Jehovah's Witness Doctrine of 1914 Disproved

[@41orchard]

Your work is very much appreciated mate. Your videos have been integral in helping me learn true Christianity from the lies.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Thanks! I really appreciate that. You are the reason I made this channel. If you want to talk, just let me know and shoot me an email.

[@djparsons7363]

The churches are loaded with lies, JW's ARE true Christians because we reject their false pagan doctrines and we fulfill Jesus' command to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom. (Matt. 24:14) No other religion is doing the work of preaching because without God's support it can't be accomplished!

[@Ponder985]

​@@djparsons7363Mormons are preaching though?

[@djparsons7363]

@@Ponder985 They aren't preaching about the Kingdom.

[@Ponder985]

@@djparsons7363 so as a jw you were allowed and you heard what they preached

[@spellbound111]

If Jesus returned in 1914 then JW's shouldn't continue with their yearly memorial.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Good point!

[@digitallifeline162]

1 Corinthians chapter 11 verse 26!!!

[@leejohnson6328]

Can You Trust The Watchtower 1914 Prediction? ( 59 seconds) kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXSlh5eKaraqoLM

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1???????

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1???????????????

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

❤Thanks there are only 2 groups of people Saved and people still Lost ❤ ❤people in Christ and others still in the kingdom of darkness ❤

[@jenaytucker8145]

Love it!❤ Your art work is perfect,from stick man Jesus ,to him with a ☁️over his head reigning in heaven ,to retorical🤔?? crossed out in red ,to the scriptures written out with key words underlined and circled in red;brilliant and easy to wrap my head around.💥🔥🙋🏾‍♀️👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@S.Her.]

Thanks for this helpful video. I'm currently discussing this topic with a JW friend.

[@papajohndavid]

Well done, it still amazes me tho, how even after all the false predictions and they still follow them. 🤔

[@richbaker7187]

Makes you shake your head, doesn't it?

[@evanwindom3265]

They'll explain it away as "we're just imperfect people" but are quick to point out that "at least we're fixing our mistakes, while you continue to live in yours." It's a clever little fallacy because it hinges on the assumption that their new light "fixes" their mistakes. How many times have they flip-flopped on whether those who died at Sodom will be resurrected? At their most recent annual meeting, Governing Body member David Splane talked about that, and openly admitted that they "just don't know". But wait --- I thought they heard from Jehovah - that they are Jehovah's one true channel of communication.... How can they say they don't know? The only way that's possible is if they acknowledge that it didn't come from Jehovah, right?

[@djparsons7363]

False pagan teachings are what people think is truth since the churches have taught nothing but lies for centuries! It's exactly as the Scriptures describe: (Romans 1:25) THEY EXCHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD FOR THE LIE and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen. Predictions are NOT doctrines, get that through your head.

[@evanwindom3265]

@@djparsons7363 What evidence do you have that this isn't written about YOU? " THEY EXCHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD FOR THE LIE and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the Creator, who is praised forever. " It's funny how the WT will look at one verse and say "See? That's talking about US!" and look at another and say "Oh, my! That's talking about YOU!" without ever proving the truth of either claim. So, predictions aren't doctrines. Are you admitting, then, that the WT made predictions that weren't true?

[@djparsons7363]

@@evanwindom3265 People in every religion have made predictions for centuries that never happened, that is nothing unusual. People are the same everywhere, impatient, hopeful, speculating on what might happen in the future. SO WHAT? That has no bearing on the correct interpretation of Scriptures that the churches are clueless about while they preach false doctrines of trinity, immortal soul, hell, the cross, and more. Everyone will be forced to admit the fact that JW's have been given the truth through God's Holy Spirit BECAUSE they were searching only for accurate knowledge. On the other hand, church goers have NEVER been told the truth, they have been taught false pagan doctrines that will NOT lead to salvation. It's up to each one of us to choose what to believe: choose wrong and......oh well.

[@welshboy]

Absolutley amazing reasoning and so simple ,God's Word is straightforward and simple , when an organisation and its so called spirit appointed men place themselves between an individual and our Creator and his Christ , then its time to sit in a dark room with a coffee and go back to basics

[@johnnebel-i1u]

Do the JW still teach that the generation born in 1914 can't completely die out until Jesus appears to start his 1000 year reign on earth? If they do, the clock is running out. How many people are 110 years old?

[@kellyblakeborough3371]

They have an overlapping generation now which has been extended out to 2050 to buy them time

[@johnnebel-i1u]

@@kellyblakeborough3371 Well, that's convenient. Thank you for the info.

[@softMediaWox]

I wish my JW friend could watch this video. Sadly the doctrine is just too strong over her. Prayer is my only hope now.

[@letsgosean]

Your videos are beautifully done. Great job.

[@kojoabiam7688]

Awesome and on point☝️

[@thomastaylor6699]

The last part of the video is the best. You do need to humble yourself, and to be baptized, for that now saves you.

[@S1ayerq926]

Whats the Bible you use?

[@MrPoohman1981]

Do a video about the 144000 and the other sheep and how they reject partaking. Are they right or wrong?

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Already did :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX_Id6evZ7uIhNE

[@djparsons7363]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry More lying propaganda.

[@lauraadam3230]

Excellent

[@marcussaint8247]

Sir Isaac Newton, 1642 - 1747, had this to say after his thorough study on Bible Prophey:- "About the time of the End, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition.” So he knew that there would be an End Times Restoration, a conclusion which he had arrived at, AFTER his diligent study of the Book of Daniel and the Book of the Revelation. The Question I now have is Which is the Restored Church today? There really are only a few candidates, ie. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES MORMONS METHODISTS EVANGELICALS BORN AGAIN REVIVSLISTS SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS CHRISTADELPHIANS DAWN BIBLE STUDENTS RUSSELITES etc. Perhaps these Movements make up the '10 Virgins' spoken of in Matthew Chapter 25? Most of them have had some opposition, but Jehovah' Witnesses have attracted the most opposition.

[@kevinfromcanada4379]

What does this have to do with the content of the video? Watch the video and then make your argument for why you think it is wrong.

[@TonyExumJr]

Love this

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1???????????

[@aaronwood8012]

In addition to 1914 being a false prophecy, in a long list of such, the idea of “invisible presence” is also a date that moved around. Nelson Barbour and russel has it at various points in the 1800s before watchtower decided to move it to 1914 as a consolation prize for the world not ending

[@anagabrielagzz7236]

as of today I just find out that jws are changing doctrine about 1914 saying that Jesus now will be in the throne during armaggedon ?

[@godtalk9645]

I remember a JW (who was supposedly part of the anointed class) told me to do research / homework on 1914. I did just that and left him speechless. Of course at the end he just referred me to the website lol

[@ramrod576]

The whole cult is founded on lies.

[@Digidab]

Interesting 1914 Stuff !

[@zoranzwalua405]

It was oktober 1914, when ww1 already started

[@Natalia143able]

NOT Psalm 101, but Psalm 110:1 “the Lord said unto my Lord, sit, thou at my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool. “

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Yep. Oh I know, and it haunts me everyday.

[@geraldsutton9981]

The prophecy of Jesus said that this generation would NOT perish until All the thing Jesus was prophesying about happened. So my question would be, "how long is a generation. To me that would mean how long CAN that generation last. Now let us go back before the flood and read in Genesis 6:3: After that Jehovah said: "My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his (Mans) days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years." Now if the generation that Jesus was speaking of started in 1914 then add 120 years you get 2034. Now we have to believe that Jehovah CAN keep one person (or more) from that generation alive for the 120 years. Moses was allowed to live 120 years, and his brother Aaron lived to be 123. Just a couple of months ago (present time), a woman died that was 119. Now do some thinking...... The great day of Jehovah is near.....(Zeph. 1:14) Got 11 years........enjoy them.

[@christiancrusader9374]

Nowadays a generation is 15--20 years.

[@ericbulman1752]

They didn't say people born in 1914 they said those living in 1914 and were of age old to understand they said around 15 years old so the generation is dead

[@geraldsutton9981]

@@christiancrusader9374 A generation is when the person is born and when it ends when the last person of that generation dies.....!!!! Man may go by what man thinks but actually it is Jehovah God that set the generation limit. (see Gen. 6:3)

[@adrianobrowne3110]

I advice you to look into the name Melchizedek who was king of salem which is Jerusalem, and was both king and priest who bless abraham in genesis 14:17-20. Hebrew 7 said Jesus has a similitude of melchizedek like also stated in psalms 110:4, if scripture from old testament prophesied Jesus coming in a similitude of melchizedek and Jesus was the prophesied king of jerusalem in old testament and melchizedek was king of Jerusalem as well and compared to christ and was stated again in hebrew 7 as a fulfillment, and if Jesus had similarity to melchizedek who was king and Jesus was prophesied as king as well, then he had to to be king already

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Yeah, well said. I agree, though the JW would respond “oh says he’s a priest not a king yada yada” but you’re right, Jesus is high priest and King

[@tongakhan230]

Hebrews 5:6 As he also says in another place, “You are a PRIEST forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.” 10 because he HAS BEEN designated by God a HIGH PRIEST in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek. Hebrews 6:20 where a forerunner has entered in our behalf, Jesus, who has BECOME A HIGH PRIEST in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek forever. Hebrews 7:17 For it is said in witness of him: “You are A PRIEST forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.” The King part was still in the future. (Psalm 110:1) Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand UNTIL I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” If we bother to actually read the Bible, we won't be led up the gum tree by charlatans.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@tongakhan230 Tonga there is no one who is above me but Jesus. You’re lead by a group famous for making false prediction and a founder who called the Great Pyramid of Giza the great Stone Bible.

[@tongakhan230]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry : JWs have had among them, a liar who denied his Lord not once but 3 times. A doubter. Others who fled leaving Jesus to face the music alone and various others. What is one's point? The scriptures have let one down badly that throwing mud is being resorted to?

[@mattmurdock2868]

@@tongakhan230 Peter was not a witness if "Jehovah." He was a witness of Christ.

[@MrZeuqsav]

How about 2nd,Peter, 3:1-9, were 1914/1919/1975, and so on are not parts of Jehovah's One day? How many ignorants of this fact, ?

[@patriciahines4660]

Amen!

[@emmanuelomage6092]

Psalm 83:16_18 Why I should trust the faithful and discreet slave , the GB amd Not you . Through out your video, you didn't refer to The Only True God by his personal name Jehovah _Joel 2:32 , John 17:26

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

You know, I’ve never called my Dad by his first name, yet I’m very aware of it, and tell others what it is, and we have a wonderful relationship. So it goes with God. Can you give me an example where this disciples called Jesus by his name?

[@emmanuelomage6092]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry it's more than that! The Bible tells us that there are many gods. So , which god is your dad? Supposed in a crowd of people you come asking for your dad, would you not call his name. From Psalm 83:26_18 and John 17:26 Jehovah God wants us to know him by his name

[@emmanuelomage6092]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry you wrote that you know your father's name and tell others about it. Is this the case with the churches today who have removed God's name from their translation of the bible and forbid it use in their worship _Joel 2:32

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@emmanuelomage6092 Couple things you said which I want you to think about. If I call Jehovah, Lord, Or Father, or Heavenly Father, or Yahweh, does the infinite all knowing God know I'm talking to him, or is he unaware unless I use the exact phonetic pronunciation. I hope you don't think that, as there's three problems, one, Jehovah isn't God's name, you and I both know that, it's a transliteration from 13th century Germany. Two, Other people like myself, use Jehovah, and sing it in Church, but we believe in a different God. The Mormons also believe in and use Jehovah, but there's is different from yours also. Thirdly, saying that God will only respond if you use is certain verbal pronunciation, that's rooted in paganism. To you accusation that Churches removed God's name....This was done by the Jews hundreds of years before Christ because the meaning of YHWH doesn't translate well into Greek. You need to study more history the WatchTower hasn't taught you. I have content on both these subjects you raised, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts. The JW "Jehovah" kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2KooXhmdrlgorM Name Jehovah kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6WufZmXf6yAaas

[@emmanuelomage6092]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Micah 4:5 , 2 Corinthians 11:14_15 If you check the KJV , in a few places like Psalm 83:16_18 you will find God's personal name Jehovah. The. Most important thing is to know and use it. To say that it was the Jews who remove Jehovah name from the scripture is wrong for Jesus Christ said in John 17:6 & 26 that he had made his father name know and will continue to make it know. There are many gods and saying lord , lord you could be praying to anyone of these false gods. There are other things besides knowing God name , but it is the most important.b

[@ExjwSmurfGirl]

❤❤❤

[@MikeColl-l6b]

Christ said beware of what you hear or take in.

[@djparsons7363]

Because the churches have been teaching lies since the second century.

[@bmblb5835]

Recommended: " 1914 - Satan's Lying Sign" video by Robert King Anointed JW but ex-wt.

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

607 is also wrong.

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

Ohh, its there, later in the video 🤩

[@djparsons7363]

Prove it.

[@misterauctor7353]

@@djparsons7363 We already have.

[@WJazzxx]

We are so sorry, but we do 'nt know how explain our 1914 mistake! maybe you could just forget it and forgive us... as human we are wrong sometimes.

[@johncolage1651]

The resurrection of Jesus Christ reveals that raising the dead does not mean the bringing back to life of the identical body. Jesus was not resurrected to human life but to spirit life. First Peter 3:18 tells us: "Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit." At his resurrection Jesus received a body, not of flesh and blood, but one suitable for heavenly life. ---1 Cor. 15:40, 44-50.

[@richbaker7187]

But you miss the point. There are different "bodies" mentioned in the scripture. Jesus rose in the same body , now glorified. Jesus Himself told his Apostles to handle Him, and see that he is flesh and BONE, NOT a SPIRT. (Luke 24:39 You have to take the whole of Scripture and stop making doctrines on cherry picked scriptures by the WT,. Resurrection is the "coming to life again". This by definition means the same "person" in a glorified body. JWs don't really believe Jesus was resurrected, they believe he "became" a spirit. You are using scriptures that contrast Adam with Christ, and how sin came thru the first, but life came thru the latter, in order to make doctrines that aren't there. Your argument is a problem for you because your trust is in 8 guys in New York. I trust the words of Jesus, and if Jesus said he was not spirit, then I believe him, not you. Also, Paul's first letter to Timothy in 2:5 says "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,". Paul said Jesus was STILL a MAN; A glorified, heavenly, spiritual man, But still a man. We who put our trust in Jesus will be just like HIM when we see Him in glory. (1 john 3:2) JWs don't really believe in a resurrection, you believe in a re-creation. If you stop existing, then in order for you to exist again, you have to be re-created, not resurrected. When we die, the body is separated from the spirit. Jesus' words make this clear in his story about Lazarus and the rich man. This was NOT a parable. How do we know? Because Jesus never used anybody by name in a parable. But even if it was, He STILL spoke of consciousness after the death of the BODY. I know, I know, all about Ecclesiastes. JWs default to this so dogmatically it's ridiculous. Solomon is talking about the futility of thinking this life is so important. He is not talking about the state of the dead. He is talking contextually about EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN. Furthermore, if you think there is nothing after death, then you also need to follow Solomon's other words in the very next part of the SAME verse. That means if you take Solomon literally, there is NOTHING ELSE....EVER. No reward any longer, and their memory is forgotten. So JWs are famous for cherry picking verses, and even parts of verses.

[@ericbulman1752]

Peter 3:18 says For Christ also suffered once for sins ,the just for the unjust ,that He might bring us to God,being put to death in the flesh and made alive by the spirit . This does not say Jesus was resurrected as a spirit and it does not prove that Jesus was not resurrected in the same body He was crucified in . At Luke 24:39 Jesus said Behold My hands and My feet that it is I Myself ,handle Me and see for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have . Here Jesus showed them His hands and feet with the holes from the nails and He told them that it was Him Himself and that He was not a spirit because spirits don't have flesh and bones as He had and as He had shown them and had them touch Him. Jesus had not yet gone up to heaven He was still on earth for 40 days before going up to heaven . .Jesus made it clear that He was not a spirit . Jesus also said destroy this temple and I Wii raise it up in three days . Jesus was talking about the temple of His body not some building . If Jesus was resurrected as a spirit and had told them it was I Myself handle Me and see that a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have then that would mean He was telling them a lie . Jesus never told a lie He always spoke the truth and Jesus is the truth .

[@richb.48]

@@ericbulman1752 Yet, the JW denies all this that is easily understood by reading our Bibles. They follow an organization, not the Bible, and they won't be able to see it until the scales are removed from their eyes.

[@ericbulman1752]

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins the just for the unjust that he might bring us to god.being put to death in flesh but made alive by the Spirit. It does not say Jesus was resurrected as a spirit . And it does not say once for all time. The watchtower has added the word time after the word all . Christ suffered once for all

[@ericbulman1752]

​@@richb.48I agree with you and it's sad that they ignore God's word written in the Bible and choose to believe the men of watchtower and the men of the governing body. They follow the word of men rather than the word of God. When they are shown what God's word says they reject it because it does not agree with what the watchtower and governing body says and teaches.

[@refr1983]

there's an easier way to disproving 1914 ●Judah was taken into captivity by Babylon on 586 bc.... look at 2 kings 25:8-9 All you have to do is count 19 years from nebuchadnezzar reign start of 605 bce according to historians so -19 years = to get to 586 bc

[@Easydoesit101]

Get out of Her my people…….

[@giuseppecappacappa2063]

Jehovah's Witnesses never said that the "end of the world" would occur in 1914. They understood forty years in advance that it was a year marked by biblical prophecies. Now, all historians agree, recognize that 1914 marked a turning point like never before in the entire history of mankind. therefore, on balance, I would say that the witnesses were right - and this, please note, forty years in advance. Does this seem like a small thing to you?

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

If I show you quotes from Russell stating that the world would end in 1914, would you accept it?

[@giuseppecappacappa2063]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry What the Bible students said was that in 1914 the times of the nations ended. If some single individual interpreted things his way, that's another matter.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@giuseppecappacappa2063 “Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God’s dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.” Zion’s Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226 the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that “battle” is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874.” Zion’s Watch Tower 1892 Jan 15 p.23 “The seventh trumpet sounds from Aug. 1840, until “the time of trouble,” or day of wrath is ended. Hence, it doubtless ends with the times of the Gentiles, and this forty years of conquest; and therefore, sounds until A. D. 1914; at the end of which, Babylon the great, will have fallen, and the “dragon” be bound: that is, the nations will be subdued, and “the prince of this world cast out.”” Three Worlds and The Harvest of This World (1877) p.143 “October, 1914, will witness the full end of Babylon, “as a great millstone cast into the sea,” utterly destroyed as a system.” Watch Tower 1911 Jun 15 p.190 it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that within the coming twenty-six years all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved. In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 1914. Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the “battle of the great day of God Almighty” (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God’s Word.” Studies In the Scriptures Series II - The Time Is At Hand (1889) pp.99, 101 Did any of this happen?

[@giuseppecappacappa2063]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Luke gospel, chapter 21: "he was near Jerusalem and they [the Apostels ] thought that the Kingdom of God was going to appear instantly". Jesus' apostles also had wrong expectations; does that mean they were false prophets?

[@giuseppecappacappa2063]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Jesus said this to his followers: Mark gospel, chapter 13: 36 "Keep on the watch, therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether late in the day or at midnight or before dawn or early in the morning, 36 in order that when he comes suddenly, he does not find you sleeping. 37 But what I say to you, I say to all: Keep on the watch.” Jehovah's Witnesses have always done this: being awake, vigilant. If you prefer to sleep deeply, feel free to do so. That 1914 was a fundamental, unique year, a year that changed the history of mankind like never before is a fact recognized by all historians in agreement.

[@thedellottocollector7478]

1914 doctrine is heresy

[@MikeColl-l6b]

Theres a lot of untruths in this video.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Please list them

[@MikeColl-l6b]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry I don't believe in your message. I believe you're misled. I'm too busy at the moment tearing apart Daniel 2.

[@mo2874]

Please explain using the bible when Jesus return would be then, and we can compare teachings.... Just like the Jews were anticipating the Messiah's arrival through Daniels prophecy of the 70 week of years, so too another prophecy by Daniel seems to identify the year of Jesus invisible return in Kingly power. Daniel 9:25 Amplified Bible So you are to know and understand that *from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One),* the Prince, *there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];* it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble. Luke 3:15 New International Version *15The people were waiting expectantly* and were all *wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Messiah.* It began when there was a break in the Judean line of Kings that sat on Gods throne (representatively). In other words God's Kingdom/rulership was not expressed fully. That seems to be when the Jews went into captivity, and there was no kingly representative of God. The nations around God's people would be allowed to have power over God's people for 2520 years. Jesus touched on this time period also Daniel 4:25,26 New Living Translation 25You will be driven from human society, and you will live in the fields with the wild animals. You will eat grass like a cow, and you will be drenched with the dew of heaven. *Seven periods of time will pass while you live this way, until you learn that the Most High rules over the kingdoms of the world and gives them to anyone he chooses.* 26But the stump and roots of the tree were left in the ground. *This means that you will receive your kingdom back again when you have learned that heaven rules.* Luke 21:24 Contemporary English Version Some of them will be killed by swords. Others will be carried off to foreign countries. *Jerusalem will be overrun by foreign nations until their time comes to an end.* Though a Babylonian king was involved physically, there seems to be a deeper meaning that relates to God's own Kingdom. The 7 time periods in Daniel is only worked out by comparing other Scriptures. Revelation 12:6,14 New Living Translation And the woman fled into the wilderness, *where God had prepared a place to care for her for 1,260 days.* 14 But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for *a time, times, and half a time.* 3 1/2 times seems to be the same as 1260 days. 7 times logically then is twice as much, 2520. The principle of the 70 weeks of years is applied, a year = 1 day. So from the start point 2520 years would pass. At the end of that time God would have a representative on his throne again (His Kingdom would appear). The calculation seems to point to 1914 around the time of the biggest war in human history till that point. The events around WW1 matches what Jesus said would be occurring when he returned. Matthew 24:3 New Living Translation Jesus Speaks about the Future 3Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, *“Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?a”* 6And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. *7Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.* There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. 8But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come. Revelation 12:7-10 New Living Translation *7Then there was war in heaven.* Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels. 8And the dragon lost the battle, and he and his angels were forced out of heaven. 9This great dragon-the ancient serpent called the devil, or *Satan, the one deceiving the whole world-was thrown down to the earth* with all his angels. 10Then I heard a loud voice shouting across the heavens, *“It has come at last* - salvation and power and *the Kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ.* aFor the accuser of our brothers and sistersb has been thrown down to earth- the one who accuses them before our God day and night. So all out war starts in heaven where Jesus was now installed as King in God's kingdom. The devil is thrown out of heaven to the earth where he is the ruler. Luke 4:6 New Living Translation *“I will give you the glory of these kingdoms and authority over them,”* the devil said, *“because they are mine to give* to anyone I please. Jesus said there would be unusual wars on earth when he returns in Kingly power. The 1st World war started on earth in 1914 - it is not hard to see why this has been identified as the time of Jesus return. The kingdom was going to come at some point. Jehovah's Witnesses identified Jesus return as God's representative King in 1914 (rightly or wrongly). One thing is certain though, they have solid scriptural reasons to back up that belief. Matthew 6:10 New Living Translation *May your Kingdom come soon.* May your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

In Rev 12:6 does it say 2520 years or 1260 days? Also you realize trust a few verses before that’s talking about Jesus, so after Jesus then comes the 1260 days, which is 42 months, which is exactly historical confirmed how long Nero persecuted the early church more than any other tyrant up to the point of John’s writing. You also need to answer the question, how could Jesus be king on 1914 when, 1 Cor 15:25, Hebrews 10:12-13 and Matthew 28:18 all say it was first century.

[@mo2874]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry I asked my question first...explain Scripturally when Jesus return will be... then we can discuss the differences. If you can't state clearly when Jesus return will be/was then perhaps it would be good not to dispute the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. Focus on being positive. If you truly believe someone is wrong that's fair enough. BUT replace the wrong teaching with the right one and build them up. 1 Corinthians 8:1Amplified Bible 1.... *Knowledge [alone] makes [people self-righteously] arrogant, but love [that unselfishly seeks the best for others] builds up and encourages others to grow [in wisdom].*

[@mo2874]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry I will briefly address 1 aspect of what you said....when Jesus became/started ruling as King in furtherance of the Judean Royal line. Do you notice that while on earth Jesus refused to be installed as King? John 6:18 New Living Translation *When Jesus saw that they were ready to force him to be their king, he slipped away into the hills by himself.* John 18:36 New Living Translation *Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom.* If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. *But my Kingdom is not of this world.”* Why did Jesus not rule when on earth? 2 Reasons... (1) Jesus would become King at God's designated time. Psalms 110:1 New Living Translation The LORD said to my Lord, *“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies, making them a footstool under your feet.”* Matthew 22:44 New Living Translation 42“What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?” They replied, “He is the son of David.” 43Jesus responded, “Then why does David, speaking under the inspiration of the Spirit, call the Messiah ‘my Lord’? For David said *44‘The Lord said to my Lord,* Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies beneath your feet.’g *45Since David called the Messiah ‘my Lord,’ how can the Messiah be his son?”* Luke 19:11,12 New International Version 11While they were listening to this, *he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.* 12He said: *“A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return.* Matthew 17:1-3 New International Version The Transfiguration 1After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Mark 9:1-3 New International Version 1And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death *before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”* The Transfiguration 2After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. *There he was transfigured before them.* 3His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. (2) There was already a ruler of the earth John 16:11 New Living Translation 11Judgment will come *because the ruler of this world has already been judged.* Matthew 4:8,9 New Living Translation *8Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world* and their glory. *9“I will give it all to you,” he said, “if you will kneel down and worship me.”* So Jesus knew the devil was the ruler of the world. However, he foresaw a coming change Luke 10:18 New International Version 18He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. There was going to be a clash between God's Kingdom in Jesus hands and the Devils Kingdom. Jesus had to wait though till the time God said he could take over rulership of the earth. That clash is what Revelation speaks of and was reflected on the earth. The war was for World domination/rule. Doesn't that sound a lot like WORLD War 1??? Revelation 21:7 -9 New Living Translation *7Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels. 8And the dragon lost the battle, and he and his angels were forced out of heaven.* 9This great dragon-the ancient serpent called *the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world-was thrown down to the earth with all his angels.* 10Then I heard a loud voice shouting across the heavens, *“It has come at last-salvation and power and the Kingdom of our God,* and the authority of his Christ.a For the accuser of our brothers and sistersb has been thrown down to earth- the one who accuses them before our God day and night. Matthew 24:3,7 New Living Translation 3Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? *What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?a” 7 Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.* There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. None of this happened in the 1st Century. Jesus had to wait until God said it was time to become King and take action in heaven and later follow it up with action on earth. Matthew 6:10 New Living Translation May your Kingdom come soon. *May your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.* Heaven had to have the corrupting influence of the Devil removed. Then the kingdom turned its attention to the earth. Soon both with have the Devils influence removed once and for all.

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@@mo2874 The right teaching is what the Bible says, not the interpretation of men. The Bible does not say when Christ will return, only the promise that he will. The Bible does say that when he returns, all eyes will see Christ, (Revelation 1:7,Matthew 24:27)and that he will return the same way he left. (Acts 1:11)Both of those, as a JW you reject, as Christ couldn't be seen with an eye, and didn't return in the same way he left. The Watch Tower is trying to make the Bible say something it isn't, while ignoring scripture that contradicts their position. The Bible does tell us when he began to rule, without any shadow of a doubt, and it's not 1914. The only way to get to 1914, is to create rules of interpretation, and change words in Revelation, all while ignoring verses like 1 Cor 15:25, Heb 10:12-13, and Matt 28:18. So how to you reconcile those verses that contradict your position?

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@@mo2874 ( Do you notice that while on earth Jesus refused to be installed as King?) >You put words in Jesus,'s mouth that he never said he wouldn't be king while on earth. This is talking about before his death, and all you did was quote verses before his resurrection, nothing after. Read Col, 2:15, Phil 2:5-10, Heb 2:5-9, Rev 1:5. When he rose, God bestowed the honor and he fulfilled his role as King. I mean this with all the love I have, you really need to read the Bible on your own without the Watch Tower telling you what it says. It's Holy Spirit's job to let scripture speak to us.

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So ,,,, where then is the real Food ???? Do you dispend it ???? Hmmmm .... don't you think that you are ridiculous

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

The Word of God is the real truth and food, and it’s the Holy Spirit who dispenses it. Unless you think magazine publishers from Brooklyn are better suited for the job than God’s own spirit…