Jeep 4xe Battery Fires: Are Dealerships Ready?

[@SquidwardhatesEVs]

I think Jeep needs to take the Jeep Wrangler 4xe off the market, it's just common sense. Thanks for the unbiased video Patrick👍

[@mikehagen3785]

Should of never existed

[@pulaski1]

​@kehagen3785 I can't imagine who would want to buy one? 🤔

[@Alex-ql2rb]

Underrated channel. I watch all your videos.

[@scillyautomatic]

underrated because people hate to hear the truth about EVs

[@charmcitytoe]

@scillyautomatic Not EVs so much as Lithium-Ion technology. The public is kept grossly uneducated about the hazards and attention required with LION tech. We bombarded with commercials and products claiming how great it is; but are not told how to properly manage them, be aware of signs of problems and respond to major problems in a serious way. I am surprised that there have not been more deaths. Sadly, that is probably what it's going to take for the industry and regulators to declare it a problem. Battery makers really need to step up their game.

[@chrismanning1746]

Excellent content

[@JaniceVineyard-kf6wm]

YT hates this topic among others, too much educational truth.

[@MyGoogleYoutube]

@scillyautomatic Yet the content creator is deleting the comments that are in support of them. Fair and balanced especially if you need confirmation bias in your comment deeds. But maybe it's a yt glitch?

[@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl]

What could go wrong? They are having a fire sale on EV batteries at Moss Landing California.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "They are having a fire sale on EV batteries at Moss Landing..."

[@condoguy810]

Excellent channel for learning about the dangers of electric vehicles. Two thumbs up!!

[@ChortleChortle]

Finally, cars now explode like in the movies!

[@georgeszilva1223]

Yes Indeed!!....

[@darthdaddy6983]

It’s like we’ve opened the 4th dimension & all the crappy movies are coming true.

[@peterkelly6146]

They should be bared from all National Parks

[@godwindracing6056]

How about Michael Bay directed film where baddies drive EV

[@BrianSkinny-n5f]

Hollywood got something right for once? lol.

[@andybrowne2117]

Very good , this man talks the most utter sense !!

[@shirleyjjones7958]

A big reason car insurance costs are skyrocketing. Only electric cars or hybrids should be charged for these increased costs.

[@theairstig9164]

As opposed to the 2017 VE Commodore which is being stolen because GM don’t make replacement panels for it any more. Or the 2010-2022 VW Golf because the dealers have consistently told owners to take them to court rather than do warranty work

[@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG]

you got that right!! wife and no tickets or accidents and our policy keeps going up :(

[@olemissjim]

Gas and diesel vehicles burn more as a percentage and in raw numbers compared to EVs.

[@shawnkelly695]

My insurance went up 20%. No tickets or accidents and drive less yet went up 20%

[@shawnkelly695]

​@@olemissjimseverity makes a difference. Gas and diesel are easy to put out.

[@WhyInnovate]

Great to hear that you did a fire safety course for EV’s super needed! The big truck leasing companies were waiting for this too. I’d reach out to them !

[@Decentralized_Maze]

This is exactly why I follow you and I'm from the environmental, health and safety field. You rock!

[@petehalasz7547]

So you're the cause and catalyst of the tree hugging.. when you learn how to read on energy density,,, you will run away from your EV propaganda..

[@Decentralized_Maze]

@petehalasz7547 Do you stereotype everyone? I'm from the EHS field, but actually on the OPPOSITE side (environmental remediation, hazardous waste management, auditing, training, emergency response, energy production from our LEGACY systems, etc.). What's even funnier is that I was the environmentalist on the climate side since I was a very young child. However, from day one literally, my viewpoints were logical and forward thinking. Yet I realized as a child that the system was NOT. So, I stayed on the legacy side to learn as an environmental activist what is the truth, how the system needs to operate, what obstacles industry faces, etc to become the better and non-existent version of an activist. One that actually knows logical methods, cheaply to free, and can balance appropriately. So..... welcome to an alternative EHS and climate type. I'm sure I'm one of 10 people 😜.

[@lisashiela9137]

When the Hamas pagers were exploding, the first story was that explosives were planted in the supply chain during assembly. Some analysts speculated that the pagers were hacked, electronic pulses, forcing the lithium batteries to overheat and explode, but that story died almost immediately, though. What if e.v.s that received over the air updates could be targeted also? Would that throw the e.v. market into chaos?

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

I think that's what Tesla cars driving Max speed with the brakes disabled is, a specific hit

[@maxkendal5152]

Whatever the issue is, Stellantis didn't intentionally design any of their vehicles to explode. Rust, fall apart, fail mechanically, be unreliable enough to support the entire repair industry, but not to explode or burn everything in the area.

[@AlanWolf-d7l]

Only good thing coming out for EV are the solid state.

[@kradius2169]

Modern cars being hacked has been in several Hollywood productions (2017 / Fast & Furious 8), hacking of Blackberry's QNX in a Mini may have been involved with Anne Heche (Google: Anne Heche stretcher), and Netflix has Elonmobiles being hacked in Leave the World Behind.

[@GF-mf7ml]

They also lock and trap people inside, make as much damage as possible.

[@warlord8954]

Screw EVs of all kinds, and brands. They aren't worth the price, the repairs, the weight, and the dangers.

[@MyGoogleYoutube]

It's just a tool. For some it's the right tool. For some it's not. For us it's prefect. Cheaper to drive than our 48mpg diesel sedan. Stupid fast. We aren't trying to save the planet. Just save bucks and go fast sometimes. Adding solar to the home soon. It's going to get cheaper to charge.

[@jessicaandtrains7768]

Even with a hybrid you are adding great complexity, a battery you constantly carry, electric motors (along with the regular engine) all the software and microchips needed to manage, run, charge and maintain the battery etc. It's completely unnecessary. Just have a lighter and simpler regular petrol or diesel. It's a complete farce.

[@MyGoogleYoutube]

@jessicaandtrains7768 Our 2018 Chevy Volt is absolutely awesome. It is the perfect tool for how we need a car. 50 miles on battery 42mpg on gas. I can assure you for us it is not a farce. But I'm guessing your opinions are formed without the experience of owning one for a few years? Yeah. It's complex and when the warranty sunsets decisions will have to be made. @jessicaandtrains7768

[@SocialistDistancing]

Not including the high cost of repairs. Buying problem. We have enough problems, we don't need to buy more.

[@MyGoogleYoutube]

@@warlord8954 interesting. I'm making reasonable comments based on personal experience with a plug in hybrid and they are all being delete. Fascinating. It must be KZbin deleting my comments and not the cat making the content?

[@thexfile.]

All EVs are potential rolling crematoriums.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

Gasoline is volumes worse, and it’s proven. Go by percentages; percentage of vehicles fires based on vehicles sold/registered OR *ask most any professional firefighter*. It’s also elementary level math and science. Want to know how much worse a gasoline fire is VS any EV? Find th eansser in an elementary school textbook and/or any periodic table.

[@nosferatut9084]

Yes but at least the estate beneficiaries are spared cremation costs .

[@stevebabiak6997]

But they are one time use only …

[@johnking9942]

How does the high heat of thermal runaway effect the lift in the repair bay? I would think the lift would have to be at least inspected and or replaced.

[@markdanielczyk944]

I'd put money on it the lift would be severely compromised.

[@nelsonv741]

There should be so many more subscribers to your channel! Good Information!

[@StacheDTraining]

It's a slow process.

[@martentrudeau6948]

I rented a hybrid Jeep Wrangler and drove from Southern California to Tucson AZ., using Interstate Hwy's 8 and 10, temperatures crossing the desert ranged from 105 to 110 Fahrenheit, running the air conditioner the whole way, gas mileage was terrible, I made more fuel stops than I planned for. Hybrids have an ICE engine, EV battery and motor is far more complex than an ICE vehicle. And this hybrids didn't work well in extreme heat, it's range was claimed to be about 300 miles, It didn't get anywhere near that kind of mileage.

[@StoneyRerootkit]

Suppose You Had Tried to Tow 👀a Trailer With That Jeep??😮!!😢💸💩🌵

[@chrisE815]

It's a design issue, not a hybrid issue

[@RobertWilliams-mk8pl]

Ironically, it might be prudent to ban electric cars from California

[@StoneyRerootkit]

Realistically, It Might Be Prudent to NOT Move To Commifornia🎉🐍💸😩💀💩

[@haroldb1856]

Ban all cars from California. It's the only way.

[@tiov3001]

“This vehicle is known by the state of California to try to kill you, even in your sleep.”

[@davidedickjr]

Your videos are a hugely informative resource. I value your no-nonsense analysis. Thank you.

[@borabora4480]

Stalantis - all you need to know

[@samholdsworth420]

Stellantis*

[@kevinbrown1368]

These spectacular fires seem to be common in batteries coming from new production facilities where financial modeling is being used to assess the impact of undiscovered deficiencies rather than tearing down tens of thousands of battery cells to look for defects in production. The first response has typically been software updates based on speculation of the problem to try to limit the occurrence of these fires until the production problem is confirmed and a proper recall proceeds to replace the defective batteries.

[@lukeanakar]

yes exactly, Stelantis has been doing this for years. the new wagoneer was a disaster. Companies like Stelantis and Boeing can NOT be allowed to cut costs. They are putting peoples lives at risk to pay for there executives champagne and caviar.

[@JustinTurdoCastro420]

What a great business model! Don't do the testing yourself, just slap a product together and the consumer will pay to do the testing! PERRRFECT!

[@GOPRepubliklan]

Yes, Ford just announced another Maverik recall for faulty batteries where they can just all of a sudden go open circuit and the entire system goes dead (including hazard lights) and their fix supposedly is a software update to tell you your battery is defective. But HOW WOULD IT DISPLAY THE MESSAGE? You can't make this stuff up.

[@MK44950]

The final assembly line is full of ct scanners and they do tear-downs in a laboratory. The LG energy solutions pouch battery cells are about a foot long and are very delicate and easy to damage when handling them. With all the possible ways a cell can get damaged in the automated module assembly line i think dead cells are just gonna be a common issue. also a fork lift driver could drop the pallet of modules in a trailer and damage them that way.

[@mikejackman6140]

Great work my friend

[@DBVintage]

And this is why folks should consider keeping their old-school jeeps with the 4 L in line 6 engine or the 4.2 L in line 6

[@douggolde7582]

But look at the way the suspension soaked up that explosion.💥

[@andyspark5192]

Software issues in batterie management sounds like lame excuse. Charging requires voltage and current control. How bad is the Software if it can't control the charging from the beginning? There is most likely other issues not SW related.

[@RinoaL]

A decade ago I worked at an EV startup, and we took apart a 2014 jeep EV compliance car, if that is anything to go off of, their engineering is severely lacking.

[@rkan2]

Which EV did Jeep have in 2014?

[@RinoaL]

@@rkan2 just a compliance car for CARB or whatever. Don't know what they called it.

[@treesixtyeight]

GM had an EV fire at their Proving Grounds. A GM spokesman was quoted as saying, "These will be exposure events."

[@iancarrington1967]

Battery cars, an unreliable solution to an imaginary problem.

[@markh.6687]

Actually, there are an incorrect AND unreliable solution to a serious problem. But if we get China and India to follow US-type environmental laws, the biggest polluters would cease to provide the vast majority of CO2 and other pollutants. EVs will barely make an impact, per engineer John Cadogan's Auto Expert channel.

[@j._.taylor]

​@@markh.6687 CO2 is not a pollutant, it's an essential trace gas in the environment. It's plant food, and plants/trees convert it into O2, which humans & animals breathe in. Without it, all life on our planet would perish.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "an imaginary problem..." okay but i invite you to tell the residents MASSACRED by the double CAT 4 Hurricanes of Helene and Milton and MASSACRED by the great 2025 LA Mega-Fire, that since they now find themselves homeless in the Winter (with unprecedented cold temps and snow on the ground in both Florida and Louisiana) to deal with the "lack of shelter" problem they're currently experiencing, by just "imagining" themselves and their children all sleeping in warm beds. mind you be prepared to RUN because i don't think this suggestion will go over well... j/s.

[@stephenwood9687]

@@markh.6687 Trump seems to have reversed the US environmental laws! A bigger climate improvement would be to ban cruise ships rather than petrol cars.

[@markh.6687]

@@stephenwood9687 On a "pollution output" basis you are probably right.

[@AndreInThe416]

In colder climates where salting is done on roads, have the risks to battery protection been addressed? I doubt it.

[@peterpowers4851]

Insurance companies must love those.

[@goiterlanternbase]

What is your opinion on structural batteries? How serviceable should a battery pack be?

[@ElmoUnk1953]

I’m SO GLAD I didn’t get one these things! I’m content with my 3.6 Pentastar 2020 Rubicon

[@MK44950]

I work at the new Nextstar battery plant in Windsor. Its a insanely complicated Automated process where at least a thousand things could go wrong. I thought heavy asf battery modules were outdated but here we are making a whole 60 billion dollar plant for them.

[@Cucumberflavoredmustard]

Insurance companies are already steering this where it will go. One of our complexes has enclosed garages on the bottom level. Forbidding EV/hybrid parking got us a 160k discount on our premium this year.

[@regnar19881]

I bought my Wrangler last year. The dealership kept trying to push a 4Xe on me. I wanted a diesel, but those were all recalled. I drove away with a gas-powered Wrangler (and NOT a crappy little 4 cylinder moter!).

[@bobdaniello3370]

Just had mine checked out, everything came up ok, i read a check engine light will come on if the battery is acting up ....how many units were sold and how many fires.

[@alskooper3319]

Wear track shoes 👟. Be ready.

[@bobdaniello3370]

@alskooper3319 Question, how many actually caught fire?

[@alskooper3319]

@@bobdaniello3370 don’t care, don’t own one, good luck

[@Mike-f5r]

Patrick, are dealership repair bays designed with proper fire suppression to "limit" or contain a lithium battery fire until the fire department can arrive? Thinking most dealers need to upgrade sprinkler systems to cover lithium battery fires. Glad no one injured in the Belgium Jeep explosion, that looks very serious.

[@StacheDTraining]

It depends on the service bay. Many do not have suppression.

[@animusadvertere3371]

Imagine how bad the fires in California are going to become once they achieve their dream of 100% EVs.

[@timothystevenhoward]

Since the fire creates its own oxygen how do you remove the oxygen or let it burn out in the middle of a building. There needs to be an ejection or containment room

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Rows of individual, roofless, brick stalls, outside.

[@phillyphil1513]

Q: Since the fire creates its own oxygen how do you remove the oxygen(?) A: as demonstrated by the RAGING INFERNOS and Haz-Mat releases at Moss Landing, Otay Mesa, and Critical Mineral Resource locations, WE DON'T.

[@RichardBolger-c5b]

Don’t park these things in your garage….

[@reinhardtkk]

These vehicles are banned from a new mall in Vancouver

[@peterrotrovich1402]

Which mall ?

[@reinhardtkk]

@ Brentwood in Burnaby

[@stevedenis8292]

What is the insurance like on these thing can you even get any?

[@ts757arse]

Chief 'tache, For vehicles like this that appear to vent into the cabin, would you suggest dealerships invest in gas sensors to pop in each car? And which is better - keeping the windows / doors closed during work / storage to contain the gas and minimise inhalation during evac or leaving them open to minimise explosion risk? I looked at building combination sensor systems for EVs and home battery packs, but the liability isn't something I can take on. It does seem that a combination system for monitoring temperature, CO2, CO and H2 would be potentially very effective and could even listen for high pitched whistling or other noises related to failure using machine learning (detection when inaudible / reducing false positives).

[@RinoaL]

Dealerships seem to not even be ready for petrol car fires, so I don't think I'd trust them with electric vehicles. Seems to be a pretty regular thing of dealerships catching fire (at least in the midwest when I lived there) due to stupidity or negligence, let alone design faults.

[@markh.6687]

Dealerships have dry-chem fire extinguishers to fight fires. But gasoline/oil/other flammable fluids and 12V components can usually be extinguished. The traditional extinguishers are useless on lithium battery fires. Hope they've got sprinkler systems, which may at least save the building from major damage.

[@RinoaL]

@@markh.6687 Most dealership fires I've seen, the employees didn't know what fire suppression stuff they had lol

[@markh.6687]

@@RinoaL I'm not too surprised; management usually says safety training is "too expensive" and "we've got work to do". Bosses don't even do a 5-minute reminder on safety equipment. So unless the individual stops and thinks about things like extinguishers, first aid kits, etc. they won't know what's on hand.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Dealerships seem to not even be ready for petrol car fires". no worries, this is where inspections by the local Fire Marshall come into play.

[@RinoaL]

@@phillyphil1513 Sadly inspections don't seem to be evenly applied.

[@scanadaze]

Homes to vehicles. What's the major difference. I have been saying this since the first fire. Vibration. The battery packs are in the and connected to the frame. Where the highest vibration occurs.

[@antoinepageau8336]

I’d be curious to know who made the batteries for Jeep. If it’s LG that would explain a lot. GM, VW, and several others had similar problems with prismatic LG batteries.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "I’d be curious to know who made the batteries for Jeep..." A: i believe it's the Samsung SDI Megacorp.

[@ultra4suzukisamurai679]

One burned down in Hillsboro Oregon too.

[@rjbiker66]

I think there are recalls on Porsche Taycans for battery issues. They are trying to resolve with software updates.

[@Doctorbasss]

Software update will usually reduce the SOC target in ordre to reduce swelling stress in the cells and reduce risk of separator damage. That seems exactly what Chevrolet did with the Bolt battery recall few years ago. I agree that this is a Patch, not a definitive solution. It is very important to recall that battery SOC is in very close relationship with thermal runaway risk and intensity. Brigning these battery to low SOC while being parked and waiting for servicing is crutial. Fortunatly, Some EV like Tesla Have this feature in their service menu that allow you to discharge the battery without the need of driving the car.

[@Darren-r9b]

What if one of those pop off in a traffic jam and no where to escape it? Or the cars in front behind side to side?

[@For891]

Tunnel

[@ataraxiadreaming9]

I worked at a CDJT dralership, and this will be a much bigger issue as time goes on.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

Same here. Take a guess at the dealership warranty costs?

[@kimfleury]

This is sad. The Jeep brand name has a proud legacy. I know it's business and not sentiment, but a lot of workers once built a brand their kids could be so proud of that they wanted to be part of it. I'm thinking of the son of a deceased Chrysler retiree, who himself just started collecting his pension. His driveway is a collection of older model Jeeps that he works on and sells. They're good vehicles, trustworthy and reliable if they're maintained a little. Tell a school child you drive a Jeep and they're so impressed, especially if they find out it's the older body model. It's a shame to besmirch the legacy with the Green Raw Deal.

[@NatesHomeTours]

I don't know why you would want to go out and buy the 4XE. I had a Grand Cherokee 4XE as a rental last year, and the battery was worthless. A whole 24 miles if you were lucky from a full charge. I never plugged it in and only used regen to charge. So out of the week I had it I got to use the battery 2 times. When on just battery it was slower than my 1980's Datsun 310 with bad valves. Just to merge onto the freeway I used 1/4 of the battery charge going from 10mph to 65mph and took almost a hlaf mile.

[@spectrumboss6696]

Li Ion batteries are prone to dendrite growth within the electrolyte layer. This can create a low resistance path and short between membranes. This is often the cause of the thermal runaway. There are so many battery chemistries and IP surrounding them. Some manufacturers have reduced the risk. It may be a while before batteries in general are safer. Part of that will be cost and IP. I really enjoy your work. I have been involved in business for years and sometimes it keeps me up at night.

[@Ghauster]

The biggest problem is that Stellantis had a CEO who didn't care about anything in the North America market. That's why the guy resigned just before being ousted.

[@AnthonyJones-vk6xq]

I have got into the habit of not parking anywhere near either an EV or Hybrid.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

If one does, and that EV has issues; you’ll get a brand new car out of it. Btw, there are no hybrid issues outside of Stellantis

[@offgridmangogrower]

What info is out there on lithium off grid battery systems? After watching these fires and explosions…has left me uneasy…my system is 48 volts. Using Victron charge controllers….please chime in …there must be issues that are being silenced.

[@brunonikodemski2420]

One problem is that the battery packs are typically "sealed" to prevent water intrusion. As such they are a "bomb" when pressures inside exceed the containment structure, which is usually some cheezy sheet metal or plastic. I believe Three Mile Island had this same problem. Maybe the engineering should include a "vent stack" whereby the pressures could be released before actual dynamic ruptures. But, that is just another leakage path, so tradeoff.

[@stacysanders-w3e]

One hundred ninety four thousand vehicles recalled and they still catch on fire. This is the future of personal transportation.

[@declanfaughey8471]

This is what happens when a company cuts costs and corners. Do a job right and do it right the first time, as then you will not have to cut costs and corners. I work as a tradesman, and nothing costs more than redoing a job or trying to find a fast fix.

[@evognayr]

We live in a country ran by white collar people.

[@kaydars]

That's right. You can either do the job right the first time, or you can do it right the second and third time.

[@nobiedupree5916]

My trailhawk 4xe is in the shop for the 7th time. Waiting on parts that may take months to get. The whole front end is falling apart. Bolts shearing off everywhere. The sway bar link broke off. The front axle was replaced. It's got 6600 miles on it. Brought in October 24. It's a mess. I won't drive it.

[@michael.randall5034]

You cannot have cars like these driving about, simple. As a fire engineer now retired there are three fundamental problems with EV's Firstly, a severe lack of reliable or baseload power especially in the UK and most countries with few exceptions. Secondly, many do not want or cannot afford of charge at home, 50% in the UK. Thirdly. Lithium Ion batteries are a massive safety issue and they also carry a huge far loading, they need to be changed. The point is Lithium ion batteries are a known fire risk and have been so for 30 years before they were ever put into Ev's ,battery storage and other applications so these fires are no surprise to me and may others. It is also irrelevant how a fire may start so even if they are a secondary fire caused by say arson the dangers remain!! they are totally unfit for purpose.

[@jay315-z5k]

Well this isn’t surprising. Apparently the new Dodge charger EV is having battery failures and one fire has already been reported. Wagoneer S is also having issues. Stellantis also tried software updating both of those vehicles, which hasn’t worked. Also, the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid is having issues and has a major fire risk. Love your content.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

Chrysler will not likely last until the 2026 model year. Note only is the manufacturing sincerely bad, but Stellantis just doesn’t care. Almost all Chrysler dealerships are losing volumes of money

[@jay315-z5k]

@ exactly. I bet that CDJR is split off by this time next year. Dealers have to give 10k+ in rebates to get customers to buy their vehicles. Stellantis dealers are apparently ranked as the worst dealers by brand. Apparently only 90 people have placed orders on the Charger EV because it is such a bad car and people don’t want it catching on fire in their garage.

[@1976Datsun]

Nice work on the video. p.s. you sound like you're saying HybrEd, with an E. Pretty sure it's HybrId, with an I. Hybrid.

[@oweya342]

With the jeeps the location of the hybrid battery is underneath the floor pan where it is suseptible to water intrusion. Personally thought it was an extremely stupid idea to have a big battery like that in an off road capable suv that can get into water crossings. The ram 1500 hybrid assist is questionable aswell of where the battery pack is, right behind the driver behind the driver's rear seat back

[@andyharman3022]

Jeep: Avoid charging your vehicle until we fix the problem. Owner's Neighbor: Nice brick you've got there. And it's not even safe to sit in. Owner: Hello Dewey, Dickem, and Howe, Attorneys at law. How much to start up a class-action lawsuit?

[@ElementofKindness]

Interesting times, with consumers paying exorbitant money for mediocre vehicles, while also being the R&D department for the previously mentioned vehicles.

[@465maltbie]

Who are they buying the battery from?

[@devinjackson1298]

Yeah,there's a problem with these, too many are having the same fire risk.

[@genebohannon8820]

Are the batteries made in Chin'nah?

[@killmozzies]

To save money it looks like the roof was only spot welded to the body in several places.

[@johnnewell5025]

So how are dealers dealing with a whole lot full of these vehicles?

[@nikonmark37814]

I just want to say not all hybrids are created equal. I drive a 2019 Honda Insight EX hybrid and it's been completely reliable and efficient, I can drive 500 miles or more on less than 9 gallons of gasoline. The problem with Jeep is their engineering, Honda and Toyota make fantastic hybrids and someday when prices are reasonable I plan to purchase a midsize EV pickup truck or a high mpg hybrid pickup until then I'll drive my Insight!

[@RobK-x3x]

Just saw a Ford 150 fully on fire. Apparently that happens a lot

[@pilotmiami1]

bravo.go ahead

[@WhyInnovate]

Lithium NMC are 100x more likely to firebox then LFP batteries

[@brandonobaza8610]

I'm using one as a rental for the next two weeks. Fantastic. 😂

[@Health_at_every_size_PDX]

Saw 1 on fire here in oregon and warned the 911 dispatcher it had a lithium ion battery so they could advise responding firefighters. Toyota prius had no issues for decades and automakers need to copy that design if they make hybrids.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

Irony Every single hybrid vehicle on the market *except for Stellantis* is using Toyota patented and licensed technology

[@wadimszymocha7463]

Toyota used Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries and in 2021 started switching to Li-on.

[@cvrart]

What's the cost - and carbon impact - of the recall? Seems like the recall, itself, may negate all the theoretical benefits of the technology.

[@eviljagtech]

I had a battery pack I was taking apart to salvage the cells for and accidentally moved it the wrong way shorting them together and I can tell you that little 36 cell pack got HOT fast. I had kinda planned on me messing something up so I quickly throw it in my sand bucket and put it in the middle of my yard. Now I have fire buckets as I don't trust my RC batteries as my collection has increased. I will say that in my experience ANY EV that needs to be worked on in a shop should have it's battery discharged to the minimum as it's proven low charge batteries are less of a fire hazard. I don't think though that there is any equipment available at this time to discharge the battery safely.

[@ampere-mam]

Just Expect Every Problem

[@timtompkins150]

Really makes you want one doesn't it?

[@phprofYT]

I wouldn't touch a Jeep with a 20 foot long fire hose.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

Neither would Jeep Remember the frame weld issue? That issue costed several hundreds of people their careers. Imagine having a state inspection certification and then losing it

[@Vladviking]

I'm thinking plenty battery problems if anyone puts their E-Jeep thru what a typical 4WD can be subject to.

[@whatcouldgowrong7914]

The fact they can even sell these with such dangerous defects tells you more than anything. They will work around a “hardware defect” my artificially limiting charging rates or capacity. The only way this will change is when manufacturers are held legally liable for damages and death at a high level.

[@vladimus9749]

Has anyone been following these EV battery issues closely enough to understand root causes? I suspect there may be some issues fixable by software, for example bad config settings allowing individual cells to get too high or low. But that has to be a minority because these would get caught early in testing. Aren't most issues caused by manufacturing defects, especially with cells themselves?

[@phillyphil1513]

Q: Has anyone been following these EV battery issues closely enough to understand root causes? A: YES. re: "I suspect there may be some issues fixable by software..." A: NO.

[@SolAce-nw2hf]

Stellantis uses LG Lithium-Ion batteries which are always of the NMC chemistry. It has this in common with the Porsche Taycan, Jaguar i-Pace and just about every other burning EV or plug-in Hybrid in recent years. It's time to switch to LiFePO4

[@JoshsGadgetsandMore]

LiFePO4 doesn't lend itself well to EVs. It's heavier for same capacity as NMC and can't be charged below 32° without self heating batteries which would consume considerable power and really hurt range.

[@GrahamPearce-ib9om]

You are onto it! And why do some some manufacturers use batteries with this chemistry? It’s all in the pursuit of greater range.

[@SolAce-nw2hf]

@@JoshsGadgetsandMore The range difference is not that big, especially if you take the 80% charge rule into consideration. You can charge LiFePO4 to 100% every time without extra degradation. Most current EV's have decent thermal management, heating the batteries for fast charging on the go. In really cold climates I would feel much more comfortable charging a LiFePO4 powered EV inside a home garage. And to be honest, a plugin hybrid makes much more sense in really cold climates anyway. Every car out there has less range in the cold, so if Santa is your next door neighbour, forget about a full electric vehicle.

[@michaellalanae7228]

🔥🔥🔥🔥it's not as bad as jeeps bottom line ,

[@iain3411]

When they start having unsold vehicle fires at the dealerships is when things will change. Not when it's owners who have them at home.

[@martinsoelby5902]

At the moment I would never buy a Stellantis manufactured car. The Stellantis Peugeot e 3008 has issues with the front suspension coming apart while driving, As for fixing problems not related to IT with software updates is just crazy.

[@michaelmackey754]

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[@StacheDTraining]

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[@marksingleton7199]

If they catch fire, its an insurance problem. If they take the cars back it would mean a significant loss for Jeep. Porsche has sent out similar letters to not park near houses or in carparks. Their insurance changed due to the letter admitting that their was a manufacturing issue. In some cases, manufacturing issues are not insured. If a car leaked fossil fuel due to a defect, it would be taken off the road under law yet ok if an EV.

[@pcs9518]

Unfortunately Stellantis won’t take this seriously until someone is seriously injured as there are police agencies that have parked brand new Durangos for years now waiting on a fix for defective engines.

[@seldoon_nemar]

I'd argue that EV's are probably the most likely vehicles to spontaneously combust today.

[@phillyphil1513]

IT'S A TOTAL RECALL...!!! just like i told a GM Engineer in regards to the LG/Bolt/Kona, don't think for one second you're going to BS consumers into thinking "software" is a fix for Thermal Runaway because it's not. as you see they ultimately had to resort to $1.2 Billion (with a "B") recall involving wholesale replacement of the packs of all the effected Vins. like the Ignition Switch Recall finally initiated in Feb 2014, the larger liability was simply too great.

[@chrismanning1746]

Ohh no not again

[@717dash_cam]

Not saying I would expect techs to us them, but dealerships should have fire blankets on hand. I wonder, how many dealerships are putting EVs on standard lifts and potentially causing damage to the vehicle/battery too. I really don't see a resolution from Stellantis, they're barely if at all solvent with the years long supplies of vehicles on their lots. The owners insurance companies should be going after Stellantis for reimbursement. They know there's a defect, and they're pussyfooting around the issue with software updates.

[@roybm3124]

Yeah clearly a software problem of the self destruct script

[@Starship007]

LG chem batteries? Remember the Bolt with LG chem batteries. Recent MOSS fire in Monterrey LG chem storage batteries

[@warthogA10]

We need to, ..no, ..we MUST begin passing laws to close this market down or place much harsher/stricter regulations regarding EVs and these storage battery systems.. and really take a closer look at every aspect related to it, mining, processing materials, end of life/recycling issues, and these problems which plague them all.. We've even seen the potential problems and dangers related to self driving vehicles being used on public roads, where a customer got stuck in a driverless car at an airport as it drove around in circles.. There is a very thin line between technologic advancement and stupidity which has the potential to seriously harm, ma me, or end lives..

[@bigblue3125]

LG chem?

[@digger105337]

Buy an EV and say goodbye to repairs and maintenance, they said! I suppose if it burns to the ground before anything wears out, it's kinda true. But if you have to bring it in for service, and it still burns to the ground, not so much.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

Irony; EV and hybrid issues: Stellantis accounts for over one half of all incidents

[@karllongan9535]

CDJR has been trying to fix low build quality with software updates since the late 90's.