Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7

[@trinitynightclub1]

Hey Lex I listen to podcasts in the time I can and consume to learn. Yours is now my favourite and I downloaded and blew through all of them. Because they don't need the visual piece, I learn so much while I commute to work or other places. Please keep them going I love them. Thumbs way way up 👆

[@carlostorres656]

By watching this video I now understand why I follow this channel and I read the comments, is some kind of futuristic intellectual community, this is the kind of place I feel more meaning.

[@jackreeceejini2522]

This is the first time I have really found something interesting to watch on KZbin. I watched the entire Deep learning for self driving cars series, now I am going to watch the entire AGI series. This is good work.

[@jackreeceejini2522]

@Hopi Ng Nice to meet you too

[@tsooooooo]

Jeff's the mannnnn. Thanks to you Lex for putting this together, your pertinent questions and ability to listen and let the guy talk.

[@benniegirl1533]

How cool is it to be so enamored with your career that it becomes a passion...the excitement of the guest...makes me happy for them😊

[@jkk23-g7c]

Jeff made me super excited and passionate about programming. Thanks Lex for bringing him in.

[@geoffreyvanwyk4588]

Yes, him and Joel Spolsky.

[@alexxisek160]

i cant even believe its been this long.... this seems like a few months ago!! going back n re-watching the classics!! @Lex Fridman

[@arunasvabhuyan9131]

As a first year Software Engineering student I find this pretty inspiring. Good thing I came across lex on JRE

[@italianbeans877]

How are you doing now? Still majoring in SE?

[@blaineprickett8045]

I'm curious. Where are you now?

[@cogoid]

21:44 _"being passionate about stuff is a really valid way to look at the world, and I think it's a way a lot of stuff in the world gets done."_

[@vuongbinhan]

Still counting to the day Lex decides to shave his head and become MIT Hitman

[@frother]

He would look more like Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver.

[@filmerd]

Has the term "Intellectual hit-man" been coined yet?

[@inception252]

lmao

[@inception252]

more like MIT prison break

[@hargunbeersingh8918]

I am planning to adopt Lex's dressing style because I really like the simplicity. I might get bald so I'll become the "MIT Hitman" :D

[@AnitShrestha]

Higher Level Abstractions --> For Loop, Recursion, Stack Trace [56:05] Great conversation! Thanks.

[@pothecary]

Beautiful conversation. Inspiring!

[@malekbaba7672]

Thank you so much Jeff Atwood for your amazing website

[@TheHellogs4444]

B e a uuutiful. This stuff is so close to my heart. I'm relatively young, I only read his blog because of references and grew up with stack exchange. I'm now learning to appreciate the things he talked about (working with people and getting shit done, vision, etc) and he's articulating this half internalised stuff so well.

[@cesardavidloaizaquintana9544]

Code Complete by Steve McConnell Masters of Doom by David Kushner The books mentioned

[@turalschannel]

He's the man! What he did in Stackoverflow made me love programming!

[@bonvabriones]

"hundreds of orders of magnitude better" than my expectations. Great conversation. Thanks for sharing.

[@MrSushant3]

Basically, the Savior of all computer programmers. Thank you for this. (:

[@romandzhadan5546]

Great conversation. Thank you!

[@vainoleppanen8971]

1:02:09 I wasn't taught source control during my engineering studies 2007 - 2011. Then again if I hadn't learned it on my own, it would've been taught to me immediately in my first internship. While I was surprised that source control wasn't taught, perhaps there's something to say about leaving certain things for the employers. I'll leave room for that argument but given that source control is such a central piece of the work and so easy to get started with, I can't understand why it wasn't taught.

[@jeffwells641]

"The hardest person to see on the planet is really yourself" That really reminds me of the idea of "headlessness": You look at yourself and what do you see? Look down you see your feet, your legs, your torso, your arms, but where your head should be you find the rest of the world instead.

[@qlee50]

Codinghorrors is a must read for all developers, was an inspiration for me early in my career

[@aqynbc]

Jeff would do a great actor (looks like Matt Damon). He has a great presence in front of the camera. Jokes apart, he is very interesting to listen to. I love the way he shares his passion. Thank you again Lex for preparing this interview and uploading.

[@smartwolf9045]

Yes now that you said it, I can't unsee him in a detective movie. I could imagine lex being the detective, interogating him during an investigation, over a coffee.

[@aqynbc]

@@smartwolf9045 Funny right? Yes, you are right about lex being the detective! Have a great day Sir.

[@smartwolf9045]

@@aqynbc 🙏

[@laughingvampire7555]

one fundamental thing about learning is that needs fun

[@aleksagordic9593]

Really cool guy, totally different talk than all the others in the AGI series (part of because it wasn't about AI/AGI). I recently finished my studies, we also didn't learn anything about the source control (learned it during the studies though by myself) and that pretty much tells you that the education system is lagging big time. I also liked the moment where he said that spending too much time with the computer kinda makes you behave like a computer (concise/impatient/rude). Oh my, reminded me of Linus Torvalds haha. And I agree, In order to be effective long-term you sadly realize that you have to "stop programming" one day in the sense you go one level of abstraction up, into the realm of human language where you don't delegate tasks to modules/objects but to fellow humans. Refreshing, thanks a lot!

[@peterschaeffer]

I have spent a lot (many, many hours) of time on SO. SO has provided a great many answers, that I use every day. Is SO at bit hard on beginners? Actually it is. Is this a big problem? Not really. A bigger problem is that SO bans 'opinion' based questions. For example, a typical (banned) question might be 'what is the best IDE?'. Of course, that is a matter of opinion. However, I have learned a lot from reading people's opinions. SO is a big plus for the developer community and should be praised for it.

[@obfuscator]

This was great conversation, enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for sharing.

[@olek.figiel]

He gives a lot of extremly useful advices.

[@johannashi1274]

Jeff's really good at talking!

[@chaojianwang8938]

what a great interview!!!

[@bestintentions6089]

love your no-nosense way of doing interviews

[@mytwosatoshis4052]

just finding out about this guy.. Love him

[@yawarjamal909]

I want to see Lex Fridman interview Lex Fridman.

[@sreramk1494]

@LexFridman Awesome interview! Can you please interview Elon Musk on AGI if possible? I really want to know his detailed view on AGI- his ideology on this subject and how it compares with other's. Thanks in advance!

[@sreramk1494]

@@Belowzeroism I don't think anyone is an AGI expert today (it will be creepy it someone claims they are an expert in AGI). I'm not considering him to be an AGI expert. *But neglecting what he says, simply because he receives a lot of criticism from "experts", is a shame* (because no one knows anything about this). It is worth to know everyone's viewpoint on stuff that haven't been discovered yet. For someone like Elon Musk to say that AGI is possible, he must surely have some reason we aren't aware of (I don't care about his doomsday warnings. I just want to know about his ideas on AGI). What makes him think that AGI is possible in the first place? That's my question. Being a rational thinker who had worked with rocket science, he must surely have a valid reasoning. "Experts" by definition are competent at their fields, thus stagnate around their viewpoint. But when you talk about discovering something new, you may have to break some old rules.

[@JosephValentine-o5w]

5 years later and he's had him 4 times now. So glad lex blew up the way he did.

[@StuartLoria]

#1 book on Software: Code Complete by McConnel. #2 book on Software: Peopleware by DeMarco. #1 advice: your enemy is complexity not the humans around you. #2 advice: never stop having fun with code at least once a week. Main disclaimer: Everything I say may be wrong so be careful, maybe I'm a bot.

[@wirito]

The comment I was looking for!!! Thanks!!! :D

[@khalilslimi8251]

great one lex 2022

[@JohnDoe-bm5lp]

Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge, been watching your stuff since the joe rogan appearance

[@thefoldp]

Such a cool guy, really good talk!

[@piyushpriyadarshi8672]

Thanks Atwood for such a saviour of problems in programming

[@GuillermoValleCosmos]

47:01 "why are programmers kind of mean sometimes? well who do programmers work with all day long? so I have a theory that if you're at a job and you work with assholes all day long what do you eventually become? an asshole an asshole and what is the computer except the world's biggest asshole? because the computer has no time for your bullshit, the computer the minute you make a mistake everything goes crashing down right? one semicolon has crashed space missions right?"

[@joemorgese]

I'm driving listening to this and police sirens keep coming in 😂

[@JosephValentine-o5w]

In the podcast or realtime?

[@twanus2657]

Thx, bro! :D

[@TimSavage-drummer]

+1:12:40 Absolutely agree with this statement.

[@Dondlo46]

This kinda hits different when you know something about coding or programming, even as a super cave man level beginner.

[@vinayemani4105]

This guy really looks like a programmer - like he just woke up, put a t-shirt on and drove over to the interview.

[@JosephValentine-o5w]

Average white male programmer look.

[@SahilDawka]

On the part about programmers becoming strict jerks like the computer.. Rust is changing that :D

[@domaincontroller]

11:22 stackoverflow is

[@biohacking46]

26:04 naming

[@NikolayTach]

Best regards!

[@NutterTesting]

my dad is freinds with jeff. I DIDNT KNOW HE MADE STACK OVERFLOW!

[@nanak3363]

Jeff is cool.

[@georget5874]

i remember experts exchange.. it was very popular until they decided to charge to view a solution, at which point everyone went over to stackoverflow..........

[@jessicahardesty3358]

I am, all, idea(s)! Use me!! :)

[@geoffreyvanwyk4588]

Jeff should never have left StackOverflow. It is now being moderated into the laughingstock of r/ProgrammerHiumor.

[@teeI0ck]

Hallden sent me here. ⌨

[@jessicahardesty3358]

Come get me! I will shadow! Volunteer! ...

[@JosephValentine-o5w]

Disco(rd)

[@blackguard93]

'maybe you are mistyping deck, instead of duck..' 46:42 Is he scared of saying the word "dzck" or what? Might offend his reputation :x

[@theolodger]

Oh, hey, how did coding get here?

[@OnionKnight541]

ffs stop saying 'right' tech people

[@coding-horror]

I know, right??!

[@OnionKnight541]

@@coding-horror 😂 In all seriousness, if you listen to most tech people (I think this started with Marc Andreessen), they say 'right' in place of 'um.' In 99% of tech interviews, the person tacks an inessential 'right' onto the end of every other sentence 😅 If you don't believe me, start at @8:27 and watch until 9:17. You say 'right' unnecessarily 6 times in that 50 seconds (and once materially, as well---which i don't count---i.e. 'right vs wrong'). But thank you all the same for replying with humor (:

[@recursion.]

Back then guests used to be good, nowadays he interviews any rand0 with a clout. Bag really changes the man I guess🤷‍♂️

[@johnhammer8668]

This guest is disappointing. Its a new low compared to the other guests. The reason is he is not really a good programmer, hates C language, thinks every one should be identifiable on the internet among his low tech skills.

[@laughingvampire7555]

discourse is really bad