SMASHING the Ibis Send II wheels

[@JeffKendallWeed]

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[@BradRussellisAwesome]

Hats off to JKW for being open about getting a free bike in order to do a review, then proceeding to give real world, balanced feedback, including the negatives. Most Tubers are cagey about the transactions they have with brands, and still sing nothing but endless praise for products they’re sent to review. Being so straightforward gives a lot more weight to your reviews!

[@bjornelfsberg3518]

100%. I need to know the context.

[@IlIlIlIlIllIllII]

Dang, I have these on my Ripmo AF and I didn’t realize how bomb proof they are. If you can’t break them in that test there is no way in hell I’m gonna be able to break them hahaha

[@pauld1848]

Observation: In your i9 test, you landed front wheel first which kind of "whiplashed" the rear down onto the railroad tie. In this test, you landed rear first which allowed the force to be transferred forward and away from the rear wheel. I'm sure an engineer could explain the forces in play a lot better... But I think this contributed to the results. Either wheel is impressive though! I'd love to see a part 3 where you compare an older "standard" rim profile wheel like a DT Swiss EX511 or similar.

[@JeffKendallWeed]

Good point Paul, I did three separate track impacts though, can’t believe not a single one of those mangled the rim! It was really surprising.

[@158158cow]

Keep in mind that a mounted and inflated tire will lower spoke tension. I’ve seen a 10-15 kgf shift from this! Perhaps the I9 spokes are stiffer? Stainless generally has a lower elastic modulus (assuming the I9 spokes are 7000 series Aluminum)

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

I’ve been using the ibis wheels now for about 3 years(mind you I’m pushing 220lbs also!)have a blkbrd send set now, I love these rims. Having a set laced to i9 hubs this week. Absolutely 0 issues, tacos or serious dings on the S35 now send set. And only 99 for a rim, best deal out there for a rim!

[@hammertime7740]

These send wheels a ridiculously strong. That's mental they held up!

[@ixcel83]

That is crazy that you did not damage the rim! I am running race face arc rims and have been impressed with the strength. Awesome job on the review!

[@jamieleatham3978]

Thanks for posting this video and convincing me to get these wheels. Hands down just as good as your video shows. I blew up two reserve alloy rims this summer, switched to Ibis… not a dent and still riding strong as ever

[@Bixbysayshi]

Do you think tightening the spoke tension across the board might kind of bridge the gap in feel on the trail between these and your preferred I9's? I mean obviously it won't be quite the same no matter what, the spokes being aluminum vs. steel. But maybe you could get that more snappy, directly connected, energy efficient feel beck a little by upping the tension to like 100 or 120? I have these on my 2022 Ripmo AF, and without a gauge or anything, i could FEEL that the spoke tension was less the other bikes I've had and it's interesting you could qualify that. Or maybe it's best left alone because that compliance is what keeps them so tough? Maybe any contact with an Ibis engineer you may have could find out?

[@mtbmike9866]

Currently using these Blackbird wheels on an Ebike and so far so good. If the cheap hubs fail, I do plan to upgrade to some reliable/good DT350’s. I weigh 150lbs and normally run 27-28psi out back on DD tires otherwise I will destroy rims (heavy 55lb Ebike). On the new BB wheels I am running 23psi with just 1 puncture I was able to fix with a tire plug after 900 miles so far.

[@ericmarchant3060]

I love my ibis wheels. I'm a hard rider and i havent even dented them yet!

[@aaronblonden6774]

I'll see how this works but i built these onto a beefy 120/120 bike and am pairing 2.6 xc tires. Hoping for no pinch flats and lower pressure with it being hard to burp them. Never tried plus fast rollers on 29 and am excited. Appreciate what you do and the content you provide. - Humble bumbler

[@bermroller]

I had the Ibis S35 rims and they dented super easily. Ibis warranty was awesome though and they took care of me. These look like a huge improvement.

[@TucsonDude]

Wow! That's what I have. Were you being brutal on them??

[@bermroller]

No, I'm so light on wheels that I rarely have to true them. Once in a while I might come up short on a jump, but when I dented that rim I was trail riding, skipping over some roots and hit one hard enough that I thought the rim would be a little off, but it was buckled. I don't know if they're better now, but the S35's I got in 2020 were super thin.@@TucsonDude

[@TucsonDude]

@@bermroller Dang! That's no good. Mine seem so wide, too.

[@Dilberto88]

I destroyed my Bontrager Line Comp 30 wheels: massive rock kicked up and made a 3mm rim wall dent. I hope my new BLKBRD Send can do much better for the Trek Rail ebike.

[@paulwintermute1495]

My 2020 Ripmo came with s35 aluminum rims and they flat spotted the first weekend I rode them. I kept riding them for the season before upgrading to carbon rims (LB 933) and I'm super happy with how much stiffer the new wheelset is! It looks like Ibis fixed the biggest problem with their rims and now they are indestructible! Hats off to Ibis. (Not ever giving up my LB rims though)!

[@Jabeezala]

Is it possible Blackbird is a reference to the mythical spy plane, SR71? THAT'S COOL!

[@scottpetersen7698]

Thanks for another good review Jeff. By the way guys I rod the trial- Dad Bod, Sun (going much slower) which he filmed this on and lots of other videos. It is 3 times more rooty and rough than he makes it look. SKILLS for days!

[@bobberhex]

I have been had ths Send 35 for year o. My bike. I am a 215lbs 6Foot2 rides. They have taken a pounding. Zero pinch flats or warps. Soon as I get some free cash putting them on my wife's bike. I run 18 psi front 23 rear. 2.60 rekon 3c material wt tr 120 tpi. Best 500 bucks ever spent, psi I check the tension on mine a year layer they have almost zero change.

[@NickBainas]

Need to take the tire off to get the true spoke tension.....you tested the i9 with no tire. the i9 also run what looks like at least a 2mm or 2.3mm straight gauge spoke compared to the double butted spoke on the blackbird set.

[@vincedavis5326]

I had just watched your moto/ebike video, and this one was next up on my feed. Fun. Great wheel test! Looks like bomb proof wheels.

[@RobertoRodriguez-nj7ym]

Jeff was that a transition smuggler in the back? Would be cool if you did a review.

[@anthonywalters7434]

I’ve got a set of Hunt Enduro Wide wheels coming in the mail. It would be cool to see how they stack up in comparison. With taxes and shipping they cost me $425. It’s great to see the tech behind alloy wheels getting more and more advanced. Especially for riders on a budget.

[@adamgroves2811]

Can't go wrong with a wheelie! Great production on the video.

[@junjunmulleda5467]

Jeff you really have to try out a carbon wheel set with Berd fiber spokes. I have a set with I9 hydra hubs/weareone Carbon rims laced with @Berd spokes. The low rotational inertia and spokes makes for an amazing wheel set.

[@dohms92]

Omg the bird joke! Loved it

[@boringcyclingadventures]

Try now another blackbird :) Dartmoor blackbird ❤️❤️

[@FilipKopca]

On a Ibis spec sheet it says they use Sapim D-light spokes - that is a 1,65 center section. 0.5 is fraction Park Tool doesn't account for,.This means real tension is bit lower. Also you compared inflated tyre spoke tension with bare wheel spoke tension, which is going make a difference of about 15 kg force at this thickness from my experience. If the tool is somewhat calibrated It looks like wheel on the lower end of the tension spectrum No the best for longevity. Also sounds like it affected your impression. Still... i desire Send rims for my own build. Cheers!

[@wchangose]

I have Ibis BlkBrd Sends with Hydra hubs... an excellent combo.

[@bellarogers7202]

How much did that run you?

[@Boisecuda]

Ya Ibis! Good stuff always!

[@elendoev]

Amazing experience with those rims😆, damn, that's looks like the rims are undestroyable🤐 Thanks for sharing Jeff 😀

[@Sivart-508PIR]

Definitely a sturdy rim. But after owng I9s, there is no way I will go back to a 36 POI hub. Maybe if you could buy the rims and get built up with I9 hubs.

[@darrinkulyk9560]

Excellent Video 😎 Ya I was going to buy CF Rims but im liking my Spank 345s 8 months and just some Scratches I Ride Vancouver Daily 😎

[@Dream-season]

Excellent video as always! Activating the algo

[@bendu88]

Came with my ripmo af. Wide bead wall is great. Wished mine was send 1 front and back cause it comes with send 2 in rear and it's heavier.

[@griffinridesbikes2point0]

Dude. This hurts to watch. I still love Jeff though so I'll watch

[@benjaminbotelho336]

Doesn’t spoke tension go down when you inflate tires on the rim?

[@pascalbeaulieu4780]

I did not have the same experience, I punctured my tire and kinked the send II on my first day😢. This week I kinked the front send. I guess my next step is testing the Ibis warranty, and cushcore.

[@pascalbeaulieu4780]

Update on my wheels. Ibis customer service is #1 and they will replace the rims under their warranty no issues. Love companies that stand behind their product.

[@fud1376]

Got some Nukeproof Horizon V2's on my bike...Meag wheels....Ha !

[@jerryspeedbumps512]

Thats wheelie strong!

[@ezbeanss]

Try some DT Swiss rims next!

[@pauleddy5146]

Nice Jeff, a blue joke . . . oh, and sometimes fast is fragile.

[@Drogos79]

Would you recommend 29mm internal Ibis 933 wheels for lighter, quicker 2.35 tires? I have regular sends, they are wide and HEAVY. Trying to build lighter setup for racing.

[@tonym6633]

SR-71 Blackbird. Fastest plane to ever fly.

[@scottdouglas76]

That we know of…

[@Eric.V.]

Please pardon my ignorance. Do both wheel sets have the same spoke count? Also, is the diff in tension related to steel vs alum spokes? I think it’s fair to say that you get what you pay for with either wheel set😎

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

To an extent, realistically they both due exactly the same thing, minus the cool factor on the 690 poe. But that’s it, I’ve owned i9 hydra with steel straight pull and sold them because the spokes broke non stop. The plain Jane ibis branded wheels have been rock solid on my other bike ( ebike in fact!)

[@Eric.V.]

@@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Your straight pull Hydra’s had steel spokes?

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

@@Eric.V. yes they make the enduro S hydra wheelset. 28 spoke, straight pull steel spokes.

[@Eric.V.]

@@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Interesting! So these are like a more budget friendly version I guess?

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

@@Eric.V. yeah, like just under 1000

[@AZMTB]

I bent mine on my Oso on my first ride on the bike. Was pretty bummed. It's in the back of my mind now whenever I ride the bike.

[@JeffKendallWeed]

Holy cow, a front or a rear? I am blown away at how strong the Send II in particular is, that's crazy that you bent one!

[@TheHybridHunter307]

Curious how these would be on a 29 + hardtail

[@hammertime7740]

I'm buying an extra set for my chameleon. I'll let you know.

[@RZ1402]

Lace these rims up to a set of Torch/Hydras for the best of both worlds?

[@dansburns]

I wish Ibis would make these in Superboost spacing.

[@richardolausson9938]

Stoked on the wheels! Any thoughts on mulleting the Transition Spire? Really interested to find out if it improves the performance in tighter terrain :)

[@brianshea4906]

It’s called the patrol

[@bikebudha01]

You have to be VERY secure in your manhood to ride through the woods in your light blue one-sy pajamas...

[@John_D2]

I just got some ,trying to decide how wide of a tire to put on them. Thinking 29x2.6.

[@JeffKendallWeed]

Depends on your terrain and riding style. I like WTB or Conti 2.6 for rocky or loose stuff. For wet roots the Maxxis maxxgrip compound is so good that I just run the 2.5wt.

[@John_D2]

@@JeffKendallWeed Thanks Jeff !!

[@richmck007]

I really wonder if you can do all those stunts on an actual ( Ibis Mojo, for example…) carbon fibre bike without truly damaging the frame. Not exactly sure if the same tension on the frame is as it is on a wheel made of what must be as strong as Titanium. I have an 2nd edition mojo from 2007 and still riding and also titanium moots enduro and also an M5 aluminum Specialized fsr elite all of which have been through some intense ( there’s a brand we don’t see much of nowadays…) wear and tear over the years and are super light but I dare not do half the stunts you did any more! Respect to you for your crucial tests! Your better private parts held up well..!😊 ( I hope…😊 )

[@athishmarutharaj6001]

would it be possilbe for anyone to use industry 9 spoke tension (spokes and hub) with the blackbird rim?

[@TomCollins-c4h]

HI, I need some advice please. Considering ordering a new complete bike from Jenson. Should I go for it? Thanks

[@JeffKendallWeed]

Hi Tom, well I may be biased, but of course I think you should order a new bike! But seriously, prices are really good right now, and it's going to be an amazing summer for riding. Given global uncertainty, I've been a fan of living in the moment more than I was a few years back. Life's too short to not ride a good bike.

[@TomCollins-c4h]

@@JeffKendallWeed Thank you Jeff for your quick reply! I will give it a go. I'm sure things will all work out!

[@CRGT666]

I see you're wearing a Endura Helmet, the MT500 full face came to my country for a good price, have you used it? or do you have any opinion about that helmet?

[@JeffKendallWeed]

Hey Carlos I have not tried the Full Face. I’m not a huge fan of Koroyd material. I do like the Giro Switchblade I have tho!

[@maxrogan-goddard1473]

The Giro Insurgent is my new favorite, like a lighter Disciple with the ventilation of a Switchblade.

[@Radimus1990]

I broke spokes on these wheels today climbing somehow. Hoping for a good warranty experience. Someone needs to do a few less squats apparently.

[@Radimus1990]

Follow up, no warranty for spokes breaking on their own.

[@LastAphelion]

oof

[@sdrtyrtyrtyuty]

16:58 that's *precisely* what she said

[@rekamniar]

That was crazy indestructible. Or maybe you’re shedding weight this season?

[@MikeesTexas]

My gut tells me it’s not the i9 aluminum spokes that make those wheels feel more “energetic” but rather the i9 hub itself. Ive ridden wheelsets with steel spokes and i9 torch/hydra hubs and they feel more “energetic” than other hubs out there. I hoping i9 will be able to offer the new “easy install BERD spoke flanges” as an option in the future like Onyx is offering right now

[@mrvwbug4423]

that's a huge improvement. Any of those hits would've destroyed an S35

[@MarioXcore1]

The tension test thing was a little too bro-science. Depends on the elasticity modulus, along with the tension yes most likely. plus you also equated steel to aluminum so idk 🤷‍♂️ cool video regardless

[@los1379]

The Park tensiometer chart takes that into account.

[@MarioXcore1]

@@los1379 does it? it would need to measure stress, not tension 🤔. And say it did, the spoked would fall in the elastic part of the stress/strain curve, in which case all you would know is if you were deforming it plastically. Pretty sure its just tension though. What Jeff was doing is not easy, to relate tension to ride feel across materials and geometry, 🤷‍♂ maybe he can bring on an engineer from i9 to explain

[@tannerlind68]

16:40 😂

[@wtfdoicare]

Hey Ibis, send me some stuff and I'll make a video too!

[@wallyedmonds8199]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@thwood40]

Crank those spokes up to 125kgf and see how they ride!

[@audimaster5000]

Blueberry

[@trishaleaver3581]

Ummmmmmm that was way biased. You love the other wheels obviously. Trying soo hard to destroy the Ibis wheels. The Blackbird send wheels are RAD! I love fancy light custom wheels just like everyone does but those Ibis wheels are now on order!

[@mrpachuco696]

El algoritmo

[@kevincalvey9281]

the punchline of the joke is supposed to be "a swallow".... just sayin😉

[@sirvince7853]

Ibis BB rims are great but their hubs suck

[@gregoryflinn3577]

Should have shot it high speed.