Jehovah's Witness "Christ's Presence" Exposed

[@talkingwhiskey1507]

Yes!! A new episode!!! Time to take screenshots.

[@swagmastagfish]

We all just live the same lives don't we lol 🤣🤣 I be doin the same lol

[@Gonefishing185]

Me too

[@Mommyneedscoffee]

Great debunking of this JW doctrine! ❤

[@bretherenlee1404]

Just as teaching Jesus is God, immortality of the soul, once saved always saved, Christmas, Easter are not in the scriptures also the watchtower 1914 teaching is unscriptural. Daniel 4:22 Proverbs 30:6

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@bretherenlee1404 And you, as the new religious leader, will soon reveal the true Gospel and the true Jesus to humanity? Do you see yourself as the real faithful slave God recently chose?

[@bretherenlee1404]

@@MR-gx3gc I amas Luke 17:10 says.

[@richb.48]

@@bretherenlee1404 Why did I know you would be here? Oh yeah, the place you stay under the bridge was empty.

[@bretherenlee1404]

@@richb.48 well that hurt

[@user-ut5xh3yx5h]

My heart skips a beat when I see that a new video has been released on your channel! Thank you!

[@anagabrielagzz7236]

Wow! Didn’t knew that so well till you explained it! Great job ! Glory be to God

[@jimjuri6490]

See the prophecy at 2 Timothy 4:3,4. It is about these videos which tell people what they like to hear.

[@lionegberts]

Great chosen topic! Always wanted this to be highlighted. Merci beaucoup!

[@logicalreasoning4019]

Thank you for putting these videos together! I pray daily that all active JWs wake up and start searching! Your videos are so clear and concise that they can understand them.

[@brucebarnard]

See video @14.12. "Seeing is visual. End of story". Really? What did Job say at Job 42.5? Literal seeing God with his physical eyes? No. Hence the video makes a false claim.

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

PAROUSIA means PRESENCE and it is like the DAYS OF NOAH. notice DAYS -plural. Don't confuse between PRESENCE of the Lord, and his COMING-erkhomai to JUDGE which is still in the FUTURE

[@logicalreasoning4019]

@@Mr.DC3.1914 Jesus was PRESENT once he ascended to heaven and sat on the throne. Not some future time he would invisibly "come" and restore truth. That is no where in scripture.

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@Mr.DC3.1914to your commentary: PAROUSIA means PRESENCE and it is like the DAYS OF NOAH. notice DAYS -plural. Don't confuse between PRESENCE of the Lord, and his COMING-erkhomai to JUDGE which is still in the FUTURE --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As is well known, the topic of "parousia of Christ" is discussed and dealt with in this video-contribution. I hope that you will not negate this fact. In this respect, it would be very gratifying if we could devote ourselves to the actual task together. I urge you to immediately put aside the publications of the Watchtower Society and henceforth deal with the incontrovertible statements in the Bible itself. If you take one final look at your organization's Book of Insights, you will notice that the Watchtower Society, in its article on the Parousia Christi, quotes scholars who directly link the event of Christ's Parousia to the act of the rapture of Christ's bride. The Watchtower Society is therefore well aware that the doctrine of the Rapture is not fictitious, but is based on the teachings that the apostles publicly preached in the name of Jesus and immortalized in their writings. Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. II, presence, page 677, ============================================ Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 1, pp. 208, 209) states: “PAROUSIA . . . denotes b o t h a n a r r i v a l a n d a c o n s e q u e n t p r e s e nc e with. For instance, in a papyrus letter [written in Greek] a lady speaks of the necessity of her parousia in a place in order to attend to matters relating to her property there. . . . When used of the return of Christ, a t t h e R a p t u r e o f t h e C h u r c h , it signifies, n o t m e r e l y H i s m o m e n t a r y c om i n g for His saints, b u t H i s p r e s e n c e w i t h t h e m f r o m t h a t m o m e n t until His revelation and manifestation to the world.” Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon (revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, p. 1343) shows that pa·rou·siʹa is used at times in s e c u l a r G r e e k literature to refer to the “ v i s i t o f a r o y a l o r o f f i c i a l p e r s o n a g e .” Secular Greek writings are, of course, helpful in determining the sense of this Greek term. However, even more effective is the u s e g i v e n t h e w o r d i n t h e B i b l e i t s e l f . At Philippians 2:12, for example, P a u l s p e a k s of the Philippian Christians as obeying “not during my presence [pa·rou·siʹai] only, but now much more readily during my absence [a·pou·siʹai].” So, too, at 2 Corinthians 10:10, 11, after referring to those who said that “his letters are weighty and forceful, but his presence [pa·rou·siʹa] in person is weak and his speech contemptible,” Paul adds, “Let such a man take this into account, that what we are in our word by letters when absent [a·ponʹtes], such we shall also be in action when present [pa·ronʹtes].” (Compare also Php 1:24-27.) Thus, the c o n t r a s t i s b e t w e e n p r e s e n c e a n d a b s e n c e , not between an arrival (or coming) and departure. In view of this, J. B. Rotherham’s Emphasised Bible states in its appendix (p. 271): “In this edition the word parousia is uniformly rendered ‘presence’ (‘coming,’ as a representative of this word, being set aside). . . . T h e s e n s e o f ‘ p r e s e n c e ’ i s s o p l a i n l y [ s h o w n ] b y t h e c o n t r a s t w i t h ‘ a b s e n c e ’ . . . that the question naturally arises,​-Why not always so render it?” =========================================================================== With this in mind, I would like to refer you to the following message of the Apostle Paul in his first letter to the Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 4,15-18 ( N W T Study Edition) 15 For this is what w e t e l l y o u b y J e h o v a h ’s w o r d , that we the living who survive t o t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e L o r d ======================================================= will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because t h e L o r d h i m s e l f w i l l d e s c e n d f r o m h e a v e n ================================================== with a commanding call, with an archangel’ voice and with God’s trumpet, and t h o s e w h o a r e d e a d i n u n i o n w i t h C h r i s t wi l l r i s e f i r s t 17 Afterward w e t h e l i v i n g w h o a r e s u r v i v i n g ===================================== w i l l , t o g e t h e r w i t h t h e m , b e c a u g h t a w a y i n c l o u d s =============================================================== t o m e e t t h e L o r d i n t h e a i r ; ================================== a n d t h u s w e w i l l a l w a y s b e w i t h t h e L o r d. =================================================== 18 So keep c o m f o r t i n g o n e a n o t h e r w i t h t h e s e w o r d s. Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) Did the apostle Paul declare in his above letter that in Parosua Christi, the majority of Christ's followers will not participate in the act of the rapture? 2.) When will the act of rapture to heaven take place? Will the Rapture take place at a specific time or over an extended period of more than 100 years? 3.) Will the rest of the people on this earth who do not belong to this group perceive this procedure of rapture of the members of the body of Christ or not? And now to the all-important question 4.) Why did the apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, exhort his brethren not to follow anyone who claims that the parousia, or "the day of the Lord," has already begun? (2. Thessalonians 2,1-3).

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@MR-gx3gc The Apostles asked - “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”., Notice WILL BE, that is FUTURE TENSE., and that is not just in the first century. Why, you think the CONCLUSION of these system of things already started in Jesus' time?

[@aaronwood8012]

“Wherever there are two or three together I am there in your midst” - Jesus “You can’t Jesus or the Holy Spirit in your midst without us “ - watchtower

[@pocahontas4583]

Yes they preach that adamantly and say that “worldly” religions that are waiting for Jesus return already missed it. I as someone raised as a JW have no idea how I would Biblically prove 1914 in the ministry.

[@CherylArsenault123]

Wow, they say that? Do they also say that the resurrection has happened?

[@EL-IZ-At-BETH-sarim]

Thank you again!❤ Great video! Did you hear the new song for the 2024 convention? It sounds an awful lot like....Christmas?!?...😳🎄

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

New Song?! Oh I can't wait.

[@OhioPIMO]

It sounds *awful. FTFY

[@EL-IZ-At-BETH-sarim]

@@OhioPIMO Yes..."It's Christmas Jim, but not as we know it"...🤣

[@Cfalconeri]

Thank you for this informative video. I left the JW last year and am finding my way and having to deconstruct 40 years of born in brainwashing. I got into with my mother last night and I was explaining some things I have learned, and used the scriptures. She had nothing other than to state I was apostate and she will continue on because she does not want to lose her friends and family or leave the GB. I told her that she needs to let go of fear and talked about Matthew 19:29, as we may lose some for Christ but gain more. She stormed out. I am set and prepared as I have already lost friends and family due to the inhumane shunning practices and I am not even disfellowshipped. This was a great video and I see so much of their manipulation. They cherry pick scripture and bridge it with rhetoric. It always circles back to "obeying the slave" and doing what your told. I always hated the self proclaimed status they have made for themselves, likening themselves to Moses, John, Daniel, etc. Such blasphemy to claim you are the "new John class" and the channel to God. Also, note the threat on your life if you do not obey them! So much fear, judgment, and gross manipulation of peoples spiritual need. The GB has claimed the Gospel and Greek scriptures were written only for the "anointed" and have removed and stolen salvation from the "other sheep." Just despicable!

[@elly7519]

Well said. Your faith will help you overcome and shed the indoctrination 🙏

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

[@Cfalconeri]

@@Mr.DC3.1914 I do not know what your implying. I did not say there are many leaders. The Governing Body has replaced Christ and have claimed they are a channel to God and required for salvation. So, I guess if your a JW, yes you have many leaders and follow men.

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@Cfalconeri the gb NEVER teach that they ARE LEADERS. so pls stop twisting

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@Cfalconeri the ANGELS were used by GOD as Heb 2:2 mentions , so do the ANGELS replaced GOD themselves?

[@anniesavedbygrace]

Perfect thankyou xx God Bless x

[@judynoble4604]

Thanks for all you do. God bless all your work.

[@d.m.2857]

“Sound reasoning has no place in the Watchtower…..” (worth repeating)

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

YOU ARE confused between Jesus' coming and his presence. The time of separation as goats and sheep will be in the future still. Jesus' PRESENCE is different, and noted it like the DAYS of Noah, so it spans a period of time and not just ONE DAY. the PRESENCE of Jesus was not from the first century as it is close to the COMING of Jesus, just like the coming of the flood. Noah built the ark for a number of years and that is close and before the day of the flood

[@BasicBiblicalTruth]

Ya! As Mr.DC3.1914 (or whatever he goes by in the next 10 minutes) says, "YOU ARE confused," Jesus came in 1874 and started ruling in 1878 as the Watchtower confirmed in the 1920's. As the Watchtower said in 1922, “WE HAVE no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925.”[1] The Watchtower had "no doubt whatever" that Jesus returned in 1874, so anyone who disagrees with the Watchtower is obviously wrong. [1] Watchtower 1922 May 15 p.147

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@BasicBiblicalTruth WHAT is the CONTEXT which you antiJWs always reject. We are talking of the word PAROUSIA and you CHANGED the topic to different topics such as chronology

[@BasicBiblicalTruth]

I didn't change the topic. Jesus claimed he would ALWAYS be with his people (Mat 28:18)-that's an invisible presence. JW's claim that Jesus' invisible presence began in 1874 and Jesus started ruling in 1878, contrary to what the Bible says.

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@BasicBiblicalTruth Mat 28 is DIFFERENT. Jesus was always with us. Mat 24 talks of A FUTURE PRESENCE , so that's why it uses FUTURE TENSE - WILL BE - Matthew 24:39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man WILL BE. Also it was likened to the DAYS OF NOAH, DAYs - plural, and very close to that, the flood happened. Why , has the END HAPPENED already if Jesus was talking of his PAROUSIA in the first century?

[@pocahontas4583]

I’d like to see input on Mark 12:20-27. I was reading that during the memorial season and felt stunned because it seems to describe resurrection for the average person being in heaven as angels. It’s one of their assigned memorial Bible readings. But it is not read or explained during the memorial, or any other time that I know of.

[@jerryjohanan1940]

On a different xjw he had a thing about the new song that they're coming out for the District Conventions sure does sound like a Christmas song to me you need to look it up and I like to see your take on it and one of these videos

[@MrZeuqsav]

Of righteousness, because i go to my father, and you no longer see me, @John,16:10,

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Yeah, because he went to heaven. Let’s try this, if I say. “I’m going to live on Mars and you will no longer see me,” is that implying because I’m going to become invisible?

[@MrZeuqsav]

@LightoverDarkMinistry @Mat,28:19-20, Look!, I am be with you always," even until the end of this world," they never seen him literally, until they all died,

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@MrZeuqsav Because Christ's spirit indwells believers Romans 8:9-11, also because he's God.

[@MrZeuqsav]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry he is son of God, @Psalm,82:6-7/John,10:34-36, the things they personally learned from Jesus indwells in their hearts and minds, @Acts, 5:28-32, Jehovah gave his holy spirits to them, this declaration of Peter proves that the holy spirit is not one person, it can be given to many people , whereas the Father or his son cannot be given,

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@MrZeuqsav That's the Holy Spirit's role, being given as a gift, and seal. Also you said, the Son cannot be given? Read the Bible more and not the Watchtower. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” John 6:51 “I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” Isaiah 9:6 “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

[@aaronwood8012]

“Jesus is king for all eternity since he resurrected” -Bible “Jesus Christ as hanging out for 2000 years and then became king in 1914” - watchtower

[@jerryjohanan1940]

If Jesus is in charge of the organization he's not doing a very good job of it and what they need to do is disfellowship Jesus get him out of the organization

[@tongakhan230]

Actually, It's the other way round. Those who claim to be Christians and not DOING GOD'S WILL, have a bleak future. (Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Logically, only one united group can be doing God's Will. Any guess?

[@evanwindom]

@@tongakhan230 How is your notion that only one group can be united logical? How do you support your assertion that being in a group even matters? Have you not read what Jesus said? You keep pushing this idea of groups and organizations, but have never provided evidence to support your claims.

[@tongakhan230]

@@evanwindom :(John 13:35) By this all will know that YOU are my disciples-if YOU have love among yourselves.” (Matthew 24:9) “Then people will hand YOU over to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. Please explain who this YOU Jesus refers to? Please no 'Everyone except JWs' theory.

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@tongakhan230 to your more than disturbing comment: (John 13:35) By this all will know that YOU are my disciples-if YOU have love among yourselves.” (Matthew 24:9) “Then people will hand YOU over to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. Please explain who this YOU Jesus refers to? Please no 'Everyone except JWs' theory. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is forgivable to be in a state of ignorance, but it is unforgivable to deny objective, verifiable facts. Jesus Christ left the following assurance to all his true followers shortly before his ascension. Matthew 28,20 ( N W T Study Edition) 20 teaching them to observe a l l t h e t h i n g s I h a v e commanded you. And look! I a m w i t h y o u a l l t h e d a y s u n t i l the conclusion of the system of things.” This assurance does not refer to an organization, but to the individual members of the body of Christ, which together constitute the Bride of Christ. Jesus Christ Himself declared that this EKKLESIA, i.e., the individual members of His body on this earth, will continue uninterruptedly until His return. Matthew 16,17-18 ( N W T Study Edition) 18 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did. 18 Also, I say to you: You are Peter, and on this rock I w i l l b u i l d m y c o n g r e g a t i o n (note : Greek: E K K L E S I A and NOT Organization ) , a n d t h e g a t e s o f t h e G r a v e w i l l n o t o v e r p o w e r i t Jehovah's Witnesses claim to have restored the commandments and rules of early Christianity. A Christian is characterized by trusting the prophecies and messages of Jesus Christ rather than the contrary teachings of modern religious leaders (John 10:27-28). With this in mind, you need to be able to answer the following questions: Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) What earthly organization did the first Christians, such as Peter, Paul, and John and Timothy establish in the first century? Or what organization did the first-century Christians belong to? 2.) Are you really convinced that Jesus kept the promise he made to us two thousand years ago? 3.) By what works of charity has the Watchtower Society distinguished itself as the only true guardian of pure doctrine in recent decades?

[@richbaker7187]

@@tongakhan230 Tonga, did you just quote a verse that Jesus spoke about being hated by all hte nations for "WHO"S NAME"? Jesus said we would be hated by all nations for Jesus' name, not Jehovah's. It is the name of Jesus that nations, rulers and authorities have a problem with. People in ALL walks of life will be asked to NOT speak the name of Jesus, just like those people did in the Book of Acts. Whose name was it they were being asked to STOP speaking? Oh, Jesus. Try reading 2 Corinthians 5. All of it. Not just verse 20. And you are one of Jesus' Witnesses? Oh, sorry, you are a Jehovah's Witness. We, Ture Christians, are Ambassadors for Christ.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

1914? No. Second Coming hasn’t happened yet, duh. Revelation 1:7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen.”

[@jimjuri6490]

Aren't the people who pierced Jesus all dead? How will they see him?

[@mattgardiner614]

@@jimjuri6490 Exactly. And what about the blind? Most of them have eyes. Even if they don't work. 😂

[@evanwindom]

@@mattgardiner614 So you're saying the Bible is wrong, then, Matt? You realize you're not refuting a person -- you're taking exception to scripture. Kind of a dangerous hobby.

[@mattgardiner614]

@@evanwindom And another thing. Jesus said quite plainly: "..the world will see me no more.." (John 14:19) and no one has. Not even Paul during his 'road to Damascus' moment.

[@evanwindom]

@@mattgardiner614 So you're saying that the Bible contradicts itself? Or maybe John disagrees with Jesus? You're right, and they're both wrong?

[@QuëstionšnÅňşwęŕż]

Question. If parousia (presence) wasn't invisibly and actually means Arrived then why did Jesus need to provide a sign of things to show he has arrived if we could just witness him?

[@OhioPIMO]

The signs he provides them precede his arrival. "...these things must take place, but the end is not yet." When he arrives, there will be no question.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Yep.

[@richbaker7187]

@@OhioPIMO Ding! Exactly.

[@newstart4981]

6:32 Williams Henry Conley for a little over 3 years then Charles.

[@Kjs3vw]

Brilliant! ❤

[@LorieFossa]

DH 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 as I get deeper and deeper in the Bible! I can see clearer everyday how ridiculous this is looking from the outside in and that I was so afraid and totally deceived. It’s amazing though how when you are a JW, the control and implanted indoctrination since birth is continually trying to invade. I pray and I believe Jesus and God are truly truly making it clearer and clearer as the Bible says and freeing so many from what we would have never in a million years thought was deceptive. I can see how false it is now that I’ve really been free to look read the Bible in context without men saying they are the channel. Praying for all our families. God Bless you for always breaking this down. As much as we were indoctrinated we need to watch these over and over to reprogram and open our mind, our eyes to who God is and who Jesus is. And how important it is to know we have the “right” Jesus as our Lord. I had no clue, until the past couple years. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Forever grateful and thankful for all you break down. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@S.Her.]

@LorieFossa_CZT Yes! But don't just watch the videos. Pull out the Bible and read these Scriptures in their contexts. You don't want to know it because 'DH said it and he bases his stuff on the Bible.' You want to know it because YOU studied God's word and found it to be true! God bless you, and I'm so glad you were able to escape the so-called "truth" and find the actual Truth (God's Word/Son.)

[@LorieFossa]

@@S.Her. Absolutely @S.Her. 💞 I always have my Bible in hand and looking and researching! I am astounded how different it is reading a Bible that is not the NWT. I was just amazed though, sometimes I miss the obvious because being drilled as a child on these scriptures, my mind doesn't always catch the very subtle important differences. It's like have spiritual dyslexia. I am so dedicated to my daily research and scripture study. And DH has helped, he is one of several that have had a great impact on my realizing how important The Holy Spirit is to pray for and help discern what is true. Believe me, I will not just believe anything anyone says ever again. I am so so grateful and have finally found so much joy and peace just knowing that I have been Born Again and I pray never to be deceived again. Thank you for your words. It is important to look up everything. You should see my notes. I have been writing and writing to retain the correct scripture reading in my head. Thank you. 💞🙏

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@LorieFossa WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

PAROUSIA means PRESENCE and it is like the DAYS OF NOAH. notice DAYS -plural. Don't confuse between PRESENCE of the Lord, and his COMING-erkhomai to JUDGE which is still in the FUTURE

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@Mr.DC3.1914 to your more than disturbing commentary: PAROUSIA means PRESENCE and it is like the DAYS OF NOAH. notice DAYS -plural. Don't confuse between PRESENCE of the Lord, and his COMING-erkhomai to JUDGE which is still in the FUTURE ------------------------------ Your explanations are incompatible with the prediction of Jesus in his discourse on the Last Days. First, Jesus warned against false prophets because he foresaw that preachers would appear in his name who would spread the message that his parousia had already run its course. Second, in his discourse, Jesus foretold the characteristics you mentioned (wars, earthquakes, pestilences, food shortages, famines, economic crises) in relation to the time before the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple. Third, Jesus primarily and explicitly associated the "end" in which the events he described were to culminate with Judea, i.e., Jerusalem and its inhabitants at that time. Inference ========== If the events you describe were decisive for the beginning of the parousia, than the parousia must have begun as early as the 1st century. Matthew 24,4-15 ( N W T Study Edition) 4 In answer Jesus said to them: “ L o o k o u t t h a t n o b o d y mi s l e a d s y o u , ========================================================== 5 for m a n y w i l l c o m e o n t h e b a s i s o f m y n a m e , saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. ========================================================= 6 You are going to hear o f w a r s a n d r e p o r t s o f w a rs . See that y o u a r e n o t a l a r m e d , for these things must take place, b u t t h e e n d i s n o t y e t. ============================================ 7 “For n a t i o n w i l l r i s e a g a i n s t n a t i o n and k i n g d o m a g a i n s t k i n g d o m , and there will be f o o d s h o r t a g e s and e a r t h q u a k e s in o n e p l a c e a f t e r a n o t h e r 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. 9 “Then people w i l l h an d y o u o v e r t o t r i b u l a t i o n and will k i l l y o u, and y o u wi l l b e h a t e d b y a l l t h e n a t i o n s o n a c c o u n t o f m y n a m e . 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 M a n y f a l s e p r o p h e t s w i l l a r i s e a n d m i s l e a d m a n y ; ====================================================================== 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. 14 And t h i s g o o d n e w s o f t h e K i n g d o m w i l l b e p r e a c h e d in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, a n d t h e n t h e e n d w i l l c o m e . ==================================== 15 “Therefore, w h e n y o u c a t c h si g h t o f t h e d i s g u s t i n g t h i n g that causes desolation, as spoken about b y D a n i e l t h e p r o p h e t , standing in a h o l y p l a c e (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let t h o s e i n J u · d e ʹ a b e g i n f l e e i n g t o t h e m o u n t a i n s . ==================================================================

[@tina-xu7nf]

The master appointed the slave at his return is that the jehovah witness belief confusing

[@DetraMaloney]

@@tina-xu7nf lol it funny when you read that parable it's clear the slave was chosen before the departure

[@DetraMaloney]

It's upon his return that he see if the slave obey or disobeyed it's funny 🤣

[@benz8421]

Hi brother can you do a review on this weeks watchtower which is all about how jehovahs witnesses need to use the name Jehovah and that sanctifying his name is the theme of the Bible

[@aaronwood8012]

“Something … something …something….” -watchtower “Bullsh8 cult nonsense from a false prophet” - reality

[@MrZeuqsav]

When Peter was hungry and in state of trance, Jesus descend to him and said, come pick some and eat,

[@MrZeuqsav]

1st, Thess, 4:17, The Jw's believed Jesus has invisibly arrived ,but most christians wrongly awaits for his 3rd, coming,

[@jimjuri6490]

(1 Thessalonians 4:17) Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. This is where the few chosen who are still alive on earth are transformed into spirit beings to be with Jesus. Jesus has only a second coming. The above happens before the world is cleaned: (Psalm 37:9-11) For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. 10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. 11 But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

[@MrZeuqsav]

Wherever there are two or three talking about me, I'm in the middle, I often talked about Jesus with my friends and relatives , sometimes we are three and sometimes we are two, or more, we never seen him literally,

[@MrZeuqsav]

Who else did not believed Jesus declaration to his apostles personally, @John 16:10, this is righteousness ,because I will go to my father, and you see me no more,

[@robertbusuttil7848]

The jws inherited this heresy from the old mason charles t Russell who taught this heresy. From young Robert.

[@jwjim]

Questions From Readers What basis is there for saying that such phrases as “the one alone having immortality” and the one “whom not one of men has seen or can see” refer to Jesus rather than to Jehovah God? The apostle Paul wrote: “This manifestation the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, he the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see.”​-1 Timothy 6:15, 16. Bible commentators generally reason: ‘How could such phrases as “the one alone having immortality,” the “only Potentate,” and the one “whom not one of men has seen or can see” point to anyone other than the Almighty?’ Admittedly, such terms could be used to describe Jehovah. However, the context indicates that at 1 Timothy 6:15, 16, Paul was specifically referring to Jesus. At the end of verse 14, Paul mentions “the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Timothy 6:14) Hence, when Paul writes in 1Ti 6 verse 15 that “this manifestation the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times,” he is referring to a manifestation of Jesus, not of Jehovah God. Who, then, is the “only Potentate”? It seems reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the Potentate referred to by Paul. Why? The context makes it evident that Paul is comparing Jesus with human rulers. Jesus truly is, as Paul wrote, “King of those [humans] who rule as kings and Lord of those [humans] who rule as lords.”a Yes, compared to them, Jesus is the “only Potentate.” Jesus has been given “rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him.” (Daniel 7:14) No human potentate can make that claim! What about the phrase “the one alone having immortality”? Again, a comparison is being drawn between Jesus and human kings. No earthly rulers can claim to have been granted immortality, but Jesus can. Paul wrote: “We know that Christ, now that he has been raised up from the dead, dies no more; death is master over him no more.” (Romans 6:9) Thus, Jesus is the first one to be described in the Bible as receiving the gift of immortality. Indeed, at the time of Paul’s writing, Jesus was the only one who had attained indestructible life. It should also be kept in mind that it would have been wrong for Paul to say that Jehovah God alone had immortality, since Jesus too was immortal when Paul wrote those words. But Paul could say that Jesus alone was immortal in comparison with earthly rulers. Further, it is certainly true that after Jesus’ resurrection and ascension to heaven, he can be described as one “whom not one of men has seen or can see.” Granted, his anointed disciples would behold Jesus after their own death and subsequent resurrection to heaven as spirit creatures. (John 17:24) But no man on earth would see Jesus in his glorified state. Hence, it can truthfully be stated that since Jesus’ resurrection and ascension, “not one of men” has actually seen Jesus. True, at first glance, it may seem as if the descriptions found at 1 Timothy 6:15, 16 could apply to God. But the context of Paul’s words​-along with the corroboration of other scriptures-​shows that Paul was referring to Jesus. -w05 9/1 p.27

[@mattmurdock2868]

Yes, Christ is the only King, the only "Potentate" in the Kingdom of God. He is King of kings and Lord of lords.

[@elly7519]

You copy and pasted your entire comment. It came from questions from readers , who we all know is written to attempt to explain away known discrepancies in teachings. So now could you explain how the use of.... are anything but lies by omission? Also please copy and paste for all of us how and why wt assumed the role of the man with the inkhorn. And went out in the world marking people as goats if they didn't eat a wt magazine. Tell us how and by who's authority they assumed to be Jesus himself?

[@richb.48]

Do you ever have an original thought, or do you just like to cut and paste the same crap that is in your WT magazine?

[@jwjim]

@@richb.48 of course I have my own thoughts. Of course I do my own research. This video has a problem with what the “Watchtower” posted on their sight. He abhors the “…” and thinks the “Watchtower” is being deceitful. I simply should that the “Watchtower” has dealt with the scripture and explained it according to the context. In this later article, they didn’t need to restate something that has been established . if you curious, do more research and find out why they interpret a scripture different from how you interpret.

[@richb.48]

@@jwjim I know why they interpret differently than I do; because they ARE being deceitful. There is no way around it. The WT in notorious for using (...) and "...", without references for the source of who or what they are quoting. NO page numbers or anything. If you were a truth seeker, you'd know better, but you are not interested in the Truth, just the organization of men.

[@CherylArsenault123]

Amen. Lots of truth for those who have a love of the truth. God's word is truth. John 17:17 Yes, the Lord Jesus Christ has been reigning since he ascended back to heaven. He is with us spiritually and has been with his church for almost 2000 years. I can't help but believe there is witchcraft being used to deceive this many so strongly to such craziness! Just like unbelieving Jews did to the Christians in Galatia - Galatians 3:1. Their kabballah is witchcraft/sorcery and is still in high use. And they lure them in by their lusts of pride which is their downfall. JW's are in unbelief of God's word which is a very scary place to be. The Lord says that every eye will SEE him when he returns but they do not believe him because they listen to the liars, false teachers who mash up and spit out to change any and all verses of holy scripture that contradicts them. Using their manipulation through their own words and reasoning to deceive. I would hate to be them! It is forbidden to add or subtract from God's words. I cannot believe that they successfully use 1 Timothy 6:16 to say that the Lord's return has happened and is invisible. All to cover up a false prophecy. Good grief!

[@jimjuri6490]

When Jesus went back to heaven, God asked him to wait to be appointed King. Psalms 110:1. Luke 19:12 So he said: “A man of noble birth traveled to a distant land to secure kingly power for himself and to return. A distant land means a long time later.

[@Elroi3310]

Matthew 6 : Also, when you pray, do not act like the hypocrites, for they like to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the main streets to be 👉🏻seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your 👉🏻private room ( tameion ) and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you Praying In your inner room ( tameion ) so your NOT seen by man : invisible for the eyes of man So when people tell you Jesus is in the inner room (tameion) they say you can’t see him , he is invisible to the eyes of man. Jesus said not to believe this . Amazing how he knew people would tell this. Not only jws but also preterist say Jesus came invisible in 70 AD And pre trib folks with the invisible rapture.

[@danielcarranza1957]

❤

[@RG-qn2qm]

Christ will come audibly and visible.

[@mattgardiner614]

Nope.

[@RG-qn2qm]

@@mattgardiner614 Can you read?

[@RG-qn2qm]

@@mattgardiner614 ....Matthew 24:27 King James Version 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. What do you hear after you see lightning?

[@RG-qn2qm]

@@mattgardiner614 .....Thessalonians 4:16-17 King James Version 16 For the Lord (Jesus) himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@mattgardiner614 to your more than disturbing comment: nope How can you presume to declare Jesus’ personal predictions irrelevant? Jesus Christ predicted that his parousia or return would manifest itself in a scenario that would be visually noticeable to all people on earth. This personal message of Jesus is formulated in a way that is generally understandable and therefore requires no further interpretation. How can you claim to recognize Jesus Christ as your Lord and Master if you deny him the ability to put his biblical predictions into action? Matthew 24,29-30 (N W T Study Edition) 29 Then t h e s i g n o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l a p p e a r i n h e a v e n , and a l l t h e t r i b e s o f t h e e a r t h w i l l b e a t t h e m s e l v e s in grief, ================================= a n d t h e y w i l l s e e t h e S o n o f m a n c o m i n g o n t h e c l o u d s o f h e a v e n ================================================== w i t h p o w e r a n d g r e a t g l o r y .* Later in his famous end-times speech, Jesus compared his return to the day when Noah entered the ark and the flood devastated the earth. An event that affected every person on earth equally, not just Noah and his family members. Significantly, Jesus used the terms “parousia” and “coming” interchangeably in his speech. Furthermore, Jesus emphasized that this event would occur unforeseen throughout human history. This statement implies that the mathematical calculation of this date is impossible and illegitimate even for the true followers of Christ. Matthew 24,38-42 ( N W T Study Edition) 38 For as they were in those d a y s b e f o r e t h e F l o o d , e a t i n g a n d d r i n k i n g , m e n m a r r y i n g a n d w o m e n b e i n g g i v e n i n m a r r i a g e, u n t i l t h e d a y t h a t N o a h e n t e r e d i n t o t h e a r k, ======================================================= 39 and they took no note u n t i l t h e F l o o d ca m e and swept them all away, ======================== s o t h e p r e s e n c e ("P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ==================================================================== 40 T h e n t w o m e n will be in the field; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 41 T w o w o m en will be grinding at the hand mill; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 42 Keep watch, therefore, because y o u d o n o t k n o w o n w h a t d a y y o u r L o r d i s c o m i n g . (" e r c h o m a i " ) ============================================================================= Question to the Bible scholar ======================== Jesus predicted that the day of his return would coincide with the event described at Matthew 24:41-42, in which a group of the people living on earth would be “taken along” . Therefore, you must be able to provide solid evidence as to how this specific prediction of Jesus was fulfilled in the year, 1914. Matthew 24,39-41 (N W T Study Edition s o t h e p r e s e n c e ("P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ==================================================================== 40 T h e n t w o m e n will be in the field; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 41 T w o w o m en will be grinding at the hand mill; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 42 Keep watch, therefore, because y o u d o n o t k n o w o n w h a t d a y y o u r L o r d i s c o m i n g . (" e r c h o m a i " ) =============================================================================

[@aaronwood8012]

Wait - wait - what ?!!? You’re saying the watchtower misquoted scripture and leaves out key passages to prop up bullsh8t doctrine?!?!! …. Naaaaaaahhhhh

[@consumedbyfire1359]

So impressed with your channel and your degree of common sense. I have to disagree with you on one thing. 1 Timothy 6:16 appears to be talking about Jesus Christ. The one who is called Sovereign is also called King of Kings and Lord of Lords. In Revelation 19 we see Jesus wearing a robe written with the same title on it. The immediate context in 1 Timothy 6 is about Jesus. It seems that is who is being referred to. But ultimately, the Father and Jesus all share the same titles together as we see consistently in the Bible and especially Revelation. So you can be partly correct to say that the passage is speaking about the Father but since Revelation 19 reveals Jesus as the King of Kings then 1 Timothy 6 must also be referring to Jesus along with the Father. And with how Paul always lumps Jesus along with the Father in heavenly roles that is a reasonable conclusion.

[@CherylArsenault123]

I sort of get what you're saying but I disagree. In Revelation 21-22 it is clear that it will be God and the Lamb. 1 Timothy 6:16 King James Version 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (Who only hath immortality = Lord Jesus) (He is dwelling is the light. No man can approach that light. No man has seen that light nor can see it). = God the Father. The apostles and others did see the Lord Jesus Christ after his resurrection. That part in 1 Timothy 6:16 is not speaking of the Lord Jesus. John 6:46 King James Version 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

[@jimjuri6490]

When 1 Timothy 6:16 was written, only Jesus had been given immortality by God. By now those chosen ones who have died and been resurrected to be with Jesus ALSO would have got this SAME immortality. Philippians 3:20....., the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our humble body TO BE LIKE HIS GLORIOUS BODY by his great power that enables him to subject all things to himself. If Jesus is God, wouldn't all these chosen one also end up as God?

[@mattgardiner614]

@@jimjuri6490 I like your reasoning Bro. Jim. 2 Peter 1:4 is another good one to use. "Through these things he has granted us the precious and very grand promises, so that through these YOU may become SHARERS IN DIVINE NATURE, having escaped from the world’s corruption produced by wrong desire." Christendom adherents will often make the claim that Christ is of the same nature as God. No wonder nobody replied to you, though it's been more than a month.

[@jimjuri6490]

@@mattgardiner614 : True! The chosen ones share the nature of Jesus after their similar resurrection as Jesus. Galatians 3:21 who will transform our (the chosen ones) humble body to be like his (Jesus') glorious body If Jesus is God, these chosen ones would have to become God too. Another thing. Jesus is going to be married. Revelation 21:9...“Come, and I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” Can the 'Jesus was God' believers explain how God is going to get married. These videos are a fulfillment of 2 Timothy 4:3,4. It is about certain 'teachers' catering to the whim and fancies of people.

[@timistrue]

Whatever happened to Michael? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@evanwindom]

A modern eccentric basement dweller? "C'mon, man!" I was totally sure you were going to tie that to Biden there for a minute.

[@spellbound111]

It is possible for someone to be present and yet invisible. Luciano Pavarotti said that the best compliment anyone ever gave him was when a girl on a bicycle bumped into him and said, "Sorry, I didn't see you there."

[@jimjuri6490]

True! If Jesus was coming literally, what need would there be to give signs to herald his presence? Matthew 24:33 Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors.

[@Elroi3310]

According to 2 Peter 3:4 -10 the parousia is the day of Jehovah 2 Thessalonians 2: 1 However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Paul also calls the parousia the day of Jehovah . So when is the day of Jehovah ? Than we will know when his parousia is . Joel 2: 30 And I will give wonders in the heavens and on the earth,Blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood 👉🏻Before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah. According to Jesus this event will happen AFTER the tribulation Matthew 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. So the day of Jehovah/parousia will be after the tribulation

[@jimjuri6490]

A day begins with some event. Jesus' coming in Kingdom power begins that day. Many things happen DURING that day. Revelations 1:10 By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, Jesus' presence will span a long time.

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@jimjuri6490 to your comment: A day begins with some event. Jesus' coming in Kingdom power begins that day. Many things happen DURING that day. Revelations 1:10 By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your explanations are untenable, because John did not choose the term "Day of the Lord ("Kyrios")" at this point, but his adjectival derivation "the Lord's day". In addition, there is the following elementary fact, which you have studiously concealed in your commentary. Jesus instructed John to write down the visions for the 7 churches, which, as is well known, already existed at that time. Revelation 1,10-11 ( N W T Study Edition) 10 By inspiration I came to be in t h e L o r d ’ s d a y (note: greek: κυριακῇ (kyriakē)), and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet, 11 saying: “What you see, w r i t e i n a s c r o l l and s e n d i t t o t h e s e v e n c o n g r e g a t i o n s : in Ephʹe·sus, in Smyrʹna, in Perʹga·mum, ============================================= in Thyatira, in Sarʹdis, in Philadelphia, and in Laodicea.” Revelation 1,19 +20 ( N W T Study Edition) 19 So write down t h e t h i n g s y o u s a w , (note: chapter 1) ============================ a n d t h e t h i n g s t h a t a r e , ( note: chapters 2 and 3) ================================ a nd t h e t h i n g s t h a t w i l l t a k e p l a c e a f t e r t h e s e . 20 As for the sacred secret of the s e v e n s t a r s t h a t y o u s a w in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars mean the angels of t h e s e v e n c o n g r e g a t i o n s , and the seven lampstands mean the s e v e n c o n g r e g a t i o n s . This specific designation was used among Christians at the time as a synonym for the "day of the resurrection of Jesus". So this term, means no more or less than that John received these visions on a Sunday at the end of the first century. (see Bible Hub). Biblehub ========== 2960 kyriakós (an adjective, derived from 2962 /kýrios, "lord") - properly, pertaining (belonging) to the Lord (kyrios). 2960 (kyriakós) is used of the Lord's Supper (i.e. "communion," the Lord's table) and "the Lord's day" (Sunday) as the appointed day for rest and worship. See 1 Cor 11:20; Rev 1:10. ================================================ If John had had the same event in mind as you did when he used the term "Lord's Day," this logic implies , that this event must have begun as early as the end of the first century and not only in 1914. Question to the Bible scholar ======================== Have you realized that your reference to John 1:10 refutes your own theory?

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@MR-gx3gc YOU ARE confused between Jesus' coming and his presence. The time of separation as goats and sheep will be in the future still. Jesus' PRESENCE is different, and noted it like the DAYS of Noah, so it spans a period of time and not just ONE DAY. the PRESENCE of Jesus was not from the first century as it is close to the COMING of Jesus, just like the coming of the flood. Noah built the ark for a number of years and that is close and before the day of the flood

[@rustyshadow7]

There is no such thing a secret "rapture." When Christ comes to gather His bride (the church) "every eye" WILL SEE HIM, and it will happen AFTER the apostacy and the antichrist is revealed. Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered to meet him. 2 Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us. 3 Don’t be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed-the one who brings destruction. 4 He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 NLT

[@tongakhan230]

Paul clearly stated that the apostasy was raising its head then and there even with the Apostles alive. 2 Thess 2:7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness IS ALREADY AT WORK, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. Those acting as a restraint were the apostles). Once they died, Satan took over. That is how we got the trinity and other unbiblical teachings. Jesus' presence will expose these falsehoods. Verse 8.....whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his PRESENCE. Every eye will see Jesus cannot be literal, can it. JWs make Jesus' PRESENCE known worldwide. See the prophecy at Matthew 24:14 being fulfilled by JWs.

[@rustyshadow7]

@@tongakhan230 So you're a j-dub?

[@rustyshadow7]

@@tongakhan230 "Every eye will see Jesus cannot be literal, can it?" Why Not? "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in 'the whole world' as a testimony to 'all' nations" Matthew 24:14 This can't be literal either, can it?

[@tongakhan230]

@@rustyshadow7 : JWs going house to house proclaiming Jesus' return in fulfillment of Matthew 24:14 is literal. According to Jesus, most in the world will take no notice. Matthew 24:39. Rev 1:7 Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Those who pierced Jesus are dead. Thus seeing must be an understanding and not a literal seeing. Which will be impossible.

[@rustyshadow7]

​@@tongakhan230 So every person gets the gospel means every person gets the gospel, but every person will see Christ coming does not mean every person will see Christ coming? This is typical cult mentality. Matthew 24:37-39 Clearly, Jesus is saying that the wicked will not be aware (or even care) about the coming judgement "just as in the days of Noah" but they most definitely saw when the day of judgement came. Likewise, when the day of the Lord Jesus Christ comes, Paul says this concerning the wicked "3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction will come upon them like labor pains upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 But concerning the righteous Paul says; 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness, so that the day would overtake you like a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4 So the wicked will not be aware when the Day of the Lord Jesus is near but the righteous WILL, and when He comes EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, in fact, they will say "to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”' Revelation 6:16-17 Jesus said to those who pierced Him “I AM; and YOU shall SEE the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and COMING with the clouds of heaven.” Mark 14:62 Jesus also says "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on ME, the one they have pierced..." Zechariah 12:10 So both Old and New Testaments say that when Christ COMES He WILL be VISIBLE for ALL TO SEE. The WT cult says "not so." I'll trust THE BIBLE thank you.

[@renatovasquez6041]

Matthew, 28:19-20, Jesus instructed his apostles, v, 20, "Teaching them to obey what i commanded to you, and lo, i am always with you until the close of these age," now, did the apostles literally sees Jesus "always with them? It is obvious, the Jw's were right, Jesus as Michael the Archangel, invisibly always with his apostles, and the trinitarians still not concludes these Peter's declarations, @Acts, 5:28-32, "Jehovah rose Jesus and exalted him as chief angel, Psalm , 110:1-2, 😁😁😁😁

[@christiancrusader9374]

That's not what it says. It says prince and savior, chief archangel. I suggest looking it up in the Greek.

[@mattmurdock2868]

If course nothing like that can be found in scripture. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Heb.13:8 This leaves little time left over to go masquerading around as Michael. Christ promised the Holy Spirit, not Michael.

[@renatovasquez6041]

Exactly, prince and savior,but he is not the punisher, theres no other God apart from Jehovah, He wound, and he heals, he will put to death and will make alive, these what Jesus whispered to his apostles, Matthew, 10:26-28 /Acts 5:28-32,

[@renatovasquez6041]

True, Jesus promised to them that his father will send his Holy spirit, which is Gods active power, not a one person, it was given to his twelve apostles, and to those who also obey Jehovah, the apostles witnessed these matters, Acts, 5:32,

[@mattmurdock2868]

@@renatovasquez6041 Gods active power is His Word. It is by His Word that all things were created, it is by the power of His Word that all things are held together, and it is through the power of His word that accomplishes His will. When the Father wants something done, accomplished, activated, He sends His Word. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son, sent to the followers of Christ with signs, wonders and miracles. The Holy Spirit indwells all followers of Christ, and it is by His Spirit we cry "Abba." All in Christ are anointed of and by Him, and all in Christ have the Holy Spirit.

[@brucebarnard]

"Seeing with the eye is something visual. End of story" @ 10.32. Really? End of story? Really? What does Job 42.5 mean then? That Job literally saw God with his physical eyes? You must believe Job did or you are wrong about your claim. Which is it?

[@brucebarnard]

​​​@@davidagnew8792Paul also says(1 Tim.6.16), about this "Potentate", as the one who is "the one alone having immortality". If this means God(the Father) then Jesus is not immortal? But he is. -Hebrews 7.15, 16. Or, if this immortal Potentate(Ruler), *in contrast to all human ones*, who are all mortal, then it must be the Lord Jesus Christ who is this "Potentate"? Compare 1 Tim. 6.15 with Revelation 17.14; 19.16.

[@brucebarnard]

​​​​​@@davidagnew8792Another thing I saw omitted from the video at around 4.56 where Hebrew 10.12, 13 is quoted, rather too quickly I felt, where it also says, but the speaker does not say out loud himself: "But this man offered one sacrifice for sins for all time and sat down at the right hand of God, *from then on waiting until* his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet." Here we read of a period of time were Jesus would "wait" at God's right hand until his enemies were made a footstool for him. This is from Psalm 110.1 where we can read: "The utterance of Jehovah[YHWH] to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand *Until* I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Seems to me this "Lord" has to *wait* at God's right hand *until* what we read in vv.2ff is to begin.v

[@BasicBiblicalTruth]

My goodness, JWs are the most biblically illiterate people on the planet. In Job 42:5, hearing and seeing is an idiomatic expression distinguishing between a distant and personal experience. The queen of Sheba heard of Solomon's words and wisdom but when she came and heard him for herself, she "saw" his words and wisdom for herself. Do we have the same type of idiom in relation to Jesus' return? No. It's called reading the Bible in context, something JWs don't know how to do.

[@brucebarnard]

And I encourage all here to read what *Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary, Old and NT Words* says under it's entry "Coming (noun)" which agrees with the meaning the NWT gives for PAROUSIA. In part it says "[PAROUSIA] denotes *both* an "arrival" *and* a consequent "presence with." Check it out. Also in an appendix to the NWT1984 Reference edition we can read: Liddell and Scott’s A Greek-English Lexicon (LS), p. 1343, gives as the first definition of pa·rou·siʹa the English word presence. Likewise TDNT, Vol. V, p. 859, states under the subheading “The General Meaning”: “παρουσία [pa·rou·siʹa] denotes esp[ecially] active presence.”The word pa·rou·siʹa, “presence,” is different from the Greek word eʹleu·sis, “coming,” which occurs once in the Greek text, in Ac 7:52, as e·leuʹse·os (Lat., ad·venʹtu). The words pa·rou·siʹa and eʹleu·sis are not used interchangeably. TDNT, Vol. V, p. 865, noted that “the terms [paʹrei·mi and pa·rou·siʹa] are never used for the coming of Christ in the flesh, and παρουσία never has the sense of return. The idea of more than one parousia is first found only in the later Church [not before Justine, second century C.E.] . . . A basic prerequisite for understanding the world of thought of primitive Christianity is that we should fully free ourselves from this notion [of more than one parousia].” Concerning the meaning of this word, Israel P. Warren, D.D., wrote in his work The Parousia, Portland, Maine (1879), pp. 12-15: “We often speak of the ‘second advent,’ the ‘second coming,’ etc., but the Scriptures never speak of a ‘second Parousia.’ Whatever was to be its nature, it was something peculiar, having never occurred before, and being never to occur again. It was to be a presence differing from and superior to all other manifestations of himself to men, so that its designation should properly stand by itself, without any qualifying epithet other than the article,-THE PRESENCE.“From this view of the word it is evident, I think, that neither the English word ‘coming’ nor the Latin ‘advent’ is the best representative of the original. They do not conform to its etymology; they do not correspond to the idea of the verb from which it is derived; nor could they appropriately be substituted for the more exact word, ‘presence,’ in the cases where the translators used the latter. Nor is the radical [root] idea of them the same. ‘Coming’ and ‘advent’ give most prominently the conception of an approach to us, motion toward us; ‘parousia’ that of being with us, without reference to how it began. The force of the former ends with the arrival; that of the latter begins with it. Those are words of motion; this of rest. The space of time covered by the action of the former is limited, it may be momentary; that of the latter unlimited . . . .“Had our translators done with this technical word ‘parousia’ as they did with ‘baptisma,’-transferring it unchanged,-or if translated using its exact etymological equivalent, presence, and had it been well understood, as it then would have been, that there is no such thing as a ‘second Presence,’ I believe that the entire doctrine would have been different from what it now is. The phrases, ‘second advent,’ and ‘second coming,’ would never have been heard of. The church would have been taught to speak of THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, as that from which its hopes were to be realized, whether in the near future or at the remotest period,-that under which the world was to be made new, a resurrection both spiritual and corporeal should be attained, and justice and everlasting awards administered.”Also, Bauer, p. 630, states that pa·rou·siʹa “became the official term for a visit of a person of high rank, esp[ecially] of kings and emperors visiting a province.” In Mt 24:3, as well as in other texts such as 1Th 3:13 and 2Th 2:1, the word pa·rou·siʹa refers to the royal presence of Jesus Christ since his enthronement as King in the last days of this system of things. - NWT Ref.edition 1984 appendix 5.b. Please consider its' quoted non-WT sources and what *they* say.

[@brucebarnard]

Also check out Vine's Expository Dictionary under "Coming(noun)" which agrees that PAROUSIA denotes both an arrival *and* a consequent "presence with."

[@charlesoverton]

He's coming to independence, mo. All mormons know that is fact.

[@heydees]

God is a Spirit-John 4:24. Obviously talking about the Father, the Ancient of Days... Why would Christ have a different body? Presumably alot of "other" christians believe the Son is "equal" to the Father. It's mainly the implication of "creature" that "christians" don't like. Do you make videos on the sole basis of [what] you actually believe and not somehow connected with disrespecting Jehovah's Witnesses? (along with the name Jehovah by the way.) The main basis of JWs bible translation is that it's not written in favor of the trinity and the church and the cross... like almost every other bible there is... Your voice always reminds me of the actor Matt Frewer.

[@mattgardiner614]

It's actually quite remarkable in how many videos DM refuses to give his opinion, or comes right out and says he doesn't know, but he just knows JW's are wrong. I see something of the politician in him. My hunch is that avoids giving his opinions sometimes because he KNOWS that there are those on his side who think differently and wouldn't be able to resist the urge to say so in a comment. He wants to maintain the 'United Christendom' facade. (Another frequent commentator has used the term 'Historical Christianity' a lot lately). Someone who comments a lot on here by the name of 'Brethrenlee' is not a Brother, but agrees with us more often than not. I think some who haven't read his comments carefully probably assume he is a Witness. So he's often attacked. Which, - even if there weren't other examples of non-witnesses disagreeing on here - would of itself be proof that the idea they want to propagate, that Christendom is 'One' is delusional. It never ceases to amaze (or amuse) me that they think everyone buys it.

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@mattgardiner614 to your comment ============== Someone who comments a lot on here by the name of 'Brethrenlee' is not a Brother, but agrees with us more often than not. I think some who haven't read his comments carefully probably assume he is a Witness. ------------------------ You should be aware that BrethrenLee runs his own KZbin channel, which criticizes Jehovah's Witnesses' teachings about the invisible presence of Christ since 1914 and the practice of shunning former members. I advise you to confront him with the question of whether he himself was once a member of the Watchtower Society. In the interest of trustworthy reporting, you should conduct thorough research on the topic in question.

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@mattgardiner614 to your comment ================= It's actually quite remarkable in how many videos DM refuses to give his opinion, or comes right out and says he doesn't know, but he just knows JW's are wrong. ------------ You told me some time ago that you are the father of three children, whose upbringing, as I recall, you are still responsible for. I ask you to imagine that one of your children, as part of an unbiased continuing education, watched this video dealing with the specific topic of the Parousia or Second Coming of Christ. In addition, we assume that after studying the relevant Bible passages independently, your child will ask you the following questions over dinner. Questions from one of your childrens =============================== 1.) According to the following scripture, why did Jesus specifically warn his true followers against preachers who would spread the message in his name before his actual return that his return had already occurred? 2). Is it conceivable that when Jesus predicted his parousia, he had in mind a continuation of the phase of his invisible presence that began with his ascension two thousand years ago? Matthew 24,23-27 ( N W T Study Edition) 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ, or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and f a l s e p r o p h e t s will arise and w i l l p e r f o r m g r e a t s i g n s and wonders so ============================================================= as t o m i s l e a d , i f p o s s i b l e , e v e n t h e c h o s e n o n e s 25 Look! I have f o r e w a r n e d you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 F o r j u s t a s t h e l i g h t n i n g c o m e s ou t o f t h e e a s t a n d s h i n e s o v e r t o t h e w e s t, ============================================================================================ s o t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "P a r o u s i a" ) o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ====================================================================== Luke 17,22-24 (N W T Study Edition) 22 Then he said to the disciples: “ D a y s w i l l c o m e w h e n y ou w i l l d e s i r e t o s e e o n e o f t h e d a y s of the Son of man, b u t y o u w i l l n o t s e e i t. 23 And people w i l l s a y t o y o u , ‘See there!’ or, ‘See here!’ D o n o t g o o u t o r c h a s e a f t e r t h e m . 24 F o r j u s t a s l i g h t n i n g f l a s h e s f r o m o n e p a r t o f h e a v e n t o a n o t h e r p a r t o f ============================================================================================= h e a v e n, s o t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e i n h is d a y =============================================.

[@MR-gx3gc]

​@@mattgardiner614I hope that as a responsible father you will not withhold the answers to the following legitimate questions from your child. Questions from one of your childrens =============================== 1.) According to the following scripture, why did Jesus specifically warn his true followers against preachers who would spread the message in his name before his actual return that his return had already occurred? 2). Is it conceivable that when Jesus predicted his parousia, he had in mind a continuation of the phase of his invisible presence that began with his ascension two thousand years ago? Matthew 24,23-27 ( N W T Study Edition) 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ, or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and f a l s e p r o p h e t s will arise and w i l l p e r f o r m g r e a t s i g n s and wonders so ============================================================= as t o m i s l e a d , i f p o s s i b l e , e v e n t h e c h o s e n o n e s 25 Look! I have f o r e w a r n e d you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 F o r j u s t a s t h e l i g h t n i n g c o m e s ou t o f t h e e a s t a n d s h i n e s o v e r t o t h e w e s t, ============================================================================================ s o t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "P a r o u s i a" ) o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ====================================================================== Luke 17,22-24 (N W T Study Edition) 22 Then he said to the disciples: “ D a y s w i l l c o m e w h e n y ou w i l l d e s i r e t o s e e o n e o f t h e d a y s of the Son of man, b u t y o u w i l l n o t s e e i t. 23 And people w i l l s a y t o y o u , ‘See there!’ or, ‘See here!’ D o n o t g o o u t o r c h a s e a f t e r t h e m . 24 F o r j u s t a s l i g h t n i n g f l a s h e s f r o m o n e p a r t o f h e a v e n t o a n o t h e r p a r t o f ============================================================================================= h e a v e n, s o t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e i n h is d a y =============================================.

[@mattgardiner614]

@@MR-gx3gc Thanks for the comment. I see that my comment is no longer here. I would be very interested to know if DM has given anybody else the authority to moderate this channel, and if anyone else has the ability to delete comments. I comment on a variety of channels about a variety of subjects - Christianity, History, Sport, Cryptozoology, Computer Games, Music, etc., - and it has never happened before. Even on the religious channels. Here, I would guess it's one out of every three of my comments disappears within 24 hours. Some people have said it's KZbin themselves, but the frequency and the fact I don't have this happen on other channels is very suspicious. Anyway, I am aware that Brethrenlee runs his own channel. Never been there, but I've read other people in this comments section make reference to it. It takes nothing away from my point. Which was that Christendom is NOT united. Never has been since the death of the last Apostle. (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 6,7) But the picture being painted here is that there are (What you perceive to be) Christians and there are JW's. Many of the anti-witnesses on here act as if, if they say something often enough, it somehow makes it true. (Or, if they say it often enough, folks will believe it) Another example is when people on here say that Jehovah's Organization is hemorrhaging numbers. The owner said it again in his little comment about the new convention song. How can I view this as anything but a blatant lie? The figures are made public every single year. You can go to the JW site directly or get there via google and see all the statistics for yourselves. And yet he, and others, keep saying it. And others, apparently, take his word for it without checking for themselves.

[@Terrylb285]

The watchtower Bible and tract society is the way the truth and the life , no one comes to the father but through them. John 14:6

[@DetraMaloney]

The Bible said Jesus not no other man 1 Corinthians 3:11 no other foundation than Jesus Christ

[@Terrylb285]

@@DetraMaloney correct . But the Watchtower organization will tell you different.

[@DetraMaloney]

@@Terrylb285 oh I know lol 🤣 but no other foundation will anyone find but Christ. But they believe otherwise

[@Terrylb285]

@@DetraMaloney Those who desire life in the new order must come into a right relationship with the organization. WT 11/15/1981 page 16-17. Come to Jehovahs organization for salvation,page 21

[@DetraMaloney]

@@Terrylb285 where is the scripture not the watchtower saying

[@dianeexley1709]

The cow, pooping....😂😂

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

PAROUSIA means PRESENCE and it is like the DAYS OF NOAH. notice DAYS -plural. you are confused between PRESENCE of the Lord, and his COMING to JUDGE which is still in the FUTURE

[@MR-gx3gc]

The term parousia was used in ancient times to refer to the visit of a ruler or a king to his subjects. A visit generally begins with arrival and then extends over a definite or indefinite period of time. The starting point of the parousia is therefore the event of arrival. Your organization has recognized this fact itself as can be seen from the statements in the following publication. Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. II, presence, page 677, ============================================ Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 1, pp. 208, 209) states: “PAROUSIA . . . denotes b o t h a n a r r i v a l a n d a c o n s e q u e n t p r e s e nc e with. For instance, in a papyrus letter [written in Greek] a lady speaks of the necessity of her parousia in a place in order to attend to matters relating to her property there. . . . When used of the return of Christ, a t t h e R a p t u r e o f t h e C h u r c h , it signifies, n o t m e r e l y H i s m o m e n t a r y c om i n g for His saints, b u t H i s p r e s e n c e w i t h t h e m f r o m t h a t m o m e n t until His revelation and manifestation to the world.” Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon (revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, p. 1343) shows that pa·rou·siʹa is used at times in s e c u l a r G r e e k literature to refer to the “ v i s i t o f a r o y a l o r o f f i c i a l p e r s o n a g e .” Secular Greek writings are, of course, helpful in determining the sense of this Greek term. However, even more effective is the u s e g i v e n t h e w o r d i n t h e B i b l e i t s e l f . At Philippians 2:12, for example, P a u l s p e a k s of the Philippian Christians as obeying “not during my presence [pa·rou·siʹai] only, but now much more readily during my absence [a·pou·siʹai].” So, too, at 2 Corinthians 10:10, 11, after referring to those who said that “his letters are weighty and forceful, but his presence [pa·rou·siʹa] in person is weak and his speech contemptible,” Paul adds, “Let such a man take this into account, that what we are in our word by letters when absent [a·ponʹtes], such we shall also be in action when present [pa·ronʹtes].” (Compare also Php 1:24-27.) Thus, the c o n t r a s t i s b e t w e e n p r e s e n c e a n d a b s e n c e , not between an arrival (or coming) and departure. In view of this, J. B. Rotherham’s Emphasised Bible states in its appendix (p. 271): “In this edition the word parousia is uniformly rendered ‘presence’ (‘coming,’ as a representative of this word, being set aside). . . . T h e s e n s e o f ‘ p r e s e n c e ’ i s s o p l a i n l y [ s h o w n ] b y t h e c o n t r a s t w i t h ‘ a b s e n c e ’ . . . that the question naturally arises,​-Why not always so render it?” =========================================================================== Consequently, this publication also confirms that Paul chose the term parousia to express the personal and visible presence of a person. The term "parousia" is therefore to be understood in strict demarcation from the personal absence of a person. In addition, the term "rapture of the church" is also used in this publication, although Jehovah's Witnesses avoid this term in their literature and in personal conversations, especially since they generally strive to negate the event of the "rapture." Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) Is the act of the rapture of the members of the body of Christ foretold in the New Testament and if so, when this event will take place? 2.) Has the event of arrival already taken place or is it still pending?

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

[@Elroi3310]

I hope you will one day realize that The Truth is a person and not a organization or a right set of doctrines. Knowing the truth is knowing the person of Jesus Christ , do you know him personally or do you just know stuff about him. I know I never realized that when I was a jw for 10 years . Watchtower never encouraged me a personal relationship with Jesus. Eternal life is knowing God the father AND Jesus Christ john 17.3

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@Elroi3310 TRUTH in the BIble is JESUS And GOD's Word, the BIble, is also called TRUTH in the BIble. Salvation we OWE FROM GOD AND THE LAMB, that's two persons and your religion REJECTED JEHOVAH OUR FATHER AS SALVATION, and rejecting JEHOVAH is the works of an ANTICHRIST

[@Elroi3310]

@@Mr.DC3.1914 John 5:39 “You are searching the Scriptures because you think that you will have everlasting life by means of them; and these are the very ones that bear witness about me. 40 And yet you do not want to come to me so that you may have life.

[@Mr.DC3..1941]

@@Mr.DC3.1914 Jesus is over ALL, Jesus CREATED EVERYTHING. Jesus is God. Jesus is NOT a GoD.

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@Elroi3310 apply that to yourself as you paganized Jesus

[@NickHawaii]

You don’t know the difference between presence (PAROSIA) and coming (ERCHOMAI)

[@misterauctor7353]

How?

[@StephenSinclair-d6n]

Not personally religious. But...interested. There has always been underlying and unresolved tensions within the protestant churches. Driven in large part by the often vague and amorphous idea....that the business true reformation is not over. Specifically the notion that what was once called "soul 😴sleep" - the idea that dead people are all basically unconscious until the general reserection on the last day, should become dogma. And the 'big one'. Namely that the dogma of The Trinity should be done away with. The first one was recognised as 'bad for business 😂' early on by the clerics. Its more difficult to control the laity if their not going to get a personal close encounter with the almighty when they pop off. And instead might have to snooze for thousands of years. It's the last one that's the huge problem 😮. Driven of course by the laitys 'general ignorance' and the fact that whether you like it or not it's inextricably linked to the old Roman church. Other reasons - big powerful sky father who doesn't get killed by his own creations etc etc...are basically the same as what drove your old Arrian barbarians. Sects like the l.d.s and j.w's are symptomatic of the problem. It's of course compounded by the old problem of "if we teach the dogma/theology the buggers will start tinkering with it themselves..." Interesting. 😊

[@bretherenlee1404]

Interesting you get to say things not in the bible but they don't. How does that work?

[@richbaker7187]

Wow DH! THis one really brought the trolls out from under those bridges. You got them riled up on this one. DC went into a cut-and-paste frenzy on this one, and even jimjuri, matt and tonga came out of their basements for this one. You must have struck a chord that got their cognitive dissonace all up in a tiff. Must be a really sore subject for them, being the bible can't substaniate a single jw doctrine concerning Christ's return.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

I did notice that 😂

[@tongakhan230]

A question please. How will the over 16 billion eyes literally SEE Jesus, a single individual? Any idea? Here is Jesus clearly stating that humans will never see him again. John 14:19 In a little while the world will SEE ME NO MORE,

[@richbaker7187]

@@tongakhan230 Yes, I have the answer. You cherry picked the ehll out of a single verse, out of context. Revelation 1:7 wipes your presupposition right away. Scritpure interprets scripture. So what Jessu was saying was that the world of that day would see HIm no more, AS HE IS. Revelation 1:7 says even those who pierced Him will see HIm, and ALL the trives of the earth will wail. That doesn't sound so good for the "tribes of the world". Phill 2 tells us that EVERY knee will bow, and then it takes any doubt away when Paul says it is of those in heaven, those on earth, and those UNDER The earth, and EVERY tongue will confess Jesus to be Lord. By the way, this scriptures quotes Isaiah 45:223 and applies it to Jesus, which again, makes Him God. There is much more I can bring up, but I know you are just a troll, so just go, nobddy really cares what you say.I'm sure you'll just come back with some obscure retort or you'll pull another useless, cherry picket scripture out of your JW briefcase. The Lord rebuke you Satan.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@tongakhan230 Internet. Global news. A cosmic event that is displayed. Don’t limit the unlimited God

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@tongakhan230 I encourage you to take the trouble to familiarize yourselves thoroughly with the Apostle Peter's message about the Parousia of Christ. Jesus explained to his disciples before his execution that after his resurrection he would appear only to them, but no longer to the world at that time. At the same time, Jesus foretold that one day he would unite all his followers with him. (John 14:2-3) In his famous end-time discourse, Jesus foresaw that after his ascension, false prophets would appear again and again, publicly spreading the message in his name that his parousia had already secretly run its course. (Luke 17:22-24, Matthew 24:23-27) Jesus has stigmatized the propagandists of this message as "false prophets. At the same time, Jesus emphasized that his parousia will manifest itself in a scenario that will be perceptible to all people on earth, as well as a tremendous natural spectacle that will not remain hidden from anyone. (Matthew 24:27, Luke 17:22) Significantly, in his second epistle, the Apostle Peter immortalized an identical message about the circumstances and characteristics of Christ's parousia. Questions to the Bible scholar ========================== 1.) According to verse 4 of the letter, when did the end times begin? Was the Apostle Peter's message intended for confreres who were already living on this earth at that time? Or should this message be kept under lock and key until the beginning of the 20th century? 2.) Furthermore, Peter emphasizes that with parousia the process of transience and mortality will cease. The scoffers, on the other hand, argue that even the parousia will not lead to an end to this process. Did the process of mortality stop in 1914? 3.) Peter compares the circumstances of the beginning of the parousia to the flood of Noah's day. Like Jesus in his discourse on the Last Days, Peter emphasizes that the parousia will bring about a fundamental turning point in human history, which will manifest itself in an upheaval of all the elements known to us. Did this turning point in human history, as described by the apostle Peter in his second letter, occur in 1914? 2. Peter 3,1-13 ( N W T Study Edition) 1 Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing you in which, as in my first one, I am stirring up your clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder, 2 that y o u s h o u ld r e m e m b e r the sayings previously spoken* by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles. 3 First of all know this, t h a t i n t h e l a s t d a y s r i d i c u l e r s w i l l c o m e w i t h t h e i r =========================== r i d i c u l e , p r o c e e d i n g a c c o r d i n g t o t h e i r o w n d e s i r e s 4 and saying: “ W h e r e i s t h i s p r o m i s e d p r e s e n c e (note: " P a r o u s i a ") o f h i s ? ===================================================================== W h y , f r o m t h e d a y o u r f o r e f a t h e r s f e l l a s l e e p i n d e a t h , =================================================================== a l l t h i n g s a r e c o n t i n u i n g e x a c t l y a s ============================================== t h e y w e r e f r o m c r e a t i o n ’ s b e g i n n i n g .” ============================================= 5 For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God;e 6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water. 7 But by the same word t h e h e a v e n s a n d t h e e a r t h =================================== t h a t n o w e x i s t ====================== a r e r e s e r v e d f o r f i r e ============================== and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people. 8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah* is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. 10 B u t J e h o v a h ’ s * (note : " K y r i o s") d a y w i l l c o m e a s a t h i e f =========================================================================== i n w h i c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l p a s s a w a y w i t h a r o a r , * =============================================================== b u t t h e e l e m e n t s b e i n g i n t e n s e l y h o t w i l l b e d i s s o l v e d , ====================================================================== a n d e a r t h a n d t h e w o r k s i n i t w i l l b e e x p o s e d . 11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 as you await and keep close in mind* t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "Parousia") o f t h e d a y o f J e h o v a h ,* (note ": K y r i o s " ) ============================================================================ t h r o u g h w h i c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l b e d e s t r o y e d i n f l a m e s ====================================================================== a n d t h e e l e m e n t s w i l l m e l t i n t h e i n t e n s e h e a t ! ================================================================ 13 But there are n e w h e a v e n s a n d a n e w e a r t h that we are awaiting according to his promise,q and in these righteousness is to dwell.r

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

PAROUSIA means PRESENCE and it is like the DAYS OF NOAH. notice DAYS -plural.

[@MR-gx3gc]

How can you presume to declare Jesus’ personal predictions irrelevant? Jesus Christ predicted that his parousia or return would manifest itself in a scenario that would be visually noticeable to all people on earth. This personal message of Jesus is formulated in a way that is generally understandable and therefore requires no further interpretation. How can you claim to recognize Jesus Christ as your Lord and Master if you deny him the ability to put his biblical predictions into action? Matthew 24,29-30 (N W T Study Edition) 29 Then t h e s i g n o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l a p p e a r i n h e a v e n , and a l l t h e t r i b e s o f t h e e a r t h w i l l b e a t t h e m s e l v e s in grief, ================================= a n d t h e y w i l l s e e t h e S o n o f m a n c o m i n g o n t h e c l o u d s o f h e a v e n ================================================== w i t h p o w e r a n d g r e a t g l o r y .* Later in his famous end-times speech, Jesus compared his return to the day when Noah entered the ark and the flood devastated the earth. An event that affected every person on earth equally, not just Noah and his family members. Significantly, Jesus used the terms “parousia” and “coming” interchangeably in his speech. Furthermore, Jesus emphasized that this event would occur unforeseen throughout human history. This statement implies that the mathematical calculation of this date is impossible and illegitimate even for the true followers of Christ. Matthew 24,38-42 ( N W T Study Edition) 38 For as they were in those d a y s b e f o r e t h e F l o o d , e a t i n g a n d d r i n k i n g , m e n m a r r y i n g a n d w o m e n b e i n g g i v e n i n m a r r i a g e, u n t i l t h e d a y t h a t N o a h e n t e r e d i n t o t h e a r k, ======================================================= 39 and they took no note u n t i l t h e F l o o d ca m e and swept them all away, ======================== s o t h e p r e s e n c e ("P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ==================================================================== 40 T h e n t w o m e n will be in the field; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 41 T w o w o m en will be grinding at the hand mill; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 42 Keep watch, therefore, because y o u d o n o t k n o w o n w h a t d a y y o u r L o r d i s c o m i n g . (" e r c h o m a i " ) ============================================================================= Question to the Bible scholar ======================== Jesus predicted that the day of his return would coincide with the event described at Matthew 24:41-42, in which a group of the people living on earth would be “taken along” . Therefore, you must be able to provide solid evidence as to how this specific prediction of Jesus was fulfilled in the year, 1914. Matthew 24,39-41 (N W T Study Edition s o t h e p r e s e n c e ("P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ==================================================================== 40 T h e n t w o m e n will be in the field; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 41 T w o w o m en will be grinding at the hand mill; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 42 Keep watch, therefore, because y o u d o n o t k n o w o n w h a t d a y y o u r L o r d i s c o m i n g . (" e r c h o m a i " ) =============================================================================

[@Elroi3310]

Matthew 24: 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until 👉🏻the day👈🏻 (singular) that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, 👉🏻so 👈🏻the presence of the Son of man will be.

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@Elroi3310 those days before the Flood,, DAYS, plural. And of course, there is THE DAY - singular, when Noah ENTERED Into the ark, that is ENTERING the ark. the point is there is the DAYS before the FLOOD, which corresponds to the PRESENCE and there is the DAY when they entered into the ark, and that corresponds to the DAY when Jesus comes to JUDGE during Armageddon

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@Mr.DC3.1914 to your untanable comment: t h o s e d a y s b e f o r e t h e F l o o d , , D A Y S , p l ur a l. And of course, there is THE DAY - singular, when Noah ENTERED Into the ark, that is ENTERING the ark. the point is there is the DAYS before the FLOOD, which corresponds to the PRESENCE and there is the DAY when they entered into the ark, and that corresponds to the DAY when Jesus comes to JUDGE during Armageddon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the time before the flood, people married, ate, drank, married, built and planted. Are these conditions only characteristic of the period after 1914 and not also of the time before? Later in his famous end-times speech, Jesus compared h i s r e t u r n t o t h e d a y when Noah entered the ark and the flood devastated the earth. An event that affected every person on earth equally, not just Noah and his family members. Significantly, Jesus used the terms “parousia” and “coming” interchangeably in his speech. Furthermore, Jesus emphasized that this event would occur unforeseen throughout human history. This statement implies that the mathematical calculation of this date is impossible and illegitimate even for the true followers of Christ. Matthew 24,38-42 ( N W T Study Edition) 38 For as they were in those d a y s b e f o r e t h e F l o o d , ====================================== e a t i n g a n d d r i n k i n g , m e n m a r r y i n g a n d w o m e n b e i n g g i v e n i n m a r r i a g e, ======================================================================================== u n t i l t h e d a y t h a t N o a h e n t e r e d i n t o t h e a r k, ======================================================= 39 and they took no note u n t i l t h e F l o o d ca m e and swept them all away, ======================== s o t h e p r e s e n c e ("P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ==================================================================== 40 T h e n t w o m e n will be in the field; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 41 T w o w o m en will be grinding at the hand mill; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 42 Keep watch, therefore, because y o u d o n o t k n o w o n w h a t d a y y o u r L o r d i s c o m i n g . (" e r c h o m a i " ) ============================================================================= Question to the Bible scholar ======================== Jesus predicted that the day of his return would coincide with the event described at Matthew 24:41-42, in which a group of the people living on earth would be “taken along” . Therefore, you must be able to provide solid evidence as to how this specific prediction of Jesus was fulfilled in the year, 1914. Matthew 24,39-41 (N W T Study Edition s o t h e p r e s e n c e ("P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ==================================================================== 40 T h e n t w o m e n will be in the field; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. ======================== 41 T w o w o m en will be grinding at the hand mill; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. ================== 42 Keep watch, therefore, because y o u d o n o t k n o w o n w h a t d a y y o u r L o r d i s c o m i n g . (" e r c h o m a i " ) =============================================================================

[@Elroi3310]

@@Mr.DC3.1914 so Jesus comes back at Armageddon and he did came back in 1914 , how many times did Jesus said he would come back ? Their is only 1 parousia , that’s the event after the great tribulation Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 👉🏻30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming👈🏻 on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

[@jimjuri6490]

If every eye, which means all humans on earth, will literally see Jesus, then logically Jesus has to be enormously fat to cover the earth. What about people whose time zone would show them sleeping? Who is going to wake them up to see Jesus? Obviously the whole world seeing Jesus would mean that his presence is affecting their lives. The signs Jesus gave, earthquakes, wars, food shortages, do affect people's lives. Matthew 24:39 shows people however, ignoring the sign and paying with their lives. The sign people ignore is the preaching of this Good News worldwide by JWs. Matthew 24:14. Jesus compares our time to Noah's time. Matthew 24:38. The only sign common then and now is the preaching and warning work. JWs are the fulfillment of Micah 4:1-5. God gathering his True worshipers for survival through the coming great war. Compare Psalms 37:9-11. It isn't any wonder that others would try to take them down. Failure to do so, will try and dissuade others from being saved by coming into contact with JWs. Matthew 23:13 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in.

[@jimjuri6490]

@@dirkfirkle73 : How was Jesus taken up? Let's read. Acts 1:9 After he had said these things, while they were looking on, he was lifted up and A CLOUD CAUGHT HIM FROM THEIR SIGHT. What happened? Jesus disappeared because of a cloud. How will Jesus come in the 'same manner'? (verse 11). Matthew 24:30 Then THE SIGN of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will SEE the Son of man COMING ON THE CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory. If Jesus is on a cloud how can anyone see him? What happens to a plane when it goes above a cloud? Coming on clouds denotes INVISIBILITY. Jesus' return is invisible and can be seen because of the SIGNS. Anyone literally coming can be seen. What sign would be necessary? When someone important arrives in town, but we are at home, we know that he has arrived because of the SIGNS. Sounds of firecrackers, shouting, horns blasting, etc. Jesus will never be literally seen again by humans (1 Timothy 6:16).

[@evanwindom]

I don't think preaching false doctrines counts, Jim.

[@ericbulman1752]

​@@jimjuri6490the Bible does not say his coming will be invisible it says it will be visible that every eye will see he coming . What you said is what the governing body says not God.

[@ericbulman1752]

The ones shutting up the kingdom in heaven is the governing body they are the ones who are saying only 144,000 go to heaven

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@jimjuri6490 to your comment: How was Jesus taken up? L e t ' s r e a d . Acts 1:9 After he had said these things, while they were looking on, he was lifted up and A CLOUD CAUGHT HIM FROM THEIR SIGHT. What happened? Jesus disappeared because of a cloud. How will Jesus come in the 'same manner'? (verse 11). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is forgivable if one is in a state of ignorance, but it is unforgivable if one negates objectively verifiable facts. In this sense, you are the one who is falsifying the prediction of Jesus' return that has been handed down to us in the Bible. Acts ,1,9-11 ( N W T Study Edition) 9 After he had said these things, w h i l e t h e y w e r e l o o k i n g o n, h e w a s l i f t e d u p and =========================================================== a c l o u d c a u g h t h i m u p f r o m t h e i r s i g h t. =================================================== 10 And as they were gazing into the sky while he was on his way, suddenly two men in white* garments stood beside them 11 and said: “Men of Galʹi·lee, why do you stand looking into the sky? T h i s J e s u s w h o w a s t a k e n u p f r o m y o u i n t o t h e s k y w i l l c o m e in t h e s a m e m a n n e r a s y o u h a v e s e e n h i m g o i n g i n t o t h e s k y . ” ======================================================= The angels explained to Jesus' disciples that they would see Jesus when he returned in the same way that they had just watched or witnessed the process of his ascension until after a while he disappeared behind a cloud. The biblical text therefore initially refers to the process of the ascension, which the apostles were able to observe visually, with Jesus disappearing behind a cloud some time later at some distance from their eyes. However, the angels testify that the event of his return will be visible just as the event of his ascension was visually perceptible to his disciples. Question to the Bible scholar ============================ What benefit do you expect from distorting elementary statements or predictions in the New Testament according to your personal preferences?

[@tongakhan230]

1 Corinthians 15:23 But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ DURING HIS PRESENCE. This is about the chosen who have laid asleep in death being resurrected to spirit life only after Jesus comes into power and his presence begins. Jesus' presence would logically span a period of time. The preaching of the good news worldwide as a WITNESS needs to be accomplished during Christ's presence. Matthew 24:14. God gathering his true worshipers also happens during Christ's presence. Micah 4:1-5.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

What do you mean by presence?

[@tongakhan230]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry : The term PRESENCE means someone has come and is present. The famous singer has come to town even though I am not able to see him. How do I know? By the signs. The sound of cheers, clapping and such. Jesus gave a composite sign to indicate his PRESENCE. What need is there for signs, if a person can be actually SEEN?

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@tongakhan230 You just mirrored what Christ warned about. “He’s here, but you just can’t see him” so the Bible says I shouldn’t believe that claim, so why should I believe you?

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@tongakhan230 The term parousia was used in ancient times to refer to the visit of a ruler or a king to his subjects. A visit generally begins with arrival and then extends over a definite or indefinite period of time. The starting point of the parousia is therefore the event of arrival. Your organization has recognized this fact itself as can be seen from the statements in the following publication. Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. II, presence, page 677, ============================================ Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 1, pp. 208, 209) states: “PAROUSIA . . . denotes b o t h a n a r r i v a l a n d a c o n s e q u e n t p r e s e nc e with. For instance, in a papyrus letter [written in Greek] a lady speaks of the necessity of her parousia in a place in order to attend to matters relating to her property there. . . . When used of the return of Christ, a t t h e R a p t u r e o f t h e C h u r c h , it signifies, n o t m e r e l y H i s m o m e n t a r y c om i n g for His saints, b u t H i s p r e s e n c e w i t h t h e m f r o m t h a t m o m e n t until His revelation and manifestation to the world.” Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon (revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, p. 1343) shows that pa·rou·siʹa is used at times in s e c u l a r G r e e k literature to refer to the “ v i s i t o f a r o y a l o r o f f i c i a l p e r s o n a g e .” Secular Greek writings are, of course, helpful in determining the sense of this Greek term. However, even more effective is the u s e g i v e n t h e w o r d i n t h e B i b l e i t s e l f . At Philippians 2:12, for example, P a u l s p e a k s of the Philippian Christians as obeying “not during my presence [pa·rou·siʹai] only, but now much more readily during my absence [a·pou·siʹai].” So, too, at 2 Corinthians 10:10, 11, after referring to those who said that “his letters are weighty and forceful, but his presence [pa·rou·siʹa] in person is weak and his speech contemptible,” Paul adds, “Let such a man take this into account, that what we are in our word by letters when absent [a·ponʹtes], such we shall also be in action when present [pa·ronʹtes].” (Compare also Php 1:24-27.) Thus, the c o n t r a s t i s b e t w e e n p r e s e n c e a n d a b s e n c e , not between an arrival (or coming) and departure. In view of this, J. B. Rotherham’s Emphasised Bible states in its appendix (p. 271): “In this edition the word parousia is uniformly rendered ‘presence’ (‘coming,’ as a representative of this word, being set aside). . . . T h e s e n s e o f ‘ p r e s e n c e ’ i s s o p l a i n l y [ s h o w n ] b y t h e c o n t r a s t w i t h ‘ a b s e n c e ’ . . . that the question naturally arises,​-Why not always so render it?” =========================================================================== Consequently, this publication also confirms that Paul chose the term parousia to express the personal and visible presence of a person. The term "parousia" is therefore to be understood in strict demarcation from the personal absence of a person. In addition, the term "rapture of the church" is also used in this publication, although Jehovah's Witnesses avoid this term in their literature and in personal conversations, especially since they generally strive to negate the event of the "rapture." Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) Is the act of the rapture of the members of the body of Christ foretold in the New Testament and if so, when this event will take place? 2.) Has the event of arrival already taken place or is it still pending?

[@tongakhan230]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Christ warned about people who would claim that Jesus would come literally. That is why he said, not to believe them. Please read what he said which I quoted. What happens IF Jesus does come literally? How would anyone know? Because Jesus said do not believe such a person who claims such. Presence means: a person or thing that exists or is present in a place but is NOT SEEN. plural noun: presences "the monks became aware of a strange presence"

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

YOU ARE confused between Jesus' coming and his presence. The time of separation as goats and sheep will be in the future still. Jesus' PRESENCE is different, and noted it like the DAYS of Noah, so it spans a period of time and not just ONE DAY. the PRESENCE of Jesus was not from the first century as it is close to the COMING of Jesus, just like the coming of the flood. Noah built the ark for a number of years and that is close and before the day of the flood

[@MR-gx3gc]

to your confusing comment YOU ARE confused between Jesus' coming and his presence. The time of separation as goats and sheep will be in the future still. Jesus' PRESENCE is different, and noted it like the DAYS of Noah, so it spans a period of time and not just ONE DAY. the PRESENCE of Jesus was not from the first century as it is close to the COMING of Jesus, just like the coming of the flood. Noah built the ark for a number of years and that is close and before the day of the flood ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, you are distorting the facts. It was not I, but Jesus who left the following prophecy to all his true followers. In this respect, your accusation of confusion is not directed against me, but against Jesus Christ himself. Jesus Christ himself, in his famous speech, mentioned the two terms "parousia" and "coming" in the same breath. In this context, Jesus emphasized that at the beginning of his parousia, or on the day of his return, the following prophecy will be fulfilled. This prediction corresponds to that of the apostle Paul in his first letter to the Thessalonians. (1 Thessalonians 4:14-18). Question to the Bible scholar ======================== Jesus predicted that the day of his return would coincide with the event described at Matthew 24:40-41, in which a group of the people living on earth would be “taken along” . Therefore, you must be able to provide solid evidence as to how this specific prediction of Jesus was fulfilled in the year, 1914. Matthew 24,38-42 ( N W T Study Edition) 38 For as they were in those d a y s b e f o r e t h e F l o o d , e a t i n g a n d d r i n k i n g , m e n m a r r y i n g a n d w o m e n b e i n g g i v e n i n m a r r i a g e, u n t i l t h e d a y t h a t N o a h e n t e r e d i n t o t h e a r k, ======================================================= 39 and they took no note u n t i l t h e F l o o d ca m e and swept them all away, ======================== s o t h e p r e s e n c e ("P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ==================================================================== 40 T h e n t w o m e n will be in the field; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. =================================================================== 41 T w o w o m en will be grinding at the hand mill; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 42 Keep watch, therefore, because y o u d o n o t k n o w o n w h a t d a y y o u r L o r d i s c o m i n g . (" e r c h o m a i " ) =============================================================================

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

@@MR-gx3gc the SEPARATION of the sheep and GOAT is during Jesus' COMING TO JUDGE, and that is still IN THE FUTURE. again you are MIXING THINGS UP, and you are so confused you have to LIE

[@MR-gx3gc]

@@Mr.DC3.1914 to your comment the SEPARATION of the sheep and GOAT is during Jesus' COMING TO JUDGE, and that is still IN THE FUTURE. again you are MIXING THINGS UP, and you are so confused you have to LIE ------------------------------------------------------- You are content to express your personal views, while I take the trouble to present to you the unequivocal statements of Jesus Christ on the basis of your own version of the Bible. What statement of Jesus confirms the theory you have presented? I would ask you to share with me the relevant scriptures.

[@Shawn-q3x]

When is the time of Jesus's return: It is when God the Father tells him (Mark 13:32). Jesus doesn't know the day of his own return but only God the Father knows all things. Jesus only knows what the Father has taught him (John 8:28). In 1 Corinthians 2:10, even the Holy Spirit must search for all things, yes-the deep things of God the Father. Only God knows His own mind, until he reveals it to Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and those who he draws to him (John 6:44). All who think Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father are the same will be cast into outer darkness. No one is God but the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6). All who belong to him are possessed with His power/spirit; those without him will say there are other ‘gods’ to their own demise.

[@OhioPIMO]

Is God the Father Lord?

[@mattmurdock2868]

You are much confused. The God found in scripture is a Godhead. The name of the Godhead is YHWH. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. These are YHWH, the Godhead. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son.

[@Shawn-q3x]

@@mattmurdock2868 The Holy Spirit comes from the Father. I don't know what you mean by "these are YHWH." Yahweh refers to the Father, who is the one true God in whom all things come forth from (1 Corinthians 8:6). The Holy Spirit is a spiritual being that is sent by the Father in Jesus' name. Even the Holy Spirit himself must search the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10); therefore it is _impossible_ for the Holy Spirit itself to be God, just like it is _impossible_ for the Son to be God as well. There is only one God, the Father; and one Lord Jesus Christ. I am not at all confused; I know the truth of his word.

[@mattmurdock2868]

@@Shawn-q3x YHWH is the name of the Godhead. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. Yes, sent by the Father. The God found in scripture is a Godhead. Father is YHWH. Son is YHWH. Spirit is YHWH.

[@Shawn-q3x]

@@mattmurdock2868 Speak clearly. Are you saying all three are God? If so, then you are in danger of hellfire.

[@damirsavka836]

Do not confuse adventist with Seventh day Adventists. We do NOT believe Jesus is a spirit

[@WakeingUp]

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

❤

[@Mr.DC3.1914]

PAROUSIA means PRESENCE and it is like the DAYS OF NOAH. notice DAYS -plural.

[@MR-gx3gc]

I urge you to take careful note of Jesus' concrete statements. Above all, Jesus also emphasized that his parousia would occur unforeseen, even for his true followers. Consequently, Jesus declared that the mathematical calculability of this event was impossible or inadmissible. So, since its inception, the Watchtower Society has blatantly violated this commandment of Jesus For this reason, none of the many predictions of your organization have come true. Matthew 24,38-42 ( N W T Study Edition) 38 For as they were in those d a y s b e f o r e t h e F l o o d , e a t i n g a n d d r i n k i n g , m e n m a r r y i n g a n d w o m e n b e i n g g i v e n i n m a r r i a g e, u n t i l t h e d a y t h a t N o a h e n t e r e d i n t o t h e a r k, ======================================================= 39 and they took no note u n t i l t h e F l o o d ca m e and swept them all away, ======================== s o t h e p r e s e n c e ("P a r o u s i a ") o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . ==================================================================== 40 T h e n t w o m e n will be in the field; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. =================================================================== 41 T w o w o m en will be grinding at the hand mill; o n e w i l l b e t a k e n a l o n g and the other abandoned. 42 Keep watch, therefore, because y o u d o n o t k n o w o n w h a t d a y y o u r L o r d i s c o m i n g . (" e r c h o m a i " ) =============================================================================

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WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?