BREAKTHROUGH Supercritical Turbine Breaks RECORDS

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A new type of turbine utilizes high pressure C02, resulting in smaller yet more powerful designs!
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@rosscoep1450
@rosscoep1450 7 ай бұрын
As a maintenance worker for a spicy rock powered plant, leaks, leaks are going to be a nightmare on a grid size (Gigawatt +) scale.
@AdamBechtol
@AdamBechtol 3 ай бұрын
I didn't realize there was so much still to learn/discover/engineer about turbines. Thanks.
@THarSul
@THarSul 7 ай бұрын
with the temperature range involved in keeping co2 supercritical, a system like that, one which could hypothetically generate some level of power from almost any heat source, could change the way we generate power and operate our grids, because if it becomes possible to make small, self contained units, they could be installed in all manner of locations, allowing for the creation of things we can barely even begin to imagine, due to the fact that electricity availability is one of the limiting factors on almost anything we do, and untapped heat sources are abundant in human developments.
@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42 7 ай бұрын
Ultra-supercritical technology is used at the RDK 8 coal-fired power plant in Karlsruhe, Germany. The plant achieves 47.5% net thermal efficiency while producing 912MW of electricity, making it one of the world’s most efficient hard coal-fired steam power plants. As a note, I suspect that this efficiency number is based on the the Higher Heating Value of coal. Another steam power plant utilizing double-reheat steam cycle and cold seawater for cooling, resulted in a net electrical efficiency of 47% (LHV basis).
@w8stral
@w8stral 7 ай бұрын
Yes, coal is the best end user for CO2 turbines due to their lower Temps allowable compared to CO2.
@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42 7 ай бұрын
@@w8stral Expand upon what u said, I am unsure what u meant. All I was commenting upon was that the most efficient coal plants are better than what the video said. Oxygen combustion has some interesting applications where the working medium is CO2 with natural gas as the fuel.
@w8stral
@w8stral 7 ай бұрын
Are you en engineer? If so you should have been able to decipher. If not, what limits Coal efficiency is its maximum temperature as it uses water and water is pressure limited not temperature limited. And no, Coal plants are no more efficient that what video originally said. mid 40% is max due to energy required to turn coal into dust , preheaters, sulphur scrubbers etc. But the biggest problem is Thot of Coal verses natural Gas. Efficiency is ~~~ Thot -Tcold. Changing from water to CO2 allows much higher Delta Thot-Tcold CO2 as a medium helps make smaller turbines due to allowable pressures at higher temps. Does have the big problem that when everything goes tits up, all that high pressure CO2 will kill anyone via asphixiation nearby and therefore will require a giant pressure vessel around the main turbines. CO2 + water can also create acid, but that can be dealt with. @@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42 7 ай бұрын
@@w8stral Yes I am an ME and it seems like we are talking around “definitionial” issues and I specified ULTRA-SUPERCRITICAL steam plants with reheat and the information was from an authoritative source. One of the articles specified: A USC plant operates with steam conditions above 3,500 psia and 1,100F (593C). For comparison, a conventional supercritical unit operates at steam temperatures of 1,000F to1,050F (538C to 566C) and pressure typically up to 3,500 psia! So are you referencing USC with reheat? I have done test on regular steam turbines and am quite aware of the parameters. As I noted, the issue with using LHV vs HHV & REHEAT & the use of COLD WATER for the condenser. Unless u r directly involved with this industry, I will go with the authoritative sources that might have some marketing hype or leave out some peripheral loses but are consistent between different plants with different equipment.
@w8stral
@w8stral 7 ай бұрын
You are talking tiny specifics which I find useless to talk about unless your fingers are actually in the engineering numbers and totally useless in a KZbin comment; instead I am talking whole plant setup. @@Mentaculus42
@babaoreally8220
@babaoreally8220 7 ай бұрын
Co-generation(co-gen) plants have been around for a good while.In the late 90s I helped build and maintain one of these GE engineered projects.It was a natural gas fired turbine,exhausted into a boiler compartment containing a latticework of steam capillaries.They tied into a main steam line that then fed a steam turbine,producing additional power from the gas turbine’s exhaust.I believe its efficiency was just over 60%.I retired from there in 08,cleanest place I ever worked at.
@ricknoah9184
@ricknoah9184 6 ай бұрын
Did you go to the school in Susanville ?
@babaoreally8220
@babaoreally8220 6 ай бұрын
@@ricknoah9184 That would be a nice place to visit,but never been there.I have family in Ventura,tho.
@gryphonvalorant
@gryphonvalorant 7 ай бұрын
thank you for being different to all the youtube channels that just sell fake stuff to you to entertain to for 10 minutes, when you actually care about the material you put out.
@jfess1911
@jfess1911 7 ай бұрын
Thanks, I have not looked into this type of turbine before.
@chrisoakey9841
@chrisoakey9841 7 ай бұрын
this allows for decentralized power infrastructure. so instead of a few GW power plants then sub stations, you could have many more smaller plants within town or cities.
@geauxracerx
@geauxracerx 7 ай бұрын
This guy gets it
@CheapSushi
@CheapSushi 7 ай бұрын
the government should absolutely focus on this aspect because it's dangerous and a huge vulnerability to have a few massive plants at risk instead of a highly connected but resilient grid with smaller units to pick up slack
@peoplez129
@peoplez129 7 ай бұрын
If you think the government wants to decentralize power generation, you're not paying attention. They absolutely want to centralize it so the department of energy can easily control everything. They want to shut off entire cities if they want, at a moments notice, even if the people are rising up in civil war, especially if the people are rising up in civil war even. They can't do that if cities are generating all their power locally. This is also why they're banning fuel vehicles, because they can't just remotely shut off a switch on a gas tank. This is why they want everything run on batteries, because those can be shut off remotely, and to really have a battery bank system for the entire energy grid, the only thing that makes sense is a large centralized facility, rather than batteries scattered around all over. They're already experimenting with ways to do this, for example, using coal beds in conjunction with hydrogen gas they can get it to absorb. They use this as a battery to store and pull energy. There are other simple ways that do this too, such as stacking concrete or large heavy objects. What they do is use energy to lift something heavy with a crane system, think like building a pyramid out of large blocks. Then when they want the energy back the crane just unstacks it and lowers it back down, regaining the energy through the crane because it acts like an energy generator when the objects weight provides torque to draw energy from, just like spinning a windmill. And this gives almost as much energy back as it took to stack the thing up. You would need a large dedicated facility to achieve this on any feasible scale. So the government sure as heck wants everything centralized, because they're not getting excess power from local generators for their mega grid battery project. Local means nothing for them to really have absolute control over, and they need absolute control to sink energy into these mega battery systems, not to mention they need it to be local so that the transmission of the energy is localized, which loses less energy. So they literally can't rely on drawing energy for these mega batteries from anything but a centralized generation source. Or in other words, the fact that they want to build these mega batteries, tells you by proxy that they also want a centralized power generation system.
@AndrewNuttallWearsPants
@AndrewNuttallWearsPants 7 ай бұрын
This turbine would work well with a closed-loop geothermal system, based on Eavor's design (see their KZbin channel) but dug extremely deep using the particle beam drilling tech from Quaise (also see their KZbin channel). The result would be a true-zero emissions powerplant safe for urban areas with a tiny footprint and a very long lifespan (100+ years). It would provide extremely low-cost electricity in large quantities.
@stevejeffryes5086
@stevejeffryes5086 7 ай бұрын
Quaise provides only a very vague description of what they are developing. Are they working to provide geothermal energy or are they focused on the development of their gyrotron-powered drilling platform? The gyrotron-powered drilling platform has some unexplained details which cause doubt about the technology. What becomes of the vitrified rock within the borehole? They do not suggest that they expect to vaporize the rock ahead of the wave guide. SO, how is the rock, even if molten, removed from the path of the boring tool? At the same time, Eavor refers tp their technology as "scalable". It is one thing for technology to be scalable in principal and another thing to achieve scaling in application.
@bendover1028
@bendover1028 6 ай бұрын
A young research down here got grant money to build a very small power plant that was to use the techtonic pressures to super heat water being pumped deep underground. When he finally drilled the shaft he was hit by a jet of steam coming straight up. It seems his idea had legs but mother earth got there first, but he did get more interest as he had found water in the part of Australia were there is none (was). That's my smart talk over for another year. Thanks.
@handleismyhandle
@handleismyhandle 6 ай бұрын
I think that any kind of deep earth geothermal is dangerous because of the imbalances it would create. 100 years of running a city is going to put some strain on the underlying strata.
@radomirfilip8741
@radomirfilip8741 7 ай бұрын
The idea of sCO2 power cycles is fairly ancient. The fact that the working 10MWe unit is finally being demonstrated is a great achievement and huge step forward for the technology development. I would just add couple more info. To achieve higher cycle efficiencies, the CO2 is compressed and heated usually up to 250bar and 550C at the turbine inlet. These conditions are also probably the reason why it took so long to develop, but nowadays nickel based alloys can handle that. Another fact is that even though the turbine itself is very compact in size the other components like the heaters and the coolers are standard size as for the steam cycle. So when scaling up, the footprint si rather same as the current power plants minus the turbine hall.
@Ayvengo21
@Ayvengo21 7 ай бұрын
If it give you extra 10% efficiency with the same cost for building and maintaining it still make a lot of sense.
@radomirfilip8741
@radomirfilip8741 7 ай бұрын
@@Ayvengo21 the cost of building would be much higher, since most of the equipment must be build from high grade stainless steel and nickel based alloys. So big power blocks will probably remain running on steam, but I see a big window of oportunity with smaller modular units coupled with thermal storage.
@hu5116
@hu5116 7 ай бұрын
Great video! These are the kinds of energy projects that need to get funded and used. Thanks!
@williammeek4078
@williammeek4078 7 ай бұрын
Why? Wind and solar are far cheaper to operate.
@davidkatuin4527
@davidkatuin4527 7 ай бұрын
It's interesting to see the effort put into something to get it to work. Applying efficiency to all aspects of the system would make more sense before scaling up. There are several components that have been overlooked. Thanks for the vid
@user-xl1ct9tv8k
@user-xl1ct9tv8k 6 ай бұрын
Amazing vid Keep it up
@BILEAM33
@BILEAM33 6 ай бұрын
I thought this was going to be about the Netpower test plant that runs a supercritical CO2 turbine. But nice to know that there are more players trying this idea. :-)
@cerial0411
@cerial0411 7 ай бұрын
The largest issue with sCO2 is the amount of volume required. The time it takes to heat the sCO2 from liquid to gas then get that gas from the heated surface to the turbine blades causes a loss of pressure along the way. This means that some form of (highly controlled) pulsating injection may be the best method to further improve the efficiency. This of course increases the pump pressure injecting the liquid onto the heated plate and in a closed system this requires increased cooling. It is "tricky" to get sCO2 to perform at peak all the time with varying ambient temps effecting the materials involved.
@adsfjkasfads
@adsfjkasfads 6 ай бұрын
"sCO2 from liquid to gas" what do you mean? The fluid is supercritical. There is no gas or steam phase. That's one of the main benefits of this cycle because the compression power is much lower compared to steam. Clearly, you missed that part of the video.. Also, sCO2 allows you to go from wet cooling to dry cooling. At the same ambient temperature, sCO2 brayton is more efficient than steam rankine. Therefore, it's equally tricky (if not less) to maintain peak efficiency. The largest issue comes from the heat exchangers in the cycle. The boiler needs to be able to be able to withstand 250 bar and temperatures higher than 800 C.
@cerial0411
@cerial0411 6 ай бұрын
The Co2 needs to be in a closed system. Once the high pressure is ran through the turbine it is then cooled currently by means of hitting a "plate" cooled by a nearby water source which returns it to it's liquid state. It can then be pumped/spray injected into a heated chamber and turned into a supercritical state. To maintain a more uniform and higher supercritical pressure pulsating injection would be a better method then just spraying it on the heated coils and having that pressure injected immediately against the turbine blades unrestricted. The difficult issue here is finding and maintaining a high pressure pump capable of injecting the liquid into the higher pressure heated chamber and lessening losses up to that pulsating injector. The higher pressure differential before the turbine to after the turbine the higher output is possible. Using gear reduction is another means to lessen these losses having a turbine running at higher rpm. But that also presents problems.
@synchro505
@synchro505 7 ай бұрын
What an amazingly beautiful monster of a machine. Hope they someday scale it up to and beyond a gigawatt.
@augustinep6193
@augustinep6193 7 ай бұрын
Good. Thanks.
@palsgraph
@palsgraph 6 ай бұрын
I loved it, I think, I will tell you after I watch it five more times....
@ronniepirtlejr2606
@ronniepirtlejr2606 7 ай бұрын
They should apply the newly discovered tubercle technology to turbines !👍
@konradcomrade4845
@konradcomrade4845 7 ай бұрын
Very important development work, hope for success, in many Industries.
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 7 ай бұрын
My teachers were critical, my parents are supercritical.
@IncreasedAngerPill
@IncreasedAngerPill 6 ай бұрын
Quantum superposition tech would make this unimaginably more efficient
@chriscavanagh1347
@chriscavanagh1347 7 ай бұрын
Excellent, clear graphics. You should consider a longer, more detailed explanation of the technical points raised. We'll done on this v important subject.
@lucianene7741
@lucianene7741 7 ай бұрын
I can see an instant application of this technology in marine propulsion. Maybe the days of the gigantic Diesel are over?
@henrycarlson7514
@henrycarlson7514 7 ай бұрын
Interesting , Thank You . I Really Hope it works and can Scale
@mikekelly1771
@mikekelly1771 7 ай бұрын
After watching this, I feel both smarter and dumber at the same time.
@adsfjkasfads
@adsfjkasfads 6 ай бұрын
The largest issue with technology id that the boiler needs to be able to be able to withstand 250 bar and temperatures higher than 800 C. It requires the use of high-nickle allows that are expensive and hard to manufacture.
@fatguyalwayseats
@fatguyalwayseats 7 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@babyoda1973
@babyoda1973 7 ай бұрын
I think we're close to cracking it
@brucekellett440
@brucekellett440 7 ай бұрын
ah, need to discuss the clean carbon fuel possibilities here. If we run a close loop supercritical co2 gas cycle we can extract co2, and store it and bury it. There are lots of companies trying to do just that.
@yvanpimentel9950
@yvanpimentel9950 7 ай бұрын
nope,CO2 is just a medium like the gas in refrigerator, CO2 wos the first refrigerant but it needs a high pressure and a very expensive pipes.
@L.LGodwill
@L.LGodwill 7 ай бұрын
Thanks
@lokesh303101
@lokesh303101 6 ай бұрын
The one which got maximum compression ratio at low pressure is the Supercritical Turbine.
@dougaltolan3017
@dougaltolan3017 5 ай бұрын
Gas turbine. The combustion does *not* increase the pressure. You can take it from me or you can get your head royally chewed off by AgentJayZ KZbin channel. Combustion increases volume and temperature, speeding up the flow. As AgentJayZ points out, there's a bloody great big hole in the rear of the combustor. Ain't nuffin increasing the pressure there.
@DCGreenZone
@DCGreenZone 5 ай бұрын
I can see this being used in the Co2 battery (Energy Storage) system that they are putting up here and there.
@l0I0I0I0
@l0I0I0I0 7 ай бұрын
Would love to have 10 of them. :)
@MrJdsenior
@MrJdsenior 7 ай бұрын
I think you meant a liquid. Gases are fluids, as well.
@TheTruthPlease100
@TheTruthPlease100 7 ай бұрын
So how efficient is using a closed loop system using water split and recombining and using that energy along with using magnet motors along with magnet generators configured to work with the magnetic fields to spin the generator? Now we just need to find a good set of magnetic berings to float the spinning generator. Or how about using the tesla turbine? Or using frequency waves from everything in in the air already and utilize that for power?
@wmffmw1854
@wmffmw1854 7 ай бұрын
Combine the closed loop CO2 Turbine with Small Modular Nuclear Reactors.
@jansharples9088
@jansharples9088 7 ай бұрын
Think the project managers need to consult with me around the Co2 system, Co2 refrigeration is one of my specialist fields
@paulgracey4697
@paulgracey4697 7 ай бұрын
I just have to wonder if the CO2 gives 10% more efficiency at the much higher RPM, will the reduction gear necessary to generate line voltage power at standard frequencies take that 10% back?
@user-qs6nn5jv6i
@user-qs6nn5jv6i 7 ай бұрын
Так. Високочастотний генератор має набагато менші розміри. Краще конвертувати високочастотний струм ніж механічну енергію. Це надійніше і ефективніше.
@DavidWilliams-yh6pq
@DavidWilliams-yh6pq 7 ай бұрын
Nikola Tesla already fixed some of the issues stated in the video
@ShaunHensley
@ShaunHensley 7 ай бұрын
That’s a combustion turbine sometimes called a gas turbine, not a steam turbine. Those 16 holes around the circumference of the turbine stage is where the fuel nozzles go. (The compressor is in the foreground) 0:15
@tinkerstrade3553
@tinkerstrade3553 6 ай бұрын
It would seem that small units meant to power only 5 to 10 homes, would be the route to follow. Think how much power loss is involved in current electrical grids during transmission. A companion to the A/C heat pump could be another module for a mini turbine to power the home. There are many parts of the world, even in developed nations, that are off grid, and a multi fuel turbine system would be the answer in many varied environments.
@maurizioibba869
@maurizioibba869 7 ай бұрын
Cool , thanks, as usually lots of precious info. I`m wandering why they`ve not tried GRCop-24. It was conceived for high thermal tollerance. the great advantage is that can be 3-D printed.
@handleismyhandle
@handleismyhandle 6 ай бұрын
This is very cool, has me wondering about the use of CMCs with molten salts or other possibilities. I mean using the salt as a driving fluid and not just a thermal storage medium. Also wondering about the possibility of hydrogen. Apparently it becomes supercritical around 180 psi, but is there an upper limit to density?
@dougaltolan3017
@dougaltolan3017 5 ай бұрын
The fun parts about water / steam are... Density, water and steam are heavy, giving higher kinetic energy transport at lower flow rates (bigger pipes can make up for that though..) Specific heat capacity and latent heat of evaporation. Water shifts heat energy very very well.
@stanleytolle416
@stanleytolle416 7 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention that supercritical CO ² fits well with high tempature nuclear reactors. Also, because of small size, naval propulsion.
@princeofkernow9875
@princeofkernow9875 7 ай бұрын
High RPM will be to noisy for submarines.
@stanleytolle416
@stanleytolle416 7 ай бұрын
@@princeofkernow9875 I was referring to cargo ships. Sterling engines would be better for subs. A small fast reactor could melt a storage of aluminum using heat pipes which in turn give such a sub high power burst potential. The Sterling engine would enable ultra quiet operation.
@RobinI92
@RobinI92 6 ай бұрын
Bigger turbine have the advantage to be stabalazing for the electrical grid the big rotational mass and therefor big inertia helps to mantain grid stability
@wyattlewis9250
@wyattlewis9250 7 ай бұрын
Supercritical steam turbines have been in commercial operation since the late 50’s. Ultra supercritical plants just push further into the supercritical region due to the advances in materials science. The CO2 turbine generator utilizing a gearbox wouldn’t make any sense at larger scales. Maintaining a gearbox transferring 100’s of MWs would be cost prohibitive.
@flyonbyya
@flyonbyya 7 ай бұрын
I’m afraid I’m too stupid to intelligently comment
@hugh261
@hugh261 7 ай бұрын
Finally, an honest person. Thank you. Now if 99% of commentors were just as honest...
@dylaninnes8541
@dylaninnes8541 7 ай бұрын
Knowing and admitting your "level" is the that step to improving ... And honesty is pretty intelligent
@jimjackson4256
@jimjackson4256 7 ай бұрын
Actually your comment is the most intelligent so go figure.
@urbandad885
@urbandad885 7 ай бұрын
Very astute. It's one of the most thoughtful comments I have read yet. Most of the good ones are emotional.
@belovedwatcher8230
@belovedwatcher8230 7 ай бұрын
Thank you. Me too. 😊
@camresearch5120
@camresearch5120 6 ай бұрын
Making turbines out of unobtanium and super tolerance and pressure is clever until contamination of gas due to the corrosion especially If any neutron exposure is planned. When things go wrong they get really bad really quickly. The maintenance and down time has to be considered in the operating costs.
@TehPwnerer
@TehPwnerer 7 ай бұрын
Does it help in any way with the efficiency of the of a heat engine over a traditional gas or mostly a savings in size?
@technokicksyourass
@technokicksyourass 7 ай бұрын
Pretty sure there would be losses in the heat transfer to the closed loop, so it's probably only a good idea when your system requires a closed loop. Something like solar thermal, geothermal or coal/oil fired.
@tsclly2377
@tsclly2377 7 ай бұрын
Interesting, but you negated to discuss the more traditional Rakine turbines that this essentially is .. The new development is the use of super critical CO2 instead of NH3 or other refrigerant type carbon (fluorine) compounds in heat recovery. I assume that these types of electrical generators are for use in high electrical demand periods of the longer duration.. supplementing the use of NG turbines or on ships that use large multi cylinder diesel type engines (now using more ethanol in their mix) as the secondary power source.. Ideally no reduction would be used, instead separation of the pulsed output directly into the power line as pulsed DC or inverted AC (again taking the heat generated in the coil capacitance to be recycled).. High speed usually means short life..
@TonyFarley-gi2cv
@TonyFarley-gi2cv 6 ай бұрын
Politicians think they control the rights and organization of people think they can block their stuff and then take actions into their stuff
@AshtonCoolman
@AshtonCoolman 5 ай бұрын
Now we can build the silos (I'm referencing the Apple TV show called 'Silo')
@TonyFarley-gi2cv
@TonyFarley-gi2cv 6 ай бұрын
What you can't use just like regular fractions like 1/3 can either be 33 or it can be 66 but there's a whole spacing spread that plays with all that and most people just think you can turn it in one direction and it's not true it means you could have the offset counterbalance start to be like counter direction against you percent value could start off spreading your hot and cold and wrong directions with some can sometimes take years and balance or certain gravity turns before it starts causing actions against you
@Don-kr5tp
@Don-kr5tp 6 ай бұрын
not sure if the complexity of the build and additional cost and maintenance would offset the 10% gain in efficiency.
@TonyFarley-gi2cv
@TonyFarley-gi2cv 6 ай бұрын
Your math has got an instability with separation spreads it's like with you using 5 * 5 like = 25 but the direction of 25 roach way it's going to pull inside of whether it's going to pull inside is it going to turn your water's liquid to counterbalance your inner directions it's far in which ratio of a decimal fraction
@magnitudematrix2653
@magnitudematrix2653 7 ай бұрын
Niobium alloys for your materials thermal management of the compressor blades should help you get your temperatures up.
@peanutnutter1
@peanutnutter1 7 ай бұрын
You'd have to be supercritical to downvote this video 👍
@watchthe1369
@watchthe1369 6 ай бұрын
Whoa did you say a co2 gas turbine could use waste co2 from a coal plant with a natural gas burner/catalyst to get water vapor? I think you just invented an additional way to make more power and make coal green?
@kayakMike1000
@kayakMike1000 7 ай бұрын
10 megawatts!??? That is quite a lot for something so tiny.
@mattharvey8712
@mattharvey8712 7 ай бұрын
Bravo.......need to make micro unites .......multi systems .....Sterling .....cryogenic tube......cheers
@FrankensteinDIYkayak
@FrankensteinDIYkayak 7 ай бұрын
I love how words are used in engineering at times. when nasa and spaceX are most happy with a launch everything is nominal.
@larrylong6268
@larrylong6268 5 ай бұрын
I am curious why we don’t utilize air bearings more in rotating equipment.
@travismoore7849
@travismoore7849 7 ай бұрын
I kind of wonder how a Tesla turbine handles a super criticle state.
@grzegorzkapica7930
@grzegorzkapica7930 7 ай бұрын
Would it be suitable for geothermal energy extraction?
@benoitavril4806
@benoitavril4806 7 ай бұрын
There is a question a bit idiotic that I have. Since turbines are more efficient with incompressible fluids and on the other hand you get more expansion and thus motion from expanding gas, why do we not expand a gas above a huge pool of a liquid phase of the same element that will push a reduced colomn of the liquid?
@BartKus
@BartKus 6 ай бұрын
Why can the s.c. CO2 design only be scaled up to 450MW? What are the limiting factors beyond that?
@stevejeffryes5086
@stevejeffryes5086 7 ай бұрын
Supercritical turbines have definite advantages over purely expansive turbines. Supercritical turbines have been around for decades, but operated with water steam. If supercritical CO₂ turbines operate over a lower temperature range than do steam turbines, then there may be some logistical advantages over the steam turbines. With either steam turbines or CO₂ turbines, you will be adding heat to a medium, then allowing that heat energy to be converted to rotational mechanical energy. I do not see enough in this presentation for me to decide that supercritical CO₂ turbines have an inherent advantage over supercritical steam turbines. Steam turbines are a well known technology, so it will take some very convincing demonstrations b to get the turbine market to make the switch.
@Jon-cb9dt
@Jon-cb9dt 6 ай бұрын
So how efficient is the co2 generator?
@blacksand6368
@blacksand6368 6 ай бұрын
Are we there yet?
@Sq7Arno
@Sq7Arno 6 ай бұрын
Personally I think steam turbine tech days are numbered if high temperature Thermophotovoltaics tech pans out of the lab. With 40% efficiency at around 2000C, and unharvested radiation reflected back into the heat source. The benefits of of a solid state thermal power harvesting mechanism are just too obvious. Finally getting steam out of the equation will certainly be the end of an era.
@Luvurenemy
@Luvurenemy 5 ай бұрын
How does this compare to Netpower’s Super Critical CO2 turbine?
@karlswanson95
@karlswanson95 6 ай бұрын
How about supercritical sf6 for small generators? Could these ever be used for transportation, say in a semi truck? Maybe pneumatic engine or tesla turbine based generator would be better for such small applications.
@TonyFarley-gi2cv
@TonyFarley-gi2cv 6 ай бұрын
To probably look at the ratio of your heating and cooling in your material
@pound4poundmikebrown
@pound4poundmikebrown 7 ай бұрын
My ex girlfriend was super-critical. Now i see i never had a shot
@dragonsbreath1984
@dragonsbreath1984 7 ай бұрын
Nothing is free. What is the required energy input per usable mass unit of super C CO2 compared to steam?
@Ratzfourtyfour
@Ratzfourtyfour 7 ай бұрын
The script does not always match the visuals and a gas is a fluid, what you meant to say is 'liquid'.
@danielnorman8595
@danielnorman8595 7 ай бұрын
I would point out all the problems and pitfalls but I don't want to be super critical. Lol
@Starchild670
@Starchild670 7 ай бұрын
You mean low tolerance
@Kyba_LLC
@Kyba_LLC 6 ай бұрын
I wonder if heavy water could be used
@ValidatingUsername
@ValidatingUsername 7 ай бұрын
Imagine confusing requiring high rpm with how much resistance can be applied to generate energy at low rpm
@WeBeGood06
@WeBeGood06 7 ай бұрын
Needs to be paired with a high voltage, high frequency generator to eliminate the gears.
@76629online
@76629online 6 ай бұрын
Problem: Leakage Will require frequent and expensive replenishment. I will be nearly impossible to contain the CO2 100%.
@YouCountSheep
@YouCountSheep 7 ай бұрын
I fail to understand how this is a breakthrough when this is all old known stuff. This GE turbine exists since 2016. So this is 7 years old at least.
@mohammadwasilliterate8037
@mohammadwasilliterate8037 5 ай бұрын
*Yes but the problem this has is not only burning fuel but the line transmission losses/maintenance, versus solar panels and battery, solar has dropped a LOT past 10yrs, PLUS batteries now being used in cars is making them drop in price, so I think home power future is solar and battery.*
@williammeek4078
@williammeek4078 7 ай бұрын
It is a bit late. Wind and solar are far cheaper so that is the dominant technology for new electricity.
@13370101
@13370101 Ай бұрын
Seriously, the first two images shown are the GE combustion turbines? Why didn’t you show Toshiba steam turbines?
@effingsix3825
@effingsix3825 7 ай бұрын
Have they tried burning hydrogen. Have they tried counter-rotating turbines.
@tomchupick9450
@tomchupick9450 6 ай бұрын
I’m still waiting for the Echogen super critical CO2 power gen system that was supposed to start up on a gas turbine at Trans Alta Utilities in 2019. If it’s so great why is sCO2 taking so long to get commercial?
@user-lt9ur7rk1u
@user-lt9ur7rk1u 7 ай бұрын
what about making the fans solid but holed like a cheese grader
@phyarth8082
@phyarth8082 7 ай бұрын
To increase steam turbine efficiency need rid-of steam flow stator which is loos of pressure. It purpose to direct steam flow at maximum 90 angle but it doing so it plays role as local obstacle that waste a lot of energy. Better is to design most effect angle attack turbine blade and run without stator steam flow direction stators. And next step how much long we still relay on steam engine technology? That is bygone technology we must use superfast turbines without fossil fuel burning.
@DoNotEatPoo
@DoNotEatPoo 6 ай бұрын
Meh. I'm about to release the Ultra Super Duper Critical Turbine into production. It has over 87,000 stages and generates black holes.
@andreasnewitsch59
@andreasnewitsch59 6 ай бұрын
I'm wondering how much co2 this will take out of the atmosphere?
@KlingbergWingMkII
@KlingbergWingMkII 6 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as "high tolerances" the technically correct phrase is "tight tolerances".
@victoryfirst2878
@victoryfirst2878 7 ай бұрын
WHEN THE HELL WILL THIS JUST GET DONE ???? TIME FOR A CHANGE !!!!!!
@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42 7 ай бұрын
1:02 You might want to work on that graphic a bit more as the RED GAS FLOW has significant issues❗️Unless you are NOT using a cross section but some type of 3D flow which seems to be a bit nonstandard.
@geofferyromany4634
@geofferyromany4634 4 ай бұрын
I believe in the future the mining of space rocks will make the turbine needed for sco2 power generation.
@vinquinn
@vinquinn 7 ай бұрын
Why not use the high RPM directly instead of lossy gear boxes to drive generators? Drive a high frequency alternator and then reduce the frequency electronically to 50Hz or 60Hz or even DC for high voltage transmission
@danielevans9118
@danielevans9118 7 ай бұрын
just put a hand cranked generator on a step up transformer
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