Jehovah's Witnesses and Corporal Punishment

[@BobDowns]

I was one of the little boys being dragged to the back of the Hall to receive a beating back in the early 70s. My mother did that often. She also did it to me in response to my - almost daily - admission to getting into trouble with the teacher for talking in class that day. I got fed up with the beatings and called out in desperation for help from the magic dude in the sky to help me avoid yet another spanking. I still remember many of the adults in the congregation laughing at my cry for help. And, I remember one elder in particular revelling in telling and retelling the story throughout my childhood and teenage years. When I had my own little boy, at first, I spanked him too. But, after only a few spankings I realized they were cruel, as useless with him as they were with me, and frankly unneeded.

[@jwsuicides8095]

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[@iamblessed3539]

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[@caractacuspott4581]

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[@Sfourtytwo]

My father, a former JW elder, beat me as a child, quite severely. Any attempts to talk to him about this where blocked by him. I have stopped talking to him for 15 years now while he still wonders what he could have done wrong to deserve this. sometimes shunning is the right answer.

[@exjwsilentnomore]

Thank you for making this video. As a survivor of extreme child abuse labelled as "corporal punishment" and "loving discipline", this video firmly entrenched in me the need to call it out for what it is and was. Thanks so much!

[@apostababelindajames7461]

@Paul Grundy, thank you so much for putting this together. As I sit here, I mourn over the fact that I have been improperly trained to expect as well as except abuse. This video it's helping me in my attempt of understanding why I struggle with such a tremendous amount of *"learned helplessness."* I was 25 and pregnant with my 2nt child before I ever hit my mother back. I had wished it didn't have to go down like that, but it did. All 3 of my (now adult) kids can tell you that they have never received the abuse that your video shows is clearly promoted by the org. I never wanted to break their spirits as mine was, so I had to turn that around when I became a parent. Don't get me wrong, I've made mistakes and have chosen to be accountable to them and requested their forgiveness. I believe that was helpful when I was holding them accountable for their actions as well.

[@michellem2042]

ApostatBabe Linda James I never thought of it that way, but yes as a child I did in fact expect to get hit either at the KH or when we got home after the meeting, for talking to my siblings during meetings & not being able to sit still for 2 HOURS!! They were programming us from infancy!!

[@apostababelindajames7461]

@@michellem2042 Yes they were. And our parents too. The org taught our parents to be like a child of the org. When they speak of the org as "the bride" & "the mother," this is putting them in a child like position of obeying the (spiritual) parental direction coming from Jehovah's chain of command ({supposedly}) though Jesus, then the governing body, (notice the holy spirit is nowhere to be found in the hierarchy of the Watchtower.) So in order to be a good Christian parent, one must obey the parent org witch has told them that one must not spare the rod on their children. (So beating them is what is meant by "it") ➡️ It will save their lives.

[@falkonerr]

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[@apostababelindajames7461]

@@falkonerr Thank you.

[@falkonerr]

@@apostababelindajames7461 lOL WHY?

[@yall2743]

I was one of those children. Punished for being a normal creative child who can not sit still in 2 h meetings. It was humiliating and broke my trust in my parents and in more made me feel as if I had absolutely no rights to my own body.

[@karenmoody2763]

Exactly how are young children understand that crap they spew I didn't and the older I got the more I tuned it out ,my book was full of doddles.

[@yall2743]

@@karenmoody2763 exactly! And I learned to tune out uninteresting speaches the same way as an adult... I just turn it off and space out into another world

[@roidroid]

It is interesting isn't it, that they don't insist on a literal interpretation of hitting children with a literal rod (well... anymore, it seems they used to). That's what the Bible says to do, but "oh nonono that's just a metaphor, it means [whatever we say it means]". Yet they insist that the 2 witness rule is literal & must be followed to the letter, likewise with blood, shunning, it goes on (& others like birthday rules are based on nothing). Why can't they just arbitrarily decide that THOSE things are metaphors - like they did with the rod? They pick and choose scripture, _that_ bit is a metaphor, but _that_ bit is literal. Sigh.

[@NashonOsborne]

Thank you Paul for another well made video. I appreciate the references used and the clear and concise way you break down watchtower doctrine compared to their rhetoric/culture & reality. Keep up the great work I look forward to the next one.

[@dunewyrm3071]

Yep. my mom used to take me to the "back" to spank me just for almost falling asleep at the boring talks.

[@miguelsandoval4410]

Me too

[@yall2743]

My mom nodded to my dad to take me out back. My crime? Enertaing myself and pretending my fingers were characters talking to each other.

[@mind_control_really_sucks_]

Sitting in conventions for so many hours on weekends as a little kid and I was expected just to sit still. My worst fear was falling asleep cus that meant getting walked out to the halls or bathrooms to be hit and than i was just supposed to come back smiling. Oh yeah and seeing other kids going through it too and not one elder in charge stepping up to put a stop to it 😤

[@yogi19581]

Thank you Paul, great work.

[@jokich6379]

Always appreciate your videos. Filled with information. Wish you could do more.

[@sofiamorgan6644]

Our congregation elder always use to say this from the platform. " make sure your child understands that it will always be more uncomfortable for him in the back room then in the seats at the kingdom hall" I kept a wooden spoon in my meeting bag. I pray for Gods forgiveness as well as my childrens forgiveness.

[@karenmoody2763]

Sick a$$ es

[@Esther-1914]

@Paul Thanks for this important video! Spanking or beating a child produces a terrified child. How sad that Watchtower doesn't seem to understand that. Unless they DO understand and WANT the children terrorized. Also, I must say that Geoffrey Jackson acts like an unfeeling robot. He gives me the creeps :/

[@falkonerr]

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[@excelsiorexcelsior1591]

Hello Paul, Thank you, sir. The WTBTS do not want to admit that physical abuse of children was widespread and accepted. I was unable to get an answer when I telephoned Bethel in London and asked them what their policy on the physical chastisement of children was. I was told to look at the website! I remember several children in my former congregation suffering appalling abuse. The adults just let it happen. Don't spare the rod. Peace be with you, Rick

[@mikespilligan1490]

One of our min servants took his kid out of the hall was hitting him so persistently and hard a bricklayer working down the road saw it, he came over and punched him, saying let's see how you like it.

[@karenmoody2763]

Lol good

[@nicolasdantes]

Thanx Paul. Nice research and video.

[@abibaker73]

Thank you so much for the video Paul. The Governing Bodys flip flopping and changing standards need to been exposed. So interesting that they feel able to be slightly progressive in this area, but continue to hold fast to rules that allow Child Sex Abuse to continue within the congregations.

[@byronofcalgary6985]

some bright spark pointed out that GB Jackson was not facing prison or any other punishment... and still lied - actually the lie may have gotten him punishment for deceiving the ARC - now compare to JWs in Korea who must speak the Truth regardless of punishment - not really a "Leader" is he ?

[@amc7568]

There's no excuse for abuse!

[@costabrava7016]

Quiero agradecerte todo el trabajo qué haces en ayudarnos a todos a salir de esta religión .Toda la información es muy valiosa , importantisima ,fue decisiva para mí . Millones de gracias

[@avakroman2079]

My mother would get so upset ,when attending meetings,when parents would spank their children in the back room! She hated that,and of course I never was spanked, at all,no physical abuse.It does`nt serve a purpose.I have`nt been to a meeting in years,so I don`t get to see what`s going on,They should use discipline ,that shows love,patience and tenderness.That`s much more beneficial.Thanks for your information,as always.(I have never gotten baptised,was born into it,and am now a 65 yr.old woman)

[@exjwwokeup1617]

We had a sister in the West Fork Arkansas Kingdom Hall who was nick named “ the mean witch 🧙‍♀️ with the switch”… because she carried a switch with her everywhere to hit any disobeying child that was not even her child!

[@leopoldtheseconed8526]

Hey not sure is this is the place but I am not sure where or how else to vent. If you read the JW daily text for Jan 14/2019 it sure explains the DF situation and how they are to be treated. Kind of directly opposite to the testimony given by Jackson and other high up JW s.

[@apostababelindajames7461]

Really? Jan 14, 2019 Daily text. I'm going to check this out later today. Thanks Leopold Theseconed.

[@marekmajewskiuk7165]

Thank you for this video.

[@heinimikkelsen7386]

Was normal in the meetings that I participated in that parents took a child if not sitting still and quiet, out to the restroom and "smack" them. Personally, I have never been physically punished by my mother.

[@leopoldtheseconed8526]

Great job Paul. Watching your work with interest. Thanks again for your hard work.

[@miguelsandoval4410]

Yes they do, i was beaten all my infance at the kingdom hall, backroom, leather belts, i suffered a lot. :(

[@yall2743]

So was I.. I always wondered if I was the only one. Good to know I'm not alone. Sad to know that they encouraged our parents to do it.

[@miguelsandoval4410]

@@yall2743 yes they at least once a year they told the experience of a young one being dragged to the back and the kid scream "help me jehovaaa!" So the kid had faith.... And everyboy laugh.

[@exjwwokeup1617]

16:30 The artist James Yale painted a picture of Dr. Benjamin Spock and my mother Janell Gossage (also an artist). My mother was pregnant with my brother back in 1978 and the picture portrays the old(Dr. Spock, the young (my mom), and the unborn ( my brother) being destroyed at Armageddon!

[@exjwwokeup1617]

None of these are Jehovah’s Witnesses

[@exjwwokeup1617]

I deeply appreciate your work.

[@TRINIDADGUYANAMEMORIES]

Good going

[@feb196940]

This makes feel so sick from the inside i gotten corporate punishment as a child I get now sometimes we need ass whoopin only if is going to better myself that type punishment from the cult was torture

[@constpegasus]

I would like to see a video on the 587-607 date.

[@perceive8159]

Are you planning any new topics?

[@mahatenn7099]

In there blood too lies

[@resilientesresiliencia5442]

Spanish please. Subtitles please. Bless god You.

[@falkonerr]

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/10/united-nations-is-coming-for-your-religion/ The profecy are taking place