Amazing Grace (2 of 3) The History and Theology of Calvinism

theapologeticsg... Section 2: The Testimony of Scripture - The Five Points of Calvinism are explained. Supporting texts are given, and the questions raised in opposition by Arminians are answered in their contextual setting. Applications of Calvinism are compared with the Arminian view of man's free will.

[@christishante]

This teaching has truly been a blessing to me. Thankful for God's grace which lead me to it!

[@shaunkirkdorffer455]

This series is tremendous. We have always been taught the Arminian interpretation of Romans 8:29. All I can say is WOW. Foreknow in this verse as compared to Genesis 4:1 is to fore love. From eternity past God has set His loving affection, His intimate love upon His elect and it's His elect that He has predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son!! Glory to God alone!!

[@bobfree1226]

you misunderstand the scriptures.. So God already chose a certain portion,before he created mankind an those get Salvation and ALL the rest ,woman men and children wind up forever in Hell,an thats Glorius? unbelievable AND the Earliest Reformers Rejected what you have stated and were 4 pt calvanists who wrote against Limited Atonement an Calvin even said it was Dreadful and Terrible.Augustine himself also rejected it,YOU better do more research!

[@onlyhis5870]

@@bobfree1226 God knows EXACTLY what He’s doing. We CANNOT stand in judgement over Him! Can you reference what you’re saying about the earliest Reformers? I would like to understand what you’re referring to.

[@jeanluc1404]

I can only watch this presentation in small doses. There is so much WELCOME truth here that it tends to overwhelm. That simplest of sayings: 'My sheep know my voice, the voice of another they shall not heed.' really comes roaring to life in so many instances. Prior to my encounter with Christ, I was approached by a number of the popular cults but sitting through their presentations, remained unwilling to sign up. It was only years later that I finally realized that my not joining had nothing to do with my superior wit or insight - but everything to do with God's grace. He had a different plan for me, He was seeking me and not the reverse. Many of the greatest hymns of the faith were written by those who were given to express their wonder and rejoicing at this revelation.

[@OYE1272]

Daniel Mooney amen!

[@prototubie1]

Great series explains the nature of man in his sinful state. Even before I understood this I knew that there was no good in me that's before I was born again. Without grace and mercy I would have died in my sins. He dragged me to the Cross!

[@mikemas311]

I absolutely love this series. I now know the truth and have just recently come out of semi-palagianism/arminiamism. The bible definitely declares the doctrines of grace. Praise God for opening my eyes after months of examining arminiamism and calvanism.

[@Scripture-Man]

+mikeypju Dear friend, please do not be deceived. I almost fell for Calvinism myself because when I read about TULIP, I agreed with TULIP. Certainly, God has an Elect whom He has chosen to save, and it is ONLY the sins of the Sheep for whom Jesus Christ paid the penalty on the cross-not for anyone else. As 2 Peter 2 makes very clear: everyone who is not truly in Christ will take the punishment themselves for their own sins. Christ never even knew those people, let alone died for them! However, Calvinism is much more than just the five simple points of TULIP, Calvinism contains many dangerous and heretical views concerning faith, repentance, and being born again (as these videos prove). Calvinism twists the meaning of faith, and does away with the need for faith. Basically, Calvinism is a religious system for men who love to sin, and want to carry on sinning knowing that they are 'covered'. That is a million miles away from true repentance! I hope you will carefully consider what I have written about Calvinism elsewhere in these comments to this video. But above all, please do not buy into Calvinism, which is a "church" teaching: just turn to the Lord and His Word for the Truth, and if you do that, it will be impossible for you to be a Calvinist. The whole history of Calvinism is rooted in antichrists in the "church" religion. The "church" at large belongs to Satan. First it was run by the Catholics, and then came the Reformation will all of its lies and religion. Meanwhile, a small number of God's people were being quietly saved in the background. But the Lord declares: "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew 7:13) Many people think that either Calvinism or Armenianism has to be true. But no, both are totally wrong. They both deny the Bible. Forget about them and pray to be filled with Truth. Truth comes from God, not from men's teaching.

[@danielgilbert7366]

+Lee Bee Calvinist Keep sinning??? By a Calvinist understanding of scripture you would be unregenerate and unsaved if God did not start, continue and finish a good work in you. (Take out your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh). If you know of Calvinists that are using the faith as a way of license to sin then id say they are not saved. Where you get your reasoning from no one knows?

[@robotnik77]

Lee Bee. It's apparent that you do not understand Calvinism, nor the Scriptures. We believe not that God elected us because we are holy, but because God would make us Holy, through the Word and the Holy Spirit. We do not believe in a 'system' that allows for the covering of our sins. We confess our sins and pray that God reforms us and restores His moral image in us. What you wrote is a scurrilous charge against the church that is founded on nothing but your imagination. You sound like one who would diminish his sins in order to appear to be holy. "By the works of the law shall no man be saved." We were justified by faith through the cross work of Christ, and by His resurrection from the dead. Our sins were there expiated, not covered. We are now truly free to serve Christ, not sin.

[@mariosangermano]

@@Scripture-Man You have ZERO biblical passages for your beliefs. I've never seen such blatant baseless opinions and sheer IGNORANCE of Calvinism and those who adhere to it. Not to mention your sheer IGNORANCE of scripture. Who ever taught you... RUN, RUN FAST!!

[@markrogers7546]

A wonderful explanation of the historic battle between what is essentially humanism and the true Christian Gospel. Praise God! His grace is truly amazing!!

[@mariosangermano5709]

I believe every Christian should read Martin Luther's, The Bondage of the Will. Until the Arminiast can get past the fact that we are literally dead, spiritually dead in trespasses and sin, not just wounded, not a little sick in need of some help, but DEAD in need of a spiritual resurrection, the rest of reformed doctrine will not make sense to them. We are totally depraved. I was an Arminiast for 20 years until I understand this one important doctrine.

[@kevincourtney7312]

Arminians, please note that your positions as represented in this video are not being mocked or exaggerated, while every video I have seen from the Arminian perspective is rife with mockery and exaggeration of the Calvinistic perspective and as such is not honestly representing that viewpoint.

[@Stanzi18]

@KnightOfTheKing some of the best teachers and defenders of reformed theology are John Piper, John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul and James White. There are a lot of issues that are difficult to reconcile, but these teachers have been very helpful for me in answering those issues biblically.

[@theTavis01]

"not honestly representing that viewpoint." is the problem in and of itself. There is no authoritative official source for anyone to check to see exactly what Calvinist theology is. And this lack of documentation allows you to move the goalpost and accuse others of strawmanning which just perpetuates the divide rather than reaching a resolution. That is why Paul specifically warned in 1 Corinthians against creating divisive factions based on the teachings of men and to keep united in Christ.

[@mariosangermano]

@@theTavis01 No authoritative official source??? Have you not listened to any of this 3 part series?? Have you checked out the synod of Dort?, Have you read the reformed confessions such as the London Baptist confession 1689, the Westminster confession of faith?? the Heidelberg Catechism, etc...? No goal posts are being moved. These are set, always have been. Have you read the 5 points of Calvinism?? TULIP, where it came from and why?? Who wrote it and where the doctrines came from?? Then you use 1 Corinthians out of context and use as a pretext for your personal opinion. Calvinism is not the teachings of men, TULIP is based on biblical doctrine. The confessions and synods are based on SCRIPTURE ALONE not man's opinion. You seem to forget God has given us teachers and preachers to help us in our understanding of the bible. Confessions and synods serve to promote and establish true biblical doctrine. To protect us from error and false doctrine. I suggest you take a look at these scripture passages. Context is king my friend!! Romans 12:6-7, 1 Corinthians 12:27-29, 1 Timothy 3:2, 2 Timothy 2:24, 1 Timothy 4:11, 2 Timothy 2:2, Matthew 28:19, Ephesians 4:1. Other teachers include Levitical priests of the OT, Deuteronomy 4:14, 6:1, the apostles Mark 6;30, fathers of children, Proverbs 1:8, 4:4, fellow believers, Romans 15:14, Acts 22:3, John 3:10. These apply to us today as well.

[@mariosangermano]

@@theTavis01 If you're an Arminiast like I was for 20 + years before taking a reformed position , you might want to study the doctrines of Jacobus Arminias, and the 5 points of the Remonstrance that were challenged during the reformation.

[@theTavis01]

@@mariosangermano "Calvinism is not the teachings of men" Yes it is, that's why you call it Calvinism and not Christianity. Duh. I can 't believe I even had to explain that. "Have you not listened to any of this 3 part series?" Yes I have and it's not 100% consistent with what other Calvinists claim. Which of the dozens of references you posted will be the *_DEFINITIVE_* answer??? It has to be *_ONE_* definitive source, or there is *_NOT_* an authoritative definition. That's how reality works smart guy. "where it came from and why?" yep, TULIP came from prideful bickering between divisive factions who were both identifying with men rather than being unified in Christ, just like Paul warned against in 1 Corinthians. Who is Arminius? Was Calvin crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Calvin? "You seem to forget God has given us teachers and preachers to help us in our understanding of the bible." Yes that's right ... but *_IDENTIFYING_* with those teachers is *_EXACTLY_* the context of what I quoted from 1 Corinthians. You've also seemingly elevated TULIP to the level of divine infallibility despite the obvious fact that is is not. "The confessions and synods are based on SCRIPTURE ALONE" uh.... blatant eisegesis doesn't count. *_NO ONE_* would ever come to Calvinist conclusions upon a fresh reading of the Bible with no outside influence. By admission in this video TULIP was a *_REACTIONARY ARGUMENT_* to another faction. When dichotomies are presented, it is nearly always the case that neither side can claim sole ownership to the actual truth. Jesus Christ is the opposite of dichotomous, being the union of dichotomies. Jesus is the beginning *_AND_* the end. Jesus is man *_AND_* God. Jesus is a servant *_AND_* king. This is the nature of deity and spiritual truths. As soon as you choose one side or the other of a spiritual dichotomy you are moving away from the truth of Jesus. "If you're an Arminiast" I'm not. I'm a Christian. As such I understand that spiritual wisdom cannot be distilled down into analytic legalistic doctrines. There's a reason that Jesus primarily used parables to teach salvation. Looking into the depth of the Calvinist muck has *_NOT_* helped me to advance my spiritual understanding. I have concluded that Calvinism is mental masturbation and adds nothing edifying to the understanding of the Gospel. Don't like that accusation? Then tell me specifically, in no uncertain terms, precisely how uniquely Calvinist doctrine will help me to know and do God's will, above and beyond what I get from reading the Bible alone with the Holy Spirit guiding me into understanding.

[@robertfoertsch]

Praying For The Sovereign Will Of The Lord Jesus Christ...

[@robotnik77]

So God voted for you, Satan voted against you, but you were sovereign and had the deciding vote? Talk about pride.

[@theTavis01]

@@robotnik77 "but you had the deciding vote? " uh..... yeah..... that's been the exact story literally from the very beginning. Do you need to go review Genesis chapter 3? "Talk about pride." Ah yes indeed, let's talk about it. Pride is claiming "look at me! I'm sooooo special that God chose me but not you! God loves me but not your sorry ass! Me me me me me me me" Here's a simple analogy. If the government selects you to receive groceries for life but not your neighbor, that's something to brag about. If you decide on your own will to go on foodstamps because you realize how broke you are, that is not something to brag about and is actually very humbling. Neither situation involves you working for your food and both scenarios involve a gift given freely to you. But the former makes you think you're somehow better than everybody else while the latter is humbling and makes you realize that you're not better than anyone. Calvinists are full of cognitive dissonance.

[@verdevalley1966]

CHRIST CHOSE US BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED-EPHESIANS 1:4

[@SpotterVideo]

And if you continue and read Ephesians 1:13 you will see that regeneration does not precede faith, as many Calvinists claim. What has come to be known as "Calvinism" came out of Augustine's effort to explain how infants could become the "elect" through water baptism. Since the child had not come to faith, it must be based on the will of another. It could have nothing to do with the will of the child. This genesis of the doctrine is confirmed by Dr. Ken Wilson's research on all of the writings of Augustine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJ-yfoKIfLJlh9k .

[@aidahjohannapillay1599]

AN ABSOLUTE BLESSING TO ALL , THAT GOD HAS GIVEN UNDERSTANDING TO RECEIVE. I AM IN AWE OF OUR LOVING GOD, SAVIOUR AND COMFORTER....❤ THANK YOU...

[@built4speed101]

Psalm 34:8 KJV O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

[@rachray83]

Excellent series.

[@cg9049]

For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

[@hearhisvoice4155]

All these Calvin haters have one thing in common, they are wrought with the pride of life that comes from the world. They want to take part in salvation that only comes from God because they cannot stand the idea of being completely at the mercy of a Holy and Righteous God. Keep on reforming. Soli Deo Gloria

[@bobfree1226]

IF scripture is True an GOD so loved US -why would he destroy all of mankind and send the large majority to HELL forever. Is that LOVE. Jesus had SO much compassion on even the wretched of all people,blind,dumb,crippled.helped all Romans,Samaritans,all walks of LIFE. An calvanists are telling me he elects Some and dams the Rest forever even before they were Born. How in the world was I even tempted by this total nonsense. Human kind made in HIS Image,His creation of mankind was Very Good, bible says we are the Jewel of His Creation. Calvanism is wrong at its Core!!

[@oracleoftroy]

@@bobfree1226 Are you talking about the flood?

[@bobfree1226]

Flood,no.im talking about 5pt calvanists and Limited Atonement -the L in Tulip the calvanists code so to speak. 5 pt or high calvanists believe GOD only died for a portion of elect people,which even the earliest reformers Rejected!!

[@Sting79]

@@bobfree1226 God is defined by many things. If you focus on love alone, you will downplay His holiness and justice and maybe even say it's unjust to send sinners to hell. Grace and mercy are not deserved, correct? Then God controls how He will pour it out. He could have simply sent us all to hell, but He chose to do otherwise for many, but not all.

[@bobfree1226]

@@Sting79 i didnt necessarily,focus on Love,but thats the bottom line.GOD can do anything HE please,but why create so many for destruction, including women and children whom had no other possible way out of a situation which was stacked against them! And not only that He decreed it all to happen that way,so that as calvanists say its ALL for His Glory!! Calvin and Augustine rejected it and Calvin called it Terrible and Dreadful! So God is glorified in the major majority of thier dammnation which again was HIS intention,an all of this is explained in a causal Web called Calvanism. CS LEWIS said Gods white might be our black,an this would make God worse than Satan !! Almost ALL erly reformers rejected and wrote against the L in tulip.ALL of this Stems from the T in total depavity,where man cannot in any way please GOD,in fact all people hate GOD,Depite numerous biblical passages that call for MEN everywhere to REPENT.jesus himself pleads with many including Pharsees to turn and many do!! Paul says GOD is available to all an is not far from any one of US. Jesus Light john1 verses 4-9 states that its in ALL men. Jesus tells Nicodemus that the Son of man must be raised up just as the Bronze snake was raised on a pole in moses time,so to expunge mans sin ,if they look upon and Trust,Jesus continues an says i will draw ALL men unto myself. once Total Depravity is undone ,calvanism falls like a ton of bricks. im a non-calvanist an ive NEVER hated GOD but ive sinned all m y life practically,but i trusted in GOD almost all my life.AS the jailer asked Paul what must I Do to recieve eternal life. BELIEVE Paul said. GOD does NOT delite in the wicked but wishes all to turn and repent an is long suffering towards mankind ,so that many will repent!! GODS Light is in ALL MEN .but many will not respond. GOD gives grace to all People-made in HIS IMAGE!!

[@frankc-k3q]

I watched it years ago and just watched it again in 2022.

[@Amenistry]

Thx for posting this! Love the Martin Luther clip (1953). Soli deo gloria!

[@Slippin22]

Perfectly clear Doesn't get much clearer than that. 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of Gods holy people,

[@CallingGodsElect]

Unfortunately, this teaching is called “Calvinism,” when in fact it’s simply what The Bible teaches, it’s biblical Christianity. John Calvin was a brother in the LORD JESUS CHRIST who was led to follow what The Bible taught. By naming it “Calvinism” many think this theology is something that started with John Calvin after the reformation but it really started with JESUS CHRIST when GOD wrote our names in the Lambs Book of Life before He laid the foundations of the world.

[@Taiwan1997]

We are going through this series again....need a notebook...best documentary I have seen....any bothers here who are looking for a facebook friend...request me and I will confirm you....Blaine Seman

[@SimonWartanian]

Soli Deo Gloria!

[@CBALLEN]

The reformed belief is that Jesus accomplished salvation for all of His elect,by His sacrifice,the Arminian belief basically teaches that Jesus merely created a TOOL,BY His SACRIFICE, a tool that any man can use to save himself if he feels like it. God only owes us,death and Hell,we cannot CAUSE HIM to owe us Heaven by anything we can do. I have heard many Arminians say,"In Calvinism,you have many people wanting to come to Jesus but God is pulling those people out of line because they aren't ELECT".This is so wrong because NONE WOULD COME TO CHRIST,NOT EVEN GOD'S ELECT. If not for God taking out one's heart of stone and replacing it with a heart of flesh FIRST,NONE WOULD EVER BELIEVE..

[@Tiananmen8964]

Arminius himself: ‘In this [fallen] state, the free will of man towards the true good is not only wounded, infirm, bent, and weakened; but it is also imprisoned, destroyed, and lost. And its powers are not only debilitated and useless unless they be assisted by grace, but it has no powers whatever except such as are excited by Divine grace.’ Finally I have understood: Why do heathen nations rage? Why do peoples plot in vain? Kings and rulers join to wage war against God's royal reign. Speaking out against the LORD, his Anointed they defy: 'Let us break apart their cords, cast away their chains,' they cry. Ekklesia and eklégō do indeed share the same ek 'out.' They also share it with words ranging from to laugh to to be thrown out.

[@champd12z]

Pastor Bowie said it best to me (22:50) - there are 3 figures used to designate the new life in Christ: BIRTH, CREATION & RESURRECTION. He goes on to state that in all 3, we are passive and can do nothing to contribute to them. Basically, we cannot birth ourselves, we cannot create ourselves and we cannot not resurrect ourselves from the dead. Not even a 4 Point Christmas Calvinist (NO-L; NO-L) can or dispute this :)

[@ryanjoelgo6812]

I am not a calvinist, but the scriptures tell us so.

[@ryanjoelgo6812]

If we would always question even the scriptures which are inspired by the Holy Spirit, then that is relativism.

[@Jesusway2heaven]

Firstly, I am neither an armenian or a calvinist, I am a biblicist. Calvin was a murderer who believed in infant baptism, Arminius and Pelagius were heretics who didn't believe in original sin and taught that we can lose our salvation. Augustine was a gnostic who was with a woman for 13 years without being married with her, yet calvinists and Armenians follow teachings of these devlish men? Calvinism is pure pride and arrogance. PHD's mean absolutely nothing as GOD brings to nought the wisdom of this world and men who teach as doctrines, the commandments of men. At 45 minutes and 51 seconds the guy says that we are to blame if we end up in hell. How the heck are we to blame if GOD predestined us to hell and if we don't have a choice in the matter? How foolish a suggestion this is from a supposed educated man. Abraham says, shall not the judge of the earth do right? Calvinism poses questions about the character and nature of GOD which scripture itself does not pose when read in context. At 1Hour15 mins 2Peter2vs1 Peter talks about false prophets denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. The calvinists say the word LORD(Greek - despotes) here isn't talking about Jesus and HIS redemptive work on the cross.The word despotes is also used in other scriptures such as: Luke2v29,acts4v24,1Tim6v1-2,2tim2v21,titus2vs9,1Peter2vs18,2Peter2vs1,Jude1-4,rev6v10. It means Absolute ruler,LORD and master. It refers in most cases to GOD the Father. Did not GOD the Father purchase us all with the downpayment of HIS SON?Mark_14:36 And JESUS said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.John_3:16 For God so loved the world, that HE GAVE HIS only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And the bible doesn't teach that GOD predestines us to condemnation. Show me just 1 verse which says that HE does.To the contrary, the bible teaches that we are predestined to the adoption of sonship. In other words, If we are in Christ, all current and future blessings associated with that are ours. In otherwords everyone who believes on the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST would be blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places, belonging ONLY and exclusively to believers. For example if a prince is born to a king, he has immediate access into the palace and to all its amenities. Others don't have this access. Why do calvinists omit the words 'In Christ' when they site scripture. Ephesians_3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.Hebrews_10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, Romans_3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. So election and predestination is not talking about salvation, its talking about what we enter into when we trust in Christ, POST(AFTER) SALVATION. Any other view is not consistent with scripture. I checked my strongs Hebrew and Greek dictionary and bought (Greek: agorazo) means to go to the marketplace,purchase,BUY. Yet the calvinists say buy doesn't mean buy. To create something means you are in control of it and own it, it doesn't mean you need to purchase or buy it. Yet in 2Peter2vs1 it says they denied the LORD that bought them. Calvinism complicates simple truths of scripture. GOD is not the author of confusion here, Calvin is,Augustine is, Pelagius is,Arminius is. Lets get back to bible basics brethren and stop relying on seminaries and bible colleges and universities. Humble yourselves in the sight of GOD and in due time HE will lift you up.

[@oracleoftroy]

I assume you've cut out at least the first five books, most of the Psalms and Proverbs, all of Paul, and probably much of the rest of the Bible to be consistent with your premise, right? You wouldn't want to learn from murderers and adulterers like Moses, David, and Paul, right? Heck, everyone who wrote a book of the Bible was a sinner, so toss the whole thing out, right?

[@Sting79]

Calvinism is Pauline truth. Using human failures to try to undercut biblical truth only proves you cannot argue against Paul's doctrine with scripture, but by distraction.

[@jonathankotyk3075]

I was predestined to watch this documentary.

[@sirius238]

It is NOT Matthew 20:28 but Matthew 22:14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen. (NIV) ” This should be corrected in the video as it is a crucial verse.

[@richardhislop9928]

2 Pet 2:1 " Even denying the Lord who bought them" .. ( Deuteronomy 32:6 ) is where this phrase is taken from, and referred to : "Do ye thus requite the Lord, O foolish people and unwise! is not He thy Father that hath bought thee? hath He not made thee, and established thee?" ... Moses is chiding, calling them fools, (" the fool hath said in his heart that there is no God : David also referring to this moment in Jewish history ) and reminding the Jewish people to never forget or deny this "Lord", that paid their ransom out of Egypt..... And since Peter was sent to minister specifically to Jews, he is warning them that the same type of false prophet that existed then, exists now, in their day ; and would even repeat the same "slumber of mind belief" that they themselves were never purchased "bought" (by the passover event) in the past ; thus, being a blasphemy that distances themselves from God, the (Despoten) Father / Master / Ruler... Very Very Damnable!! ... Because that first event was the typifying of the Lord to follow, Christ our Lord, the passover lamb for the Elect... What is typical in Arminian eisegetic interpretation of any scripture, is the trigger factor ; the "ah ha, see, it says they denied the Lord that bought them, so it must be referring to Jesus, because that's the only Lord who bought them cliche that I know of." "Jesus paid the price for all, didn't He?" Get off that simplicity and do your research.. The Elect are bought and sealed by the sacrifice of Christ.. The false prophets were never bought and sealed in this way... (1 John 2:19) " For they went our from us, but they were not of us ; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us ; but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not of us." ... "Clear as day, the distinction between the Elect, and non elect false prophets."

[@MrMickey2000]

This is my understanding, but judge whether or not I misunderstand, " If you are a Christian you CANNOT separate Jesus Christ's being the Savior Who saves you from His Lordship for Jesus Christ is Savior and Lord or you my friend you remain in your sins. If you truly worship God, cease worrying about your free will in regards to God's Sovereignty. Your free will is nothing but the means by which you choose sin and more sin - and thereby reject God in the pride of your heart. Free will in spiritual salvation is nonexistent, if it, for you, exists look out for hell itself gaps open its mouth to freely receive you."

[@Kosmiceggburst]

When John Calvin's soul went to be with the Lord, it was irresistible because John Calvin was the Father's gift to the Son.

[@yourlastchance_]

+Kosmiceggburst We are not even sure if Calvin was saved because in his tomes of writing we never have a word that he believed in Christ for his salvation. He did however trust in his infant baptism. Which means he was not saved. He never ceased to be Catholic.

[@TheBereanVoice]

Though I am a soteriological monergist, this video raises some serious concerns for me. It may be convincing to some that the Scriptures speak of Jesus dying for "many" instead of "all", but the problem is that Rom. 5:19 tells us that "many" were condemned because of Adam's transgression. What monergist would be willing to argue that the imputation of Adam's sin did not extend to the entire race because Paul used the word "many" and not "all?" In reality, "the one" and "the many" language is simply employed to indicate the representative character of the actions of these two men. It was the one acting for "the many" they represented. We must always resist the temptation to fall into the error of the soteriological synergists by citing proof-texts out of context. There are many sound exegetical arguments that demonstrate the particular design of Jesus' redeeming work. We don't need to resort to unsound biblical exegesis to demonstrate that point. The point to be made in speaking about "the one" and "the many" is that Jesus' obedience as the representative head of all his people secured and guaranteed their justification and glorification just as Adam's representative act of disobedience guarantees the condemnation of all who continue to be united to him as their representative head.

[@vincentsilva2650]

At 27:28 of this video, it should be Romans 11:7 (instead of 11:17) God bless.

[@ryanjoelgo6812]

Let us all read John 10, and see what Jesus has to say.

[@TheBereanVoice]

I am confused. The following is taken from Schaff's "Creeds of Christendom" and is supposedly a statement from the Remonstrance: THIRD ARTICLE. Saving Faith.-Man in his fallen state is unable to accomplish any thing really and truly good, and therefore also unable to attain to saving faith, unless he be regenerated and renewed by God in Christ through the Holy Spirit (John xv. 5). FOURTH ARTICLE. Resistible Grace.-Grace is the beginning, continuation, and end of our spiritual life, so that man can neither think nor do any good or resist sin without prevening, co-operating, and assisting grace. But as for the manner of co-operation, this grace is not irresistible, for many resist the Holy Ghost (Acts vii.). FIrst of all, I am confused by the statement itself. Article 3 seems to affirm the sinner's inability to believe unless he is regenerated, but Arcicle 4 then speaks of resistible preventing, cooperating and assisting grace. To me that seems like a complete contradiction. The second point of confusion is that you are saying here that the Arminians denied total depravity, but article three states, "Man in his fallen state is unable to accomplish any thing really and truly good. . ." Was it during the course of the Synod that they went further off the rails? It seems that modern Arminians deny the charge that they reject total depravity and inability and suggest that the point of contention is not whether sinner are unable to save themselves or make themselves savable apart from grace but whether the grace needed to bring about the necessary change is resistible or not. Though their conclusions seem completely illogical, that is what their original statement seems to suggest they believed.

[@jcr4runner]

The writer of this script unfortunately used a caricature of Arminianism and their Five Points of Remonstrance, rather than what it literally says. This is also one of my criticisms of the video, the script writer's mistakes were not all corrected. Thanks for your comment.

[@markdaniels1730]

If the references to "all" when it contradicts the Calvinist position can be dismissed as mere hyperbole, why can't it also be seen as hyperbole when it supposedly supports Calvinism? Why don't Calvinists interpret "all have sinned" or "there is no one righteous" as just a hyperbole?

[@markdaniels1730]

***** Ok, then, let's take a look at Romans 5:18: Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in _condemnation for all people_, so also one righteous act resulted in _justification _*_and life_*_ for all people_. Here the context is clear, if the first "all people" is every single individual, how can the second "all people" who are the ones who receive justification *and life* not also be "every single individual". It's the same terminology being used in the same context, in the same verse.

[@markdaniels1730]

***** *I won't start a comments battle* It doesn't need to be a battle, but if you do not wish to respond that is your right, obviously. *...if you take it this way, if the result is justification, for absolutely everyone, then everyone is in heaven and hell is empty Since we know this is not the case, you should revise your exegesis.* Speak for yourself, I do not know that this is not the case. I am a hopeful universalist, that is a hope that is permissible according to Catholic doctrine, since we affirm the universal salvific will of God. We reject dogmatic universalism as it negates free will, but we are allowed to remain agnostic about the fate of any given individual or even mankind as a whole. *But in fact, if you look at verse 17, "how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"* Sorry, verse 17 does not limit the scope of who receives grace, it is simply talking about what happens to those who do. Who those are is talked about in verse 18, and it clearly says that the "all" who receive justification are the same "all" who initially received condemnation. *It is justification for all those who receive God's provision of grace.* Exactly, justification for all those who receive it, but that statement does not limit the scope of "those who" at all. It could be a only a few, it could many, it could the majority of mankind or it could be all mankind. No such qualification is found in this verse, but in verse 18 it is made clear who those are.

[@de629]

Well for starters the Bible says Christ was without sin, do you believe there were others?

[@markdaniels1730]

Richard Moore I believe Christ was the only one who was perfectly without sin 100%. But I do believe there were many, such as Noah who were righteous. (Genesis 6:9)

[@markdaniels1730]

teemu1381 As for Isaiah 64:6, that is not meant to apply to every single human being if you read it in context. If you isolate it from it's context, sure, it seems to support your point. But the prophet was talking about the nation of Israel at that specific point in time, not every single human being who ever lived. As for 1 St. John 8-10, I never denied that all humans beings sin. Even righteous people sin. The problem is your evangelical presupposition that having any sin at all disqualifies one from being considered righteous. 1 St. Peter 4:8 says that Love covers a multitude of sin, those who live in and act with love for God and their fellow man are righteous, even if they do sin. Elsewhere in the Bible (Psalms, for example) the righteous are always being contrasted with the wicked, how can this be possible if righteous people do not exist? In fact, just read the preceding verse in Isaiah 64 "You come to the help of _those who gladly do right_, who remember your ways. But when we continued to sin against them, you were angry. How then can we be saved?" The prophet is acknowledging a bygone day when there actually were those who "gladly did right" and earned God's help, although he laments that in his day that was no longer the case.

[@1hiress]

How did following Christ become so tedious confusing?

[@israel_abebe]

Heyy @jcr4runner, please enable accurate closed captioning.i need a subtitle

[@Ucfilms]

1:09:38 is actually Matthew 22:14

[@maxmateush7090]

Can I find this video in Spanish?

[@hearhisvoice4155]

A god at the mercy of his creation is a weak god that doesn't exist. If God left us to our own, we would all gleefully walk right into hell.

[@bobfree1226]

IF scripture is True an GOD so loved US -why would he destroy all of mankind and send the large majority to HELL forever. Is that LOVE. Jesus had SO much compassion on even the wretched of all people,blind,dumb,crippled.helped all Romans,Samaritans,all walks of LIFE. An calvanists are telling me he elects Some and dams the Rest forever even before they were Born. How in the world was I even tempted by this total nonsense. Human kind made in HIS Image,His creation of mankind was Very Good, bible says we are the Jewel of His Creation. Calvanism is wrong at its Core!!

[@gina.siganoff]

Bob Free Agreed ! In the end they both made rules but don’t actually believe them lol. example they think they are better than the other if you believe you believe. They claim grace , but on the terms of converting to Calvinist or you are not Saved by God . What does it matter if someone wants to try to stop sining why stop them and convince them that they can’t, there’s no point, just live how you want, don’t worry about anything you do today because you are covered with the blood of the lamb. Well what if they were trying to stop drugs, murdering , robbing, but heard this and said well this is what God wants for me so I might as well do it because even if I did stop it wouldn’t matter. Not a sound doctrine! Denominations are built from radicalizing a few scriptures . That’s why there are so many. Just read the Bible for yourself and that’s it if everyone gave there opinions we would have 200 billion more denominations 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@KennyBare]

I'm a Lutheran so understand that I'm not coming from an Arminian perspective. "All" means "all". "Is means is". To say otherwise is what we call "Bill Clinton theology". You can't just change the meaning of the word to suit your theology. That's bringing human traditions to the text. When peter says that Jesus desires "all" to come to a knowledge of the truth, he means that he wants ALL to come to the truth. Otherwise, God would be deceptive. God must be deceptive according to post-Calvin Calvinism (as Calvin believed in God's universal salvific Will). God must be very deceptive. So deceptive that no one in the church up to the 16th century believed in limited atonement.

[@oracleoftroy]

Absolutely! And world means world! When Caesar Augustus issued a decree in Luke 2 to the world, that included the Eskimos and the Australian aborigines and the rest of the world, not just some poor excuse that makes God deceptive like "it was just the Roman world." And in John 12 when the religious leaders said that the world has gone after Jesus, again, world means world, so those Teotihuacan and the Han Chinese where also coming to Jesus. Wouldn't want to make God a liar by not having an overly wooden reading of the text and allowing for the same sort of hyperbole we use and understand today, right? God wouldn't use idioms, right? All means all, but that is just a tautology. All refers to a context. All of X. The problem with the 'all means all' crowd is that they ignore what the Bible teaches about the 'all' that is in context to twist the Bible's message. When Paul (not Peter) in 1 Tim 2 says "[God] desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" in verse 4, he couldn't possibly still be using the same clarification of 'all' he made in the same paragraph just two verses earlier, right? "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for *all* people, [and he clarifies 'all' as] _for kings and all who are in high positions,_ that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way." We see that 'all people' in context was being used to represent people of all statuses, or all kinds of people, and not every single individual who ever existed and will ever exist. When Peter in 2 Peter 3 tells his audience in verse 9 that God "is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance," should we ignore who 'you' is and assume 'all' isn't referring to 'all of you'? That wouldn't match the flow of the text. Verse 8 shows that 'you' is the Lord's Beloved, and Peter spent the beginning of the chapter contrasting the 'beloved' with the 'scoffers' and 'ungodly' for whom it is said, "But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly." Those that assert that 'all' must mean everyone ever make nonsense of the first 8 verses in that chapter. This is the problem with forming our theology by looking at single verses isolated from their context. You lose all sense of the flow of the text and the meaning behind the words, and end up in quite errant teaching. Frankly, I'm surprised to see this from a Lutheran, I thought they understood these issues better than most.

[@Sting79]

Incorrect, context determines meaning. All is used many times in scripture to define a group of people.

[@ehzcolorado6593]

I am not an Armenian in my theological beliefs. I believe 100% that all of mankind were dead in our sins and that only God can resurrect us. But It seems that Calvinists forget or willfully ignore that Jesus Christ was a man, the last Adam, and that our justification from Original sin came and comes not at my hearing of tge Gospel when God first calls me, but at tge Cross, at tge death and resurrection of Christ, the man, who while we were still sinners justified ALL men, that is to say ALL of mankind from tge original sin of the first Adam. Thereby, through what Christ did of His own free will at the Cross He made each sinned walking about dead in their sins innocent of the sins of Adam and thereby able to exercise his or her free will to receive or reject the calling of God. This is why the Apostle says, 'As in Adam all died, in Christ all are made alive.' Note that the word alive here in this text of 1 Corinthians 15:22 is Strong's G2227 and though often translated as "will be made" alive, it in fact means made alive as in past or present tense, which is in with what Paul says happens at tge Cross in Romans 5while we were still sinners not just some men but ALL are justified by Christ's righteous act, -refer to verse 18 of that chapter. Thus, based on tge truth of what is taught by tge Apostles and tge foundation laid down by Christ Himself humanity is brought to life in the eyes of God, though still sinners, at the Cross because they are declared innocent of original sin, of Adam's sin. Now, we can recognize the truth for what it is of our own free will, as Paul discusses in Romans 10:8-15, which was given back to us by Jesus' ransom and Propitiatory sacrifice at the cross. It is as Paul insinuates in 1 Timothy 4:10 when he writes "For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.". And as John states in 1 John 2:2 when he states "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the WHOLE world." If God through Christ had not given us the Grace to excercise our free will by declaring ALL of Adam's children innocent of Original Sin at the Cross and thus frustrated in captivity to sin (refer to Romans 8:20-21) only Christ could Glorify God because He was tge only innocent like Adam had been to reject tge Devil's invitation to rebellion, which Adam accepted (by tge way Adam did not fall he jumped). But now through the propitiation of ALL of the offspring of Adam at once on the Cross we also can declare tge Devil a liar and glorify God by our willful act of believing in tge Gospel, which convicts us if in fact we have not hardened our hearts beyond redemption and there by repent of our own sins, not Adam's, and be Baptized in Jesus Christ and be born again in Holy Spirit. Now none of this takes any glory from God, but it also ascribes no evil to God, which Calvinist predestination ultimately is faced with at some point having to do since without our free will, which is what makes us God like, then we are merely puppets in a very twisted game that a very sinister God that must have created both evil and good has played on His creation. Yet we know for a fact that God is completely innocent of tge Devil's slanders and that in having created us as a species completely free He did not also create any reason, motive, or incentive, or temptation for sin or evil. All evil is and was created and originated with the Devil as Jesus Himself reveals in John 8. That is my perspective. Our Free Will in tge Universal challenge of Sovereignty postulated by tge Devil is a requirement for the complete Glory of God and our salvation is all God's doing because His grace is complete. God predestined our species and specifically He predestined all of those that lived and died in the age of Christ to be free by His Grace so as to destroy the works of tge Devil by our Faith in Jesus Christ. Now, because we are now free as Adam was, though not without sin as of yet, in a literal sense, we are able to be convicted by the Holy Spirit and if by the end of our lives we have heard the Gospel and have rejected when we are resurrected as we all will be before God's judgment throne or mercy seat we will die a second death. But if we have received the Gospel and been transformed by tge Holy Spirit then we will pass from death to eternal life without being judged. So neither Armenians or Calvinists are correct in the Gospel I received from God through Christ in the Holy Spirit by means of a preacher of His word and which He, the Lord, has gone on to instruct me as I have applied myself and as He has seen fit to do so. What is more this is exactly as prophecy said it would be in Daniel 11-12 and other places. The Acceptable and Favorable year of the Lord is almost over and God's day of vengeance is at hand and judgment begins with the house of God. So be Holy and be doing His will which is the making of disciples, remaining free from the love of and adultery with tge world, and the taking care of true widows, orphans, and sick, and poor. Hopefully we have not believed in vain. For everyone that calls on the name of the Jesus having believed in their hearts that He is Lord and declared with their mouth that God raised Him from the dead will be saved on that day. Including all of tge Calvinists and Armenians that have been biting each other for centuries. Ha!

[@enockkariuki5768]

Soli Deo Gloria

[@firstjohnonenine8786]

Wow!

[@pipinfresh]

But I love rock music...

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

is there a way to just post the cemetery scene?

[@bobfree1226]

if the mind is affected mr kennedy why should I believe what u say or anyone what they say. I never hated GOD .so what am i.lol

[@Sting79]

Scripture says we all do prior to salvation.

[@2timothy23]

@@Sting79 Yes, Jesus actually said it in John 15:18-23. He said the world (indicating the unsaved world as opposed to believers) will hate Christians, Christ, and God the Father. In fact, Jesus said they would hate His disciples because they hated Him before they hated them. And in verse 23, He says if they hate Him, they hate God the Father.

[@ramyfili1434]

1:36:10 "that--" lol that's enough, Karen

[@theTavis01]

The story of doubting Thomas is a complete contradiction of Calvinism and youe abuse of the "born again" verse claiming that seeing the kingdom of God is somehow not talking about going to heaven but rather refers to seeing the spiritual truth of Jesus in the present. Calvinists will say that everyone is exactly like Thomas, that they must see before they can believe. And yet Thomas was the only one who required such proof and Jesus ends by saying "“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are they who have *_NOT_* seen, *_YET BELIEVED"_*

[@oracleoftroy]

Where do Calvinists say what you claim they say? I'm not sure where what they confess actually contains a contradiction, and too many anti-Calvinists are more than willing to completely make things up and refuse to back up claims with evidence in their hatred for Reformed Theology.

[@theTavis01]

@@oracleoftroy "Where do Calvinists say what you claim they say?" Um.....in this documentary, did you even watch it before responding to my comments?

[@oracleoftroy]

@@theTavis01 And where exactly is the statement "everyone is like Thomas, that they must see before they can believe" in this documentary? At best I can imagine that you are equating Thomas physically looking with his physical eyes and physically touching with his physical hands to God opening our eyes to see and ears to hear spiritual matters, but I think most people would recognize the difference between those situations. I've never heard a Calvinist say we need to be able to physically see Jesus like Thomas did in order to be born again.

[@theTavis01]

@@oracleoftroy "I've never heard a Calvinist say we need to be able to physically see " Did you not watch this documentary? They spent quite some time on the verse that says we must be born again to SEE the kingdom of God. Any reasonable person would read this as we need to be spiritually born to get into heaven, but Calvinists have twisted it into some sort of gnostic revelation in the present that is allegedly required BEFORE someone can even be capable of repenting and believing in Jesus - in other words Calvinists claim (indirectly but unavoidably) that we must all be like Thomas and receive direct revelatory confirmation, which of course undermines the very notion of faith. Calvinism is totally unbiblical.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@theTavis01 It sounds like you don't have evidence of this as you can't even give me a timestamp. And by your accusation of Gnosticism, I can tell you don't have any serious arguments.

[@whereisyourfaith1454]

So does it follow that one can be saved without knowing it?

[@2timothy23]

Where is Your Faith?-actually we can know that we're saved. We know because we know it is all a work of God and not ourselves (Ephesians 2:8-9). We know because we're new creatures and our old ways are not desirable because we've been changed (2 Corinthians 5:17). We know because we seek after the things of God; the things He loves, we love; the things He hates, we hate. We love His Word (Psalm 119). We love to pray (Ephesians 6:18, 1 Thessalonians 5:17). We love Him over the things of the world (James 4:4, 1 John 2:15-17). And we have a new heart/desires where we grow in our relationship with God. And it is not perfect, but consistent. We seek after holiness (1 Peter 1:13-16), but we know the flesh and the Spirit battles constantly (Galatians 5:16-26). And when we do sin as Christians, God gives us the ability to repent of those sins, confessing them for forgiveness and cleansing (1 John 1:9). If we profess to know the Lord and there is no change of heart, no change of our minds, no change of our desires, no change of our speech, and no change of our actions in an on-going fashion, then we need to examine ourselves. Again, this isn't talking about perfection, because we're not glorified yet. But we are sanctified by the truth of God's Word (John 17:17) and being conformed into the image of Christ (Romans 8:29), which is why we renew our minds and present ourselves as living sacrifices unto God (Romans 12:1-2). We should have a consistent, progressive walk with God every day because we love Him and His commandments (1 John 5:2-3). The sad part is that many professed Christians say they've been saved for years and act no different than the day they made their "decision." You don't work to be saved, but when you are saved, works should follow because we are His workmanship (Ephesians 2:10) and faith without works is dead (James 2:18-26).

[@bobfree1226]

im not a Arminian or Calvanist, just a Christian, an in fact calvanism I find very problematic espeacially ith double predestination. calvin called it Terrible and Dreadfull. now who would want to agree with HIM!!

[@oracleoftroy]

Well, equal ultimacy isn't really the Calvinist position and it only seems to make sense if you assume humans are neutral before God comes around and decides to sort them into saved and damned categories. Calvinists believe that all humans are sinners and deserving of judgement and hell, so God ignoring and passing over one, and God knowing and setting his love on another unto salvation are very different. The first earns their wages for their sin in judgement and hell, the latter receives grace and mercy fully undeserved and has Christ's righteousness imputed to them and their wickedness imputed to Christ on the cross.

[@PlanetRockJesus]

Arminianism is wrong as well. The only true view is the open view of God.

[@FundamentalistChristian]

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for IN THE DAY that thou eatest thereof thou shalt SURELY DIE.

[@mariafrantz7083]

This is so interesting to me. I did not grow up on either side of the fence. I learned that you read your Bible and believe what it says. I have recently been studying Calvinism. I have heard on multiple occasions that if you do not believe in limited atonement/ unconditional election then you have pride in yourself and consider your salvation partially your own doing. I have never personally thought this and I honestly do not know anyone who does. I just don't see how recognizing that your are in bondage gives you any merit. If a slave owner decides to free a slave we do not credit the slave for his freedom just because he was aware that he was a slave. Perhaps someone could explain to me how man gets any credit in recognizing that he needs Christ? I personally have never seen recognition of the need for a savior as a point of pride for the person who turns, but the refusal to submit to God via free will choice further sin for which man is justly damned.

[@dsquared1956]

Thank you, for explaining your point of view... I realize this medium limits the scope of a presentation - But it sure would be nice if just once people would avoid the ploy of setting up a straw man..... This is not an either or issue.....

[@seekrighteousness297]

Some of this is right we need to study the history of all sides of our faith. But both sides of each argument has correct things according to scripture and false things. You are trying to do the same thing politicians due its either this way or that way there is no middle ground. God gave people free will to chose Him. Yes its all predestined.not because we lost our free will but because God made His rules and was able to look in to the future to see who would do what and navigated and made His plans accordingly. To make sure His plan always be the final out come. He did not take our free will and just start making one day a person that would go to heaven and the next make one to go to Hell. He made a person and in the instance of giving it life new every decision that person would make. When God decided to make humanity, in that instance He new every decision each person would make. God is Justice He is not going to say that He is free will but you don't get to make any decisions. We need to take the right of each teaching according to The Bible and get rid of the rest. You have to have true repentance to be saved if you don't choose to follow the commandments then how can you have true repentance and be saved by Gods Grace. Yes only God can save through His giving to us Jesus to die for our sins. But if you go to the full Calvinist doctrine your belief then you are saying you can do what ever you want and breaking any commandment and God saves you through grace you don't have to ask God does it automatically after you are saved and start believing in God and that Jesus died for your sins.That is not what the bible says. No doctrine made by humans is going to be totally correct that is why God gave us the scriptures to base all teachings against to make sure we have a truth to base all things off of.If it follows the bible Keep it if it does not follow the bible get rid of it period. So no matter whether its Catholic, Calvinist, Armenian, or any other Christian doctrine we must study the history of our faith bring it to the Bible and follow all that follows the full and entire Bible anything that does not follow the Bible goes in the what not to follow file. There is good and bad in all of the teachings there is no such thing as my way or your way there is only God's Way. All humans make mistakes and are constantly growing in the Faith and walk with God. I also believe that God leaves that little bit of wrongness in human teachings and does not give one person or council of persons all the answers so people remember He is the only one with all the answers. I hope this helps everyone please Pray to The Lord talk with Him on this before you totally listen and follow any doctrine to its fullness if you study all of the doctrines of the different human teachings some of it will be correct and some wont but not all of any human creation in one hundred percent correct that's why God Gave A Standard for all things of faith and practices according to Him. IF IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THE BIBLE THROW IT AWAY. BUT THE PARTS THAT FOLLOW THE BIBLE KEEP IT.

[@dangodaikazoku262]

I honestly don't know why in many videos / books where Reformed theologians discuss Arminianism, they don't distinguish between different types of Arminianism. They usually respond to the Weslyan type of Arminianism, but not the classical type of Arminianism based on Arminius' writings. For instance, this documentary quoted a statement from Free Will Baptists but not from the Remonstrants or Arminius themselves??? Why??? As far as I know, classical Arminian teaching believe in Total Depravity and not free will. That's why God has to give previeniant grace in order to empower people to respond. Prevenient Grace according to them can be resisted. Also, some Arminians teach corporate election, not the foreseeing type of election. That wasn't mentioned either. Also, Arminius was undecided about the Perseverance of the Saints point. Don't get me wrong, I'm leaning more towards Reformed theology, but it seriously knocks the credibility of these types of presentation when they don't represent Classical Arminian theology properly ☹️ you guys should check out the website of Society of Evangelical Arminians for what Arminians really believe, they include primary sources as well

[@wtom04]

John Calvin did not get his version of "predestination/election" from the Bible, but he borrowed it from his idol, Augustine. His version of it is identical to Augustine's perversion of it. 1) ....."salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion - Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5. 2) "We call predestination God's eternal decree, by which he compacted with himself what he willed to become of each man. For all are not created in equal condition; rather, ETERNAL LIFE IS FORE-ORDAINED FOR SOME, ETERNAL DAMNATION FOR OTHERS." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion - Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5. 3) ..."we say that God once established by his eternal and unchangeable plan those whom he long before determined once for all to receive into SALVATION, and those whom, on the other hand, he would devote to DESTRUCTION...he has barred the door of life to those whom he has given over to damnation." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "That owing to one man all pass into condemnation who are born of Adam unless they are born again in Christ, even as He has appointed them to be regenerated, before they die in the body, whom He PREDESTINATED TO EVERLASTING LIFE, as the most merciful bestower of grace; while to those whom He HAS PREDESTINATED TO ETERNAL DEATH, He is also the most righteous awarder of punishment not only on account of the sins which they add in the indulgence of their own will, but also because of their original sin, even if, as in the case of infants, they add nothing thereto. Now this is my definite view on that question, so that the hidden things of God may keep their secret, without impairing my own faith." - Augustine, City of God, On the Soul and its Origin, 4.16. It appears that Calvin's definition and Augustine's definition of "predestination/election" is identical to Islam's belief in FATALISM and also identical to Stoicism's belief in DETERMINISM. Satan has packaged the same thing under different names - "Predestination/Election", "Foreordination", "Fatalism", and "Determinism."

[@DragonSlayer23X]

He uses the analogy of beggars walking down the street and says that God chooses who'm He wants to help and they have no claims upon God's grace.In other words they are no more worthy of being elected then the ones who God did choose but then he goes on to say that election doesn't put anyone in hell and those in hell have no one to blame but themselves.

[@donnybowers7832]

I see both Arminianism and Calvinism to contain serious error. But, to be fair, from what I've seen is that those Churches that emphasize personal responsibility and even legalism (also great error) are usually more conservative, less libertine and less apt to find error in the scriptures or to accept the perversions of the world. I'm not endorsing these Churches, just pointing out something that I've observed in following the practices of various denominations. It seems that there may more cult-like Churches (mostly seeped in legalism) among Arminians, but I see less liberalism and more conservatism among most of them. A few do go off into Universalism and the like, and many of those do tend more toward liberalism politically, but not most still tend toward social conservatism. The Church of England (which is Calvinist) now ordains homosexual pastors. Most of the Baptist conventions have also moved toward liberalism in recent decades. Another problem with the Calvinistic Churches is that they have a history of church-states. The Church is not called to create theocratic governments. We are called to spread the good news of reconciliation to Christ.

[@bibleman7757]

why in tis film they call arminian brothers when they are not at all

[@onlyhis5870]

8:14 - I would think that even in a dead fallen state, men and women CAN cry out to God for help! After all, isn’t that why we preach the gospel to people - so that they WILL cry out to the Lord and be saved? The only way I can rationalise this is by saying that it is only through God’s workings on someone by His Spirit in the first place, that they CAN see the need TO cry out to God for help. And in that way, it is ALL God and not man. And that aside from this Holy Spirit convictions and promptings, the person won’t see the need to cry out to God in the first place, but will scoff at the Gospel and feel that they don’t need saving. The guy at 9:15 does make sense. The Law reveals sin. So people CAN see by acknowledging the standards of the Law that they ARE in a sinful state and cry out to God for His help. I was completely destitute and at the end of myself, I could see my need for God’s help and I reached to Him for help. I know it was HE Who allowed me to reach this state where I WOULD cry out. Soon after that He touched my life powerfully and I was gloriously born into His Kingdom. I know it was HE Who orchestrated every aspect of my salvation, and I give Him ALL the glory! 🙌🏼🙏

[@theTavis01]

1:04:00 ok wise guy, well then this type of hyperbolic language *_ALSO_* applies to Psalm 14!!!! Ooooops there goes total depravity. The hypocrisy and circular reasoning and utter lack of wisdom in -this- -documentary- Calvinism is alarming.

[@oracleoftroy]

?? Yes we would have to account for context and look for what the referent of these words is instead of presuming something that it means whatever fits what we'd like to be true. When Paul gives his argument for total depravity in Romans 1-3, he makes it abundantly clear that he is speaking to both the Jew and Gentile, and when he applies this psalm, he applies it to that referent while taking great care to show that no one is excluded. When Paul then goes on to develop his theology, we see that this still makes sense, e.g. everyone is either under Adam in sin or under Christ in grace, there is no room for a person who never sins. I'm not sure why we wouldn't apply context to the Psalms like they advocate doing for every other book.

[@theTavis01]

@@oracleoftroy Paul is not making an argument for something that wasn't invented until 1500 years later. Total depravity was never taught by the church before Calvin. You then say "there is no room for a person who never sins." Ok well then there's *_no room_* for limited atonement. Wow! Easy. Done.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@theTavis01 1500 years later? What about the Canon of Orange? At least give a more believable number.

[@theTavis01]

@@oracleoftroy Feel free to quote from the Canon of Orange to make your point.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@theTavis01 Sure. Canons 1-8 cover it quite extensively: *CANON 1.* If anyone denies that it is the whole man, that is, both body and soul, that was “changed for the worse” through the offense of Adam’s sin, but believes that the freedom of the soul remains unimpaired and that only the body is subject to corruption, he is deceived by the error of Pelagius and contradicts the scripture which says, “The soul that sins shall die” (Ezek. 18: 20); and, “Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are the slaves of the one whom you obey?” (Rom. 6: 16); and, “For whatever overcomes a man, to that he is enslaved” (2 Pet. 2: 19). *CANON 2.* If anyone asserts that Adam’s sin affected him alone and not his descendants also, or at least if he declares that it is only the death of the body which is the punishment for sin, and not also that sin, which is the death of the soul, passed through one man to the whole human race, he does injustice to God and contradicts the Apostle, who says, “Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned” (Rom. 5: 12). *CANON 3.* If anyone says that the grace of God can be conferred as a result of human prayer, but that it is not grace itself which makes us pray to God, he contradicts the prophet Isaiah, or the Apostle who says the same thing, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me” (Rom 10: 20, quoting Isa. 65: 1). *CANON 4.* If anyone maintains that God awaits our will to be cleansed from sin, but does not confess that even our will to be cleansed comes to us through the infusion and working of the Holy Spirit, he resists the Holy Spirit himself who says through Solomon, “The will is prepared by the Lord” (Prov. 8: 35, LXX), and the salutary word of the Apostle, “For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Phil. 2: 13). *CANON 5.* If anyone says that not only the increase of faith but also its beginning and the very desire for faith, by which we believe in Him who justifies the ungodly and comes to the regeneration of holy baptism - if anyone says that this belongs to us by nature and not by a gift of grace, that is, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit amending our will and turning it from unbelief to faith and from godlessness to godliness, it is proof that he is opposed to the teaching of the Apostles, for blessed Paul says, “And I am sure that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ” (Phil. 1: 6). And again, “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2: 8). For those who state that the faith by which we believe in God is natural make all who are separated from the Church of Christ by definition in some measure believers. *CANON 6.* If anyone says that God has mercy upon us when, apart from his grace, we believe, will, desire, strive, labor, pray, watch, study, seek, ask, or knock, but does not confess that it is by the infusion and inspiration of the Holy Spirit within us that we have the faith, the will, or the strength to do all these things as we ought; or if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, “What have you that you did not receive?” (1 Cor. 4: 7), and, “But by the grace of God I am what I am” (1 Cor. 15: 10). *CANON 7.* If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, as is expedient for us, or that we can be saved, that is, assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the illumination and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who makes all men gladly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray by a heretical spirit, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, “For apart from me you can do nothing” (John 15: 5), and the word of the Apostle, “Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God” (2 Cor. 3: 5). *CANON 8.* If anyone maintains that some are able to come to the grace of baptism by mercy but others through free will, which has manifestly been corrupted in all those who have been born after the transgression of the first man, it is proof that he has no place in the true faith. For he denies that the free will of all men has been weakened through the sin of the first man, or at least holds that it has been affected in such a way that they have still the ability to seek the mystery of eternal salvation by themselves without the revelation of God. The Lord himself shows how contradictory this is by declaring that no one is able to come to him “unless the Father who sent me draws him” (John 6: 44), as he also says to Peter, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 16: 17), and as the Apostle says, “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor. 12: 3). I was considering leaving out Canon 2 as that is more about original sin than total depravity, but anti-Calvinists often confuse the two, so I left it in. That pretty much covers 4 of the 5 points of Calvinism 1000 years before Calvin.

[@soteriology1012]

@3:40 I know a whole community of people where wo/men do not kill or steal or fornicate or blaspheme or covet smoke chew or go with girls that do. They in fact break none of the thou shalt not commandments. Bring in your greatest minds. Bring in your greatest theologians, pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets, philosophers, scientists, lawyers, debaters & communicators. You will convince none in this community that they are dead nor will you get them to believe a lie that they live nor can you get them to believe any religion true or false. It is a cemetery. Though a corpse can do no good neither can they do any evil. Your analogy is therefore false. However so is the Arminian gospel. The problem with both is that both of these treat faith in the gospel as some good deed. You contend that the lost cannot believe the gospel because they can do no good. Arminians contend that the lost can believe the gospel because they can do good. I contend that faith in the gospel is neutral territory. It is a DMZ. None need be good to enter the arena of belief neither does evil keep you out of it. People believe both lies and truths all the time. You believe O'Leary's cow started the Chicago fire? Or would you believe it was a comet or meteor? You all believe the official story line of 9-11-2001. I hear it all the time from the pulpit. The pastor says this is an example of the fruit of radical Islamic religion. Was it really that or was it a state sponsored act of terrorism? Was OKC an act of domestic sponsored terror? Or was It also state sponsored? Did Lee Harvey Oswald really shoot JFK? People believe mostly what they are taught to believe. Believing a message has no merit or demerit in itself. The product of their beliefs are however good or evil if those beliefs are acted upon. A lie universally believed conceals truth and justice. A truth universally believed empowers mankind. People believe what they are told if told it enough.

[@Scripture-Man]

Armenianism is wrong, however, Calvinism is dangerous heresy. BEWARE of Calvinism, it is not Biblical. Some elements of Calvinism are correct (eg God's sovereignty and His election) however, the rest is absolute heresy and will destroy your soul. Men are not saved "automatically" by "trusting doctrines"; men are saved by an ACTIVE and CONTINUED trust AND OBEDIENCE to Jesus Christ, exactly as the Scriptures say. Jesus said STRIVE to enter in, because many will try to enter and will not be able to (Luke 13:24). Jesus said that those who "heareth" His words but "doeth them not" will be destroyed (Matthew 7:26). And again, the Scripture declares: "Man is justified BY WORKS and NOT by faith alone". And that you will perish "UNLESS ye repent" (Luke 13:3) The Scripture says you will be saved "IF thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus." (Rom 10:9) This is WORKS based salvation! If you don't turn from your sin and repent, you are GOING TO DIE. The Bible is FULL of warnings about losing your salvation, over and over. Have you not read the Parable of the Sower? The most repeated parable in the whole of the Bible! Calvinists cannot see this because they are blind to the truth. Do not be led by these blind leaders, turn instead to the Scriptures and pray that God will fill you with the truth! Evil men like Luther and Calvin didn't even accept all of the New Testament as Scripture, they denied whole books such as Revelation and James, so OF COURSE their teaching was wrong! How can we presume to be God's Elect? Because we call ourselves 'Chrsitians'? No, we can presume to be His Elect because we hear His voice and do as He says. And God commands us to: "GIVE DILIGENCE to make your calling and election sure: for IF ye do these things, ye shall never fall" (2 Peter 1:10) and "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 6:9) Calvinism, on the other hand, tells people that if they "trust in what Jesus did" then God must have already destined them for salvation and they don't need to repent, don't need to be baptised, and don't need to continue in faith. But the New Covenant is not just about forgiving evil men: it is about SAVING evil men FROM their sin! God sets men free from sinful desires: He causes us to be born of His Spirit, to be made holy and righteous, receiving a new heart. While the Old Covenant gave people a superficial form of outer goodness, the New Covenant makes men good from the inside out, by Spiritual birth. 1 John 3:9-10 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. "In this, the children of God are manifest: and the children of the Devil: whoever doeth not righteousness is not of God." Many people think that either Calvinism or Armenianism has to be true. But no, both are totally wrong. They both deny the Bible. Forget about them and pray to be filled with Truth. Truth comes from God, not from men's teaching.

[@danielgilbert7366]

+Lee Bee Take a closer look into Calvinism you seemed to have sort of mis understood it ....totally : ) also we need guidance when turning to scripture cause your last point fell on itself and is a good example of why we need men and women to forge and translate scripture (seek the kingdom). (Forget about them and pray to be filled with Truth. Truth comes from God, not from men's teaching.) You are a man so therefore why trust a word you wrote.... Though i get what you mean its a relationship of love with God not an intellectual understanding of mans interpretation of God. Calvinism has truly lead me to a deep love of Christ and your rebuke good but was not what i know Calvinism to be. : )

[@yourlastchance_]

+Classic Guy They can both be wrong. They are not opposite but the same. Jacobus Arminius was a Calvinist and taught in a Calvinist school til the day he died. They are both the same in that they both reject the foreknowledge of God.

[@danielgilbert7366]

***** A better way to look at it is an apple can be green or red but both are apples. Neither teaching is heretical so both are sufficient to save in my humble opinion. Though if i ask myself which most glorifies the trinity and is most consistent i would say calvin. I dont rely on Calvinism for salvation though it just helps me digest and synchronize the 66 books of the bible consistently. My church is called Hope Reformed Baptist Church you could check out the preaching on youtube if you want to see what its like. Have a great day.

[@danielgilbert7366]

Bill's Boxes they can both be wrong?? What denomination are you? Have you had a repentance leading to salvation and declared Christ as Lord and Saviour? Just asking out of care if you have : )

[@wtom04]

Calvinism is the epitome of Satanic evil. Check out what the following Calvinist apologists had to say regarding sin and evil: 1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234 2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88. 3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961). 4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249 5) Edwin Palmer - "It is even Biblical to say that God has foreordained sin. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82 6) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986. 7) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965. 8) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986 Calvinism makes God the author of sin and evil thereby exonerating Satan and man and is a direct attack on the true nature and character of God. The "God" of Calvinism is not the same God of the Bible.

[@chasingaesthetics7394]

wtom04 Have you ever read your bible?

[@wtom04]

+Marcos Guaico Yes, have you read yours or do you read your Bible through the tainted lens of Calvinism which relies upon the man made philosophical presuppositions of Augustine and John Calvin who have eisegeted the Bible in epic proportions?

[@chasingaesthetics7394]

wtom04​　you said that God decreeing sin is something thats horrible and unbiblical? Is that yiur position?

[@wtom04]

+Marcos Guaico If God decreed sin, then that would make him the author of sin and evil, thereby exonerating Satan and man.

[@wtom04]

+Marcos Guaico If man has been predestined to perish wherefore is God's legal right to punish? Wherefore is sin? For if a man has been predestined to fulfill God's plan and he does so because he has no choice, then therefore whatever sins he does is because God predestined him to do, where is his sin? God therefore becomes the author of sin. So man was created to be what God predestined him to be, he has fulfilled God's plan, then he has obeyed God's will. Where then is man's sin? How can God proclaim a righteous wrath against those who do not obey His commands if He has predestined them not to obey His commands? How can God proclaim to be just when He creates a person to disobey Him, and then punishes that person for doing what he was predestined to do? So why would God predestine a person to love Him which is in essence God loving Himself through that person because that person has no choice? This doctrine of Calvin takes accountability and blame out of man's hands and throws it right into God's lap. If man creates a weapon and uses it to fulfill his plan to kill someone; who is guilty? the man who created the weapon or the weapon itself? In Genesis God says, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil" Does this mean we don't know how to choose between good and evil?

[@Marinanor]

I love James Kennedy, and I believe he is in Heaven, but I will never become a Calvinist.

[@clintmmartin]

Only by the grace of God will you believe in election and predestination.

[@Marinanor]

Clint Martin Only by the Grace of God will you Calvinists shut up. ((kidding)

[@clintmmartin]

Marinanor "63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would [j]betray Him. 65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”" John 6

[@Marinanor]

Clint Martin That's not condemning people to Hell like Calvinists are inferring with Pre-Destination. It's God knowing from before someone accepts him who is going to do it.

[@clintmmartin]

Marinanor No sir. It is not: "God knowing from before someone accepts him who is going to do it". Jesus clearly says: "no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." God does the granting. All the glory to God and not to man.

[@BlaBla-jy7mc]

I find the end disappointing. Apparently we have to become republicans. I wonder whether Trump is a great Calvinist. Some context about the Dutch history is missing. After the synod there was a big civil war in the Netherlands in which Calvinist preachers did not appear to be that sanctified. After the Calvinists won, the Netherlands became very big in slave trading (they would have sermons on ships that were transporting slaves to America). One person that objected to slavery was Baruch Spinoza, a great humanist. Hence, I dislike the way Calvinists are portrayed as righteous men and the humanists as fallen men. I am also displeased how prude Christians can get so upset by the appearance of a nipple. On the positive side Calvinists were the first in the Netherlands to advocate gay rights and the Netherlands was also the first country that allowed gays to marry ;-) According to Spinoza faith and actions are two sides of the same coin (he refers to the Epistle of James), while he rejects the notion of free will... so I am wondering whether humanism and Augustinus teachings are really irreconcilable.

[@misse8787]

Calvinists the first to allow gay rights? Lol, not in this lifetime. Trump a Calvinist, lol. No, Trumps an Actor pretending to be President. Good grief where did you learn this stuff from, Babylonbee?

[@wtom04]

John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil. 1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5. 2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11. 3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4. 4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8.

[@thomasbogardus6899]

lol the bible says to make your yeah yeah and your no no, yet they want us to believe all does not mean all? lol I think Ill stick with the Bible not the ideas of different men.

[@oracleoftroy]

They said that all does mean all. But what does all really mean? "All means all" is a meaningless phrase that anti-Calvnists like to toss around as a substitute for a coherent statement. Or are you saying that according to Mark 1: 5 when "all the country of Judea and all Jerusalem were going out to him [John the Baptist]" we should take away that every single person who happened to be in the region of Judea were all located at the Jordan, leaving entire cities empty? All means all, right?

[@besacb9694]

Books do not interpret themselves. The protestant 'sola scriptura' is just as philosophically naïve as the roman catholic dogma of transsubstantiation.

[@JohnQPublic11]

Why do Calvinists believe in a whimsical, hateful, discriminatory, selfish and sadistic god?

[@michaelparks536]

Calvinism god made all those in hell go there out of His joy to damn them.Calvinism god who judged those he himself made sin and he himself forced to sin.He Himself refuse to save . . No point in even having a bible or witnessing to anyone, because all those saved were already saved before they were born . No point in anyone pointing out false teaching because no one cannot be unelected . Illogical Calvinism

[@Sting79]

It's illogical only because you've completely misrepresented Calvinism. There's many resources to learn what Calvinists believe. I suggest Dr James White.