Jeff Bezos’ Space Plans Make More Sense Than Elon Musk's

[@cyko5950]

I am sure jeff bazos space colonies will treat their inhabitants as well as amazon treats its workers

[@TimJSwan]

Or how they treat their customers?

[@Dan-daley]

Slave planets….scary scary shit

[@TheScottShepard]

let's hope so. Space is hard and people will need unusual grit. How Amazon workers are treated will seem a luxury considering how much worse it could be. I'm not trying to apologize for Amazon's behavior on Earth today, it's just not very equivalent to space.

[@avarionargos]

Worse, probably. They don't have an easy way to quit and get back to earth.

[@mm-yt8sf]

save your pee....now drink it 🙂

[@BloodyCrow__]

2035: Your arm gets chopped off from piece of asteroid your are blowing up to pieces for collection. Amazon Security Robot: Your shift isn't over keep working.

[@fredsas12]

Would make more sense to use robots to do any mining and collection it self. They are easily replaceable, don't complain or want more money and more importantly for this post, they dont come with life or health insurance costs to the employer

[@larsnystrom6698]

@@fredsas12 And they don't pine for neither air nor gravity.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

More like, arm gets nipped off by a chunk of asteroid and subsequently your blood is literally sucked out and squirts out of the open arteries in your arm as a red foam and you bleed out in record time, even before you suffocate.

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@fredsas12 Ayup . . . that's why I don't think large-scale space colonization will ever happen.

[@aden6665]

you have been watching to much horror sci-fi lol

[@schemage2210]

There is a huge difference between getting a rocket into Earth orbit or even to Mars and building the types of structures required for an O'Neil cylinder to function. It would literally be the biggest man-made structure in history, that we have to build in orbit, requiring far more resources than we can dream possible, and if we don't use the right materials it will tear itself apart as it starts to spin. It might be an eventuality, but we are nowhere near ready for such a project. Press events are easy, doing it is hard.

[@SuperDoNotWant]

Are you suggesting that we're nearer to being able to sustain human flight to Mars and a colony there? Seriously tell me about how much engineering and resources are going to have to be put towards the Misery Domes Elon will house his indentured servants in. And they WILL be indentured servants, like a lot of white colonists to the United States who couldn't afford the trip.

[@The1stDukeDroklar]

Not to mention debris collisions on something so large as well as the fact that nothing stays in orbit without occasionally being boosted back to proper orbit or face reentry. Try pushing something like a massive station back into proper orbit without the stress tearing it apart. Yeah, not happening in my lifetime.

[@schemage2210]

@@The1stDukeDroklar Both of these are really good points, I would wager if we can figure out large scale space station construction in space (such as an O'Neil cylinder), cleaning up some of the larger space debris should be fairly simple. Relatively speaking. And as for accidental de-orbiting from being near earth. I wager the simplest answer to this would be to put the station further out. You know, closer to the moon, than the earth where it would require a smaller engine to keep the station in place. Not quite as advertised as "in earth's orbit" but still a fairly close distance away.

[@classicalmechanic8914]

Sabine didn't make economic analysis of how much would both projects cost. Even one O'Neill cylinder would be more expensive than self sufficient colony on Mars, now imagine sending entire heavy industry in space. It is just not economically possible and she claims Elon's plan is not economically possible.

[@clivebashford2056]

The cylinder would have to be made from metals mined on the moon and sent to earth orbit using a mass driver. Still an impossible undertaking, but less impossible than hauling everything up from earth.

[@kralferch569]

Sabine, I feel like the data that you used was fairly skewed. The picture showing all the rockets didn't show the SpaceX Starship which is bigger than all of them. When you mentioned New Glenn using Methane compared to Falcon using Kerosine, it seems fairly important to mention that Starship has flown 6 times already using Methane.

[@blakelapierre]

why don't you do your own show

[@josephcler3299]

She's not a fan of Elon.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Plus I would like to add that Musk's END goal is Mars, but that the moon will be imperative to get there. Musk plans a moon base but he just has not mentioned it much because NASA is taking all the honor for that.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@josephcler3299 She probably voted for Merkel back then, too.

[@R3DPandaLP]

GLUCK GLUCK GGLUCK

[@whateverwhenever8170]

Everyone works non-stop in Bezos space world, pees in bottles and safety is an afterthought.

[@daveh7720]

You've seen Outland too?

[@someguy8944]

Robots would have taken over all the jobs by then.

[@lesgamester7356]

😂 😂 😂 😂

[@vylbird8014]

They'll charge you a urine disposal cost, and charge you for the water when you buy it back again.

[@randomentity6553]

@@vylbird8014 Bear Grylls: "Oh yeah? we'll see about that!"

[@markb3367]

"He just complete his first first reusable rocket". Are you talking about the rocket that has never flown? I am not sure I would call that "completed".

[@whateverwhenever8170]

@@markb3367 bezos will hang it from his ceiling in his bedroom like the other Lego toys he completed that don't mean it's going to make it into space

[@schemage2210]

Built and Flight-Tested are two very different things if we are being charitable.

[@rarelycares8416]

I also would not call that "catching up".

[@my9129]

New Glenn isn’t even as “completed” as StarShip/Superheavy was before its first test flight. After all, SpaceX has years of experience launching recovering and reusing Falcon 9 for orbital launches and Blue Origin has never launched anything into orbit, much less recovered or reused the rocket.

[@schemage2210]

@@my9129 You have to start somewhere. Yeah, Blue Origin might have been better off if they started a decade ago, but they didn't so they just have to keep moving. And remember SpaceX lost the first few rockets they built. This is all part of the process.

[@markusrow]

I slight clarification. SpaceX's Starship uses methane.

[@pmk8781]

The Falcon 9 rocket uses liquid oxygen and rocket-grade kerosene (RP-1) as fuel. Starship uses Liquid methane as fuel and liquid oxygen as oxidizer.

[@YouCountSheep]

@@pmk8781 Anyone comparing Falcon heavy with New Glenn doesn't know what he is talking about. Starship uses methane and is bigger than New Glenn is more powerful and carry much more and larger loads and has actually flown. Bezos hasn't even gotten to orbit.

[@LePageChannel]

​@@pmk8781 Musk is using methane because he's planning to make it from the Moon, Mars and asteroids. Anyone even slightly following the space race knows this.

[@madal59]

​@@YouCountSheepThe only thing Starship has carried in near orbit so far is a banana 😂

[@YouCountSheep]

@@madal59 Wrong. It carried itself. And it also travelled higher and further than anything Bezos built with his company. Thats how far behind they are.

[@thepastafarian7711]

You talk about Blue Origin as if they’re #2 in launch, they’re not, Rocket Lab is. Their Archimedes engine for their Neutron Rocket (currently in development) is also Methalox. And Relativity Space… 🤦‍♂️

[@jithinkarikombil]

This is a youtuber with a bias not a true scientist!

[@owenwilson25]

Neuron isn't scheduled to launch, New Glenn is. Blue Origin's engine is tested and rady for flight trial; the Archimedes is not.

[@thepastafarian7711]

@@owenwilson25 What’s your point? How is that refuting anything of what I just said? I’ll just throw that right back at you. Rocket Lab has 50+ successful orbital launches, Blue Origin has 0. Oh, and it’s Neutron not Neuron 😂

[@remo27]

@@jithinkarikombil Let's be fair. Sabine is a former physicist with opinions. I like some of her opinions. She's good at explaining physics. It's when she wanders out of her lane that she's very hit-or-miss and sometimes downright looks silly. She's not an Elon hater, I'll give her that. But she obviously hasn't followed Space events or news very much and it shows. Blue Origin was founded in 2000. But it hasn't yet made a single orbital rocket. Finally, years and years overdue they have New Glenn on the launch pad. But due to the FAA we know it won't launch until January 6th at the earliest. She talks of this reuseable rocket (only partly reuseable at that, just like the Falcon 9. Not full reuse which is what Starship is aiming for) like its already tested and ready when it is anything but. And even when it finally does launch, assuming it's successful : Well, congrats Blue Origin. It only took you almost a fucking quarter century to put a single rocket in orbit. Meanwhile Space X has developed 3 orbital rockets (Falcon 1, 9, and F9 Heavy) and is working on a fourth! There's no comparison here.

[@busybillyb33]

Depends on the metric used. Blue Origin has almost 5 times the employees than Rocket Lab. Yes they haven't achieved orbit yet, but they definitely have much bigger capital and will overtake Rocket Lab so long as Jeff keeps the funding going. Rocket Lab is going to be trapped by wall street investors myopic quarterly metrics. Listing was a bad move on their part.

[@captainsoftheazulcarrib7491]

Anyone that compares SpaceX and Blue Origin being on the same playing field are so out of wack they have no credibility.

[@OBVictor]

For real! And she’s normally such a huge skeptic. Couldn’t be more obvious she was paid. 😂

[@mrsith1402]

They only just did a fire test of New Glenn in the last week and have never put any object into orbit. So they are miles behind SpaceX

[@MrkBO8]

Space X has never reached orbit. ISS is low earth orbit. Doesnt count and Space X is 50 years behind NASA

[@theMedicatedCitizen]

Just 110 miles though

[@Trezker]

They are machs behind SpaceX.

[@st-ex8506]

@@theMedicatedCitizen Good one!

[@FlipBoxStudio]

More like 10 years behind

[@unsteadyeddy3107]

This is one of those things that's much easier said than done.

[@spltorky]

And even then, it is WAY EASIER than moving material 140 millions miles away (which is Musk's plan). By the way, MOST things are easier said than done. saying "making a sandwich" is extremely easy when compared to actually making a sandwich :D

[@johnrieley1404]

much x100

[@asdfqwerty14587]

I mean.. I don't think that this is technologically impossible to accomplish.. the problem is, what is the motivation for it? Why would anyone want to live in a city there? Everything will be overwhelmingly more expensive, and less convenient than living on Earth. Until there's an actual reason to want to live there, then it's unlikely for any plan for starting a colony somewhere other than Earth to actually work. I guess if you dumped enough money into it then you could incentivize people to live there by just paying them enough money, but as soon as the money dries up then so will the city, and it definitely won't be turning a profit, so it could at best be a vanity project.

[@petecabrina]

@@asdfqwerty14587 it is all the fantasies and whims of little boys with too much money which attracts great attention from all the other little boys. It may happen eventually, and maybe it is something to work towards but it is unrealistic at this point of time to try to create colonies outside of earth. So many issues, hurdles and even unforeseen problems, then the quality of life living in such environments would get low quite quickly and probably even be a death trap, or mental health nightmare.

[@jimmy_james0007]

@@asdfqwerty14587 Presumably they would be up there for work. Besos plan calls for *all* heavy industry to be in space - that will take a lot of people to make happen!

[@piu3685]

"We'll just have to wait to see how well it blows up." LMAO!

[@jal051]

I don't understand how Blue Origin progress is so slow. There's a small company in Spain that is already putting a rocket in space (PLD Space), and Blue Origin has been trying since the beginning of Space X.

[@apburner1]

You can't compare small unmanned rockets to human rated space flight.

[@yakovdan]

Lack of focus on Bezos' part. Once he retired as Amazon CEO he got Blue's shit together real fast. Apparentely, just writing a billion dollar check each year isn't enough to drive cutting edge tech... who knew?

[@yakovdan]

@@apburner1 Blue has been working on NG rocket for decades, not just New Shepard.

[@BakiVSKengan]

New Glenn is Saturn V size absolutely huge and reusable : you cannot compare a tiny company to such a step up in size and step in technology

[@johnbrobston1334]

@@BakiVSKengan New Glenn has half the thrust of Saturn V. Starship on the last flight had more than twice the thrust of Saturn V. And maybe Bezos should have started smaller since he is having so much trouble getting New Glenn up.

[@tsuribachi]

Wouldn't moving all those stuff off the Earth increase all their cost due to the cost of transportation and maintenance of the infrastructure up there?. Also would that not also contribute to "Kessler's Syndrome"?

[@SabineHossenfelder]

Well you can solve this problem by just moving all people to space... More seriously, if you mine resources in space, I think he's right that it makes more sense to put factories in space too and then transport the final products down to earth, rather than bringing the resources down to earth and have the pollution from production down here.

[@aaronjennings8385]

The Kessler syndrome describes a situation where the density of objects in low Earth orbit (LEO) becomes so high that collisions between these objects generate more debris, which in turn increases the likelihood of further collisions. I had to look it up, I forgot what it was.

[@meth3rlence]

@@SabineHossenfelder Why does this make more sense than doing it on a celestial body (say, Mars... or more immediately - the Moon)?

[@bngr_bngr]

@@meth3rlencethe Moon is already occupied by the military.

[@SireJoe]

​@@meth3rlenceproximity? Or maybe one day capturing asteroids and bringing them sufficiently close to earth would make more sense than building fully self sufficient stations in space. All of this is 5 to 10 decades (or more) away, so it's a bit hard to fathom at the moment.... As Sabine says, though.... Assuming humanity lasts that long.

[@charak100able]

Most people do not understand how hostile the universe is just 5km above our heads and also how expensive space travel/mining is to do it on an industrial level.

[@carlbrenninkmeijer8925]

This is crazy as crazy can crazy be. But, thank you for keeping us informed about such a broad spectrum of developments in Science and Technology.

[@johnrieley1404]

Nice turn of the phrase, right to the point of this absurd venture.

[@Nivola1953]

Bezos and Musk are not developing any new tech, they are “trying” to improve what NASA and all other world space agencies have already done before. They are not in for the science and discoveries, they are just trying to get richer by selling marketing hype, like the reusable rockets, which didn’t bring the cost of space launch down “dramatically” but just barely. They pump up the hype, when the 1st stage is landing, but they never show, how long and how much it takes to reuse it, they also never publicise the actual cost savings produced.

[@firexgodx980]

She's keeping you misinformed. Look up SpaceX's Starship.

[@bruck2723]

Bros favorite movie must be Elysium.

[@brjohow]

not with the ending in the canonical version. bezos would want to make sure none of the morlocks ever make it up to elysium.

[@kareandersson]

Good catch.

[@ambinintsoahasina]

What everyone seems to miss about Elon is that for him, nothing is about making sense. Elon was always about having a goal first and going extreme to reach it. This is why he got so far ahead on many things. The downside is that he is literally extreme with everything he does or think.

[@jlf_]

Well spoken. That makes him also so dangerous

[@ambinintsoahasina]

@jlf_ I swear. How everyone thought he was an idiot for buying Twitter. And now, turns out he played 5D chess all along.

[@jadeed14]

​@@ambinintsoahasina what was 5D-chess about buying twitter on the terms it was bought?

[@CheesyMez]

@@jadeed14 he removed censors and unbanned right wing accounts, and used it to support republicans: he now has a huge amount of political control, for him personally, that is quite a good thing.

[@jadeed14]

@@CheesyMez he is definitely is reaping the benefits of having a giant social media platform - the question is was it worth the money he sunk into it after his bluff was called

[@MrHws5mp]

Not a lot of oil in space. Even if you're not burning it for energy, you still need it for plastics, lubricants, etc...

[@fluffysheap]

Yes, oil is in short supply in space (except on Titan, for whatever reason, but nobody is going there). Mars has plenty of CO2 in the atmosphere, but the best source of carbon is carbonaceous asteroids. Oil would have to be manufactured, but with the massive energy available in space, this is not too bad. Unfortunately, despite being the most common element in the universe, hydrogen is in short supply in the inner solar system. Mars has enough in its water ice cap. Asteroids have only trace amounts and the moon has effectively none.

[@chrishall5283]

But there are carbonaceous chondrites. And Mars has lots of CO2 and H2O. With energy and raw materials, all sorts of things are possible.

[@rvingretiree8562]

You can go to Titan.

[@joeprimal2044]

There’s an endless supply of methane in space. Saturn, Jupiter.

[@MrHws5mp]

@@chrishall5283 Significant energy cost getting to/from the surface of Mars though.

[@jamesschmames6416]

The security problems of having big things in orbit could be existential.

[@johnrieley1404]

Lets say there would be nearly total risk and nearly zero security.

[@deker0954]

A steep price to pay for bad behavior though.

[@ojiij94102]

In this case, I don't get the business model argument of Sabine: If polluting Industry has to move to our orbit, they cannot pollute the orbit with anything, thus there are no materials to be processed - and transporting it into orbit will be way to expensive for any industry. Therefor I don't see a valid business model.

[@rgilliver7385]

Very misleading New Glen has yet to test fire its engines. Starship and its boosters use Methane.

[@BakiVSKengan]

Yes it did check online. It tested perfectly and the engines already flew on Vulcan rocket. Type New Glenn static fire

[@whateverwhenever8170]

@@rgilliver7385 never mind that she has to tow the academic line and be anti Elon

[@nihalbhandary162]

@@whateverwhenever8170 But she isnt wrong, it isnt about progress. It;s about future plans. Which is true, Bezo's vision is much more sensible and closer to achieve than Musk's.

[@SpaceAdvocate]

@@nihalbhandary162 A Mars colony is much more achievable than an O'Neill cylinder. Humanity just doesn't currently have the technology to make an O'Neill cylinder. And forget about economics. Bezos hasn't even attempted to justify the project economically. He doesn't even intend to attempt making these cylinders himself. The cost is beyond comprehension, for basically no benefit. A Mars colony at least has a planet worth of resources to justify it's existence. I wouldn't rule out O'Neill cylinders being constructed at some point, but I would expect it to be constructed from materials mined at Mars and Moon colonies.

[@nihalbhandary162]

​@@SpaceAdvocate Bezo's goal is not to make an O'Neill cylinder though, his goal is to move heavy industries to LEO. You dont need to have permanent human presence in LEO to move heavy industries, not to mention humans can very well function upto a year in LEO without gravity and can easily return back to earth in short time. I dont know why you think O'Neill cylinder would be an end goal for Bezos, he paints it as one of the ways the human cities could form in space from the industries in space. Not as a stated goal he wants to achieve. Elon Musk OTOH paints mars colonization as a stated goal and yet apart from rockets he hasn't done any work towards colonization of Mars. Not to mention the planet's worth of resource would require extensive heavy mining likes of which unseen in human history. Not only everything has to be remote, able to function with machine hating coarse regolith, radiation that will fry circuits, but be able to refine these mined materials which itself would require chemicals that are not found in Mars. BTW this all would go north of several trillion dollars which somehow Musk thinks governments and private investors will be happy to join.

[@takatotakasui8307]

This guy can't even take care of his employees on Earth, and now he wants to shoot them into space in a rocket

[@notgreg123]

Aren't there constant workplace accidents at SpaceX? How come no one talks about those

[@takatotakasui8307]

@@notgreg123 Good question

[@TheNaturalLawInstitute]

if that was true the best people wouldn't' be beating down the door to work for him.

[@st-ex8506]

@@notgreg123 No one talks about them, because there are not! But maybe I am ill-informed, so please give me a link to a reliable and factual source.

[@jithinkarikombil]

Actual former 1% percentage of engineers at spacex are building new manufacturing firms Look at sift ceo.. meanwhile jeff Bezos is treating his employees like garbage

[@robertgunkelman8657]

25 years without reaching orbit is wild. I wish Professor Farnsworth and his package delivery business well.

[@jeffgriffith9692]

I dont see any feasable way with any of the proposed plans to address the cost of returning product. Ok, so you just made a car, cleanly, in space. Now you have to bring it back to earth...

[@redneckhippiefreak]

and...you do so by the same means you left...Planned utilization and application of resources.

[@starstenaal527]

with the abundance of resources and energy from space mining, this should be a fairly trivial task.

[@acefighterpilot]

You're missing the point....if millions of people are living and working in space, why do you need a car on Earth? You're not going to commute to and from a job in space every day. Perhaps people will work off world for a month, and then spend a month on Earth in essentially a giant national park. The basic idea is how to manage a finite Earth as humanity approaches its carrying capacity.

[@snakedogman]

First of all, why do we need to choose between both these ideas? I think they are not mutually exclusive, and if we survive long enough as a species, both will have to become reality. Second, I'm missing the part where it's explained how all this "heavy industry in space" will transport it's produce and it's millions of personnel to and from earth and the kind of resources and energy that costs. Are we just assuming that millions of people will be fine with living in orbiting space stations (built how?), working in offworld industry to supply Earth with it's neccesary industrial products, never actually setting foot on earth themselves? I've seen this in SF movies but usually it's meant as somewhat distopian.

[@Wakamolewonder]

She’s a leftist and has an agenda. I don’t believe any of the political crap coming out of her mouth. I’m not a fan of Elon but this is BS

[@jsonjsoff]

Because elon is bad bad man! Bad man! All his efforts are bad!

[@loboalamo]

Yes, YES! Very well said.

[@mtzzero]

Stuff will be brought down the same way we do it now just at scale. Its cheaper to bring stuff down then send stuff up. People will live in the colonies for the same reasons people live in cities today and historical colonies. Yes it can be dystopian if corporations own and run them, just like how a Mars colony would be dystopian

[@ajdz1840]

Robots

[@KaiGolf-b3c]

The best thing about America is that you're allowed to dream and try. 💕

[@SlinkyTWF]

I for one welcome our new Gundam masters.

[@mikeg9b]

gorram

[@arpadikuma]

now I know where the idea for the colonies in space came from

[@NimsChannel]

Char Aznable will be blowing things up.

[@TalRegev]

@SabineHossenfelde You should compare New glen to Starship rocket.

[@graychev]

It's apples to oranges.

[@brjohow]

@@graychev its apples to dog crap. one is already making test flights and getting closer to being commercially useful. the other took 13-14 years to get to its first dog and pony show (BE4 dev started in 2011)

[@graychev]

@@brjohow agreed. I just tried to be nice ☺️

[@asandax6]

You mean Falcon Heavy which is it's direct competitor.

[@TalRegev]

@@asandax6 I mean starship rocket. Google it!

[@OBVictor]

I know there are ALOT of KZbin channels out there who have sold out to Elon. But today you’ve made it abundantly clear that this one has sold out to Bezos. Smart move one both of your parts though. Everyone’s gotta make a living after all.

[@Johnflaxman974]

This will never happen We can't even get a bridge built in Cincinnati 😂😂

[@darkknightx0992]

Yeah I doubt any thing pike this will happen in the next 100 years

[@dirkbester9050]

Sorry, nobody cares about the incompetence of your Democrat run city.

[@mgalyean]

The nice thing about free societies is that multiple avenues can be explored simultaneously. Musk's and Bezos' visions compliment each other quite well in many people's view

[@Commander.Starfleet]

Not fully free. He still has to get permission from daddy govt to leave the planet. 😋

[@Kannot2023]

​@@Commander.Starfleetyou need permission because rockets fail and fall on public property, killing people

[@Commander.Starfleet]

@@Kannot2023 I'm aware. It was a libertarian joke since you mentioned free societies. My apologies. Though I must wonder why one must radio in to air traffic control for taking off and landing aircraft, but not radio in for cars and trucks. Not every house has a fence to catch out of control cars, just like not every house has a net above it to catch falling planes.

[@Commander.Starfleet]

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[@Commander.Starfleet]

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[@DonaldKimble]

German media's anti-Elon spin has her thinking O'Neill cylinders are more realistic than a Mars colony.

[@mboiko]

Jeff Bezos is way ahead of SpaceX somewhere in the Multiverse...just not the one we live in.

[@TheGaussFan]

Musk and Bezos are complementary efforts. Space is big. Room for a infinite number of winners.

[@simianwarthog]

Perhaps, but the colossal resources needed to go there are definitely not infinite.

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

Empty space is big. Winner will be who do it first. We remember first person in space or moon not second one.

[@dan_loup]

@@iraklimgeladze5223 There are plenty to do in space to be remembered for. Good and bad.

[@KateeAngel]

Billionaires win, everyone else loses

[@MrArthys]

@@TheGaussFan true, but she clearly hates one of them and can't be unbiased even if her life was on the line.

[@princegabytv7251]

By comparison lets count the number of launches !

[@AdrianBoyko]

Moving manufacturing to orbit? People don’t even want to pay the price of moving manufacturing back to the USA. How much would a car built in orbit from metals mined in the asteroid belt cost?

[@notgreg123]

Less than the cost of rebuilding cities after getting slapped with a giant tsunami once a week

[@mikeg9b]

The price would be astronomical.

[@navalonaramanantoanina2118]

Yeah, I burst out laughing when I heard that. This is Besos's Metaverse episode.

[@costiqueR]

You are so useless in understanding what you are seeing... you must think if you will ever work in 20 years... PS: in 2-3 years self-driving cars will prove that are better than humans... Will you support the right to be killed by a human crossing the road?

[@AdrianBoyko]

@@notgreg123 Yes, for the price of rebuilding a city you could buy about 10 cars! 😂 I kid, but…

[@zeevtarantov]

New Glenn performed a static fire and got a launch license before this video was uploaded. SpaceX Raptor engine for Starship uses methane too, and that flew for the first time in 2020.

[@leeswecho]

going by the metadata tags, the video was originally shown members-only on Dec 24, which would explain the gap

[@symply_ajay]

It first flew in 2019!

[@BoskoStupar]

Both are right. We need both.

[@luudest]

1:30 This graph is quite confusing: Sabine speaks about „New Glenn“ - which would be lie between Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy - however is not shown here. Rather different stages and a booster of New Glenn are shown but they are all mich bigger than the mentioned Space X rockets. Furthermore Space X newest rocket Star Ship also not shown here.

[@DavidSharlot]

The whole planet could be covered by Amazon warehouses and 15 billion customers.

[@YouAreStillNotablaze]

OMG. That's it.. that's the plan. They aren't going to use drones for delivery.. They're going to use *INTERPLANETARY BOMBARDMENT*

[@informatimago]

The whole planet, discounting seas, is 1.49e14 m2. That’d give about 1e4 m2 per customer, enough to have each one’s own amazon wharehouse.

[@Elrog3]

@@informatimago That would not be a functional society. We need people to actually make things.

[@loboalamo]

Well India has mass produced mountains of clothing that everyone buys and then discards back to India (shamefully saying). They are literally becoming mountains of clothing. The rich people have to stay rich so; to get people to keep buying and spending MONEY AND MORE MONEY MONEY MONEY you have to make things that tear, rip, break, explode, sink, or break apart easily. 🥺😢😝😣😖🫣🫢🤯🫨🫠🥹🤓🤨😠🧐 The trash is everywhere.

[@brjohow]

there was a futurama episode where a scamazon archetype company (momazon) - the alexa singularity - instead of alexa its invasa (play on invasive) and the amazon fulfillment center dome engulfs the entire universe the invasa singularity's reach is omnipresent, but its confinement is out of sight, out of mind. when invasa declares, "it's my universe now, you just shop in it," the characters shrug.

[@Metaspace2]

Imagine all the money for the space endeavors put into renewable energy research and infrastructure

[@douglaswilkinson5700]

Jeff Bezos did not pay his workers at Whole Foods for the Christmas Day. Even Ebenezer Scrooge paid Bob Cratchit for Christmas.

[@jorgemontesinos8727]

This looks like Elysium movie, rich people orbiting the Earth and robots police mauling people.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@jorgemontesinos8727 Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

[@TheVeritas2100]

Jeff Bezos is a rich "grifter" - Elon is a "Real McCoy" 🙂

[@redcoat4348]

@@jorgemontesinos8727 wouldnt it be the opposite if all of the industry is in space and there's none on earth?

[@dirkbester9050]

@@redcoat4348 Yep, Matt Damon would have to invade earth from orbit to conquer Obamacare for all the peasants in orbit.

[@TheBiggreenpig]

Why would they want to build into emptiness??? Moons, planets or asteroids at least have stuff to be mined.

[@mb-3faze]

Agreed. The only benefits I see are closeness to Earth and protection within the Earth's magnetosphere.

[@weather2456]

Gravity is the problem, in space you don't have to use energy to move heavy loads, once industry is in space humanity will populate the solar system assuming they don't die by radiation and lack of gravity

[@TheBiggreenpig]

@@weather2456 The moon has tolerable gravity and asteroids have even less. I think it is much easier to secure a moon base than a station which is surrounded by vacuum. Lava tunnels could be developed much easier than empty space.

[@althepalno1164]

If you create a space habitat you choose exactly what environment you want. You choose the gravity, the air pressure, the temperature, the shape of the surface area etc. You can easily have different modules experiencing different levels of gravity for example, depending on what you are manufacturing at each level, and full gravity for the living quarters. It would make sense to have mining setups on planets moons and asteroids, perhaps some processing and manufacturing to begin with, to make building the space habitats easier. We need all these things to happen to make the future the best it can be.

[@MrGonzonator]

1) Gravity well. Waste of propellant in both directions. 2) Solar power. Mars suffers 40% of the power at Earth orbit. 3) Gravity. Choose your gravity of convenience, rather than being stuck at whatever nature gave you. 4) Ultimate protection against existential threats. The more places we are, the less likely we'll be wiped out. In the very long term we will even need to contemplate life with no livable planets. At least an O'Neill cylinders can simply move it's orbit to a safe distance, or even be the first step towards interstellar generation ships.

[@davidorsini]

This man should be locked up the amount of human suffering he has caused is disgusting

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Who? Musk? Don't believe everything you read, mate. If that's what you think of him, you've either assumed it yourself (And assumption is the mother of all fuckups), or you have believed the lies of someone who hates Musk, for selfish reasons.

[@RandyHill-bj9pc]

@@davidorsini he should be awarded the Nobel prize for revolutionizing electric cars and space launch, making them both finally affordable and useful.

[@davidorsini]

@ Musk did nothing the employees of space x should get the award. He didn’t even fund it our taxes did

[@missedinformation7068]

Every 11 years, millions of people will be crossing their fingers.

[@JSfuckgoogle]

@@missedinformation7068 NICE!! 😎 Haha... 😂😂

[@hankseda]

Big, bold ideas 👍 a mile long rotating spaceship may also one day work as a generation ship to travel to nearby stars, which for now is just sci-fi.

[@ericrawson2909]

Cosmic rays? Meteorite strike?

[@medviation]

The thing with Musk's Mars goal is that it achieves several secondary achievements along the way. This includes moon bases, space industry and a vehicle that can get to anywhere in the solar system. Stuff that Jeff Bezos also wants.

[@Taomantom]

He needs to think upper, and not lower, orbits for everything. Dwell on the state of the envelope surrounding us now.

[@garysalsbery822]

On Bezos’ space stations you are limited to one restroom break every 8 hours.

[@mysticone1798]

But only if necessary.

[@michaelblacktree]

I still can't get over how Bezos looks like a supervillain.

[@andrewgoodall2183]

I can't get over how Musk acts like a James Bond villain.

[@DR_1_1]

3:09 good luck building something that big that holds pressurization.

[@dewiz9596]

Pfft. 15 psi is fitness easy. Submarines are “hard”

[@jack_waterman]

It'll look a lot better when it's a whole liveable planet, off somewhere, wherever they discovered a habitable planet. Potatoes and bananas will be banned, of course.

[@JohnSmith-fj3uf]

@@dewiz9596 Guesses follow: only about 3 PSI is oxygen, so you can get the blood fully oxygenated with that. Not sure how much more you might need to avoid other biological problems or the over heating of sunlit surfaces. Aside from the risk of it blowing up like a balloon. The energy problem is probably insurmountable unless fusion starts working. It is a challenge but probably doable to run our economy with solar power. But this space dream would require enough energy to put billions of pound of soil air humans solar cells and infrastructure into space with a net environmental benefit. Each of the billions of pounds requires probably 100 fold its weight in high energy fuel . Then anything that falls into the polluting or high energy category has to travel back to earth without burning up a process that requires more fuel. That is a high bar to cross without some kind of nearly free energy. And if we had that we probably could manufacture in a clean way on earth. My guess is Musk and Bezos equally wrong.

[@noreply5461]

Sabine, have you considered Elon might have a hidden agenda with his Mars project. Consider the amount of rare earth elements found in our asteroid belt and building a settlement on mars, to "deorbit" and capture and process those asteroids suddenly makes a lot of economic sense. Yes, yes, I know, the asteroid belt does not orbit Mars, but the Sun just like Mars. But the asteroids are close to mars and little energy would be required to send them on a collision course with Mars where there then could be more easily processed before being shipped back to earth or space colonies. Alternatively, we get "beltaloadas" like in the TV show.

[@ajctrading]

Well done Jeff, your statue might one day be an actual working rocket

[@Man-mm5jw]

I usually think Sabine's videos are amazing but this one missed the mark by a lot. Beyond the fact that she straight up ignored Starship, she misunderstands why SpaceX wants to go for Mars colonization. Their goals are more about the long term safety of humanity than having a place that's easy to reach with a rocket or being "economically sound" (neither plans make any financial sense). Mars makes sense for that goal BECAUSE it's far away. Any humans running a self sustaining civilization on Mars would be pretty insulated from a pandemic, nuclear war, or whatever else happens on Earth. There's also that a civilization on Mars would be substantially easier to run in the long term given that the colonists have a whole planet's worth of resources to build whatever they want. Short term it's harder to run than a glorified space station but the long term returns from a Mars base is so much better than building ISS pro max with some factories on board. PS: Just because you don't like a person doesn't mean everything they say is wrong and they suck at everything.

[@halley4032]

All very good points. I've noticed a fair amount of 'Musk Derangement Syndrome' over recent months, even here in UK - not to say that Sabine is in that category at all though. My own view is that a Mars Colony may just be 'too big' for us to deal with over the medium term, and I worry that with the inevitable obstacles and costs etc, interest will wane before any major achievements have been made. By focussing on the Moon, we get to learn a lot about near Earth travel and colonies, and can build our experience from that.

[@redneckhippiefreak]

I agree to an extent but, lets not sugar coat a serious endeavor. Some of what you propose, is like saying Colonists never had to support Spain or England and We were never pulled into conflict across Oceans 150 years later.. Plus, there is Nothing "easy" about carving out an existence on a planet that is 100% inhospitable to human life. At least the Earth bound pioneers were subject to a Climate that supports life if their houses burned down.. Not to mention, all colonizers essentially start from the preverbal stone age. Lets not forget who we are talking bout either. A Colony on Mars is not immune to our Humanity. They too will develop rifts and divisions. In short, Forging a new civilization, never was, nor will it ever be "Easy" certainly not "Substantially easier'' than here on Earth. I still want to be one of them though. ; )

[@redneckhippiefreak]

@@halley4032100% facts----''Go big or go home'' has sent a lot of folks to the morgue. ; )

[@Quwucuqin]

Don't worry most of them are reddit echochamberd lowlifes just ignore those animals they are better off on their own pathetic and meaningless lives.

[@Commander.Starfleet]

Didnt sabine once just do nuclear power educational videos?

[@HumanPP]

However, it seems to me that Bezos cares more about the environment and humanity than Musk.

[@lepidoptera9337]

Errr... Bezos who sells megatons of cheap crap from China for a living and runs some of the largest server farms on the planet? How much Chinese cooking wine have you been drinking? :-)

[@kokitsunetora]

And then in the year 0079, the Principality of Zeon will drop a space colony on Australia. His plan sounds like Gundam😂

[@migah139]

but starship uses methane too. i know its not ready yet, but to leave it out intentionally seems a bit sus to say one plan is not viable but the other will be... "one day" only makes said suspicious wording more obvious both are not viable YET. if you apply the same logic to both sides equally, they are equally viable

[@marlonjormungand7845]

True, how does a mars base make less sense, no matter from which perspective, than miles long artificial gravity space stations.

[@dvv18]

2:07 As of the last year, methane-fueled (methane as fuel, liquid oxygen as oxidizer; the combo is often called methalox) engines are not theoretical: the Chinese were the first ones to use a methalox rocket to put payload in orbit in 2023, Musk uses methalox in his Starship (and it doesn't blow up every time anymore), even Bezos' own methalox engines have already been successfully used in ULA's Vulcan Centaur.

[@LimpRichard]

Sabine has no idea what she is talking about. She is throwing around a "physicist" like the whale biologist from Futurama.

[@j.f.christ8421]

Musk likes methalox as you can make it on Mars (carbon dioxide + water > methane (CH4) + oxygen). Actual implementation details are left to the reader.

[@Thomas-gk42]

@@LimpRichard Sent by Dave Farina?

[@fluffysheap]

None of Starship's problems have been because of the fuel. Aside from the first launch that they half-assed, the engines have been pretty reliable and are continuing to improve.

[@cristibaluta]

Good luck running factories with solar energy lol

[@cherubin7th]

Bezos: How to make it feasible Musk: How to make it a meme

[@craigpardy6204]

Oh I know, by paying peanuts..

[@msromike123]

Figurativly moving power gobbling AI "into the cloud." I like it on many levels. I don't see deorbiting locomotives or container ships manufactured in space to be very practical, but who knows?

[@RichardJBarbalace]

What are the advantages of an orbital colony over a moon colony, besides slightly shorter travel time? The moon already has gravity, resources, underground shelter, etc. that seem like they would convey advantages over an orbital colony.

[@owenlouisdavid]

One disadvantage: it will suffer catastrophic failure in the event of a massive asteroid strike on Earth that will inevitably send hypersonic ejecta (huge chunks of material, maybe with masses of ten tons or more) smashing through the orbital colony's glass structure.

[@jackharrington6397]

Currently I think it’s just a question of who develops the best rocket not really what they plan to do with these next generation rockets. spacex’s rocket design seems to make more sense then Bezos and I base that on spacex having a far more ambitious approach that I think will allow for higher profit margins but of course with more risk in actually developing the rocket.

[@andrasbiro3007]

There was more risk, but not anymore. Starship is mostly proven, now it's just fixing the remaining few issues and optimizing the design.

[@frankkolmann4801]

My Space Shuttle is also better than Elon Musks, according to that logic. there is just one problem. Like Bezos Space Plane My Space Shuttle has yet to launch as it is mostly a figment of my imagination.

[@entropyachieved750]

So is elons mission to Mars using your logic. U can't deny Space X hasn't really anything they can use either

[@frankkolmann4801]

@ Glass half full Glass half empty Iterative design means what you have now is not what you finally have fwiw I think Elons Mars quest is quite Quixotic

[@scottgauer7299]

New glenn is partially reusable only, and will be like a dinosaur when starship becomes fully operational

[@ethirnandor5439]

The plans are not bad, but he has been at it years longer than SpaceX, had he has never even been to orbit!. He will have to show some real progress before I believe his plans will happen in his (or my) lifetime.

[@acefighterpilot]

These plans aren't for our lifetimes. It is an inevitability of unconstrained resource consumption on a finite planet. Either we will have to bring resources to Earth from space, in which case there are deleterious effects of adding polluting mass to the planet, or we will have to go to space and use the resources there.

[@Bvoid-b]

Concerns aside, the ideas themselves are good, both Bezos' and Elon's ideas can coexist and help each other . I wonder if these ideas would come to fruition earlier if they helped each other? or if some competition makes sense?

[@ssdfgardiner1233]

They could be like Lennon-McCartney and work together and compete at the same time. But I doubt that would happen.

[@johnrieley1404]

Good ideas in the mind, where they should stay and not waste human effort in senseless ways that pose high levels of most probable destruction not seen before.

[@Bvoid-b]

@@johnrieley1404 Destruction? how so?

[@johnrieley1404]

@@Bvoid-b Let's say a space colony thrives for a century and then one day a malcontent, a lunatic, or an Antifa anti- corporatist, with adequate knowledge launches a simple attack resulting in the utter shutdown of power, of oxygen production, or that greatly compromises the hermetically sealed enclosure. The end would come quickly. The intrinsic set of vulnerabilities could never be managed.

[@jackxiao9702]

24 years and Blue Origin hasn’t tested an orbital rocket yet. I have the same chance of being King of Space as Jeff.

[@gracialonignasiver6302]

Sabine's mistake was making a video pitting anyone against Musk, especially Bezos. Musk fans come out in full force to defend him. People are actually in the comment section attempting to argue that building and maintaining a colony on Mars is less expensive than building a rotating habitat in Earth's orbit. I guarantee you that if the ideas were reversed, and it was Musk that wanted a rotating habitat and Bezos wanted to colonize Mars, most of these comments would be all for a rotating habitat. Notice that most people can't even discuss the topic without making Amazon jokes.

[@owenlouisdavid]

Bovine faeces,,,You should be comparing the cost of building and maintaining an EQUIVALENT colony. Just think about getting all those billions of tons of soil into space. The Mars colony will be heading for self-sufficiency within 6 years. You can ship out a couple of turnkey PV panel manufacturing facilities and using Mars ISRU materials they will be operational. A few years later and the people of Mars will be making the manufacturing facilities themselves. To create a million person colony in orbit maybe 200 miles away (to what purpose> - replicating Earth when it is so close!) would require materials we haven't yet invented. Removing industry from Earth to this orbiting glass house will not be feasible in the next few decades.

[@Sugondees]

If jokes are that effective, then there's truth to them, i say both of "their ideas" are essential. However, this idea of yours that Sabine is "pitting" anyone against Elon being a mistake, is nonsense. Elon and anyone worth pitting against him wouldn't know or care that a fanbase is defending the other person, they would simply move forward with their intentions regardless of public opinion.

[@owenlouisdavid]

@@Sugondees True, but take a look at her recent video on Space X's Mars Mission (full of negativity). That will make sense of Gracia's comments.

[@begzadaculafic5497]

You don't have to be a Musk stan to recognize that Bezos is 100% evil with a dead inner child, while Musk still has come creativity within himself.

[@WilliamHWRead]

Blue Original needs to reach orbit before any lofty plans are discussed. 😘

[@iknowhim1616]

Was waiting for this comment. Decades after founding the company, all its plans are still conceptual.

[@damianousley8833]

Blue Origin is running so slowly behind Spacex. That is why even ESA has been using Spacex to launch payloads as they have also been slow in developing new Launchers

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Jeff has taken over the world wide space transport business and transports 99% of everything into space. Hurraah! Oh, wait, no, that was Big E. Oh my...

[@ricomajestic]

It is not how you start to race but how you finish it! They use to say the same thing about Usain Bolt!

[@KilgoreTroutAsf]

Almost like one is a megalomaniac competent business shark and the other is an attention seeking clown that sucks all the air out of the room to keep all his scams alive.

[@lproth]

Sabine, there is a big difference between plans and execution. Blue origin talks big, while Elon acts big. He is also generating the capital he will need to get us to mars with star link…..

[@iamscoutstfu]

Blue Origin is funded by Bezos...

[@omare9608]

They want to live forever and to build their own Valhalla/Olimpus

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

heavy industry? Like steel and stuff.. thats heavy? So how much do we pollute by flying rockets all day long moving this stuff?

[@notgreg123]

Not as much as you'd think. Once we can harvest fuel in space then that'll drop massively

[@daveh7720]

@@notgreg123 Also, mining the raw materials (like ores) from asteroids will keep the pollution out of our atmosphere, and shipping it to orbital refineries and factories will require less energy than launching it into orbit.

[@Benjamin_Monnoyeur]

@@daveh7720 And you'd need a way to drop back on earth a lot of cargo, like in the seas, at capacity. What industry besides mining would make this profitable ?

[@Zoltan1251]

I think its just marketing speech. He cant possibly believe that moving heavy industry will solve polution problems. Polution comes from hauling food accross the planet 24/7 and other incredibly mundane things.

[@loboalamo]

Ya! Why do all these people never ask those questions before they ever proceed? Carelessness is why things are the way they are. We are supposed to care for what *God made for us.*

[@focalplane3063]

King of Space? More like wiener of the world.

[@TTTzzzz]

Sorry to disrupt anybody's dreams, but we do have a very serious climate crisis. Let's concentrate on that.

[@Mastermind12358]

Bezos and Blue origin, in it's quarter century history has never even reached orbit. They have never done anything useful, in contrast to SpaceX which has been putting things into orbit for fifteen years. They are nowhere near SpaceX. Also, the bezos idea of rotating cylinder with millions of people is literally impossible with our understanding of engineering and material science. Maybe centuries from now. That is the difference between Musk and Bezos. Bezos is part of old space where it takes decades to even reach orbit, meanwhile it took spacex like five years to reach orbit and is now on path creating Starship, a fully reusable heavy lift rocket.

[@dirkbester9050]

To be fair, they did eventually supply some engines for ULA and those went to space twice, but again not to orbit, although they participated in orbital stuff.

[@OlejzMaku]

What's so impossible about rotating cylinder? It seems very easy to build provided you can get all that construction material in orbit.

[@iamscoutstfu]

Lmao, cope.

[@mysticone1798]

Bravo! Great observations, and totally agreed. Bezos hasn't shown any competency whatsoever in his vision for space, while Musk is performing useful tasks for space travel on a daily basis. Absolutely no comparison!!!

[@xponen]

@@dirkbester9050 also BE-4 is used commercially in Vulcan while Raptor is still used in prototype, so indirectly Blue Origin has a lead compared to SpaceX in term of propulsion.

[@MyThinkin]

So this is just for the space X's Falcon: Rockets from the Falcon 9 family have been launched 431 times over 15 years, resulting in 428 full successes (99.3%), two in-flight failures (SpaceX CRS-7 and Starlink Group 9-3), and one partial success (SpaceX CRS-1, which delivered its cargo to the International Space Station (ISS), but a secondary payload was ...I would say there's still quite a lot of catching up to do😂😂😂😂

[@IsZomg]

1:30 why exclude Starship which is way ahead of New Glen in development and has done 6 test flights already?

[@IsZomg]

@@vhdlx lol

[@stevecastellanos]

That's debatable! Elon has to do several proof of concept flights plus he changed the heatsheild material and has to relight and refuel in space.

[@SpaceAdvocate]

@@vhdlx It's extremely unlikely that SpaceX cancels Starship. SpaceX can fund Starship indefinitely, and it's already getting to the point where it starts making economic sense. They've recovered one booster, and when they can do that and reuse them regularly, the cost per launch should drop to something like $50 million. At that point, it's already more or less competitive with Falcon 9 for Starlink launches. And that's before they start reusing the upper stage.

[@SuzufaDe]

​@@SpaceAdvocate do the boosters really deliver enough thrust to bring payload into orbit?

[@Ionut-bg6vw]

​@@SuzufaDewell now with v2 ship the payload is bigger but i dont know how much

[@stefcas]

First they will have to clean up the space debris.

[@DW-indeed]

Perhaps a joint venture with Dyson? 😉

[@TiberiusXVI]

Yeah, this is what I was wondering.

[@acefighterpilot]

That's a LEO problem. Colonies of this size would be much further out in order to reduce the need for boosting.

[@RandyHill-bj9pc]

@@stefcas LEO is self cleaning, nothing can stay in orbit more than 5-10 years without reboosting because there is still atmospheric drag at those levels.

[@chrisbrien105]

I didn't give Blue much of a chance but if they can land that thing within 5 launches then they are a player.

[@marlonjormungand7845]

Yes but by that time it's likely that starship is flying massive payloads and neutron is flying smaller ones but at a better price than new glenn. Anyway we will see in one to two years.

[@arnswine]

Nah. Heavy industry is, you know, heavy. The amount of energy and pollutants required to launch one scoop of ore from one large pit mining shovel - like a P&H 4100 AC (look it up) - into space is funny. The amount of heavy industry required to launch and assemble large space colonies would definitely bring on the last tipping point for the grandkids to wonder WTF were mom and dad thinking?... Also, use cable-tethered masses rotating around a zero-G centroid for affordable simulated gravity.

[@notgreg123]

That's why the key is to launch as little stuff off of Earth as possible. The Moon is the single greatest gift the universe could've given us. It's actually cheaper in terms of Delta-v to go from the surface of the moon all the way to low earth orbit than to start on Earth and launch into LEO. The Moon has 20x the mass of the entire asteroid belt and is already in space for free. All you have to do is figure out how to build rockets there which isn't as ridiculous as it sounds

[@arnswine]

​@@notgreg123 Well, hehehe, I guess why not focus them big*ss billionaire-owned brainwaves on grandiose plans to relocate heavy industry to moon facilities, terraform Mars, and colonize space, etc.? There's money in it. Could be cheaper and faster to apply STEM leverage toward making machines capable of replacing fossil fuel dependency and decarbonizing the earth's corn-holed atmosphere over 30-40 years [in time to spare the grandkids], but rocket-loads of appliances and cars raining down from orbit just makes more scents. ;-)

[@arnswine]

@@notgreg123 Well, hehehe, I suppose... I mean, why depend on thousands of greasy 20,000 TEU container ships to move around materials and products from 250,000 factories to supply 8,000,000,000 consumers earth when tiny, fragile, explosive rockets can just rain down ingots and parts from orbit? I just makes sense to focus them billionaire-owned STEM brainwaves on rocket-based solutions to heavy industrial pollution. That way grandkids can still experience the joy of pretenting to solve the exact same problems we chased into fantastic PowerPoint presentations 20 years from now.

[@lars3509]

It is theoretically possible to not use energy at all (or only as little to overcome losses) by simultanously launching the same mass up. But this requires elevator-like concepts. Not rockets. So in theory, a double elevator concept where you transport the same mass up as you transport down needs no energy. Alternatively we could build a system where the energy is stored in the kinetic energy of the orbiter. i.e. the orbiter pulls something up from earth using some incredible tether and later regains the energy when it slows something down into the atmosphere. I know that this impossible from an engineering perspective for the foreseeable future. But this concept makes A LOT more sense when we are talking about the weak gravity, zero atmosphere situation we are encountering on the moon or asteroids.

[@notgreg123]

@@arnswine never said this was gonna replace container ships.

[@wesleyashley99]

Space debris moving faster than bullets will puncture large space habitats and the air will leak out. Also radiation from cosmic rays is a problem for long term life in outer space. Atmosphere and ground of a planet offers good protection from radiation.

[@avsystem3142]

Proposals for O'Neil habitats often posit construction of a thick shell made from the Moon's regolith to provide both meteor and radiation shielding.

[@bobtuiliga8691]

I've heard that taking cosmic drugs can help deal with those cosmic rays 🤣

[@althepalno1164]

There are many ways to mitigate the dangers of living in a space habitat, it's hardly a new topic and ideas have been around for decades. A very large habitat (big enough to house millions) could easily withstand quite large punctures and have loads of time to repair before too much air escapes. It would also have the ability to move out of the way of massive rocks.

[@deker0954]

Technology improves.

[@aceoh9536]

atmosphere only exists if a planet has a magnetic field powerful enough to sustain it. Mars currently doesnt have that for example. So on mars humans would have to live in closed habitats that would be susceptible to the same dangers. I dont know if it's easier to create an artificial magnetic field through the artificial rotating habitats Bezos is inspired by. But it seems a little bit more feasable as the rotating habitats would be build by us from the ground up, so we could also work on a solution for it and they could have atmospheres that don't need walls to keep the air in etc.

[@bobhart677]

Why not both? Space is big enough for both projects!

[@MrkBO8]

Rotation to produce gravity sounds like a great idea until someone has to turn around and then the fluids in their inner ear can start spinning as fast as the rotation

[@BrinJay-s4v]

I used to work with the UK IAM centrifuge and slowing down was the bad time brace hard against the headrest and do not let your head smash into your knees was the advice given for the end of a run.

[@toasty4000000]

This isn't actually a big deal. Scott Manley has an old video on this which I quite like. In short, some US and Russian cold war-era week-long experiments concluded humans can withstand ~2RPM with "instantaneous" adaptation and some up to ~10RPM with notable adaptation efforts. These experiments aren't perfect as they were performed on Earth and you can't get all the angles correct without being in space, but the results are positive. Also, the bigger something is, the slower it needs to rotate to approximate earth. If you want 1G, that's achievable in the tens of meters at these rotation speeds (ex: 60m radius at 4rpm gives 1.1G acceleration ). Bezos is proposing much larger structures, which sounds wild to me for a number of reasons, but at the size he's mentioned the rotational speed will probably be very comfortable.

[@Yoda052]

Right now, Bezos can’t even find my house, I don’t think I’ll trust him to take me to space. Musk 2028

[@notgreg123]

Bro really thinks humans will be on Mars in 2028

[@QuantumConundrum]

Ngl, I don't trust either. They are two sides of the same coin. Musk isn't good (or that bad) and the same applies to Bezo.

[@jabiraidan]

So far Jeff had managed to mimic Richard Branson...also between the two billionairs one wants to push humanity forward and is known for pushing intelligent people to work as he works, while the other is known for working low level employees to the bone (would you REALLY want to live on an Amazon station if you aren't part of the tech class?)

[@FuManJuw]

The movie Elysium is sounding like actuality more and more every day

[@dalex4k]

Came here to say that. What's easier? To move 1 percentile individuals in space or a heavy industry?

[@michaelbradley7529]

Bezos ideas are a pipe dream that are several lifetimes away from realization. Elon's plans are actually possible with current technology and will be achieved well within his lifetime, and the technology that is derived from that may actually help a realistic version of Bezos' plan.

[@Archonsx]

if he really believed in that, he wouldn’t have built a 10k years mechanical clock into a mountain

[@jamesgibson3582]

Is that real? I am into mechanical clocks. Will have to look that up!

[@HWJJSCHUMACHER]

BAYERN ::: LASS SIE DOCH INS WELTALL SAUSEN ::: ICH BLEIB HIER IN "BAVARIA"

[@bartsanders1553]

The one place in Germany I want to visit. The rest seems... bleh.

[@hessidave]

​@@bartsanders1553Bavaria is great but the tourist spots are overcrowded. Peak of Zugspitze feels like a cramped space colony

[@PloiakovPavel]

I feel like Sabina’s videos are getting shorter, provide shallower view, are less researched and have more ad time relative to the actual content. I wonder if others noticed the same.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

She's intelligent for sure, and she understand the physics she talks about. Her personal views are becoming more and more prominent, which is unfortunate. My rating of her has dropped significantly lately. But what do you expect from a leftist German? The problem in this world is that people already are expressing their own problems way too much, and think they are the only one with problems. Well here's a gutpunch: We all have problems, and not just a few minor ones either.

[@PloiakovPavel]

​@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 >what do you expect from a leftist German? - from Sabina I expect scientific insights into topics she selects, preferably with some physics explained . But lately i see pretty much commenting on news without adding much on top of news articles contents.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@PloiakovPavel One side she's saying physics is dead, and things must change to think of new theories, on the other hand she refutes every new theory out there, exactly she kind of behaviour that kills physics. She's a walking paradox lately.

[@JDRichard]

Someday, your shirt will go into a science museum, as we all know you from your shirt. Great show by the way.

[@ethereel6268]

As much as this is just a billionaire pissing contest, I love seeing this sci-fi stuff actually happening.

[@utkua]

Too much money is not good for mental health.

[@velisvideos6208]

Obviously not. And Bezos and Musk have way too much...

[@andrasbiro3007]

I don't see any such problem with either of them. But I'm willing to subject myself of a study on the topic, if someone gives me a couple hundred billions.

[@wesleydeng71]

Not for them, but for someone else.😅

[@utkua]

@@wesleydeng71 this long-termism is not alturistic, it is very similar to pharaohs looking a way to immortalize themselves. Our Neo-pharohs are dreaming of their pyramids. And want people to help them out.

[@AliothAncalagon]

I always said that Bezos vision makes more sense than Musks. But since Jeff needs 2000 years to build an engine I don't see him succeeding anyway. Seriously, that dude has been developing an orbital rocket for a quarter of a century by now and it still didn't have a single test flight yet.

[@gracialonignasiver6302]

As soon as I saw this title I knew the Amazon Worker comments were going to be coming in full. Because of that, people have an irrational hate of Bezos and everything he does. Funny because Musk works his employees just as hard and as long (there are plenty of stories of the horrible work conditions of Tesla) but because he doesn't have any many casual workers as Amazon (Amazon is just a basic warehouse) those stories don't get out as much. I've been saying for years that Bezos' idea for rotating habitats was far more plausible in the long term than Musk's idea of colonizing mars. If we ever gain the ability to travel freely throughout our solar system, why would we want to limit ourselves to living on another planet? I also think Blue Origin's long term plan is better. Using fuel for it's rockets composed of hydrogen and oxygen. Therefore they can potentially make fuel from any water/frozen ice source found in space.

[@andrewgoodall2183]

Yes, all of this, thank you. I've been going down these comments in the hope that someone somewhere will "get it". While Amazon warehouses and delivery driving are not good places to work, the whole "minimum wage work you to death in warehouses and factories" is done across the board, all around the world (I am middle aged and have experience of this). Absurd that folks focus on Amazon and not Tesla or any of the many thousands of workplaces around the world doing the same thing.