Jean Hill & Mary Moorman and the polaroid pictures (Extended English Version)

[@YouTuber-ep5xx]

Why has the public never been permitted to see the confiscated photo showing the TSBD building while the shooting was happening? Why was Ms. Moorman's property never returned to her? Why was her property permanently confiscated, whilst Mr. Zapruder got a payday?

[@YouTuber-ep5xx]

I side with the 70s committee that concluded it was a conspiracy. Which is why the WC has to this day hidden the facts.@user-pv8jy1nt8f

[@EddieC3336]

The rifle on display today is not the same rifle in the Life photos check out the sling mounts.

[@EddieC3336]

You will never see a single piece of film that shows the complete turn, it was done.

[@bradevans7935]

4:52 "Polaroid number 4, which was taken towards the TSBD and may have showed the 5th floor window (I assume they mean the 6th floor), was confiscated and has never been published." 5:03 "What was on Number 4?" I think the more important questions here should be: Did Number 4 show the 6th floor window? Did it show anyone in the window? If so, who did it show? Who confiscated the photograph, and under whose authority (FBI? Secret Service? Dallas PD?)? Was the photograph entered into evidence? Where is the photograph now?

[@corymh9150]

Preach brother preach. 🙌

[@Slithey7433]

That was the first question that I had. WHO confiscated picture #4?

[@AdmoreMethod]

Polaroid #4 was confiscated because it showed the sixth floor window CLOSED at the time of the shooting.

[@joeenglert]

@@AdmoreMethod well,,if it showed oswald up there,it sure as heck would be publised in every rag in the country

[@AdmoreMethod]

@user-pv8jy1nt8f The FBI and CIA have everything… and, whatever they don’t want We The People to know… they label it “top secret.” We’ve seen them do this now with Sep11 and Jan6.

[@marisaranieri2745]

If there is someone dressed as a Policeman, or Secret Service Agent, as many witnesses, in the area of the grassy knoll, stated; and you were told to leave, as they also stated, then you would! People trusted the word of the Police and people of authority, then. After that dreadful day, not so much.

[@JOSE-D-USMC03]

THEY HAD MAFIA PEOPLE DRESSES LIKE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WITH CIA BADGE SUPPLIED BY THEN CIA DIRECTOR BUSH SR...

[@JOSE-D-USMC03]

THEY HAD MAFIA PEOPLE DRESSED LIKE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WITH CIA BADGES SUPPLIED BY THEN CIA DIRECTOR BUSH SR...

[@davidarbuckle7236]

But the point is, the Secret Service and Police had no one on the knoll behind the fence, which means that someone was presenting themselves as law enforcement and attempting to prevent people from looking behind the fence. Which is a clear sign of a Conspiracy.

[@geoff3103]

ESPECIALLY in the South

[@aaronz7056]

@@davidarbuckle7236 In that case, you will explain the logic in putting fake agents up there since of course the minute the REAL Secret Service announces they had no agents up there the existence of a conspiracy is promptly confirmed. Never mind that all credible medical, forensic, ballistic, film and eyewitness firmly demonstrates the shots all came from the sixth floor window anyway.

[@larrywheeler9917]

Most people in the plaza ran toward the fence and railroad yards up behind the grassy hill now called the grassy knoll. The area is a perfect ambush site to shoot a slow moving target coming toward the shooters.

[@zenica12]

yeah, but why did not all this ppl catch a killer if he was there? Maybe he was not there

[@MrLuridan]

...but it's way to risky to set up your rifle there, fire, and then make a getaway.

[@OCRay1]

@@zenica12 There was suspicious cars driving around the parking lot with men acting just as suspicious. According to the men working at the railroad. Also, people recalled seeing and even speaking to a man dressed like either a police office secret service agent, I can’t remember but I believe SS agent. There was no record of anyone posted to the area where he was seen and he was stopping people before the shootings. Plus, although two shots came from the tsbd, it’s literally impossible to get the second and third shots off as fast as the witnesses recalled, which was a shot( from tsbd that missed very very badly) followed by two shots almost right on top of one another. Many people heard more than 3 shots even upwards of six. I do believe the people who heard 5 or six shots were in a place where they more easily heard the shots and the echoes. There were definitely 3 or maybe 4 shots though and at least one had to come from the fence where many people saw smoke over there after hearing the shots. It’s also a location where it logically explains the injuries to President Kennedy’s head just as the wild miss that hit a curb and struck a man, and the shot that hit President Kennedy in the back and exited his throat could only logically have come from the tsbd or thereabouts. I’m not one who lays full blame on Oswald for this murder. I don’t give him a pass either. I fully believe he was a part of this plan one way or another but did he fire those two shots or was he “ a patsy “ just as he said he was. If he was truly the guilty and there was no conspiracy, why would agents covertly block his calls from jail and why was he not allowed an attorney when one had volunteered publicly to assist Oswald? It’s in the details and between the margins where this conspiracy becomes reality pretty fast. I apologize, I know there’s much more to this aspect of the story but it’s been a while, I strongly encourage thoroughly researching the JFK assassination, it’s a fascinating story that quickly however becomes very frustrating as you will likely learn that the Warren report is very unlikely.

[@MJayzStudio]

@@OCRay1 You know any places to find more information on this subject? youtube is censoring it all i swear

[@OCRay1]

@@MJayzStudio I have a very long list of videos on my channel labeled JFK I believe. If you have trouble finding what you are looking for let me know. Ive been studying this murder and the craziness surrounding it for a couple years now and the deeper you dive the more fascinating, and frustrating it becomes. I’ll do what I can to get you the info you are interested in. 🤙🏻 There’s some great videos books and websites that are very helpful. I agree with you that something is strange about how difficult it can be to find videos on KZbin on this murder. Especially the anti Warren commission stuff. But over the years I have found some good stuff and I keep finding new ones which is amazing because they shouldn’t be this difficult to find.

[@alssupersadgarden]

"I heard 4 to 6 shots, but they told me I didn't hear but three shots"

[@Bonsse88]

Zapruder film with soundtrack. Grassy knoll gunman caught on Orville Nix film. Same car and man in white shirt can be seen in Moorman photo. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q522mYFveL11eas

[@feedyourmind6713]

Cause that's all there were.

[@Bonsse88]

@FeedYourMind Were you in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963 at 12:30pm? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGKwpJl_jslkn6s

[@feedyourmind6713]

@@Bonsse88 Does one need to have been present to understand the ballistics, sound issues, etc... of this shooting?

[@Bonsse88]

@FeedYourMind There were more than 3 shots and more than one gunman. All you need to know.

[@Huffy1001]

I've seen the visuals + audio at 2:06 just the once on KZbin I've looked for it but not found it since. I can describe it, it was an interview with Jean Hill just a reporter guy with a mic in B&W Jean was still on the opposite side of the road, I think it must've been just a minute or so after the shootin' and Jean Hill pointed in the direction of the grassy knoll and said that's where (or possibly some of) the shots came from. Eyewitnesses saw a man run from the back of the grassy knoll to the back of the TSBD prob. for a pickup.

[@AdmoreMethod]

The gentleman on top of one of the roofs also witnessed a man running man from the fence and around the book depository and he immediately reported it to the police. But, the Warren Commission didn't call for his testimony during the investigation.

[@Keyblademster]

It was most likely removed for secrecy and censorship. I've seen the video too, long time ago

[@corymh9150]

They say they heard the shots coming directly in front of them. I understand the commissions attempted explanation that the sound in Dealey Plaza would have bounced and been difficult to pinpoint the origin. But if you’re standing that close it’s going to be very apparent where it came from. The said directly across from them which would’ve been grassy noll/picket fence.

[@richardcheese4722]

It wasnt just sound. There was smoke and the smoke can be seen in numerous photos and eye witnesses describe seeing the smoke.

[@corymh9150]

@@richardcheese4722 absolutely, the railroad workers who were standing on top of the triple overpass saw the smoke coming from the trees, clear as day. As did Jean and Mary Moorman. There were others from different vantage points that saw the same thing. Not to mention that the shots didn’t all make the same sound. It’s obvious it was triangular fire. At least 3 shooters from 3 different angles. Possibly more shooters from more angles. But for sure the knoll, the TSBD, and probably the records building.

[@glenperry2073]

@@corymh9150 the Newman's... Bill Newman said the shot came from behind him he was no less than 10ft away from jfk for the head shot

[@dolnick7]

@corymh9150 Actually, your first comment about the direction of the shots being difficult to determine is the accurate one. Zapruder, who would have been the closest to any picket fence shooter, notably didn't report shooting coming from his right. As for Hill's recollections, any witness who claimed to see a non-existent dog riding in the presidential limousine cannot be relied upon to give an accurate accounting of the number of shots fired or their source. (Multiple shooters is a ridiculous idea in the first place, given that it's unlikely that a conspiracy would advertise themselves; one man with a rifle was more than enough.)

[@glenperry2073]

@@dolnick7 denial is a horrible thing

[@AdmoreMethod]

Mary Moorman's 4th polaroid photo, which showed the Book Depository sixth floor window, has never been published because it clearly shows THE WINDOW CLOSED AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING.

[@joeenglert]

how do you know?

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@joeenglert I know because if it had been open, they would’ve published it along with the others. The ONLY time they destroy evidence is when it disproves their narrative.

[@BobK5]

Don’t be silly 🤣

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@BobK5 Don’t simp for the Deep State.

[@BobK5]

@@AdmoreMethod plenty of pictures out there showing the window open, eyewitnesses saw and described Oswald standing at the open window.

[@2012Iivestream]

@autoad Jean earned nothing. She didn't want "a place in history" and she didn't go looking for one on 112263. She went with Mary to take pictures of a cop she had the hots for.The further away from the events of 112263 the more confident she felt that she could tell what she knew based on what she'd seen and heard. This was typical of many witnesses who were there that day. Jean's memory and vision have nothing to do with it. She was healthy in mind and body right up to her death. R.I.P.

[@vincenzodangelo127]

This is what happened that morning of November 22, 1963 in Dallas and the Zapruder video speaks very clearly. The presidential limousine takes Elm Street and after a few meters the first shot fired by Nicoletti starts who, together with Rosselli, was hidden in the Dal Tex Building. The first bullet misses its target and hits the sidewalk of the triple rail crossing at the end of the square and a splinter ends up in the face of James Tague, a passerby who was standing there. The second bullet hits Kennedy in the throat, and as you can see in the footage, the president puts his hands around his neck and Governor Connally turns back to understand what happened. The third bullet misses and ends up on the lawn where it is later found by an FBI man and Deputy Buddy Walthers. The fourth bullet hits Connally who emits a grimace of pain as seen in the video and brings his right hand to his stomach because he accuses an immediate pain and then the bullet pierces his right wrist and plants itself in the thigh of his left leg. The fifth bullet hits Kennedy in the back of the head and the sixth bullet, fired by James Files hiding on the grassy knoll half a second after the fifth shot, shoots both Kennedy's blood and head back, and the brain leaking was due to pressure. of the sixth bullet that had left an apple-sized hole behind Kennedy's head, as evidenced by photos of 14 people bringing their hands to the same spot on their heads. I say with certainty that the bullets were 6 because it seems that a shot was fired about every three seconds, that is the time to reload the rifle. Returning to Connally, which is the key to clarifying the mystery well, there is a lot to say. 1) First of all, from the angle in which Oswald would have found himself firing, which was about 45 degrees, only Kennedy would have been hit and no one else, the bullet could not in any way make a deviation and then hit the governor. 2) When Kennedy is shot Connally turns around to see what happens and stays there for about three seconds, the time to reload the shot in the rifle; if the governor had been hit by the magic bullet, at the same time as the president, he would have had the same reaction as Kennedy and would have neither the way nor the strength to look back. 3) The governor Connally when he is wounded is still turned and you see a grimace of pain as I mentioned before him and then turn forward again and collapse on his wife's legs. 4) In the video you can see how Connally bumps his head in front of the glass that separates him from the driver's and assistant's seats. 5) Do you know why Connally was hit? Both because Kennedy threw himself on his wife's right shoulder, because bending over did not hinder the trajectory of the fourth bullet that almost grazed him hitting the governor, and because the shot was fired by Nicoletti from the window of the Dal Tex Building and reached the governor, because Kennedy was leaning towards his wife. So, not only does the first missile reveal where the shot really came from, but also what hit Connally. Indisputable and real evidence, but unfortunately denied by many, including the Warren commission which veiled so much evidence.

[@PersistentPatriot]

Wonderful comment my friend

[@vincenzodangelo127]

@@PersistentPatriot Thank you very much my friend :-))))))))

[@rollotomassi6374]

I agree with most of this explanation but Files was not there……and the large exit hole in the right back of JFKs head doesn’t have the correct angle if a shot came from the closest knoll area……look at Moormans photo and take a straight edge to it, it doesn’t line up…..the exit would have been on the left side…..unless the shot came from further back down the fence…..

[@vincenzodangelo127]

@@rollotomassi6374 Instead the shot is right from Oswald's position on the grassy knoll.

[@rollotomassi6374]

@@vincenzodangelo127 When I went to Dallas and the Archives there was an investigator there from the HSCA…..his committee was looking very closely at the Moorman photo…..he put a ruler from the supposed picket fence shot area and lined it up with the exit wound the doctors at Parkland were all adamant about……the angle does not work from that exact position, if it did fit the exit wound from JFKs head would be on the left side not the right…..possibly the shot came from a point from another direction…..

[@r.i.p.volodya]

All this footage is SO important.

[@MissPerriwinkle]

ur vids are awesome. much thx !!

[@TrueNovice]

This video was taken right after the assassination before her testimony could be corrupted by what she read in the newspaper or saw on TV and she is is saying 4 to 6 shots.

[@vernpascal1531]

Yes... she was right across the street some 100 feet from the Grassy Knoll. Only a Jackass would think their opinion or Authorities is better.

[@harbingerofsalt]

"As there was no dog in the car, the reliability of Hill's witness statement was undermined. However, 25 years later, it was revealed that a small white stuffed animal was on the back seat of the car. A child had presented it to Jackie Kennedy at the beginning of the tour of Dallas. This information was suppressed in order to discredit Hill as a reliable witness."- spartacus-educational.com/JFKhillJ.htm

[@enadolgel5504]

@@harbingerofsalt I think it's one of Jacqueline Kennedy's white gloves

[@enadolgel5504]

6 shots and no one reacts?

[@pauldavis5459]

@@harbingerofsalt It was a Lamb Chop puppet made famous by Sherri Lewis.

[@835YT]

The fact she heard 2 SHOTS is telling in the fact that, that bolt action rifle couldn't of been the only weapon !! PERIOD !!!

[@kryoboy36]

That's maybe because 1 shooter was Behind the fence on the grassy knoll with the other shooter being on the 2nd floor of the daltex building. Apparently both shooters fired simultaneously

[@johnhotz1400]

She said she heard two shots and then three or four more

[@jb-vb8un]

@835 - ya have no facts

[@williamkanegateshead]

Can someone please tell me where "Badgeman" is in the photo? I can see him in the close up but not in the wide photo.

[@tc7934]

It's so obvious that the fix was in from the start.

[@mikehood3424]

Was Badgeman JD Tippit or Roscoe White (?) Both was on in the railway yard that day and Tippit was killed and Roscoe White was nowhere to found after that.

[@aaronz7056]

Just give your middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as you accuse the man without evidence of being a murderer so long as it suits your crackpot "theories," never mind that Tippit was demonstrably nowhere near the plaza during the assassination anyway. White's known movements that day make it highly unlikely he could have been in the plaza during the shooting either.

[@mrsinister8943]

I read Mary moormans written statement on that day and she plainly says that as the limo turned on Elm and was coming towards her that she took two pictures then took another picture her famous one as the limo was passing her by. So where are the two other pictures at? Was she mistaken? Ive never heard her address the other two pictures in any interviews or anything like that.

[@AdmoreMethod]

The #4 polaroid was confiscated (and probably destroyed) because it clearly showed the 6th floor window CLOSED at the time of the shooting.

[@mrsinister8943]

@@AdmoreMethod I don't know cause in other videos that window is open if anything it would show no one there or someone that wasn't LHO or multiple people visible. Her original statement that day really confuses me cause in her own words she says she took multiple pics as the limo turned on Elm and was headed towards her. I alwayd found it strange how she gets in that spot to take pics of the president and all she takes is one pic and when he was passing her by. I dont think she's ever mentioned it in all her interviews I've watched. I dont know if she was just wrong in her statement or the pics just didn't work right or what but I've always wondered about her statement saying she took more pics.

[@OnlyThe1Son]

@@mrsinister8943 well.. she had a poloroid camera didnt she? so one pic every 10 to 15 seconds. so she could only take 3 pics in 30 seconds or 45 seconds. "The Moorman picture has been digitally enhanced for television documentaries. In the photo, blood and brain fragments can be seen exploding forward, which contradicts the theory that the shot came from the front. Moorman’s original photograph was never confiscated by the FBI and in 2008 she sold it on ebay for $175,000. On the contrary, a second picture taken by Mary Moorman that shows the sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository moments before the assassination was lost. The picture was confiscated by the FBI and never published. It probably shows Lee Harvey Oswald or anyone who may have been shooting at the President’s car"

[@mrsinister8943]

Ive heard about how some cameras back then took 10 seconds to take a pic but I've never heard that from Mary and also in not saying its not true but I'm not 100% certain that was the deal with her and her camera but let's say it is true and her camera did take 10 second intervals between taking pictures. It seems like she would have definitely taken more than one picture and at the most 3 pictures if she was lucky. I'm sure she had to have known about the 10 second intervals and would have planned it out in how she could take the most pics of the president and his motorcade. She could of taken one pic before the turn on Elm and as the motorcade was heading towards the TSBD which probably wouldn't be that good of a pic. I would figure she would definitely want to get a good pic of the president and his wife as they turned on Elm and was coming towards her and depending on the time of 10 seconds her 3rd pic would be as the limo passed her by as we see in her pic with the fingerprint on it that she sold for 175k. Even if she took just two pictures which seems like the actual plausible way to go then that pic lines up just how you would expect 10 seconds to go by. I don't see why she picks the best spot with the fewest ppl to take a pic and only take one pic. Any person would want to take the money shot and that is the president's limo coming right towards you after it had just turned on Elm and then one more pic as the limo passed you by if there is enough time cause im pretty sure 10 seconds doesnt pass from the turn on Elm to when she took her famous pic. I don't know if she's ever stated how her camera operated in any of her interviews. I could be mistaken and missed that part. I just always wondered why her very first statement that day she says she took multiple pictures and why she would only take one picture when she was at that spot to specifically take pics of the motorcade and she knew that spot would have the fewest people around.

[@mikeprevost8650]

@@mrsinister8943 it's because she was using a Polaroid camera, which required a certain interval between successive photos. You would press the shutter, and it would take a few seconds for the mechanism to eject a print from the body of the camera. You would have to remove the developing print before taking another shot.

[@paulej2871]

"There were 3 or 4 ...REAL CLOSE TOGETHER!!! "

[@randyharris3175]

She was wrong nobody else heard it that way

[@joed6261]

WE KNOW NOW THAT JAMES FILES WAS THE HEAD SHOT SNIPER FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL...THERE IS A PICTURE THAT MARY MOORMAN TOOK THAT SHOWS JAMES FILES TAKING THE HEAD SHOT, PLUS A HALICOPTER PICTURE SHOWING FILES FIRING FROM A PICK UP TRUCK BEHIND THE FENCE NEXT TO THE TREE....BADGE MAN ???? TP ??? DEVIE ??WORD THERE WERE AROUND 9 SNIPERS IN THE AREA

[@one2micreview846]

Check the black band version of Zapruder. Watch connollys right hand if you’re looking for the headshot shooter

[@one2micreview846]

Mal McKee yes they did and that’s why Jackie was then desperately trying to get “out” of the car. - think about it.

[@one2micreview846]

Mal McKee .... think you need to watch Zapruder again.... once JC starts to turn... Jackie doesn’t take her eyes him until the last moment... the governor’s wife does react.... so does Greer.... him and Kellerman in on it... kellerman doesn’t move the whole time

[@dondon747x]

The two people closes to the car JFK was in stated that they heard the shots come from the grassy knoll.

[@hankwilliams2761]

Take a good look at Mary's picture. Look at the cement shelter behind Mr. Zapruter. You can see 3 men and 2 rifles. Mr. Zapruter said he thought the shots came from behind him. He heard right.

[@c2itccase9]

‘They’ would obviously know how many shots she heard better than she would. Government always knows better.

[@jb-vb8un]

"they" still supported Ted Kennedy after the murder @ CHAPPAQUIDDICK

[@aaronpaterson1615]

Some researchers say the badgeman was Dallas Cop Roscoe White who made an admission in his diary. The Railway man might be the same guy I saw in a colour photo wearing a silver hard hat on TSBD footpath to the left of the entrance watching police go in, Lovelady can clearly be seen on the right in a bright red checkered shirt. Doorway I noticed in a colour movie camera (filmed from a car in motorcade on Houston as Kennedy limousine turning into Elm) shows Prayerman aka Doorman not wearing a red shirt so this proves Billy Lovelady ain't him!

[@jodyguilbeaux8225]

the old roscoe p coldtrain. i kinda figured he and boss hog had something to do with it.

[@mikedevlin803]

Everyone immediately pointed to the hill where the picture was taken!

[@I_am_Diogenes]

Seems out of all the people there that day these ladies were best positioned to be able to answer the question , "We there any shots from in front of you or were they all from your right side ?" . More than one shot , even in that tight of an environment , they WOULD be able to tell .

[@AdmoreMethod]

That's why Mary's fourth polaroid was confiscated (and never publicized) because it clearly showed the sixth floor window CLOSED at the time of the shooting.

[@JohnSmith-dh3kx]

@@AdmoreMethod Why do you think the window was closed?

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@JohnSmith-dh3kx You can see the sixth floor windows clearly on the few pictures and films that show the Depository.

[@JOSE-D-USMC03]

THE MARY MOREMAN PHOTO SHOWS JAMES FILES BEHIND THE FENCE AND TREE AND THE BADGE MAN....I HAVE PICTURES, BUT NO PICTURES ALLOW HERE, WHY NOT ??

[@chrisjones4717]

Why Has the 4th Photo that may show the TSBD Never been shown and was kept by our Government??

[@mikeprevost8650]

After almost 60 years, it's virtually certain that it is either in the sealed records, or no longer exists.

[@jimmylieb5225]

Yes. Inquiring intelligent thinking people would like to know. Among many other things associated with the assassination.

[@pat442389]

the "dog" she thought she saw actually was a stuffed animal of Lamb Chop that someone had given Jackie at Love Field.

[@MsVanorak]

that's the answer i was looking for, thank you. lamb chop was a t.v, star sock puppet with . . . . cheri lewis? i thought that was a u.k. thing.

[@pat442389]

@@MsVanorak We definitely had it on PBS (which is public broadcasting) in the US. I grew up in the Boston area during the 80s. It wasnt as popular as Sesame Street, Authur, Curious George, Barney or Mister Rodgers but i remember it. Im not sure if kids growing up in the mid to late 90s would know Lamb Chop though.

[@MsVanorak]

@@pat442389 she was american, i looked her up! she was popular in the u.k. in the 1960s and early 70s so must have returned to the u.s. when he fame faded a bit in the u.k. she had a really long career. well done her, lamb chop and charlie horse!

[@fatbelly2438]

was tippit the police officer / badgeman on the grassy knoll who was pictured shooting jfk?..

[@jimmylieb5225]

Quite a few researchers think Roscoe White. Very creepy fellow that joined the DPD not too long before the assassination as a photographer and photo analyst. Some think he was the one that manipulated the photo supposedly of LHO holding the rifle. Light angles disparities show it was a cut-and-paste job. White holding the gun with Oswald's face pasted on it. He and Oswald were Marines together earlier.

[@FGTFJT]

To bobharris77 Hill later gave evidence to the Warren Commission that was highly controversial. She claimed that she heard between four and six shots. Hill was also convinced that some of the shots came the grassy knoll.

[@kevinluby4783]

There were possibly three shooters with the same idea, there that day, Oswald just walked onto the set.

[@jb-vb8un]

maybe the " three shooters " escaped on the possibly getaway bus & all possibly had a window seat rererved for a possible JOEY HEATHERTON show ....

[@OnlyThe1Son]

nah... doubt it... the odds of that are far to slim.. if 3 random people who didnt know each other and all three wanted JFK dead, they could have chosen better times, locations to do it. the odds three people chose that place and time and moment to kill a president is impossible.

[@jimmylieb5225]

LHO was the set up fallguy-patsy. Typical mafia-cia modus operandi during that era. lone nut gunman my ass!!

[@jimmylieb5225]

oh look. jb is here again.

[@jb-vb8un]

@@jimmylieb5225 and once again ... NOT A SINGLE FACT - - - Nobel-prize winning physicist Luis W. Alvarez would shortly thereafter publish his own analysis of the Zapruder Film. Prof. Alvarez examined a number of different questions being posed at the time, including the number of shots (based on jiggle analysis), the shutter speed of the camera, and the President's reaction to the fatal shot. On the latter question, he concluded that the puzzling backward lurch was the result of a recoil effect (commonly referred to as “the jet effect”); this conclusion has been backed up by subsequent independent experimental studies.. In the current paper, the physics surrounding the shot that struck President Kennedy in the head (near-instantly killing him) will be examined in considerably more detail. Figure 1 shows an overview of the Dealey Plaza crime scene (using Google Earth Pro), including the locations of Mr. Zapruder, the Presidential Limousine (or limo), the sniper's nest, and the trajectory of the shot, which was fired at an approximate distance of ≈81 m (266 feet). The weapon purportedly used was an Italian military Carcano Fucile di Fanteria (infantry rifle), Modello 91/38 (Model 1891/1938), manufactured in 1940 at the Royal Arms Factory in Terni, Italy. 2 This weapon fires ≈10.5 g supersonic projectiles with a muzzle speed of 658m/s that remain highly stable in flight through air. The effect produced by such high-energy projectiles upon collision with a human head is catastrophic as has been characterized through ballistics experiments. In examining this, three separate dynamical phenomena will be considered in Section 2 that explain behaviors observed in the Zapruder Film, namely (1) the initial effect of the forces directly imparted to the target (head) by the projectile, followed by (2) the secondary effect of the directional release of explosive energy escaping the skull cavity, and finally (3) the nervous system reaction to a massive wound to the brain.

[@ringtalk3]

I spent some time with Jean Hill, both in Dallas & San Francisco. What a sweet lady. I have a picture of her, myself, and daughter Jacqueline.

[@wescalderbank9420]

Is that Jame Earl Jones' voice at the end??

[@one2micreview846]

Yes

[@alssupersadgarden]

"it was three or four shots real close together"

[@MediaSock]

Jean Hill: "I heard 6 shots" FBI: No you didn't, (Jedi mind trick) these aren't the shots you're looking for.

[@randyharris3175]

She was full of shit and obviously blind as a bat if she saw a dog in the car she clearly said i did not see anybody shooting

[@LVVMCMLV]

3 of the shots were just the dog barking...

[@randyharris3175]

@@LVVMCMLV funny as hell at first she said she did not see a shooter

[@randyharris3175]

Then 15 years later she said she did i actually read her book it was pretty good if you like fiction lol

[@enadolgel5504]

@CharlyRomeo2009 what do you distinguish in the enlargement of the photo? I see a right-handed man holding like a rifle in firing position and you?

[@zapdunga12]

What about the deaf mute Ed Hoffman? What about what Buell Wesley Frazier finally admitted in his biography? That he saw a man with a rifle leaving depository and putting the rifle in the trunk. He never told anyone for almost 60 years for fear for his family.

[@NostalgicChannel]

It is intriguing...Oswald a fall guy!

[@paraconti]

You can find the disclosure of the photographs on the net - they were released in 1993. The dog is a puppet known as a Lamb Chop type puppet. My point wasn't that she didn't change her story - but that her original, first reaction account was genuine, esp about the 'dog'. Therefore all the other facts (in the first account) was correct too.

[@larrywheeler9917]

Strange she mentions a dog in the middle of the seat. She is so solid on everything else . Did anyone give Jackie a small stuffed dog with the red roses they gave her?

[@futuremath08]

I have seen a still photograph in a book where Jackie is holding the lamb chop puppet.

[@thomaspick4123]

Inside the Lamb Chop puppet was the Derringer CIA agent Jackie shot her husband with twice. If you see the photos of the bloody back seat, before they cleaned it and destroyed the evidence, you can see the puppet on the far right side of the seat. End Game. 2022. Rachel White and Richard Hooke. Amazon Kindle. I just started reading my third book of theirs. Rachael has done a great job of putting the pieces together and telling the story.

[@craft-o-matic399]

​@@futuremath08What is the name of the book please? Author?

[@futuremath08]

@@craft-o-matic399 It appears in the book High Treason by Harrison Livingstone.

[@mksd1236]

A single shooter ideal ‘nest’ was the TBSD building looking straight at JFK coming down Houston, but for a team of shooters wanting effective cross fire opportunity it was Dealey Plaza.

[@mikeprevost8650]

exactly. Even a mediocre shot could have done it easily.

[@jimmylieb5225]

mike sadler: 💯👍

[@LoneNutter1]

@FRTothus I'm sure one can find unicorns if they have their eyes open. Matte layering does not explain how a double image appeared through the sprocket holes. But you've never answered the question why the film was altered? One last question, how do you explain the images in the photographs taken by Jay Skaggs?

[@kerathbehnashiren5639]

Does anyone have an idea as to what was in the fourth polaroid photo -- that was confiscated from her , and never returned to Mary ?

[@MiJaHa]

Probably a usable photo of the shooter?, or one of them?

[@jb-vb8un]

" probably " one of the 22 time travel nazs on their way to the COWBOY game

[@LoneNutter1]

@FRTothus Did you read Zapruder's testimony to the Warren Commission where he said he did not stop and re-start the camera? Or did you read that he said that from another source?

[@LoneNutter1]

@FRTothus I have. I'm asking if you read it and saw where he said he did not stop and re-start the camera or did you read about his testimony from another source.

[@daviddreyer5817]

LoneNutter1, the more sources that you use the more rounded you can be. Do not listen to one side open your mind and listen. Find out where they are coming from. Open up you mind. Try to put your self in some one else's shoes. All a have different experiences.

[@Bonsse88]

Download a copy of the Mary Moorman photo and zoom in on the "black" car roof at the top of the grassy knoll above the wall near the corner of the monument. Also watch the Orville Nix film again closely in the same area of the monument.

[@OnlyThe1Son]

and what? dont see anything

[@Bonsse88]

@chrisangel872 Zoom in on the corner of the pergola at the top of the grassy knoll. There is a car roof and man with a white shirt in a very good firing position. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Moorman#/media/File%3AMoorman_photo_of_JFK_assassination.jpg

[@Bonsse88]

@chrisangel872 Zapruder film with soundtrack. Grassy knoll gunman caught on Orville Nix film. Same car and man in white shirt can be seen in Moorman photo. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q522mYFveL11eas

[@OnlyThe1Son]

@@Bonsse88 I dont see anything... I see three men standing under a tree,, they didnt have a gun come on... and there is nothing else up on the fence on top on the knoll.. nobody there dude.. also wow what a terrible quality picture... I might be seeing two men standing on the wall at the far right???

[@Bonsse88]

@chrisangel872 That is the original Moorman photo, as good as it gets. Car roof and man in white shirt is on the right side of the picture towards Zapruder. Above of the wall at the corner of the monument.

[@LoneNutter1]

@FRTothus So if the Z-film was altered it means all the other photos taken in Dealey Plaza had to be altered so they would match the altered Z-film?

[@daviddreyer5817]

LoneNutter1 You have posted 32 replies to this one video. That is the equivalent of talking over someone and it shows that you are not listening to others and you are a LoneNutter1.

[@Wombah-rc6zz]

People have challenged this talk of "a dog in the middle of the seat" but it was in fact a stuffed toy dog given to the Kennedys earlier that morning.

[@randyharris3175]

Nope you are wrong you have jean hillitis

[@yogizorch]

It was actually not a toy dog but Lambchop, a sock puppet of a popular show called Shari Lewis.

[@jimmylieb5225]

I watched her with her lambchop muppet on the TV as a young kid back then. Was 8 on that horrific day.

[@gogogeedus]

When Jean Hill says there was an interval, could she have been talking about when the car stopped just before the final shots, there is no interval in the Zubruda film.

[@darkcloud9581]

the Zapruder film has been edited that is why you do not see the limo coming to almost a complete stop ......you also see where they tried to cover up the huge wound in the back of his head with black.......a great video to watch is JFK: The Zapruder Film Mystery you tube.

[@danielfronc4304]

@Mal McKee If you watch the Zapruder film, frame by frame, on another post on KZbin you can see a dark splotch on the back, occipital part of his head. Also, it requires some searching on KZbin but it there is an extensive interview of an employee of a Kodak lab, who also happened to be a former U.S. Navy photographic intelligence analyst who was called late in the evening, either saturday or sunday, by his very highly placed boss at the Kodak lab telling him to go to lab and open it up, that another photo developer would be joining him and that a man would be coming in with a film and to do whatever that man asked them or told them to do. He is highly specific about this unknown man and what he wanted done to the film. Then the analyst does go into specific details about what the man wanted and what indeed was done, and I do mean highly specific, ie. : 1) cut out of the film a frame showing a bullet striking a lamp/sign post, 2) excising the frame which shows the slowing down to the point of almost stopping of JFK's limo, 3) inserting what the developer/analyst said was a "shadowing" over the back of JFK's head where they could see his boney plate of his head swing out and up, and 4) removing the frame showing or mitigating the blood & brain matter that flew, as the analyst said, 3 - 4 feet upwards behind Kennedy. This Kodak man was high up in the Kodak hierarchy due to his abilities and extensive experience as a navy photo analyst, including handling and analyzing U2 films from flyovers of Cuba during the October - November missile crisis. He lays it all out as to what was asked of him and what was done to the film, which was intercepted from the Life magazine courier on it's way from Dallas to Life's headquarters. In light of what he said, he should have been a "loose end" that needed tieing up.

[@mohs7234]

It is known on good authority, that that the U.S Naval intelligent officer who worked at Kodak was named : Alek J. Hidell

[@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary]

@@danielfronc4304 Yes Doug Horne sort of introduced him to the world I think his name is Dino Brugianni or something close to that last name.. And they have gotten rid of most of his interviews on KZbin as far as it seems..

[@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary]

@@mohs7234 Where do you get that from?? What's your source? Just for research sake.

[@Racerkey999]

Here's a clue. The "OTHER" Moorman photo is of her boyfriend McBride. at 4:45, the entire photo is seen. Freeze the screen. That tall tree behind him has been daubed in with a sponge to simulate tree foliage. That tree never existed. Look at other photos from that day. No such tree covering that corner of the windows of the TSBD. Only the sparse row of shorter shade trees along the front of the building. Someone has taken the time to "retouch" her Polaroid photo. With ink. Hiding WINDOWS. Nothing to see here...

[@kimmiller6509]

You are correct And a rifle was found on the top of the loading dock roof- Directly below those windows; on the west side of the TSBD.

[@richardlyon3694]

More than twenty-five years later, that a small white stuffed animal was on the back seat. A child had presented Jackie Kennedy with a stuffed animal similar to Shari Lewis' Lamb Chop. That's the dog she saw - don't be so quick to dismiss Jean Hill.

[@laceybarkley5739]

Nonsense! There are high quality pictures of the president and first lady taken from buildings looking down on the motorcade. There was never, ever a dog or stuffed animal in that car. Mary Moorman later had a falling out with her friend Jean Hill over the latter's later lies about what she claimed she saw. Jean Hill died with zero credibility and it will be how she is remembered. Conspiracy nuts have even less credibility. Read Vincent Bugilosi's 2007 book on the assassination and free yourself from these liars like Jean Hill, Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone.

[@vernpascal1531]

Shut up with that lone nut garbage! There are so many things wrong about the JFK Assassination I'd be here into next week listing them all. It only takes one good witness for the Warren Commission ,to be exposed for the sickening sham it was. There is a massive amount of good info. for at least one shot from the Grassy Knoll and at least a dozen good reasons against the Magic Bullshit Theory.

[@NostalgicChannel]

@@vernpascal1531 Well said!👏👏

[@adamantiuscloudcat1799]

@@laceybarkley5739 Yeah because NO ONE benefitted from. His crime.

[@ernestkovach3305]

@@laceybarkley5739 you are wrong. There was a stuffed animal in limo.

[@steveg18556]

I think the “Babuuska lady” took the Moorman photo. How else could the motorcycle cop be in the pic? (he wasn't between JFK & Moorman)

[@LoneNutter1]

@FRTothus Do you know who Jay Skaggs is? Do you know what he had in his possession for nearly 40 years? Do you know what was revealed in his photographs?

[@tom9258]

Did she say the president was looking at a dog in the middle of the street? I never heard that before. And if true I wonder if that was somehow planned to get the Driver to slow down or come to a stop to allow a brief moment to get off a better shot..

[@chuckfan1]

Nooo, Jackie had received a Lamb Chop stuffed animal doll that morning, which was on the seat with them. Thats what caught her attention. She only probably could see a little of it on the seat, so assumed it maybe was a live animal. Easy to mistake what she thought she saw... Google it

[@cynthiaharrell2144]

Not everyone is wrong, and there are many, who saw smoke and commotion coming from the grassy knoll. I believe all of them.

[@LoneNutter1]

@FRTothus When, where and to whom did Zapruder say he filmed the entire motorcade, didn't stop and re-start"?

[@brianw2678]

If you listen closely, she says she did not see the shooter. She just heard it. But, in another KZbin video, she is on The Maury Povich Show and she says on there she saw a flash of light and a puff of smoke coming from the Grassy Knoll - I think she wrote a book, too. hmmmmm...

[@aaronpaterson1615]

There was a dog in the middle of the street, is there any footage of a dog in Dealey Plaza.

[@wizardglick1]

Did she say dog? I thought I heard dog also. At :20 second. I thought she said " seat".

[@aaronpaterson1615]

@@wizardglick1 G'day Mark, since I last commented I saw a video with a bloody small.dog in the limousine, not sure if it was realnfootage from Dealey Plaza to Parkland Hospital but there was certainly a little hairy dog on Jackie's side of the limousine photographed by somebody? somebody might be playing a trick on us, but tuat woman did mention a dog

[@wizardglick1]

@@aaronpaterson1615 Good Morning, after I commented I read more reply'.s The consensus seems to be that someone gave Jackie a puppet, like Lambchop. With Flowers. I guess there is proof of that. It also seems like people tried to discredit Jean Hill for saying that . Now she is proven correct but it wasn't a real dog it was a dog like puppet ( stuffed animal).

[@aaronpaterson1615]

@@wizardglick1 Good work Mark, I saw a Jean Hill talk video "sixth floor museum" youtube when asked about her friend's book she debunked some myths her friend Mary Moorman added in the book.

[@aaronpaterson1615]

Correction Jean hill told some fibs in her later book, Mary Moorman correctED the mistakes or lies she told in later years. JEAN HILL was the first person to coin "GRASSY KNOLL".

[@hankwilliams2761]

Why is the picture cropped at 220.

[@xander7ful]

@VIDEOTIMEMACHINE That's correct. He didn't grab his chest. He put his hands up to his throat on the first shot, slumped forward, then became upright. I think the photo she got shows him on the second shot. Don't know where his hands were then, but doubtful they were at his chest.

[@davidkite7077]

Was that James Files in a Dallas P.D. uniform?????

[@ernestkovach3305]

No.

[@PostalWorker14]

You don’t see back of presidents head coming off in Moorman photo was it altered

[@charlottewalker6490]

What happened to these two ladies.? Does anyone know?

[@furripupau]

The Muchmore film shows Moorman is standing with at least one foot on the curb when she took her photo. Moorman is actually out of frame and in the sprocket hole area on the Zapruder film when she took her photo. People keep pointing out that she is standing on the grass BEFORE she takes the photo in the Z film, and totally ignore that the curb and her feet are obscured by the motorcycle in front of her (in the sprocket area) in the Z film when she actually snaps the shot.

[@mufudzaonline]

the so called mary moorman photo is not hers but the babushka lady's photo based on the angle it was taken (it had passed her), with the police officer in the frame whereas mary's photo she was directly looking at the president. For over 50 years people thought it was her picture while it was not. Maybe the reason why she was given the wrong one is that hers might have shown more than they wanted to show the public.

[@dks13827]

How come her story changed so much later ??

[@billymcswain6320]

Because she was offered royalties from books of she lies and said she saw a shooter behind the fence when she didn't even see JFK shot at all as she was looking at a cop the entire time. Look at the Zapruder film to see what I'm talking about

[@billieboybuddha4238]

@@billymcswain6320 Why would someone look at a cop the entire time?

[@polara01]

She admitted in Old interviews that her attention was on the cop because they were flirting with McBride and some of the other police officers and although they were looking at the president at he was going by with the motorcade they were also focused on the police officers that they were hoping to make some time with not that unusual when you put it in the context of young women trying to date or marry police officers they certainly had a better chance with the cops then scoring a date with the president LOL just check out Leroy Blevins senior Channel and you will find out everything you need to know about the reality of these two young ladies

[@dks13827]

@@billieboybuddha4238 She was a single babe, that's why. She admitted it.

[@jimmylieb5225]

billieboy. she was young, single, and fancy free with a thing for handsome cops

[@AN-vt8qq]

What kind of car is it...LMAO

[@EddieOrfield-y1i]

I love her response.

[@torpedodropkick59]

the angle is wrong if she took the photo, or the zfilm is altered so she 15 feet away?

[@shernitadee]

" they told me, I didn't hear but 3 shots"????

[@SK-rr8op]

Hhy polaroids number 1# and 2# are so much better quality ?

[@one2micreview846]

#5 was taken by a different camera.... moorman photo taken by babushka lady. Check the angles

[@autoad]

@2012Iivestream My next question is :Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?

[@joshatchison3301]

So the "Moorman Photo" really shouldn't be the "Moorman Photo" because it came from the position of the "bubuska Lady" AKA Beverly Oliver (supposedly Beverly Oliver)

[@margaretlouiseable]

God bless her. I've decided that most of the horrible things that have happened to us in my 66 years came at the hands of the CIA. I despise them.

[@johnhotz1400]

I can't help but think about all the dead Vietnamese and American boys because the CIA just wanted a war to make money.

[@jimmylieb5225]

The conspiracy debunkers on these elmer reenberg videos are, I believe, retired cia agents with too much time on their hands.

[@bebo5558]

Those people close to the presidents car, were lucky they weren't caught in the crossfire!

[@brianzybura8633]

They had no worries because the bullets came flying from within the limousine itself, not from any building , the picket fence and possibly the storm drain. The night before at a party at Clint Murchison's house governor John Connally was there with Johnson, oil executive and all those 'wonderful' guys. Of course Connally knew what all was coming the day after. No chance in hell was he going to ride in Kennedy's car if the bullets came flying from somewhere else. The gunfire came from someone WITHIN the presidential limousine--the question is who.

[@bebo5558]

@brianzybura8633 Yeah right, if all five, six, seven bullets came from the inside the car, then how did Kennedy get the wounds in the back of the head?

[@brianzybura8633]

@@bebo5558 Kennedy did not receive a shot in the back of his head. That is sheer nonsense. All reports medical and other wise reported Kennedy received fatal wounds from bullets that entered the front of his neck and the headshot struck him on or near the right temple. Now, how come is it that every film you can see on internet channels such as the Zapruder films at the very moment of the assassination there are many little white blurs--no high definition which a computer can put in the clear?

[@fallspeed]

Maybe the lone-nutter trolls can give us a non-sinister explanation as to why Moorman's #4 Polaroid disappeared? It apparently showed the upper floors of the TSBD. If it depicted a rifle sticking out of the window, don't you think it would have been on the front page of every newspaper?

[@fallspeed]

@Std Disclaimer Why don't you try replying with an argument instead of a fact-free insult?

[@fallspeed]

@Std Disclaimer I have no doubt that it was the most intelligent thing you've said on social media in ages. Now go play somewhere else, troll.

[@fallspeed]

@Std Disclaimer Quote from an FBI report: "Mrs. Moorman advises that the photograph she took showing the police motorcycles preceding President Kennedy's car and also showing the Texas School Book Depository Building was given by her to Secret Service Agents John Joe Howlett and Bill Patterson shortly before 4:00 p.m. November 22, 1963." Five Polaroids were taken by Moorman: 1) Photo of Mary getting out of a car 2) Photo of Jean Hill getting out of a car 3) Photo of Officer McBride 4) Missing photo showing the TSBD 5) Photo of head shot with grassy knoll in background

[@fallspeed]

@Std Disclaimer I just replied to your other post. I studied this subject for many years.

[@fallspeed]

@Std Disclaimer Well, got any other smart remarks? You just revealed your profound ignorance of this subject for all to see, genius. "Moorman has said that she shot another photo a little earlier, showing the sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository, and thus the assassin himself (or not, depending on your beliefs). She says she gave it to a law-enforcement officer at the scene, and that it subsequently disappeared." www.polaroidland.net/2012/02/21/instant-moment-dallas-1963/

[@DenisMorissetteJFK]

Polaroid #4 confiscated? By who, when, and proof of your claim, please. Thank you.

[@JoeyKO757]

Denis Morissette watch JFK, in case you don't want to know the F.B.I. took her pictures

[@JoeyKO757]

Denis Morissette watch JFK, in case you don't want to know the F.B.I. took her pictures

[@DenisMorissetteJFK]

JFK is a movie!

[@JoeyKO757]

Yes, it's a movie unless you have been living under a rock sence 1992. Oliver Stone's JFK

[@Realbillball]

@@JoeyKO757 That movie is full of lies.

[@daviddreyer6109]

Jean Hill said 3 or 4 shots were after the President slumped down. Ist shot missed, and hit curb ricocheted and hit man down by the triple underpass on Commerce Street underpass. 2nd shot hit JFK in upper shoulder as a enterance wound and left out his throat and went through front windshield. 3rd Shot hit Governor Connelly in the right shoulde as he turned around. It came out the governor's chest, hit his throat and graised his thigh and maybe lodged into floor of the limousine possibly. Shot 3 was possibly a miss from the Badgeman behind the wall behind the Pergola. It overshot the limousine and nicked a manhole cover in medium between Elm Street and Main Street and tunneled under the grass. 4TH Shot came from grassy knoll's storm sewer vent, which was the kill shot with a frangible bullet entering JFK's temple area above his ear. It exploded fragmented pieces inside his skull, ripping up a piece of his skull leaving a large gaping wound in the back and go left from rear. Blood and brain particles flew up into air which trailing motorcycle cop was splattered with. Mrs Kennedy dove after the skull piece and Secret Service Agent Clint Hill dove on back of the limousine and rescued her. Then the limousine speed away.

[@josetrevino9107]

When was badgeman Eposed

[@psmith9789]

Not "the 5th floor window". LHO was supposedly on the 6th floor.

[@autoad]

@2012Iivestream You're still holding back on me. How do you REALLY feel?

[@ScottA2345]

Don't make much of what they said about where they thought the shots came from. It is often very difficult to tell from which direction a rifle shot came from. This is why snipers usually don't care so much about the sound of their shot - they care more about the muzzle flash revealing their position. Also, if you were standing in a spot and a high powered rifle were to be shot so that the bullet passed in a straight line in front of with you being perpendicular to that line, the sound will often appear to be coming from directly in front of you - which is consistent with the statements and the facts here.

[@ericg3810]

That is why you rely on the pictures for evidence. Moore's picture and the Zapruder film each show the exact time the president was first hit. Compare those and tell me where a shot came from.

[@mikeprevost8650]

@@ericg3810 the best evidence of where the fatal head shot came from is the Zapruder film, which shows the reaction of JFK's head and upper body to the shot. It's totally consistent with a shot fired from the front and to the right. Time-Life Corp. bought Abraham Zapruder's film for $1500,00 right afterwards, and locked it in a vault for many years. In an edition of Life magazine published shortly after the assassination, they showed stills, but reversed the frames to make it appear that the head shot pitched JFKs body forward, and used text asserting the same thing.

[@elainemax2]

Hill and Moorman were both wearing black shoes (see Poloroid #1 and #2). When you see them in the Z film their shoes are painted white. hmmmmm. Also in another picture in this presentation one's appears white and seems like one is half black.

[@rogerscottcathey]

Mary said recently she didn't agree with Jean's recollections in Hill's book, I'm not sure which.

[@rogerscottcathey]

Hill's story changed. First she saw no one shooting but saw someone running up the hill. Then she saw smoke, then she saw someone running away...

[@7seriesmax]

Polaroid number four would have shown the fourth floor of the school book depository with Lee Harvey Oswald, and the rifle. That’s why there’s no photograph number four. I want to know why if Kennedy was shot at a downward angle why there’s a bullet hole in the windshield above the rearview mirror. That shot would’ve had to come from directly behind him in the building adjacent to the school book depository. Which by coincidence number four Polaroid would have shown also.

[@jakespop67]

Her own words years later ! In a 3 part interview !

[@BabyBoomerChannel]

2 points: a. Has photo #4 been subsequently released? b. Ive never heard any other witnesses saying that JFK&Jackie were looking at a dog in the street. It doesn’t mean anything - except gives credence to these two ladies as the witnesses who were closest and most focused on JFK and Jackie at the time of the shots.

[@chuckfan1]

Not a dog in the street, a stuffed animal on the seat between them. Google it

[@t-bo-lesotho]

I read that Mary Moorman gave polaroid #4 to the motorcycle cop she photographed and he stated that he lost it.

[@carydavidhoffson6014]

They were talking photos but were are not more people on the street with them there should have been a lot more people at that spot and on both sides of the street all way down the street just like the rest of the streets had a lot of people before the car got there

[@Dbassman999]

That was striking me also. Why where there not more people on the grass and on the pavement at dealey Plaza?

[@therealpinoyhapa]

They saw JFK's head explode through the camera. Then they saw gun smoke coming from behind the picket fence. Frontal shot?

[@LoneNutter1]

@FRTothus to alter the images with Zapruder maintaining possession of the camera and film until it was developed and copies were made while he waited at the location where it was processed. If the Z-film was altered was was the alteration suppose to prove or disprove? The film isn't essential to prove a murder took place. Most killings aren't filmed or photographed yet we prosecute accused people every year based on the medical, physical, forensic and ballistic evidence.

[@daviddreyer5817]

LoneNutter1, The Zapruder film you are correct there was three copies made st the Kodac Facility out at the airport that night. One was given to the government, one was kept by Zapruder Lawyer and one was seen in Zapruder office the next day and was put up on auction and was seen by Dan Rather. The bidders bid but in less than 10 minutes Zapruder sold it to Time-Life. Two issues of Look Magazine had sellected stills in the magazine. It the went to the Hawk Eye Facility in Rochester New York and was made into two sets of Still Photo Storybook enlargements. For 13 years nothing was done with the film until it was shown on Geraldo Rivera's late night Night Line tv show. Time-Life sold it back to Zapruder and motion picture and tv broadcast rights were bought by Time-Life for $250,000. Then they sold back to Zapruder for ONE DOLLAR. The Government bought back the original for $6,000,000. and Zapruder gifted to the National Archives for tax purposes another copy, there by writing off his taxes.

[@one2micreview846]

problem is.... moorman photo was taken by babushka lady. Cross reference the image against muchmore film for the angle

[@jet1149]

They were standing right next to each other, and they both had completely different stories of what happened, it doesn’t even look like Miss Hill was even looking at the car at the time of the shooting according to Z film, directly across the street was Bill Newman and his story was different from theirs, people will say anything to be a part of history

[@Dragbike900]

No test were taken for powder residue around the sixth floor depository window, where Oswald was shooting. they just found residue on a gun laying on the floor with three spent shell casings, and residue on Oswald’s hand from picking up shell casings days before, but they never did any testing of gunfire residue around that window to verify Oswald took the shot or anybody from that sixth floor bookstore depository Window.

[@mrsinister8943]

Is it true that Polaroid #4 was confiscated and has never been seen by anyone? If there was a conspiracy then i would think that they would have expected or at least thought about if anyone took pictures and photographed any shooters especially all those people there at dealey plaza that day. With the angle from the 6th floor then you would have to be standing at certain spots to get a good picture of the gunman and she was standing at that spot where the TSBD was in the background. That says everything if its true. I'm not saying its not true but I know you have to watch what you believe in this case. That would make at least two photographs that went missing that supposedly showed the gunman or two people up on the 6th floor. Norman simili I believe thats his name is the other lost picture that was lost by a Canadian newspaper in Toronto. Norman claimed his picture or the negative showed two people while also one man who claimed Norman showed him the picture said he didn't see two men on the 6th floor in the picture. There's always contradicting knowledge regarding this assassination it seems. If she took that picture as the motorcade was turning on Elm then that pic could be the smoking gun. I just feel that if it showed LHO as the gunman then we would of seen that picture a long time ago.

[@OnlyThe1Son]

even if there was a picture of the 6th floor, from where she was standing with that camera and the far distance to the 6th floor his face wouldnt have been shown anyway... PLUS... wouldnt the CIA want a picture with a person with a gun at the 6th floor to shut their case?

[@t-bo-lesotho]

I wish we could have heard from the Babushka Lady as well.

[@jimmylieb5225]

Her picture 3 shows the DSBD bldg with the westernmost 6th floor window open. some believe this may be the window additional shooter(s) were firing from perhaps including Malcolm Wallace.

[@peterkilvert2712]

The close-up photo of the gunman looks like he was wearing spectacles, possibly safety specs, he parted his hair on the right (which is usually the girls' side) and he had a reflective badge on his left breast, so possibly a police uniform. It looks like the photographer even caught the flash of the rifle.

[@LoneNutter1]

@FRTothus No. It's the same Zapruder film. In fact you can see people looking up at the TSBD in the Elsie Dorman film.

[@davecooke7868]

Was badgeman Tippet ? Sure looked like him. Is that the reason he was killed?

[@edwardscissorhands4007]

Why hasn't anybody mentioned how FINE both these ladies were back in 1963/64???

[@rongenung]

The President and his wife "were looking at a dog in the middle of the (street or seat?)." Was there a dog there that day? Jean Hill said this in several interviews.

[@arsenpfister5704]

You did not hear 4 to 6 shots you didn't see someone firning from the knoll. We are the experts and that's what you got say are else big brother knows what's best for you right !!

[@shanefromsydney2025]

Fact !! Jean Hill and Mary Moorman only went to see the motorcade to take photos of a police motorbike rider Jean had a crush on, not to see JFK or Jackie. 50 years later Jean remembers it as going to see Jackie. It must have fizzled out with the cop !! Like that babushka lady she still hasn't been found. She had a video recorder too. That woman claiming to be babushka would have to be like 4 years old at the time.

[@stevemill8959]

And what kind of a car was that?….. wtf???