shows just that. I was just hoping that tev gs tev dag player would know how to play GS but he loves his precision dash! xD that silence will play a big part on countering casters

[@makstedi]

Hey Eli, great video. Are you currently in global release leaning most towards double endurance (magic/ranged) and melee evasion? I play wand and bow and definitely want to keep using this weapon combo at all cost.

[@PejorativeDaedal]

So if im a f2p seeker wand/bow, should i go for endurance or evasion? I notice evasion builds are extremely expensive. Should i still go for evasion?

[@stockmonster79]

If you’re gonna be a combat healer, you need to drop a few heals to add in curses and then detonate all curses very effective

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I'm not a combat healer. That wasn't the purpose of this video nor the focus at all.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Running curse explosion DPS on Longbow in PvP would be trolling as well unless it was a 1v1 or arena. My channel focuses mainly on Large Scale combat related tests and content.

[@mateuspaganmoro5741]

Good night, I loved your videos. In your opinion, which is the best healer to play? With staff or bow or sword and shield

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Depends on your playstyle. ZvZ DPS: Wand/Staff > Wand/SnS > Wand/Dagger > Wand/Longbow ZvZ Full Utility Support: Wand/Staff > Wand/SnS > Wand/Longbow > Wand Dagger ZvZ Full Healing: Wand/Longbow > Wand/Staff > Wand/Dagger > (small gap) Wand/SnS Small Scale: Wand/Dagger > Wand/SnS > Wand/Staff > Wand/Longbow (Longbow and Staff require more gear to survive better when focused by many). 1v1: Wand/Dagger > Wand/SnS > (small gap depending on skill level) Wand/Staff > Wand/Longbow Arena: Wand/Dagger > Wand/Staff > Wand/SnS > Wand/Longbow

[@boyet5299]

Better build for longbow staff ? Eva o endurance ?

[@DriverJ-N]

What about gs/wand best to go endurance as well? Has 1 defensive passive and hp passive so obviously not as good has sns

[@kortopasyo]

do you have stats and equips the one you notice SNS/WAND?

[@lorenzobonaretti2887]

can you share an idea of what the builds you mentioned looked like? Staff/wand with 2500 eva seems high

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I will this Friday or weekend!

[@gaetanotiralongo6795]

Hi , what do u think about playing wand/dagger healer with the possibility to do a stealth sleep/spreed for your bomb squad team and then keep on healing for the most part?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Viable and common on KR :D

[@victormontivero1998]

If I wanna heal in some dungeons, but in PVP I wanna heal sometimes and other do something like a hybrid build and a DPS build for AoE farming mobs will Staff/Wand better than Bow/Wand? Also do you have build for that, I've no idea the optimar way to build something like that and if I will need more than one set of gear. Sorry my broken english.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

No worries. I will be posting updated builds for both tomorrow or Wednesday in Healer Discord. Feel free to join us to catch it :D. Also, Wand/Staff provides more personal dmg, but Wand/Longbow provides more party DPS because of Deadly Marker. Both really strong and what is preferred depends more on party comp. Cleanse from Longbow is helpful/needed in higher Challenge mode dungeons.

[@davidkincses724]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP Hey, the same question here! I wan to be as useful during dungeons as can, but also like farming/grinding sometimes solo. Does a wand/staff have some disadvantage getting groups for example abyss contracts ? Is there any level where longbow/wand is just much more better for healer than wand/staff ? Also what's up with mana? Longbow/wand has mana issues ?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@davidkincses724 Wand/Staff never struggles to get a party or solo whatever they want. It's the most universal healer build. Wand/Longbow has the most heals and best healing throughput compared to any other healer. They will have mana issues if you don't have proper Mana Regen.

[@ChannelNoahSkeen]

Doesn't the endurance passive on bow increase with more party members within a 15m radius? Would the 250 more endurance when near a full group make a noticeable difference?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I wish it did :( . It definitely doesn't make a difference for Melee, neither does it for Ranged since you only need 1,200 Ranged End to counter Bella Xbow so any extra isn't really needed. A Ranged/Magic End build is definitely more worth, but I'm more curious to see if a Range/Magic End with Magic Eva is possible. Or just super high Health Ranged/Magic End with good cooldown. I'll be playing around with it more.

[@johnspartan4025]

You mentioned a hp/cooldown build. I'd like to know if cooldown reduction has diminishing return and/or iit's capped. I cannot find this info anywhere and i'm not playing the game.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Cooldown Speed diminishing return just like Debuff and Buff Duration are already calculated for you in game. The game shows you the difference as well pre- and post- diminishing returns.

[@cozyshou]

Eli, which traits is best for Wand SNS healer tank build? Which traits increases healing power? Thanks for all these info man. We owe you lots. ❤

[@Old-Babylonian]

great job! can you please make longbow skills / wand for Pve or Pvp just so that we can attack more than healing :)

[@danielshade5085]

I hear endurance build better then evasion on longbow staff too. So wondering what’s your final thought ? Was planning to go evasion before but hearing endurance might be better on longbow.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Melee is definitely not that helpful. For range, reaching 1,200 Ranged End is perfect for countering Bella Xbow. Anything extra isn't really needed. A Ranged/Magic End build is definitely more worth, but I'm more curious to see if a Range/Magic End with Magic Eva is possible. Or just super high Health Ranged/Magic End with good cooldown. I'll be playing around with it more.

[@icebox6914]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP so if melee endurance isnt worth and melee evasion isnt worth since they have so much hit, whats the counter vs GS lol ?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@icebox6914 Welcome to Throne and Liberty friend where the only broken weapon in the game is a dumb two-handed sword :D !

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@icebox6914 On a serious note, it's stacking Health or playing Wand/SnS + DR, because your skills are enough to sustain them, you just need a lot of health to eat the damage and then you can insta recover health after.

[@Dark74111]

@@EliEli.MMOPVPyou can with dawnmist some of the pieces have magic end tho not ranged

[@pszt8]

Bro vs Xbow you can survive so easy because the shield passive of bows that trigger with weaken. All xbow apply weaken with almost all hit, so dont complain about surviving vs a xbow.

[@qm3s104]

for palladin will be ok range endurance with mele evasion ? or renge andurance with mele andurance ? with one will be better ?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Full Endurance and cooldown speed max.

[@qm3s104]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP i go endurance mele endurance range and evasion mele xd

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@qm3s104 If you're frontline paladin, you should have 0 magic defenses because they're spamming their magic AoE where you'll be (meteors, lightning chains, all DoTs, etc.) You'll get insta blown up. You need to build a balance of three or Melee/Magic for Siege and Wars.

[@Keiji_Kun]

Hey Eli, genuine question. Ive heard there is a diminish return for Crit Hit too, which caps around 50%+-. Would Melee Endurance still lose based on your video?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Oh no. The trick with Endurances is to build really high Defenses to pair with them. Crit Hit does have diminishing returns, but I'd always use formulas to understand how you Endurance compares to the avg Crit Hit. maxroll.gg/throne-and-liberty/resources/in-depth-stats-guide

[@WhatIfTheories]

I believe all stats follow the DR of stats you will find in the Maxroll stat guide. Where 2k stats = 66% 1.5k = 60% So we can see how sharply it starts to cut off. However in regards to damage reduction more will alway be more effective in a sense so having over 2k defense pared with damage reduction, endurance and skills will yield better results.

[@charleswood3575]

Can you please explain why you only stack one evasion? You gear has 3 slots for traits so you can easily always stack two types . For example you have 4 peices both with meeele and ranged endurance. Why would you NOT do this? Ive heard twice now people only stacking one evasion but it makes no sense when there are three traits . Also i am staff/wand. I just thought rock paper scissors meant you were good against two things and weakto the third. Not good against 1 thing and weak to two. Like you can put the same amout of evasion or endurance for two stats...you get 120 on 4/5 pieces its not like the other two trait slots you can put more of the same evasion so why not do two? Please explain this to me i dont get it

[@vbaldokaizen8748]

I havent seen his build, but if you have mixed gear (melee/ranged, melee/magic, ranged/magic), and can't focus on two, then its better to focus on one and get endurance on the rest. Evasion is a counter stat, meaning that, if you can't reach a threshold, then it's useless. Endurance, in the other hand, its the mechanic thats getting countered, so any amounts of it is useful.

[@amazingcabbage39]

You said builds are easy to farm? So maxing out traits on your new build is easy? And also how can you farm it when u only get like 2 dungeon runs a day? Plesse help im newer player.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hi, obtaining pieces for the most part is pretty balanced and easy for a lot of items. Checkout my Maxroll for Longbow and Staff to see where all the Gear Sources are and their alternatives. The game has a lot of systems to give gear for free like tokens you can trade in for items or Substance Transformation. You can learn about this on Maxroll.gg as well. A lot of gear comes from Open World Dungeons as well which you can grind a lot of. You can do 3 dungeons a day as well, not 2.

[@Klannahar]

Ohh i forget to ask u. Have a question, how endurance work in PVE?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Endurance in PvE doesn't really procc often since mobs and bosses don't usually crit a lot. Evasion is more noticeable and effective.

[@Klannahar]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP I did test evasion, and before i did quit i started to swap to endurance, but could not properly test it. Ty for ur answer, ill keep it in mind for global when and if i make an alt.

[@chrisbaddabum]

what do you think about collision and stun resistance on the healer, so that you are not incapacitated. this is basically the death of the healer. and how much resi would you recommend in the t2 endgame, so that you are in the cc as rarely as possible?

[@Zulgen123]

extremely hard to build without sns masteries. endgame greatswords are now 2000 hit with equal or more evasion unless you have 2500 or above evasion against these builds i wouldnt even bother sns or die at this point

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Can build easily on Wand/SnS and decent on Wand/Longbow

[@PatDuke_]

Does ranged evasion / endurance work against staff users ? Or is that only magic evasion / endurance ?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Only Magic Eva and End work against Staff.

[@_Az__]

Give me more videos!!!

[@ardhunter]

Bro you have build Gs+Dager for PVE build ? Sharing bro if you have I want try Gs + Dagger 🤣

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I don't, but my budy @joeiteevee3604 does. Join his Discord discord.gg/4ZX2SdMa

[@boon6848]

what's the on your alt 8?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Alt+8? That's not one of my buttons.

[@boon6848]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP i meant alt num 8 lol the double sword thing lol

[@webfabio6259]

i need build Staff/Wand for DPS to global. Anyone have any link to recommend?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I have Wand/Staff builds here: maxroll.gg/throne-and-liberty/build-guides/wand-staff-pvp-build-guide If you meant a full DPS Wand/Staff with no healing abilities or just Swift Heal I can send you one.

[@webfabio6259]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP i want play full dps crit,atk speed,CD skills... And using 2skills for Heal and 1 skill for mana.. I like play more pve content too. U have build for that? Thx bro

[@webfabio6259]

Pve for single target or aoe dungeons or farming contract

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@webfabio6259 Yes, I have Wand/Longbow and Wand/Staff PvE builds on Maxroll. maxroll.gg/throne-and-liberty/build-guides/wand-longbow-pve-build-guide

[@webfabio6259]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP Nice i used maxroll alot in diablo 4.. Thank you.. Ill check now the leveling and pve build for wand staff👍

[@EpheriumGG]

11th!

[@sEvenDASHi]

Question about Hit Chance. So the "common knowledge" is that if the attacker has just 1 more hit chance than the defender has evasion, the evasion does literally nothing and attacker has 100% chance to hit. Yet, at the same time, the tooltip on hit chance says: "Melee Hit-Chance: Increase the Hit Chance of melee attacks and the chance to apply CC effects with melee skills. If your stat is higher than the target's Melee Evasion, for every 10 points of difference, Hit Chance increase by about 1%. As the difference increases, efficiency decreases. " So is the tooltip lying? Descriptions for endurance vs crit chance are exactly the same, as if the intention was to compare it and increase the chance of the greater one by 1% per 10 points. This seems reasonable, but it never says what would be the starting point of this tug of war. To be honest, there are many translation errors in the game, so I wouldn't be surprised if the tooltip on HitChance was wrong. On the other hand, having "if you just have more of this stat, you'll always hit" feels like pretty bad all-or-nothing game design, doesn't it? I heard the statement about hit chance being 100% as soon as the evasion is lower, no matter how much lower, comes from direct in-game experimentation. Do you happen to maybe know any videos of such experiments, any source data, or maybe developer statement on how this stat is truly supposed to work? Thanks in advance! :>

[@focusairsoft]

Well, tbh TL is showing that a healer can't solo a Tank or DPS using just DoTs. I like it very much, healers are healers. You can tank some damage but can't be immortal. And TL is not meant to be played small-scale pvp, so everything I saw on your tests are OK and a healer can go either EVA or END.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

That wasn't the point of the test. The point of the test was to show the value of stacking Melee or Ranged Endurances. If stacking it is not beneficial then you should consider stacking other stats you can get more value from like Health, CDS, Debuff Dura, etc. Stacking a stat that doesn't even help you vs the Damage type you are trying to build defenses against regardless if it's small scale or ZvZ is silly.

[@PeladoPalta]

They need to nerf GS asap, they have everything, just too much power in 1 weapon.A lot of hit, Infinite CC, engage, disengage, aoe stun, HP, Defense, Hp regen, heavy attack, etc.

[@Dark74111]

I was hoping they would have given staff better options to counter gs but the inner peace only works on the user if they are inside the aoe so they can stun you by leaping which is stupid

[@Jefecino]

They dont need to nerf gs: move chance to hit to dexterity and perception gives cc defense also (gives cc attack). Problem solved

[@snargag1997]

Stfu with your nerfs already Jesus

[@DemocnasDemocna-oo1fx]

Yeah i left game becuase of gs dash perma stun defance hp. Hp regen fuckn shit weapon

[@bladesamah]

They should ner stsff etc because they can kill multiple people at once with a lot of aoe damage.. every build has its qualities and are op against certain other builds. Same as with gs etc

[@えーくっと]

Endurance in Healer with Bow and Wand against other classes is meaningless really; because neither way ranged or melee healers will always weak against one type. Therefore, it is more important to give stats to like range increment, attack speed increment, cooldown related like extra stats (all of them are important for healer too, if you want to more effective in healing where Players love to run away around when their HP is low and healers are chasing them). Already, for pvp or pve or any contents there are zero rewards for being a healer, a support character; but in Throne and Liberty, every reward is based on how fast you defeat your opponents, how many assists and kills you make in pvp and pve contents of the game. Even tanks can get rewards, except full support healers... Healers sacrifice many subjects to play that class and it is really painful at leveling (after lvl 20), and you cannot grind AOE mob farm like other DPS classes. Healing is weak in this game against full dps builds because once your skills enter cooldown, you are done in pvp and pve; it is hard to sustain to heal yourself and your team members in this game. For healers to enjoy the game, the game should make the game more dependant on healers while doing contents. Apart from that, self-targeting is not very effective by using ALT+1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 buttons. The developers should take examples from Tera Online healing class, and healing targeting feature really. New T&L patch, only the wand weapon changings were not so impressive really.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Hi, this video was just to test Endurances and show people that I don't recommend stacking them on Longbow alone since I've been receiving a lot of questions about them. My personal build is just Cooldown and Max Health stacking. Also, my keys with Alt+ are macros keys rebinded on my mouse so they work way better than what you are imagining. I disagree with AoE farming. Wand players AoE grind really well with Explosion combo. I easily solo farm Shadowed Crypt and Sara Isalnd by myself killing 15 mobs at once with Curse Explosion combo and Staff abilities rotated in. Wand/Longbow I can even solo farm both places well without issues. I encourage you to test properly before commenting incorrect statements like that so you don't mislead people :D. I think healing could use some more improvements for sure though. However, I do great with my regular build in keeping my static alive on main servers. It's not always about healing, it's also about how you use CC and other utility and support skills to setup kills for your group and peel for them like what I do when I play Wand/Staff and Wand/SnS.

[@えーくっと]

​@@EliEli.MMOPVP so using macro is legal in this game? other mmorpgs I have played, if you get caught you are banned... I only played in open beta until lvl 48 as bow and wand. So I don't have the best gear to do such AOE farming you are mentioning with a Korean healer account at T&L. Even you use macro for self healing, the usage of skills are very situational in most cases so macro should not be so effective to click every buttons of the mouse. Tera Online has done and applied this self and targeting healing in far better way in my opinion, thy should take some examples from that game really. In the dungeons or open world events, players run away when thy are low hp, you run after them so the weapon range is important too, of course attack speed is important too because you need to give damage to heal someone even it is very less healing (healing cooldowns are very long and most of them are not so effective to give good healing). Every stat is needed and important for healer I guess while dps or tank can focus on one aspect only. This game needs a true healing weapon and some rework on the healing mechanics, and thy need to add some rewarding system for healers too; because this game rewards only DPS, not healing support.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@えーくっと I think you need to play the game a bit more and reach endgame. At T2 endgame a lot of what you're assuming isn't true, respectfully. The early experience of this game is no where comparable to what you can do at endgame. Also, when I say macro I just mean rebinding extra buttons on my mouse. I have 8 buttons on my mouse and I can rebind keyboard keys to them so I have 8 really easy keys to press which are the Alt+1, etc., buttons that you see.

[@えーくっと]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP I only write what I experienced on open beta, nothing more; but I am behind the main subjects I have mentioned still that thy need to care and give more improvements, rewards and some improvements on healing, healing role / mechanics, and a true healing weapon for better healing skills and adding resurrection etc. what mouse do you using?

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@えーくっと Logitech G502

[@Ghost-rf2ye]

Bad information, this is not accurate. You need to build with your passives and skills. And scale defenses with endurance for it to be effective. Sns can reach 100%+ block chance. Read that out loud slowly. Then you understand why they build endurance. No chance to be hit, when hit it’s low. Evasive builds require more the end

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

You didn't even listen to the video. I didn't say Endurance was bad for all builds or even for me. I run triple Endurances and it works great. Why don't you calm down for second you sound like a man baby.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

I was talking about myself. Do you see an SnS on my char or SnS skills on my bar. Geez you're nuts lol. Also, this video wasn't a "these are the new builds or "facts""... I literally say this what I'm thinking and by now I already have my build figured out with triple endurances for my Longbow build.

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

Next, time join the Discord and ask a question. You're embarrassing yourself. So odd discord.gg/S8zWbKAWuB

[@Ghost-rf2ye]

@@EliEli.MMOPVP trash information and your poor 2 win. Hence why you don’t understand the game mechanics of which you are making bad content on. Good job

[@EliEli.MMOPVP]

@@Ghost-rf2ye Loool you have no idea what you're talking about. It's okie, you have issues listening. I main triple endurance and scale Defenses high but you wouldn't know that because you don't listen lmao. You're literally arguing about nothing relevant to the video because we gear the same based on your first comment. Sheesh some people are so dense...